Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear friends, There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. Best wishes, Thor John McCain Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST Cocosola, Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise: 6:14 AM Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Moon Good Placement, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * * * * * * SU 13:08* *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR * * * * * RA * * * * * * * * * * *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *5 * 11 MO * ** * * ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 * 10 JU * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * VE * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * * ** 7 * * 9 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Me 14.8.1936 Su/Ke 20.6.1937 Su/Ve 26.10.1937 Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 Mo/Me 26.8.1944 Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 Mo/Su 26.4.1948 Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 Ma/Me 26.4.1952 Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 Ma/Su 20.11.1954 Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 Ra/Me 8.10.1963 Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 Ra/Su 15.5.1970 Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 Ju/Me 27.6.1978 Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 Ju/Su 9.5.1984 Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 Sa/Me 29.10.1992 Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 Sa/Su 18.10.1999 Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 Me/Me 26.10.2008 Me/Ke 25.3.2011 Me/Ve 21.3.2012 Me/Su 20.1.2015 Me/Mo 26.11.2015 Me/Ma 27.4.2017 Me/Ra 24.4.2018 Me/Ju 10.11.2020 Me/Sa 16.2.2023 Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 Ke/Su 25.5.2027 Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 Ke/Me 30.10.2031 Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 Ve/Su 26.2.2036 Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 Ve/Me 26.10.2048 Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Dear and list members, A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old. The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election. It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM New birth information for John McCain Dear friends, There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. Best wishes, Thor John McCain Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Moon Good Placement, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * * * * * * SU 13:08* *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR * * * * * RA * * * * * * * * * * *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *5 * 11 MO * ** * * ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 * 10 JU * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * VE * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * * ** 7 * * 9 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Me 14.8.1936 Su/Ke 20.6.1937 Su/Ve 26.10.1937 Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 Mo/Me 26.8.1944 Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 Mo/Su 26.4.1948 Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 Ma/Me 26.4.1952 Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 Ma/Su 20.11.1954 Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 Ra/Me 8.10.1963 Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 Ra/Su 15.5.1970 Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 Ju/Me 27.6.1978 Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 Ju/Su 9.5.1984 Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 Sa/Me 29.10.1992 Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 Sa/Su 18.10.1999 Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 Me/Me 26.10.2008 Me/Ke 25.3.2011 Me/Ve 21.3.2012 Me/Su 20.1.2015 Me/Mo 26.11.2015 Me/Ma 27.4.2017 Me/Ra 24.4.2018 Me/Ju 10.11.2020 Me/Sa 16.2.2023 Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 Ke/Su 25.5.2027 Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 Ke/Me 30.10.2031 Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 Ve/Su 26.2.2036 Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 Ve/Me 26.10.2048 Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, This chart looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President. Best wishes. www.YourNetAstrologer.comwww.JyotishRemedies121.comA-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)Mobile phone: 9811016333 - Cosmologer SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM Re: New birth information for John McCain Dear and list members, A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old. The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election. It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >samva Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM New birth information for John McCain Dear friends, There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. Best wishes, Thor John McCain Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Moon Good Placement, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * * * * * * SU 13:08* *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR * * * * * RA * * * * * * * * * * *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *5 * 11 MO * ** * * ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 * 10 JU * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * VE * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * * ** 7 * * 9 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Me 14.8.1936 Su/Ke 20.6.1937 Su/Ve 26.10.1937 Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 Mo/Me 26.8.1944 Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 Mo/Su 26.4.1948 Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 Ma/Me 26.4.1952 Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 Ma/Su 20.11.1954 Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 Ra/Me 8.10.1963 Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 Ra/Su 15.5.1970 Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 Ju/Me 27.6.1978 Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 Ju/Su 9.5.1984 Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 Sa/Me 29.10.1992 Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 Sa/Su 18.10.1999 Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 Me/Me 26.10.2008 Me/Ke 25.3.2011 Me/Ve 21.3.2012 Me/Su 20.1.2015 Me/Mo 26.11.2015 Me/Ma 27.4.2017 Me/Ra 24.4.2018 Me/Ju 10.11.2020 Me/Sa 16.2.2023 Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 Ke/Su 25.5.2027 Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 Ke/Me 30.10.2031 Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 Ve/Su 26.2.2036 Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 Ve/Me 26.10.2048 Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the possibility of his becoming next US President. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM Re: New birth information for John McCain Dear and list members, A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old. The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election. It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >samva Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM New birth information for John McCain Dear friends, There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. Best wishes, Thor John McCain Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Moon Good Placement, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * * * * * * SU 13:08* *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR * * * * * RA * * * * * * * * * * *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *5 * 11 MO * ** * * ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 * 10 JU * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * VE * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * * ** 7 * * 9 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Me 14.8.1936 Su/Ke 20.6.1937 Su/Ve 26.10.1937 Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 Mo/Me 26.8.1944 Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 Mo/Su 26.4.1948 Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 Ma/Me 26.4.1952 Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 Ma/Su 20.11.1954 Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 Ra/Me 8.10.1963 Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 Ra/Su 15.5.1970 Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 Ju/Me 27.6.1978 Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 Ju/Su 9.5.1984 Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 Sa/Me 29.10.1992 Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 Sa/Su 18.10.1999 Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 Me/Me 26.10.2008 Me/Ke 25.3.2011 Me/Ve 21.3.2012 Me/Su 20.1.2015 Me/Mo 26.11.2015 Me/Ma 27.4.2017 Me/Ra 24.4.2018 Me/Ju 10.11.2020 Me/Sa 16.2.2023 Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 Ke/Su 25.5.2027 Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 Ke/Me 30.10.2031 Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 Ve/Su 26.2.2036 Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 Ve/Me 26.10.2048 Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 My dear , Thank you very much for the assessment. With the belated arrival of likely correct birthtimes for both of the leading candidates, the evaluation and prediction exercise has been turned on its head. The upside is that we now have a clearer view of who may win in the fall. Certainly, the Libra rising chart for McCain looks very strong overall and the Capricorn rising chart for Obama looks quite weak overall - assuming they are finally the correct charts. Also, it adds to the plausibility of these charts that both candidates are expecred to endure significant strains this summer due to the nodal station. Do you think there is a chance health will become a significant issue for McCain given the transits in the Fall of 2008. In particular, his 1st lord Venus will be debilitated in the 12th house in late August and early September, where it will be conjunct his natal and transit 12th lord Mercury, while transit Rahu will afflict his 12th house while transit Ketu afflicts his natal 6th house. Following this, the Mercury-Mercury period begins in late October 2008. While Mercury is strong in the Rasi chart, I just noticed it is debilitated in the Navamsa chart which reduces its strength in the Rasi. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: Hello my dear Thor, The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the possibility of his becoming next US President. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India). Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124) Mobile phone: 9811016333 > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > Dear and list members, > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old. > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election. > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > samva > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM > New birth information for John McCain > > > Dear friends, > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday). > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ web_video.html > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > John McCain > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > ================================================ > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap > > Sytems Approach Analysis > ======================== > Sun Good Placement, > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > Ketu Good Placement, > > Rashi Chart > ******************************************************* > ** 8 * * 6 ** > *9 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > * * * * * SU 13:08* > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > ** * * ** > *11* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 12 * * 2 ** > ******************************************************* > > Navamsha > ******************************************************* > ** 3 * * 1 ** > *4 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * SAR * * * * > * RA * * * * > * * * * * * > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *5 * 11 MO * > ** * * ** > *6 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * 8 * 10 JU * > * * * * * * > * * * MA * * > * * * * VE * * > * * * * KE * * > * * * * * * > ** 7 * * 9 ** > ******************************************************* > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > ======================== > Su/Me 14.8.1936 > Su/Ke 20.6.1937 > Su/Ve 26.10.1937 > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 > Mo/Me 26.8.1944 > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 > Mo/Su 26.4.1948 > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 > Ma/Me 26.4.1952 > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 > Ma/Su 20.11.1954 > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 > Ra/Me 8.10.1963 > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 > Ra/Su 15.5.1970 > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 > Ju/Me 27.6.1978 > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 > Ju/Su 9.5.1984 > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 > Sa/Me 29.10.1992 > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 > Sa/Su 18.10.1999 > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 > Me/Me 26.10.2008 > Me/Ke 25.3.2011 > Me/Ve 21.3.2012 > Me/Su 20.1.2015 > Me/Mo 26.11.2015 > Me/Ma 27.4.2017 > Me/Ra 24.4.2018 > Me/Ju 10.11.2020 > Me/Sa 16.2.2023 > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 > Ke/Su 25.5.2027 > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 > Ke/Me 30.10.2031 > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 > Ve/Su 26.2.2036 > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 > Ve/Me 26.10.2048 > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ web_video.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 In this chart, Mars is debilitated but in 10th house. Jupiter as 3L is debilitated in D9 thus reducing its strength. If 3rd house is for effort and success, can his Jupiter still give success? I think it will be a good learning for all, if professor can do a quick reading on McCain's chart. One good thing that I can see in this chart is that both Sun and Moon are strong. They may give him highest position. Is that correct? Best, DB SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the possibility of his becoming next US President. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old. > > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election. > > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > samva > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM > New birth information for John McCain > > > Dear friends, > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday). > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ web_video.html > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > John McCain > > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST > > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > ================================================ > > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju > > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke > > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su > > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me > > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su > > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me > > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su > > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju > > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke > > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats > > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM > > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi > > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su > > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > ======================== > > Sun Good Placement, > > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > Rashi Chart > > ******************************************************* > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > *9 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > ** * * ** > > *11* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Navamsha > > ******************************************************* > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > *4 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * SAR * * * * > > * RA * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *5 * 11 MO * > > ** * * ** > > *6 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > * * * * * * > > * * * MA * * > > * * * * VE * * > > * * * * KE * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > ======================== > > Su/Me 14.8.1936 > > Su/Ke 20.6.1937 > > Su/Ve 26.10.1937 > > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 > > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 > > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 > > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 > > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 > > Mo/Me 26.8.1944 > > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 > > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 > > Mo/Su 26.4.1948 > > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 > > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 > > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 > > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 > > Ma/Me 26.4.1952 > > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 > > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 > > Ma/Su 20.11.1954 > > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 > > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 > > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 > > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 > > Ra/Me 8.10.1963 > > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 > > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 > > Ra/Su 15.5.1970 > > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 > > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 > > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 > > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 > > Ju/Me 27.6.1978 > > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 > > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 > > Ju/Su 9.5.1984 > > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 > > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 > > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 > > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 > > Sa/Me 29.10.1992 > > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 > > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 > > Sa/Su 18.10.1999 > > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 > > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 > > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 > > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 > > Me/Me 26.10.2008 > > Me/Ke 25.3.2011 > > Me/Ve 21.3.2012 > > Me/Su 20.1.2015 > > Me/Mo 26.11.2015 > > Me/Ma 27.4.2017 > > Me/Ra 24.4.2018 > > Me/Ju 10.11.2020 > > Me/Sa 16.2.2023 > > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 > > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 > > Ke/Su 25.5.2027 > > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 > > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 > > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 > > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 > > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 > > Ke/Me 30.10.2031 > > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 > > Ve/Su 26.2.2036 > > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 > > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 > > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 > > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 > > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 > > Ve/Me 26.10.2048 > > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 > > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ web_video.html > > > > > -- ---------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Hello DB, You raise a good point. While Jupiter is weak in Navamsa, it is gains added strength from being 3rd lord AND being placed in the 2nd house. It therefore has at minimum 75% strength and possibly more, which is not of concern. His position to date also confirms his success potential. He wrapped up the nomination with braveur in March, far ahead of his rivals. We can compare this with Obama's performance. He was slightly humiliated by barely eeking over the finish line ahead of his closest contender art the final primary. Only then did he clinch the majority needed. All the while his shortcomings were being pointed out, in particular the fact that working class whites (those without a college education) were voting overwhelmingly against him. Best, Thor > Sytems Approach Analysis > ======================== > Sun Good Placement, > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > Ketu Good Placement SAMVA , " devibhakt " <devibhakt wrote: > > In this chart, Mars is debilitated but in 10th house. Jupiter as 3L > is debilitated in D9 thus reducing its strength. If 3rd house is for > effort and success, can his Jupiter still give success? > > I think it will be a good learning for all, if professor can do a > quick reading on McCain's chart. > > One good thing that I can see in this chart is that both Sun and Moon > are strong. They may give him highest position. Is that correct? > > Best, DB > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his > personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the > possibility of his becoming next US President. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM > > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > > > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about > John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite > reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over > the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential > election this fall. > > > > > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it > is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change > in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one > side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, > including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be > consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be > 68 years old. > > > > > > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the > nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early > September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive > transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating > period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the > transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a > candidate standing for general election. > > > > > > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your > guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests > about his chances to be elected President in the fall. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > samva > > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM > > New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a > Saturday (actually, it was a Friday). > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ > web_video.html > > > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo > rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very > good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and > the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a > less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo > in the 12th house. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > John McCain > > > > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST > > > > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA > > > > > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > > > ================================================ > > > > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju > > > > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke > > > > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su > > > > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me > > > > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su > > > > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me > > > > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su > > > > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju > > > > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke > > > > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats > > > > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM > > > > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi > > > > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su > > > > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap > > > > > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > > > ======================== > > > > Sun Good Placement, > > > > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > > > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > > > *9 * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *11* * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > > > *4 * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * SAR * * * * > > > > * RA * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *5 * 11 MO * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *6 * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * MA * * > > > > * * * * VE * * > > > > * * * * KE * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > > ======================== > > > > Su/Me 14.8.1936 > > > > Su/Ke 20.6.1937 > > > > Su/Ve 26.10.1937 > > > > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 > > > > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 > > > > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 > > > > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 > > > > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 > > > > Mo/Me 26.8.1944 > > > > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 > > > > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 > > > > Mo/Su 26.4.1948 > > > > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 > > > > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 > > > > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 > > > > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 > > > > Ma/Me 26.4.1952 > > > > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 > > > > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 > > > > Ma/Su 20.11.1954 > > > > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 > > > > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 > > > > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 > > > > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 > > > > Ra/Me 8.10.1963 > > > > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 > > > > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 > > > > Ra/Su 15.5.1970 > > > > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 > > > > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 > > > > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 > > > > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 > > > > Ju/Me 27.6.1978 > > > > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 > > > > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 > > > > Ju/Su 9.5.1984 > > > > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 > > > > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 > > > > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 > > > > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 > > > > Sa/Me 29.10.1992 > > > > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 > > > > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 > > > > Sa/Su 18.10.1999 > > > > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 > > > > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 > > > > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 > > > > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 > > > > Me/Me 26.10.2008 > > > > Me/Ke 25.3.2011 > > > > Me/Ve 21.3.2012 > > > > Me/Su 20.1.2015 > > > > Me/Mo 26.11.2015 > > > > Me/Ma 27.4.2017 > > > > Me/Ra 24.4.2018 > > > > Me/Ju 10.11.2020 > > > > Me/Sa 16.2.2023 > > > > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 > > > > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 > > > > Ke/Su 25.5.2027 > > > > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 > > > > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 > > > > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 > > > > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 > > > > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 > > > > Ke/Me 30.10.2031 > > > > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 > > > > Ve/Su 26.2.2036 > > > > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 > > > > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 > > > > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 > > > > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 > > > > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 > > > > Ve/Me 26.10.2048 > > > > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 > > > > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). > > > > > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ > web_video.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Thor, point well taken on Jupiter. However there are two other planets in this chart that need more scrutiny. Mars is debilitated, and Saturn is weak due to old age. McCain is a decorated war hero - I would have expected a strong Mars in his chart. And, he has been in politics for a very long time (and arguably successful), I would have expected Saturn (planet for democracy, people etc...) to be strong. Now, if you see Obama's new chart (after his birth certificate was posted on internet, arguably by his own team), Saturn is strong, Mo, Jupiter, Sun are all strong. He will still be running Jupiter/Moon dasha - same dasha that gave him victory in primaries. I am not suggesting the Obama will win in November, though. Your thoughts? DB SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello DB, > > You raise a good point. While Jupiter is weak in Navamsa, it is gains > added strength from being 3rd lord AND being placed in the 2nd > house. It therefore has at minimum 75% strength and possibly more, > which is not of concern. His position to date also confirms his > success potential. He wrapped up the nomination with braveur in > March, far ahead of his rivals. We can compare this with Obama's > performance. He was slightly humiliated by barely eeking over the > finish line ahead of his closest contender art the final primary. > Only then did he clinch the majority needed. All the while his > shortcomings were being pointed out, in particular the fact that > working class whites (those without a college education) were voting > overwhelmingly against him. > > Best, > > Thor > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > ======================== > > Sun Good Placement, > > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > Ketu Good Placement > > SAMVA , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> wrote: > > > > In this chart, Mars is debilitated but in 10th house. Jupiter as > 3L > > is debilitated in D9 thus reducing its strength. If 3rd house is > for > > effort and success, can his Jupiter still give success? > > > > I think it will be a good learning for all, if professor can do a > > quick reading on McCain's chart. > > > > One good thing that I can see in this chart is that both Sun and > Moon > > are strong. They may give him highest position. Is that correct? > > > > Best, DB > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for > his > > personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the > > possibility of his becoming next US President. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Cosmologer > > > SAMVA > > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM > > > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about > > John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite > > reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably > over > > the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential > > election this fall. > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it > > is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The > change > > in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On > one > > side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, > > including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be > > consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be > > 68 years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the > > nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early > > September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive > > transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the > operating > > period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the > > transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a > > candidate standing for general election. > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your > > guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it > suggests > > about his chances to be elected President in the fall. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > samva > > > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM > > > New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > > > > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a > > Saturday (actually, it was a Friday). > > > > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ > > web_video.html > > > > > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo > > rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a > very > > good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house > and > > the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a > > less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in > Virgo > > in the 12th house. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > John McCain > > > > > > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST > > > > > > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju > > > > > > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke > > > > > > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su > > > > > > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me > > > > > > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su > > > > > > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me > > > > > > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su > > > > > > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju > > > > > > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke > > > > > > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats > > > > > > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM > > > > > > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi > > > > > > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su > > > > > > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap > > > > > > > > > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > > > > > ======================== > > > > > > Sun Good Placement, > > > > > > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > > > > > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > > > > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > > > > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > > > > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > > > > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > > > > > *9 * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > > > > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > > > > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > *11* * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > > > > > *4 * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * SAR * * * * > > > > > > * RA * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > *5 * 11 MO * > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > *6 * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > * * * MA * * > > > > > > * * * * VE * * > > > > > > * * * * KE * * > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > > > > ======================== > > > > > > Su/Me 14.8.1936 > > > > > > Su/Ke 20.6.1937 > > > > > > Su/Ve 26.10.1937 > > > > > > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 > > > > > > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 > > > > > > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 > > > > > > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 > > > > > > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 > > > > > > Mo/Me 26.8.1944 > > > > > > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 > > > > > > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 > > > > > > Mo/Su 26.4.1948 > > > > > > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 > > > > > > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 > > > > > > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 > > > > > > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 > > > > > > Ma/Me 26.4.1952 > > > > > > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 > > > > > > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 > > > > > > Ma/Su 20.11.1954 > > > > > > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 > > > > > > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 > > > > > > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 > > > > > > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 > > > > > > Ra/Me 8.10.1963 > > > > > > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 > > > > > > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 > > > > > > Ra/Su 15.5.1970 > > > > > > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 > > > > > > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 > > > > > > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 > > > > > > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 > > > > > > Ju/Me 27.6.1978 > > > > > > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 > > > > > > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 > > > > > > Ju/Su 9.5.1984 > > > > > > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 > > > > > > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 > > > > > > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 > > > > > > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 > > > > > > Sa/Me 29.10.1992 > > > > > > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 > > > > > > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 > > > > > > Sa/Su 18.10.1999 > > > > > > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 > > > > > > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 > > > > > > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 > > > > > > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 > > > > > > Me/Me 26.10.2008 > > > > > > Me/Ke 25.3.2011 > > > > > > Me/Ve 21.3.2012 > > > > > > Me/Su 20.1.2015 > > > > > > Me/Mo 26.11.2015 > > > > > > Me/Ma 27.4.2017 > > > > > > Me/Ra 24.4.2018 > > > > > > Me/Ju 10.11.2020 > > > > > > Me/Sa 16.2.2023 > > > > > > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 > > > > > > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 > > > > > > Ke/Su 25.5.2027 > > > > > > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 > > > > > > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 > > > > > > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 > > > > > > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 > > > > > > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 > > > > > > Ke/Me 30.10.2031 > > > > > > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 > > > > > > Ve/Su 26.2.2036 > > > > > > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 > > > > > > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 > > > > > > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 > > > > > > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 > > > > > > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 > > > > > > Ve/Me 26.10.2048 > > > > > > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 > > > > > > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was > Friday). > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Hello DB, For McCain, 7th lord MARS is well placed in the 10th house, albeit afflicted. So, it has 50% strength on that account. It's dispositor, the MOON is very strong and well placed in the 4th house. He is married to a wealthy and prominent woman. The Moon adds some protection. That said, in the Navamsa chart, Mars is badly placed in the 8th house conjunct 6th lord Venus and Ketu. That is not supportive for the Mars. Given the weakness of Mars, it is vulnerable to transit afflictions. We can recall that he sustained injuries in combat, became prisoner of war and was allegedly tortured during his five years of captivity. He supposedly, has physical problems to this day due to that. So, the placement of Mars is not necessarily at odds with his life experience. 5th lord SATURN has 60% strength due to age and is placed in its own MT sign, adding some extra strength. Saturn is placed in the 5th MEP, aspecting also the 7th house, 11th house and 2nd house. This adds to his intelligence. Moreover, Saturn receives a favourable aspect from 1st lord Venus, albeit with less than 30% strength in the 11th house. This gives him flair fpr expression, intelligence and talent for showmanship - attributes which are important for a politician. Further Saturn aspects 3rd lord JUPITER (in addition to the 2nd house where Jupiter is housed). His ability as a communicator boosts his status. The real strengths in the chart are the 11th lord SUN and 10th lord MOON. JUPITER is not far behind, given its role as a sun-like planet in a sun-like house, despite its debilitation in Navamsa. In short, his chart shows considerable potential and good karma, mixed with some problems. Barack Obama's 2nd lord SATURN has about 65% strength in the 1st house. This gives him status from his own efforts and an ability to mostly defend his status or prevent setbacks to it when things get difficult. His 7th lord MOON at 10° Taurus is well placed and strong in the 5th house, even if afflicted by a debilitated 12th lord JUPITER at 7° 32' Capricorn and 1st house. The orb of affliction is beyond 2° to create much damage. However, 9th lord MERCURY is not so lucky, at 9° Cancer and 7th house, as it is weakened by combustion with 8th lord SUN also in the 7th house and hence severely afflicted by Jupiter, explaining e.g. the loss of father. 10th lord VENUS is weak due to bad placement in the 6th house of conflict and afflicted by KETU in the 2nd house. So, his career and his wife may be hurt due to odd disturbances in career. With 4th lord MARS is weak due to advanced old age and bad placement in the 8th house, also with RAHU in that house, the mental calm can become easily disturbed. With 8th lord SUN in the 7th house, there could be problems involving the spouse, especially given the bad placement and affliction of Venus. Overall, this chart does not seem to have the many strengths needed to attain the highest office. That said, he is running a good period until April 2009, followed by a weak period. The 8th lord SUN, the dispositor of his 2nd lord Saturn in transit in the 8th house, will soon pass through his 6th, 7th and 8th houses, which could indicate some setbacks for his status at that time. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " devibhakt " <devibhakt wrote: > > Thor, point well taken on Jupiter. However there are two other > planets in this chart that need more scrutiny. Mars is debilitated, > and Saturn is weak due to old age. > > McCain is a decorated war hero - I would have expected a strong Mars > in his chart. And, he has been in politics for a very long time (and > arguably successful), I would have expected Saturn (planet for > democracy, people etc...) to be strong. > > Now, if you see Obama's new chart (after his birth certificate was > posted on internet, arguably by his own team), Saturn is strong, Mo, > Jupiter, Sun are all strong. He will still be running Jupiter/Moon > dasha - same dasha that gave him victory in primaries. > > I am not suggesting the Obama will win in November, though. > > Your thoughts? > > DB > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Hello DB, > > > > You raise a good point. While Jupiter is weak in Navamsa, it is > gains > > added strength from being 3rd lord AND being placed in the 2nd > > house. It therefore has at minimum 75% strength and possibly more, > > which is not of concern. His position to date also confirms his > > success potential. He wrapped up the nomination with braveur in > > March, far ahead of his rivals. We can compare this with Obama's > > performance. He was slightly humiliated by barely eeking over the > > finish line ahead of his closest contender art the final primary. > > Only then did he clinch the majority needed. All the while his > > shortcomings were being pointed out, in particular the fact that > > working class whites (those without a college education) were > voting > > overwhelmingly against him. > > > > Best, > > > > Thor > > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > > ======================== > > > Sun Good Placement, > > > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > > Ketu Good Placement > > > > SAMVA , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> wrote: > > > > > > In this chart, Mars is debilitated but in 10th house. Jupiter as > > 3L > > > is debilitated in D9 thus reducing its strength. If 3rd house is > > for > > > effort and success, can his Jupiter still give success? > > > > > > I think it will be a good learning for all, if professor can do a > > > quick reading on McCain's chart. > > > > > > One good thing that I can see in this chart is that both Sun and > > Moon > > > are strong. They may give him highest position. Is that correct? > > > > > > Best, DB > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for > > his > > > personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the > > > possibility of his becoming next US President. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Cosmologer > > > > SAMVA > > > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM > > > > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information > about > > > John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite > > > reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably > > over > > > the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential > > > election this fall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but > it > > > is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The > > change > > > in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On > > one > > > side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, > > > including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be > > > consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then > be > > > 68 years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the > > > nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early > > > September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive > > > transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the > > operating > > > period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the > > > transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a > > > candidate standing for general election. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have > your > > > guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it > > suggests > > > about his chances to be elected President in the fall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > > samva > > > > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM > > > > New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > > > > > > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a > > > Saturday (actually, it was a Friday). > > > > > > > > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ > > > web_video.html > > > > > > > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier > Virgo > > > rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a > > very > > > good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house > > and > > > the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to > a > > > less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in > > Virgo > > > in the 12th house. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > John McCain > > > > > > > > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST > > > > > > > > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 > > > > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > > > > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju > > > > > > > > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke > > > > > > > > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su > > > > > > > > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me > > > > > > > > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su > > > > > > > > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me > > > > > > > > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su > > > > > > > > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju > > > > > > > > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke > > > > > > > > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats > > > > > > > > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM > > > > > > > > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi > > > > > > > > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su > > > > > > > > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > > > > > > > ======================== > > > > > > > > Sun Good Placement, > > > > > > > > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > > > > > > > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > > > > > > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > > > > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > > > > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > > > > > > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > > > > > > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > > > > > > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > > > > > > > *9 * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > > > > > > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > > > > > > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > *11* * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > > > > > > > *4 * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * SAR * * * * > > > > > > > > * RA * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > *5 * 11 MO * > > > > > > > > ** * * ** > > > > > > > > *6 * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > * * * MA * * > > > > > > > > * * * * VE * * > > > > > > > > * * * * KE * * > > > > > > > > * * * * * * > > > > > > > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > > > > > > ======================== > > > > > > > > Su/Me 14.8.1936 > > > > > > > > Su/Ke 20.6.1937 > > > > > > > > Su/Ve 26.10.1937 > > > > > > > > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 > > > > > > > > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 > > > > > > > > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 > > > > > > > > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 > > > > > > > > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 > > > > > > > > Mo/Me 26.8.1944 > > > > > > > > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 > > > > > > > > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 > > > > > > > > Mo/Su 26.4.1948 > > > > > > > > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 > > > > > > > > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 > > > > > > > > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 > > > > > > > > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 > > > > > > > > Ma/Me 26.4.1952 > > > > > > > > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 > > > > > > > > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 > > > > > > > > Ma/Su 20.11.1954 > > > > > > > > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 > > > > > > > > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 > > > > > > > > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 > > > > > > > > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 > > > > > > > > Ra/Me 8.10.1963 > > > > > > > > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 > > > > > > > > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 > > > > > > > > Ra/Su 15.5.1970 > > > > > > > > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 > > > > > > > > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 > > > > > > > > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 > > > > > > > > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 > > > > > > > > Ju/Me 27.6.1978 > > > > > > > > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 > > > > > > > > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 > > > > > > > > Ju/Su 9.5.1984 > > > > > > > > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 > > > > > > > > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 > > > > > > > > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 > > > > > > > > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 > > > > > > > > Sa/Me 29.10.1992 > > > > > > > > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 > > > > > > > > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 > > > > > > > > Sa/Su 18.10.1999 > > > > > > > > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 > > > > > > > > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 > > > > > > > > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 > > > > > > > > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 > > > > > > > > Me/Me 26.10.2008 > > > > > > > > Me/Ke 25.3.2011 > > > > > > > > Me/Ve 21.3.2012 > > > > > > > > Me/Su 20.1.2015 > > > > > > > > Me/Mo 26.11.2015 > > > > > > > > Me/Ma 27.4.2017 > > > > > > > > Me/Ra 24.4.2018 > > > > > > > > Me/Ju 10.11.2020 > > > > > > > > Me/Sa 16.2.2023 > > > > > > > > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 > > > > > > > > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 > > > > > > > > Ke/Su 25.5.2027 > > > > > > > > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 > > > > > > > > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 > > > > > > > > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 > > > > > > > > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 > > > > > > > > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 > > > > > > > > Ke/Me 30.10.2031 > > > > > > > > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 > > > > > > > > Ve/Su 26.2.2036 > > > > > > > > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 > > > > > > > > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 > > > > > > > > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 > > > > > > > > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 > > > > > > > > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 > > > > > > > > Ve/Me 26.10.2048 > > > > > > > > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 > > > > > > > > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was > > Friday). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ > > > web_video.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > ---------- > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, Health stress due to transit influences in Aug-Sep, 2008, will be manageable. No significant setback is seen. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:24 PM Re: New birth information for John McCain My dear ,Thank you very much for the assessment. With the belated arrival of likely correct birthtimes for both of the leading candidates, the evaluation and prediction exercise has been turned on its head. The upside is that we now have a clearer view of who may win in the fall. Certainly, the Libra rising chart for McCain looks very strong overall and the Capricorn rising chart for Obama looks quite weak overall - assuming they are finally the correct charts. Also, it adds to the plausibility of these charts that both candidates are expecred to endure significant strains this summer due to the nodal station.Do you think there is a chance health will become a significant issue for McCain given the transits in the Fall of 2008. In particular, his 1st lord Venus will be debilitated in the 12th house in late August and early September, where it will be conjunct his natal and transit 12th lord Mercury, while transit Rahu will afflict his 12th house while transit Ketu afflicts his natal 6th house. Following this, the Mercury-Mercury period begins in late October 2008. While Mercury is strong in the Rasi chart, I just noticed it is debilitated in the Navamsa chart which reduces its strength in the Rasi.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:Hello my dear Thor,The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the possibility of his becoming next US President.Best wishes,www.YourNetAstrologer.comwww.JyotishRemedies121.comA-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)Mobile phone: 9811016333> - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM> Re: New birth information for John McCain> > Dear and list members,> > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old.> The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election.> > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > Cosmologer <cosmologer> samva > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM> New birth information for John McCain> > > Dear friends,> > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html> > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house.> > Best wishes,> > Thor > > > John McCain> Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST> Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> ================================================> Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju> Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke> Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su> Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me> Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su> Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me> Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su> Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju> Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke> Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats> Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM> Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi> Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su> Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap> > Sytems Approach Analysis> ========================> Sun Good Placement, > Moon Good Placement, Bright,> Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > Ketu Good Placement, > > Rashi Chart> ******************************************************* > ** 8 * * 6 ** > *9 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > * * * * * SU 13:08* > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > ** * * ** > *11* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 12 * * 2 ** > ******************************************************* > > Navamsha> ******************************************************* > ** 3 * * 1 ** > *4 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * SAR * * * * > * RA * * * * > * * * * * * > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *5 * 11 MO * > ** * * ** > *6 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * 8 * 10 JU * > * * * * * * > * * * MA * * > * * * * VE * * > * * * * KE * * > * * * * * * > ** 7 * * 9 ** > ******************************************************* > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis> ========================> Su/Me 14.8.1936> Su/Ke 20.6.1937> Su/Ve 26.10.1937> Mo/Mo 27.10.1938> Mo/Ma 27.8.1939> Mo/Ra 27.3.1940> Mo/Ju 26.9.1941> Mo/Sa 26.1.1943> Mo/Me 26.8.1944> Mo/Ke 26.1.1946> Mo/Ve 27.8.1946> Mo/Su 26.4.1948> Ma/Ma 26.10.1948> Ma/Ra 24.3.1949> Ma/Ju 12.4.1950> Ma/Sa 19.3.1951> Ma/Me 26.4.1952> Ma/Ke 24.4.1953> Ma/Ve 20.9.1953> Ma/Su 20.11.1954> Ma/Mo 28.3.1955> Ra/Ra 27.10.1955> Ra/Ju 9.7.1958> Ra/Sa 2.12.1960> Ra/Me 8.10.1963> Ra/Ke 27.4.1966> Ra/Ve 15.5.1967> Ra/Su 15.5.1970> Ra/Mo 9.4.1971> Ra/Ma 8.10.1972> Ju/Ju 26.10.1973> Ju/Sa 14.12.1975> Ju/Me 27.6.1978> Ju/Ke 2.10.1980> Ju/Ve 8.9.1981> Ju/Su 9.5.1984> Ju/Mo 25.2.1985> Ju/Ma 27.6.1986> Ju/Ra 3.6.1987> Sa/Sa 26.10.1989> Sa/Me 29.10.1992> Sa/Ke 9.7.1995> Sa/Ve 17.8.1996> Sa/Su 18.10.1999> Sa/Mo 29.9.2000> Sa/Ma 30.4.2002> Sa/Ra 9.6.2003> Sa/Ju 15.4.2006> Me/Me 26.10.2008> Me/Ke 25.3.2011> Me/Ve 21.3.2012> Me/Su 20.1.2015> Me/Mo 26.11.2015> Me/Ma 27.4.2017> Me/Ra 24.4.2018> Me/Ju 10.11.2020> Me/Sa 16.2.2023> Ke/Ke 26.10.2025> Ke/Ve 24.3.2026> Ke/Su 25.5.2027> Ke/Mo 29.9.2027> Ke/Ma 29.4.2028> Ke/Ra 26.9.2028> Ke/Ju 14.10.2029> Ke/Sa 20.9.2030> Ke/Me 30.10.2031> Ve/Ve 26.10.2032> Ve/Su 26.2.2036> Ve/Mo 25.2.2037> Ve/Ma 27.10.2038> Ve/Ra 27.12.2039> Ve/Ju 26.12.2042> Ve/Sa 26.8.2045> Ve/Me 26.10.2048> Ve/Ke 27.8.2051> Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday).http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Hello DB, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - devibhakt SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:30 PM Re: New birth information for John McCain In this chart, Mars is debilitated but in 10th house. Jupiter as 3L is debilitated in D9 thus reducing its strength. If 3rd house is for effort and success, can his Jupiter still give success?JUP IS A SUN LIKE PLANET, PLACED IN ANOTHER SUN LIKE HOUSE AND IS CLOSE TO MEP. THESE FACTORS MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS OF STRENGTH DUE TO DEBILITATION IN NAVAMSA. MARS IS CLOSED ASPECTED BY JUPITER. I think it will be a good learning for all, if professor can do a quick reading on McCain's chart.PLANETARY STRENGTHS ARE BEFORE YOU. STRENGTH OF THE SUN AND MOON AND CLOSE ASPECT OF SATURN TO VENUS MAKE UP TO A GOOD EXTENT THE WEAKNESS OF VENUS. NO PLANET IN 6TH AND 8TH HOUSES. 12TH LORD IN 12TH HOUSE. NO CLOSE AFFLICTION IN THE NATAL CHART - ALL SPEAK WELL FOR THE CHART.One good thing that I can see in this chart is that both Sun and Moon are strong. They may give him highest position. Is that correct?IT IS LIKELY AND YOU ARE RIGHT.Best, DBSAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:>> Hello my dear Thor,> > The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the possibility of his becoming next US President.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM> Re: New birth information for John McCain> > > > Dear and list members,> > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old.> > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election.> > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer> samva > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM> New birth information for John McCain> > > Dear friends,> > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html> > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house.> > Best wishes,> > Thor > > > John McCain> > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST> > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA> > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > ================================================> > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju> > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke> > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su> > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me> > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su> > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me> > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su> > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju> > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke> > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra> > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats> > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM> > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi> > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su> > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap> > > > Sytems Approach Analysis> > ========================> > Sun Good Placement, > > Moon Good Placement, Bright,> > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > Rashi Chart> > ******************************************************* > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > *9 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > ** * * ** > > *11* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Navamsha> > ******************************************************* > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > *4 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * SAR * * * * > > * RA * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *5 * 11 MO * > > ** * * ** > > *6 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > * * * * * * > > * * * MA * * > > * * * * VE * * > > * * * * KE * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis> > ========================> > Su/Me 14.8.1936> > Su/Ke 20.6.1937> > Su/Ve 26.10.1937> > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938> > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939> > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940> > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941> > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943> > Mo/Me 26.8.1944> > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946> > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946> > Mo/Su 26.4.1948> > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948> > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949> > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950> > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951> > Ma/Me 26.4.1952> > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953> > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953> > Ma/Su 20.11.1954> > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955> > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955> > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958> > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960> > Ra/Me 8.10.1963> > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966> > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967> > Ra/Su 15.5.1970> > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971> > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972> > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973> > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975> > Ju/Me 27.6.1978> > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980> > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981> > Ju/Su 9.5.1984> > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985> > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986> > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987> > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989> > Sa/Me 29.10.1992> > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995> > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996> > Sa/Su 18.10.1999> > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000> > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002> > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003> > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006> > Me/Me 26.10.2008> > Me/Ke 25.3.2011> > Me/Ve 21.3.2012> > Me/Su 20.1.2015> > Me/Mo 26.11.2015> > Me/Ma 27.4.2017> > Me/Ra 24.4.2018> > Me/Ju 10.11.2020> > Me/Sa 16.2.2023> > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025> > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026> > Ke/Su 25.5.2027> > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027> > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028> > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028> > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029> > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030> > Ke/Me 30.10.2031> > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032> > Ve/Su 26.2.2036> > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037> > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038> > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039> > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042> > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045> > Ve/Me 26.10.2048> > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051> > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday).> > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html> > > > > --> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Hello Professor and Group,Take a look at the inauguration day transit for him!attached..Sally2008/6/14 SIHA <vkchoudhry: Hello DB, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - devibhakt SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:30 PM Re: New birth information for John McCain In this chart, Mars is debilitated but in 10th house. Jupiter as 3L is debilitated in D9 thus reducing its strength. If 3rd house is for effort and success, can his Jupiter still give success?JUP IS A SUN LIKE PLANET, PLACED IN ANOTHER SUN LIKE HOUSE AND IS CLOSE TO MEP. THESE FACTORS MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS OF STRENGTH DUE TO DEBILITATION IN NAVAMSA. MARS IS CLOSED ASPECTED BY JUPITER. I think it will be a good learning for all, if professor can do a quick reading on McCain's chart.PLANETARY STRENGTHS ARE BEFORE YOU. STRENGTH OF THE SUN AND MOON AND CLOSE ASPECT OF SATURN TO VENUS MAKE UP TO A GOOD EXTENT THE WEAKNESS OF VENUS. NO PLANET IN 6TH AND 8TH HOUSES. 12TH LORD IN 12TH HOUSE. NO CLOSE AFFLICTION IN THE NATAL CHART - ALL SPEAK WELL FOR THE CHART.One good thing that I can see in this chart is that both Sun and Moon are strong. They may give him highest position. Is that correct?IT IS LIKELY AND YOU ARE RIGHT.Best, DBSAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote:>> Hello my dear Thor,> > The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the possibility of his becoming next US President.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM> Re: New birth information for John McCain> > > > Dear and list members,> > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old.> > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election.> > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer> samva > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM> New birth information for John McCain> > > Dear friends,> > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ web_video.html> > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house.> > Best wishes,> > Thor > > > John McCain> > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST> > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA> > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > ================================================> > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju> > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke> > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su> > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me> > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su> > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me> > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su> > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju> > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke> > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra> > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats> > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM> > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi> > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su> > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap> > > > Sytems Approach Analysis> > ========================> > Sun Good Placement, > > Moon Good Placement, Bright,> > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > Rashi Chart> > ******************************************************* > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > *9 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > ** * * ** > > *11* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Navamsha> > ******************************************************* > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > *4 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * SAR * * * * > > * RA * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *5 * 11 MO * > > ** * * ** > > *6 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > * * * * * * > > * * * MA * * > > * * * * VE * * > > * * * * KE * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > .> -- Sally SpencerFacilitator/Astrologerwww.Devi3.byregion.netWhatever you perceive, it's love you receive. 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Thanks Professor. This was helpful. In Obama's new chart (7:24pm time), on the election day, transit Ketu will be exactly on his natal Sun (8th lord in 7th). There is no way, with this chart, he can be elected President on 4th Nov. Time will tell, as they say. NS SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello DB, > > I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > devibhakt > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:30 PM > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > > In this chart, Mars is debilitated but in 10th house. Jupiter as 3L > is debilitated in D9 thus reducing its strength. If 3rd house is for > effort and success, can his Jupiter still give success? > JUP IS A SUN LIKE PLANET, PLACED IN ANOTHER SUN LIKE HOUSE AND IS CLOSE TO MEP. THESE FACTORS MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS OF STRENGTH DUE TO DEBILITATION IN NAVAMSA. MARS IS CLOSED ASPECTED BY JUPITER. > I think it will be a good learning for all, if professor can do a > quick reading on McCain's chart. > PLANETARY STRENGTHS ARE BEFORE YOU. STRENGTH OF THE SUN AND MOON AND CLOSE ASPECT OF SATURN TO VENUS MAKE UP TO A GOOD EXTENT THE WEAKNESS OF VENUS. NO PLANET IN 6TH AND 8TH HOUSES. 12TH LORD IN 12TH HOUSE. NO CLOSE AFFLICTION IN THE NATAL CHART - ALL SPEAK WELL FOR THE CHART. > One good thing that I can see in this chart is that both Sun and Moon > are strong. They may give him highest position. Is that correct? > IT IS LIKELY AND YOU ARE RIGHT. > Best, DB > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > The chart with new birth information looks to be responsive for his > personality and achievements, so far. It strongly indicates the > possibility of his becoming next US President. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM > > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > > > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about > John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite > reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over > the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential > election this fall. > > > > > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it > is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change > in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one > side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, > including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be > consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be > 68 years old. > > > > > > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the > nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early > September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive > transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating > period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the > transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a > candidate standing for general election. > > > > > > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your > guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests > about his chances to be elected President in the fall. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > samva > > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM > > New birth information for John McCain > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a > Saturday (actually, it was a Friday). > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ > web_video.html > > > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo > rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very > good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and > the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a > less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo > in the 12th house. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > John McCain > > > > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST > > > > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA > > > > > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > > > ================================================ > > > > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju > > > > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke > > > > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su > > > > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me > > > > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su > > > > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me > > > > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su > > > > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju > > > > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke > > > > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra > > > > > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats > > > > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM > > > > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi > > > > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su > > > > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap > > > > > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > > > ======================== > > > > Sun Good Placement, > > > > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > > > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > > > > > Rashi Chart > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > > > *9 * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *11* * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > Navamsha > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > > > *4 * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * SAR * * * * > > > > * RA * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *5 * 11 MO * > > > > ** * * ** > > > > *6 * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > * * * MA * * > > > > * * * * VE * * > > > > * * * * KE * * > > > > * * * * * * > > > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > > ======================== > > > > Su/Me 14.8.1936 > > > > Su/Ke 20.6.1937 > > > > Su/Ve 26.10.1937 > > > > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 > > > > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 > > > > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 > > > > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 > > > > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 > > > > Mo/Me 26.8.1944 > > > > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 > > > > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 > > > > Mo/Su 26.4.1948 > > > > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 > > > > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 > > > > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 > > > > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 > > > > Ma/Me 26.4.1952 > > > > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 > > > > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 > > > > Ma/Su 20.11.1954 > > > > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 > > > > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 > > > > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 > > > > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 > > > > Ra/Me 8.10.1963 > > > > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 > > > > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 > > > > Ra/Su 15.5.1970 > > > > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 > > > > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 > > > > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 > > > > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 > > > > Ju/Me 27.6.1978 > > > > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 > > > > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 > > > > Ju/Su 9.5.1984 > > > > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 > > > > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 > > > > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 > > > > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 > > > > Sa/Me 29.10.1992 > > > > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 > > > > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 > > > > Sa/Su 18.10.1999 > > > > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 > > > > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 > > > > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 > > > > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 > > > > Me/Me 26.10.2008 > > > > Me/Ke 25.3.2011 > > > > Me/Ve 21.3.2012 > > > > Me/Su 20.1.2015 > > > > Me/Mo 26.11.2015 > > > > Me/Ma 27.4.2017 > > > > Me/Ra 24.4.2018 > > > > Me/Ju 10.11.2020 > > > > Me/Sa 16.2.2023 > > > > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 > > > > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 > > > > Ke/Su 25.5.2027 > > > > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 > > > > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 > > > > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 > > > > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 > > > > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 > > > > Ke/Me 30.10.2031 > > > > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 > > > > Ve/Su 26.2.2036 > > > > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 > > > > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 > > > > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 > > > > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 > > > > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 > > > > Ve/Me 26.10.2048 > > > > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 > > > > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). > > > > > > > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_ > web_video.html > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > ---------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Dear friends, Earlier this year, I shared with you new information on the birth time of John McCain, based on his mothers verbal statement in a tv ad. The 11.00 am time that she mentions gives 24° 27' Libra rising. gave his assessment that the Libra chart "looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President." Earlier he had indicated that the Virgo rising chart of Republican John McCain, based on the time of 9.00 am birthtime, did not suggest he would be elected President. Birth Data Birth Name: John McCain Birth Date: 08/29/1936 (Aug. 29, 1936) Birth Time: 09:00 (9:00 AM) EST +5:00 Birth Place: Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal Latitude / Longitude: 9 N 22 / 79 W 53 Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory Source Notes: Shelley Ackerman quotes the Internet for 9:00 AM, from Rowena Wall who wrote that she obtained the data from two different staffers at McCain's campaign HQ. Mark McDonough called both the election office and Senator McCain's political office and was told that they had no copy of the medical records on hand to provide written documentation of his birth time. McCain's deputy press secretary said she had many people call for his birth time and she had called his mother. Mom said "about 9 AM." In one of his political ads in May 2008, he and his mom are "chatting" and she said "I awakened and I told Jack, "we're gonna' have this baby. This baby came, I think, about 11:00" To see the video: May 08, 2008 - McCain: "Johnny's Mom" Web Video http://lnk.nu/realclearpolitics.com/nig.html In any event, if there are list members who are interested to undertake the exercise of matching events in his life with respect to these two ascendants in order to see which one works better that wold be great. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:48:41 PMRe: New birth information for John McCain Hello my dear Thor, This chart looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President. Best wishes. www.YourNetAstrologer.comwww.JyotishRemedies121.comA-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)Mobile phone: 9811016333 - Cosmologer SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM Re: New birth information for John McCain Dear and list members, A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old. The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election. It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >samva Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM New birth information for John McCain Dear friends, There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).http://www.realclea rpolitics. com/video_ log/2008/ 05/mccain_ johnnys_mom_ web_video. html The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. Best wishes, Thor John McCain Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap Sytems Approach Analysis ============ ========= === Sun Good Placement, Moon Good Placement, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * * * * * * SU 13:08* *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* Navamsha ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR * * * * * RA * * * * * * * * * * *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *5 * 11 MO * ** * * ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 8 * 10 JU * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * * VE * * * * * * KE * * * * * * * * ** 7 * * 9 ** ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ============ ========= === Su/Me 14.8.1936 Su/Ke 20.6.1937 Su/Ve 26.10.1937 Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 Mo/Me 26.8.1944 Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 Mo/Su 26.4.1948 Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 Ma/Me 26.4.1952 Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 Ma/Su 20.11.1954 Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 Ra/Me 8.10.1963 Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 Ra/Su 15.5.1970 Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 Ju/Me 27.6.1978 Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 Ju/Su 9.5.1984 Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 Sa/Me 29.10.1992 Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 Sa/Su 18.10.1999 Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 Me/Me 26.10.2008 Me/Ke 25.3.2011 Me/Ve 21.3.2012 Me/Su 20.1.2015 Me/Mo 26.11.2015 Me/Ma 27.4.2017 Me/Ra 24.4.2018 Me/Ju 10.11.2020 Me/Sa 16.2.2023 Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 Ke/Su 25.5.2027 Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 Ke/Me 30.10.2031 Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 Ve/Su 26.2.2036 Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 Ve/Me 26.10.2048 Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Dear Thor, There is something quite basic which can be seen in McCain’s chart. This is his basic constitution or prakriti. Usually it is hard to pick because of the various combinations. In this case it is easy. Checking the 3 possible ascendants— Virgo ascendant will give a predominately Vata constitution. Scorpio ascendant gives a predominately Kapha constitution. Libra ascendant will give a predominately Pitta constitution since ascendant lord Ve is in a fire sign and Mars aspects the ascendant. I believe McCain would be mainly pitta, being a person of action with drive, courage and initiative. According to one report he has ferocious unpredictable temper. What a president! These are pitta characteristics. A Birth Certificate is not needed. A 20 minute consultation with an ayurvedic doctor would settle the issue. Ron Cosmologer wrote: > Dear friends, > Earlier this year, I shared with you new information on the birth time of John McCain, based on his mothers verbal statement in a tv ad. The 11.00 am time that she mentions gives 24° 27' Libra rising. > gave his assessment that the Libra chart " looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President. " > Earlier he had indicated that the Virgo rising chart of Republican John McCain, based on the time of 9.00 am birthtime, did not suggest he would be elected President. > Birth Data > Birth Name: John McCain > Birth 08/29/1936 (Aug. 29, 1936) > Birth Time: 09:00 (9:00 AM) EST +5:00 > Birth Place: Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal > Latitude / Longitude: 9 N 22 / 79 W 53 > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory > Source Notes: Shelley Ackerman quotes the Internet for 9:00 AM, from Rowena Wall who wrote that she obtained the data from two different staffers at McCain's campaign HQ. Mark McDonough called both the election office and Senator McCain's political office and was told that they had no copy of the medical records on hand to provide written documentation of his birth time. McCain's deputy press secretary said she had many people call for his birth time and she had called his mother. Mom said " about 9 AM. " In one of his political ads in May 2008, he and his mom are " chatting " and she said " I awakened and I told Jack, " we're gonna' have this baby. This baby came, I think, about 11:00 " To see the video: > May 08, 2008 - McCain: " Johnny's Mom " Web Video > http://lnk.nu/realclearpolitics.com/nig.html > In any event, if there are list members who are interested to undertake the exercise of matching events in his life with respect to these two ascendants in order to see which one works better that wold be great. > Best wishes, > Thor > > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:48:41 PM > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > This chart looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President. > > Best wishes. > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > www.JyotishRemedies121.com > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India). > Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124) > Mobile phone: 9811016333 > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM > Re: New birth information for John McCain > > Dear and list members, > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old. > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election. > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > > samva > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM > New birth information for John McCain > > > Dear friends, > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday). > http://www.realclea rpolitics. com/video_ log/2008/ 05/mccain_ johnnys_mom_ web_video. html > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > John McCain > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap > > Sytems Approach Analysis > ============ ========= === > Sun Good Placement, > Moon Good Placement, Bright, > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > Ketu Good Placement, > > Rashi Chart > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > ** 8 * * 6 ** > *9 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > * * * * * SU 13:08* > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > ** * * ** > *11* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 12 * * 2 ** > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > Navamsha > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > ** 3 * * 1 ** > *4 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * SAR * * * * > * RA * * * * > * * * * * * > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *5 * 11 MO * > ** * * ** > *6 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * 8 * 10 JU * > * * * * * * > * * * MA * * > * * * * VE * * > * * * * KE * * > * * * * * * > ** 7 * * 9 ** > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > ============ ========= === > Su/Me 14.8.1936 > Su/Ke 20.6.1937 > Su/Ve 26.10.1937 > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938 > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939 > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940 > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941 > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943 > Mo/Me 26.8.1944 > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946 > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946 > Mo/Su 26.4.1948 > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948 > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949 > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950 > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951 > Ma/Me 26.4.1952 > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953 > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953 > Ma/Su 20.11.1954 > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955 > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955 > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958 > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960 > Ra/Me 8.10.1963 > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966 > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967 > Ra/Su 15.5.1970 > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971 > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972 > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973 > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975 > Ju/Me 27.6.1978 > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980 > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981 > Ju/Su 9.5.1984 > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985 > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986 > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987 > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989 > Sa/Me 29.10.1992 > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995 > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996 > Sa/Su 18.10.1999 > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000 > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002 > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003 > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006 > Me/Me 26.10.2008 > Me/Ke 25.3.2011 > Me/Ve 21.3.2012 > Me/Su 20.1.2015 > Me/Mo 26.11.2015 > Me/Ma 27.4.2017 > Me/Ra 24.4.2018 > Me/Ju 10.11.2020 > Me/Sa 16.2.2023 > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025 > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026 > Ke/Su 25.5.2027 > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027 > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028 > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028 > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029 > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030 > Ke/Me 30.10.2031 > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032 > Ve/Su 26.2.2036 > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037 > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038 > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039 > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042 > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045 > Ve/Me 26.10.2048 > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051 > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday). > http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/05/mccain_johnnys_mom_web_video.\ html > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Dear Thor, I stand corrected. Sorry for the confusion. Warm regards,Shayn cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:38:56 AM Re: New birth information for John McCain Dear Ron,Thanks for the humorous and insightful post. I agree. had also given his view. Libra it is. Now the question becomes of the rising degree...Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , RonDay <ronkar wrote:>> Dear Thor,> > There is something quite basic which can be seen in McCain's chart. This > is his basic constitution or prakriti. Usually it is hard to pick > because of the various combinations.> In this case it is easy.> Checking the 3 possible ascendants—> Virgo ascendant will give a predominately Vata constitution. Scorpio > ascendant gives a predominately Kapha constitution.> Libra ascendant will give a predominately Pitta constitution since > ascendant lord Ve is in a fire sign and Mars aspects the ascendant.> > I believe McCain would be mainly pitta, being a person of action with > drive, courage and initiative. According to one report he has ferocious > unpredictable temper. What a president! These are pitta characteristics.> > A Birth Certificate is not needed. A 20 minute consultation with an > ayurvedic doctor would settle the issue.> > > Ron> > > > Cosmologer wrote:> > Dear friends,> > Earlier this year, I shared with you new information on the birth time of John McCain, based on his mothers verbal statement in a tv ad. The 11.00 am time that she mentions gives 24° 27' Libra rising. > > gave his assessment that the Libra chart "looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President." > > Earlier he had indicated that the Virgo rising chart of Republican John McCain, based on the time of 9.00 am birthtime, did not suggest he would be elected President.> > Birth Data > > Birth Name: John McCain > > Birth 08/29/1936 (Aug. 29, 1936) > > Birth Time: 09:00 (9:00 AM) EST +5:00 > > Birth Place: Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal > > Latitude / Longitude: 9 N 22 / 79 W 53 > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory > > Source Notes: Shelley Ackerman quotes the Internet for 9:00 AM, from Rowena Wall who wrote that she obtained the data from two different staffers at McCain's campaign HQ. Mark McDonough called both the election office and Senator McCain's political office and was told that they had no copy of the medical records on hand to provide written documentation of his birth time. McCain's deputy press secretary said she had many people call for his birth time and she had called his mother. Mom said "about 9 AM." In one of his political ads in May 2008, he and his mom are "chatting" and she said "I awakened and I told Jack, "we're gonna' have this baby. This baby came, I think, about 11:00" To see the video:> > May 08, 2008 - McCain: "Johnny's Mom" Web Video> > http://lnk.nu/ realclearpolitic s.com/nig. html > > In any event, if there are list members who are interested to undertake the exercise of matching events in his life with respect to these two ascendants in order to see which one works better that wold be great.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > > > > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@ ....>> > SAMVA > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:48:41 PM> > Re: New birth information for John McCain> > > > > > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > This chart looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President.> > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > www.YourNetAstrolog er.com> > www.JyotishRemedies 121.com> > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).> > Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)> > Mobile phone: 9811016333> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM> > Re: New birth information for John McCain> > > > Dear and list members,> > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential election this fall. > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be 68 years old.> > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a candidate standing for general election.> > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests about his chances to be elected President in the fall.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer>> > samva > > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM> > New birth information for John McCain> > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).> > http://www.realclea rpolitics. com/video_ log/2008/ 05/mccain_ johnnys_mom_ web_video. html> > > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo in the 12th house.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor > > > > > > John McCain> > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST> > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58> > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA> > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =========> > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju> > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke> > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su> > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me> > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su> > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me> > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su> > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju> > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke> > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra> > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats> > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM> > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi> > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su> > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap> > > > Sytems Approach Analysis> > ============ ========= ===> > Sun Good Placement, > > Moon Good Placement, Bright,> > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > Rashi Chart> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > *9 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > ** * * ** > > *11* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > > > Navamsha> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > *4 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * SAR * * * * > > * RA * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *5 * 11 MO * > > ** * * ** > > *6 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > * * * * * * > > * * * MA * * > > * * * * VE * * > > * * * * KE * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis> > ============ ========= ===> > Su/Me 14.8.1936> > Su/Ke 20.6.1937> > Su/Ve 26.10.1937> > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938> > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939> > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940> > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941> > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943> > Mo/Me 26.8.1944> > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946> > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946> > Mo/Su 26.4.1948> > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948> > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949> > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950> > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951> > Ma/Me 26.4.1952> > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953> > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953> > Ma/Su 20.11.1954> > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955> > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955> > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958> > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960> > Ra/Me 8.10.1963> > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966> > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967> > Ra/Su 15.5.1970> > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971> > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972> > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973> > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975> > Ju/Me 27.6.1978> > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980> > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981> > Ju/Su 9.5.1984> > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985> > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986> > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987> > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989> > Sa/Me 29.10.1992> > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995> > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996> > Sa/Su 18.10.1999> > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000> > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002> > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003> > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006> > Me/Me 26.10.2008> > Me/Ke 25.3.2011> > Me/Ve 21.3.2012> > Me/Su 20.1.2015> > Me/Mo 26.11.2015> > Me/Ma 27.4.2017> > Me/Ra 24.4.2018> > Me/Ju 10.11.2020> > Me/Sa 16.2.2023> > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025> > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026> > Ke/Su 25.5.2027> > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027> > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028> > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028> > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029> > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030> > Ke/Me 30.10.2031> > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032> > Ve/Su 26.2.2036> > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037> > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038> > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039> > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042> > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045> > Ve/Me 26.10.2048> > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051> > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday).> > http://www.realclea rpolitics. com/video_ log/2008/ 05/mccain_ johnnys_mom_web_video.html> > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Dear Thor, Thank you for your kind remarks. Warm regards,Shayn cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:09:10 AM Re: New birth information for John McCain Dear Shayn,No problem. It can be hard to keep up with all the information that appears on the list. More importantly, your contributions are highly valued and welcomed!Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , Shayn Smith <mactunesmith@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Thor,> I stand corrected. Sorry for the confusion.> > Warm regards,> Shayn> > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...>> SAMVA > Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:38:56 AM> Re: New birth information for John McCain> > > Dear Ron,> > Thanks for the humorous and insightful post. I agree. Professor > Choudhry had also given his view. Libra it is. > > Now the question becomes of the rising degree...> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Thor,> > > > There is something quite basic which can be seen in McCain's chart. > This > > is his basic constitution or prakriti. Usually it is hard to pick > > because of the various combinations.> > In this case it is easy.> > Checking the 3 possible ascendants—> > Virgo ascendant will give a predominately Vata constitution. > Scorpio > > ascendant gives a predominately Kapha constitution.> > Libra ascendant will give a predominately Pitta constitution since > > ascendant lord Ve is in a fire sign and Mars aspects the ascendant.> > > > I believe McCain would be mainly pitta, being a person of action > with > > drive, courage and initiative. According to one report he has > ferocious > > unpredictable temper. What a president! These are pitta > characteristics.> > > > A Birth Certificate is not needed. A 20 minute consultation with an > > ayurvedic doctor would settle the issue.> > > > > > Ron> > > > > > > > Cosmologer wrote:> > > Dear friends,> > > Earlier this year, I shared with you new information on the birth > time of John McCain, based on his mothers verbal statement in a tv > ad. The 11.00 am time that she mentions gives 24° 27' Libra rising. > > > gave his assessment that the Libra > chart "looks to be responsive for his personality and indicates > strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President." > > > Earlier he had indicated that the Virgo rising chart of > Republican John McCain, based on the time of 9.00 am birthtime, did > not suggest he would be elected President.> > > Birth Data > > > Birth Name: John McCain > > > Birth 08/29/1936 (Aug. 29, 1936) > > > Birth Time: 09:00 (9:00 AM) EST +5:00 > > > Birth Place: Coco Solo Air Base, Panama Canal > > > Latitude / Longitude: 9 N 22 / 79 W 53 > > > Rodden Rating / Source: A / From memory > > > Source Notes: Shelley Ackerman quotes the Internet for 9:00 AM, > from Rowena Wall who wrote that she obtained the data from two > different staffers at McCain's campaign HQ. Mark McDonough called > both the election office and Senator McCain's political office and > was told that they had no copy of the medical records on hand to > provide written documentation of his birth time. McCain's deputy > press secretary said she had many people call for his birth time and > she had called his mother. Mom said "about 9 AM." In one of his > political ads in May 2008, he and his mom are "chatting" and she > said "I awakened and I told Jack, "we're gonna' have this baby. This > baby came, I think, about 11:00" To see the video:> > > May 08, 2008 - McCain: "Johnny's Mom" Web Video> > > http://lnk.nu/ realclearpolitic s.com/nig. html > > > In any event, if there are list members who are interested to > undertake the exercise of matching events in his life with respect to > these two ascendants in order to see which one works better that wold > be great.> > > Best wishes,> > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry@ ...>> > > SAMVA > > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:48:41 PM> > > Re: New birth information for John McCain> > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > > > This chart looks to be responsive for his personality and > indicates strongly the possibility of his becoming next US President.> > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > www.YourNetAstrolog er.com> > > www.JyotishRemedies 121.com> > > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).> > > Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)> > > Mobile phone: 9811016333> > > > > > - > > > Cosmologer > > > SAMVA > > > Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:48 PM> > > Re: New birth information for John McCain> > > > > > Dear and list members,> > > > > > A month ago, I shared on this list new birth information about > John McCain, giving 24° 27' Libra rising. This chart looks quite > reasonable for him and could improve his prospects considerably over > the earlier Virgo rising chart when it comes to the Presidential > election this fall. > > > > > > The current Saturn-Jupiter period would be very helpful, but it > is replaced by Mercury-Mercury period on October 26, 2008. The change > in period suggests a major shift in his life in coming years. On one > side he could be having to deal with a lot of 12th house issues, > including foreign policy. On the other hand, it could also be > consistent with him entering retirement, given that he will then be > 68 years old.> > > > > > The transits this summer would be challenging, especially the > nodal station on his 10th and 4th houses. The transits in early > September 2008 are also a curious mix of negative and positive > transits - with the latter likely more powerful due to the operating > period, likely indicating some climax. In early November 2008 the > transits are stunningly good, which would be helpful to him as a > candidate standing for general election.> > > > > > It would be very helpful, dear , to have your > guidance on the assessment of this chart, including what it suggests > about his chances to be elected President in the fall.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer>> > > samva > > > Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:21:10 AM> > > New birth information for John McCain> > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > There is new information concerning John McCain's birth time. > > > > > > Hi ninety year old+ mother says he was born at 11:00 on a > Saturday (actually, it was a Friday).> > > http://www.realclea rpolitics. com/video_ log/2008/ 05/mccain_ > johnnys_mom_ web_video. html> > > > > > The 24 Libra rising chart is far better than the earlier Virgo > rising chart. However, in October 2008, the chart shifts from a very > good major period of 9th lord Saturn on the MEP of the 5th house and > the sub period of 3rd lord Jupiter on the MEP of the 2nd house to a > less advantageous major- and sub-period of 12th lord Mercury in Virgo > in the 12th house.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > John McCain> > > Aug 29, 1936 11:00 AM +05:00 EST> > > Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/MA> > > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> > > ============ ========= ========= ========= =========> > > Asc 24:27 Lib Vishakha Ju> > > Sun 13:08 Leo +00:57:59 ST Magha Ke> > > Moon 05:12 Cap +13:37:04 ST U.Shadya Su> > > Mars 19:23 Can +00:38:14 WK Aslesha Me> > > Merc 09:23 Vir +01:11:43 FM U.Phalguni Su> > > Jupt 22:07 Sco +00:03:17 WK Jyeshtha Me> > > Ven 29:56 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su> > > Sat R 27:09 Aqu -00:04:23 WK P.Bhadra Ju> > > Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:54 FM Mula Ke> > > Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:54 FM Ardra Ra> > > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 708 beats> > > Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM> > > Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi> > > Yoga Pt: 21:40 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su> > > Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap> > > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis> > > ============ ========= ===> > > Sun Good Placement, > > > Moon Good Placement, Bright,> > > Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, > > > Mercury Bad Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, > > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 98%, > > > Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 43%, > > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > > > Rashi Chart> > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > > *9 * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * JU 22:07* ME 09:23* * > > > * * * * * SU 13:08* > > > *RA 08:29 * 7 AS 24:27 * 5 VE 29:56* > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** * * ** > > > *10 MO 05:12 * 4 MA 19:23 * > > > ** * * ** > > > *11* * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > *SAR27:09 * 1 * 3 KE 08:29* > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > > > > > Navamsha> > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > > ** 3 * * 1 ** > > > *4 * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * SAR * * * * > > > * RA * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > *SU * 2 AS * 12 ME * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** * * ** > > > *5 * 11 MO * > > > ** * * ** > > > *6 * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * 8 * 10 JU * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * MA * * > > > * * * * VE * * > > > * * * * KE * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** 7 * * 9 ** > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******* > > > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis> > > ============ ========= ===> > > Su/Me 14.8.1936> > > Su/Ke 20.6.1937> > > Su/Ve 26.10.1937> > > Mo/Mo 27.10.1938> > > Mo/Ma 27.8.1939> > > Mo/Ra 27.3.1940> > > Mo/Ju 26.9.1941> > > Mo/Sa 26.1.1943> > > Mo/Me 26.8.1944> > > Mo/Ke 26.1.1946> > > Mo/Ve 27.8.1946> > > Mo/Su 26.4.1948> > > Ma/Ma 26.10.1948> > > Ma/Ra 24.3.1949> > > Ma/Ju 12.4.1950> > > Ma/Sa 19.3.1951> > > Ma/Me 26.4.1952> > > Ma/Ke 24.4.1953> > > Ma/Ve 20.9.1953> > > Ma/Su 20.11.1954> > > Ma/Mo 28.3.1955> > > Ra/Ra 27.10.1955> > > Ra/Ju 9.7.1958> > > Ra/Sa 2.12.1960> > > Ra/Me 8.10.1963> > > Ra/Ke 27.4.1966> > > Ra/Ve 15.5.1967> > > Ra/Su 15.5.1970> > > Ra/Mo 9.4.1971> > > Ra/Ma 8.10.1972> > > Ju/Ju 26.10.1973> > > Ju/Sa 14.12.1975> > > Ju/Me 27.6.1978> > > Ju/Ke 2.10.1980> > > Ju/Ve 8.9.1981> > > Ju/Su 9.5.1984> > > Ju/Mo 25.2.1985> > > Ju/Ma 27.6.1986> > > Ju/Ra 3.6.1987> > > Sa/Sa 26.10.1989> > > Sa/Me 29.10.1992> > > Sa/Ke 9.7.1995> > > Sa/Ve 17.8.1996> > > Sa/Su 18.10.1999> > > Sa/Mo 29.9.2000> > > Sa/Ma 30.4.2002> > > Sa/Ra 9.6.2003> > > Sa/Ju 15.4.2006> > > Me/Me 26.10.2008> > > Me/Ke 25.3.2011> > > Me/Ve 21.3.2012> > > Me/Su 20.1.2015> > > Me/Mo 26.11.2015> > > Me/Ma 27.4.2017> > > Me/Ra 24.4.2018> > > Me/Ju 10.11.2020> > > Me/Sa 16.2.2023> > > Ke/Ke 26.10.2025> > > Ke/Ve 24.3.2026> > > Ke/Su 25.5.2027> > > Ke/Mo 29.9.2027> > > Ke/Ma 29.4.2028> > > Ke/Ra 26.9.2028> > > Ke/Ju 14.10.2029> > > Ke/Sa 20.9.2030> > > Ke/Me 30.10.2031> > > Ve/Ve 26.10.2032> > > Ve/Su 26.2.2036> > > Ve/Mo 25.2.2037> > > Ve/Ma 27.10.2038> > > Ve/Ra 27.12.2039> > > Ve/Ju 26.12.2042> > > Ve/Sa 26.8.2045> > > Ve/Me 26.10.2048> > > Ve/Ke 27.8.2051> > > Hi mother says he was born at 11:00 on a Saturday (it was Friday).> > > > http://www.realclea rpolitics. com/video_ log/2008/ 05/mccain_ johnnys_mom_> web_video.html> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 RonDay wrote: > I believe McCain would be mainly pitta, being a person of action with > drive, courage and initiative. According to one report he has ferocious > unpredictable temper. What a president! These are pitta characteristics. And a very dangerous one at that flying off the handle during a crisis. Yes he definitely has visible pitta characteristics. Now you should also apply the same procedure to Obama and see why he is so cool, calm and collected which is what you actually need in a time of crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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