Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Dear friends, Today, the Democratic panel considers delegate plans http://news./s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble It will be interesting to know what the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Party decides tomorrow with respect to the controversial issue of seating the delegates of 'renegade' states, Florida (210 delegates) and Michigan (156). Clinton won both contests. However, Obama was not on the ticket in Michigan. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/michigan.florida.voters/index.html Whatever the Rules Committee decides, the outcome risks being interpreted as favouring one candidate over the other. We´ll see. On Tuesday, 3 June, the remaining primaries will be held. It is likely Clinton will carry Puerto Rico (55 delegates) but South Dakota and Montana (total of 31 delegates) are less certain. After that, the time will have come for the uncommitted super delegates to chose their candidate. We will then know if Hillary Clinton has a fighting chance or if Barack Obama has for all intents and purposes sowed up the nomination. Only then can the real Presidential contest begin. Best, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Dear list members, The Rules Committee deal is that Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated at the convention but only get half a vote each. This means that a) Obama's total delegate count increases to 2,052, and Clinton's to 1,877.5. b) The mininum necessary to clinch the nomination has increased to 2,118. c) Hillary Clinton could appeal the decision to the Credentials Committee at the Convention in late August. The final primaries will be held on Tuesday, June 3, in Puerto Rica, South Dakota and Montana, with 86 delegates between them. There are several hundred uncommitted super delegates that are supposed to make up their minds after the primaries are over. Best, Thor Officials say Fla., Mich. delegates will get half-votes May 31 07:11 PM US/EasternBy NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHYAssociated Press Writers Write a Comment WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic party officials said a committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through. Clinton's chief delegate hunter Harold Ickes angrily informed the committee that Clinton had instructed him to reserve her right to appeal the matter to the Democrats' credentials committee, which could potentially drag the matter to the party's convention in August. "There's been a lot of talk about party unity—let's all come together, and put our arms around each other," said Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee that approved the deal. "I submit to you ladies and gentlemen, hijacking four delegates ... is not a good way to start down the path of party unity." The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot. Clinton's camp insisted Obama shouldn't get any pledged delegates in Michigan since he chose not to put his name on the ballot, and she should get 73 pledged delegates with 55 uncommitted. Obama's team insisted the only fair solution was to split the pledged delegates in half between the two campaigns, with 64 each. The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal. They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty. The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days. Proponents of full seating continuously interrupted the committee members as they explained their support of the compromise, then supporters of the deal shouted back. "Shut up!" one woman shouted at another. "You shut up!" the second woman shouted back. Jim Roosevelt, co-chair of the committee, tried repeatedly to gavel it to order. "You are dishonoring your candidate when you disrupt the speakers," he chided. Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida. Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5. A proposal favored by Clinton that would have fully seated the Florida delegation fully in accordance with the January primary went down with 12 votes in support and 15 against. Tina Fluornoy, who led Clinton's efforts to seat both states' delegations with full voting power, said she was disappointed by the outcome but knew the Clinton position had "no chance" of passing the committee. "I understand the rules. ... I can tell you one thing that has driven these rules was being a party of inclusion," Fluornoy said. "I wish my colleagues will vote differently." The committee unanimously approved a measure supported by the Obama campaign that sat the delegates according to Clinton's winning vote in the Florida contest, but penalized the delegation by allowing each only half a vote. "We just blew the election!" a woman in the audience shouted. The crowd was divided between cheering Obama supporters and booing Clinton supporters. "This isn't unity! Count all the votes!" another audience member yelled. Alice Huffman, a Clinton supporter on the committee, explained that the compromise was the next best thing to full seating. "We will leave here more united than we came," she said. Some audience members heckled her in response. "Lipstick on a pig!" one shouted. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D910TNI00 & show_article=1 Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:23:34 PM Democratic primaries coming to an end Dear friends, Today, the Democratic panel considers delegate plans http://news./s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble It will be interesting to know what the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Party decides tomorrow with respect to the controversial issue of seating the delegates of 'renegade' states, Florida (210 delegates) and Michigan (156). Clinton won both contests. However, Obama was not on the ticket in Michigan. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/michigan.florida.voters/index.html Whatever the Rules Committee decides, the outcome risks being interpreted as favouring one candidate over the other. We´ll see. On Tuesday, 3 June, the remaining primaries will be held. It is likely Clinton will carry Puerto Rico (55 delegates) but South Dakota and Montana (total of 31 delegates) are less certain. After that, the time will have come for the uncommitted super delegates to chose their candidate. We will then know if Hillary Clinton has a fighting chance or if Barack Obama has for all intents and purposes sowed up the nomination. Only then can the real Presidential contest begin. Best, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Dear friends, Hillary Clinton continues to show her mettle in her relentless fight for the Parties nomination, in spite of tremendous opposition by the Party leaders who want to end the competition in order to unify the party at this time around the presumptive leader, Barack Obama. Best, Thor Clinton defies party leaders; eyes Puerto Rico win By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 13 minutes ago SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, newly defiant against her own party leaders, sought a victory Sunday in Puerto Rico's presidential primary that would give her a toehold on an increasingly slippery path to the nomination. The island territory, once a political asterisk in presidential contests, stood as Clinton's last best electoral chance. She, former President Clinton and their daughter Chelsea have spent a combined 15 days in the commonwealth hoping to keep her relevant in the contest. Sunday's vote follows the decision Saturday by a panel of the Democratic National Committee to give each Michigan and Florida delegate a half vote at this summer's convention. It was a compromise that did no harm to Obama's near claim to the nomination but infuriated the Clinton camp and prompted new threats to carry the fight to the August convention. "This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our party," the Clinton campaign said in a joint statement from Harold Ickes and Tina Flournoy, two of her advisers. The deal by the party's Rules Committee placed Obama 66 delegates short of the total he needs to clinch the nomination. The election Sunday and two final primaries Tuesday will close that gap, and Obama could attract enough superdelegates to secure the nomination this week. Clinton campaigned hard in Puerto Rico, spending several hours Saturday on the back of a pickup truck in a salsa-blasting, 40-vehicle caravan through the outskirts of San Juan. In a sign that her supporters were unwilling to give up, an outside group financed by her labor backers bought $150,000 worth of television ads on the island promoting her views. The group, the American Leadership Project, was also spending $300,000 on ads in Tuesday's primary states of Montana and South Dakota, states where Obama is deemed the favorite. Clinton planned to campaign in South Dakota Monday. Saturday's party meeting did strengthen one of Clinton's key arguments for staying in the fight. In seating the Michigan and Florida delegates, party leaders tacitly acknowledged her popular vote dominance in those states. By including the Michigan and Florida results, Clinton can claim to have won the most popular votes since the primaries and caucuses began in January. Both states were punished by the DNC for moving up their contests in violation of party rules and the party had refused to recognize the votes. The candidates did not campaign in either state and Obama withdrew his name from the Michigan ballot. While polls show her holding a lead in Puerto Rico, officials here don't expect an exceptionally large turnout. That means Clinton might not get a huge influx of popular votes. http://news./s/ap/20080601/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:47:34 PMRe: Democratic primaries coming to an end Dear list members, The Rules Committee deal is that Florida and Michigan delegates will be seated at the convention but only get half a vote each. This means that a) Obama's total delegate count increases to 2,052, and Clinton's to 1,877.5. b) The mininum necessary to clinch the nomination has increased to 2,118. c) Hillary Clinton could appeal the decision to the Credentials Committee at the Convention in late August. The final primaries will be held on Tuesday, June 3, in Puerto Rica, South Dakota and Montana, with 86 delegates between them. There are several hundred uncommitted super delegates that are supposed to make up their minds after the primaries are over. Best, Thor Officials say Fla., Mich. delegates will get half-votes May 31 07:11 PM US/EasternBy NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHYAssociated Press Writers Write a Comment WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic party officials said a committee agreed Saturday on a compromise to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes after Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton failed to get enough support to force their positions through. Clinton's chief delegate hunter Harold Ickes angrily informed the committee that Clinton had instructed him to reserve her right to appeal the matter to the Democrats' credentials committee, which could potentially drag the matter to the party's convention in August. "There's been a lot of talk about party unity—let's all come together, and put our arms around each other," said Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee that approved the deal. "I submit to you ladies and gentlemen, hijacking four delegates ... is not a good way to start down the path of party unity." The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot. Clinton's camp insisted Obama shouldn't get any pledged delegates in Michigan since he chose not to put his name on the ballot, and she should get 73 pledged delegates with 55 uncommitted. Obama's team insisted the only fair solution was to split the pledged delegates in half between the two campaigns, with 64 each. The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal. They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty. The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days. Proponents of full seating continuously interrupted the committee members as they explained their support of the compromise, then supporters of the deal shouted back. "Shut up!" one woman shouted at another. "You shut up!" the second woman shouted back. Jim Roosevelt, co-chair of the committee, tried repeatedly to gavel it to order. "You are dishonoring your candidate when you disrupt the speakers," he chided. Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida. Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5. A proposal favored by Clinton that would have fully seated the Florida delegation fully in accordance with the January primary went down with 12 votes in support and 15 against. Tina Fluornoy, who led Clinton's efforts to seat both states' delegations with full voting power, said she was disappointed by the outcome but knew the Clinton position had "no chance" of passing the committee. "I understand the rules. ... I can tell you one thing that has driven these rules was being a party of inclusion," Fluornoy said. "I wish my colleagues will vote differently." The committee unanimously approved a measure supported by the Obama campaign that sat the delegates according to Clinton's winning vote in the Florida contest, but penalized the delegation by allowing each only half a vote. "We just blew the election!" a woman in the audience shouted. The crowd was divided between cheering Obama supporters and booing Clinton supporters. "This isn't unity! Count all the votes!" another audience member yelled. Alice Huffman, a Clinton supporter on the committee, explained that the compromise was the next best thing to full seating. "We will leave here more united than we came," she said. Some audience members heckled her in response. "Lipstick on a pig!" one shouted. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D910TNI00 & show_article=1 Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:23:34 PM Democratic primaries coming to an end Dear friends, Today, the Democratic panel considers delegate plans http://news./s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble It will be interesting to know what the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Party decides tomorrow with respect to the controversial issue of seating the delegates of 'renegade' states, Florida (210 delegates) and Michigan (156). Clinton won both contests. However, Obama was not on the ticket in Michigan. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/michigan.florida.voters/index.html Whatever the Rules Committee decides, the outcome risks being interpreted as favouring one candidate over the other. We´ll see. On Tuesday, 3 June, the remaining primaries will be held. It is likely Clinton will carry Puerto Rico (55 delegates) but South Dakota and Montana (total of 31 delegates) are less certain. After that, the time will have come for the uncommitted super delegates to chose their candidate. We will then know if Hillary Clinton has a fighting chance or if Barack Obama has for all intents and purposes sowed up the nomination. Only then can the real Presidential contest begin. Best, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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