Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of authentic charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

 

As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008, there were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of Pervez Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

 

In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan had become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

 

 

if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen. (powerless Venus sub-period)

 

by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful Sun sub-period)

 

by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains (nodal station on his natal Sun)

 

during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult time (other malefic transits)

Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised. Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be realised.

 

In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected which is considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news he is now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he will step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a difficult time for him.

 

Best,

 

Thor

 

November 3, 2007

“The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

 

1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side, undermining his power.

 

2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes and L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great deal of trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7 aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary. is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

 

3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December, where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters Scoprio H1.

 

4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position should thus increase in late November.

 

5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it is the real source of his political power and what makes him a leader.

 

Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and remain head of state for some more time. However, the present transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with another crisis. “

 

 

February 16, 2008

“As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-Sun

period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of his 9th

house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme turbulence he

encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly powerless Venus

was operating in his chart. During the present nodal transit, which

is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house, his income

or public aspirations could be severely strained or disturbed.

On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-period

begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and receives

an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While the Moon

is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the Sun is

boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th house. The

Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-like house.

This should therefore be a lucky period for him.

From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his Sun and

become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put great

strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord Saturn will be

passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the 10th

house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to disturb his

peace of mind.

Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over the

natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult time for him

when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be helpful to

him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house exactly

opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting his transit

6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is badly placed

natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for him.”

 

February 18, 2008

“In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and SUN sub-period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is moderately strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and 3rd houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord MOON, the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it weakens the Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

 

On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly his 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor of the Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will be at 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10' Leo and 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period lord, the Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal placement of Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled in such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these malefics natally.

 

Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be faced with a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun and Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

 

As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard to predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple of weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

 

That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02' Cancer. At that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis.”

[Guest guest]

Hello dear list,

 

As predicted, Musharraf is now coming under increased pressure and

having to fend off calls for his removal from office and entry

into exile.

 

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Page last updated at 10:31 GMT, Saturday, 7 June 2008 11:31 UK

Musharraf says he will not resign

General Musharraf has faced repeated calls to step down

Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf has said he has no immediate

plans to resign and go into exile.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7441583.stm

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The CONJUNCTION of 6th lord MARS with KETU over his natal 10th lord

SUN is adding to the pressue.

 

As my posts from November 2007 show, the POWER of SA to ACCURATELY

INTERPRET a NATAL CHART and PREDICT based on it is there FOR ALL TO

SEE.

 

Best,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>  

> To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of authentic

charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

> As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008, there

were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of Pervez

Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

> In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan had

become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate

downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

> 1.  if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November

2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen.

(powerless Venus sub-period)

> 2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful Sun

sub-period)

> 3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains (nodal

station on his natal Sun)

> 4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult

time (other malefic transits)

> Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised.

> Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be realised.

> In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected which is

considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news he is

now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he will

step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a difficult

time for him.

> Best,

>  

> Thor

>  

> November 3, 2007

> " The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the

developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

>  

> 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is

at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not

surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,

undermining his power.

>  

> 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes and

L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great deal of

trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his

chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary.

is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from

the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

>  

> 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now

entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is

still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December,

where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in

transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

Scoprio H1.

>  

> 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him

protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where

it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on

22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move

into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position

should thus increase in late November.

>  

> 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As

L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it

is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

leader.

>  

> Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid

January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and

remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun

will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

another crisis.  "

>  

>  

> February 16, 2008

> " As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-Sun

>  period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of his 9th

>  house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

>  strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme turbulence he

>  encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly powerless

Venus

>  was operating in his chart. During the present nodal transit,

which

>  is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house, his

income

>  or public aspirations could be severely strained or disturbed.

>   

> On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-period

>  begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and

receives

>  an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While the

Moon

>  is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the Sun

is

>  boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th house.

The

>  Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-like

house.

>  This should therefore bea lucky period for him.

>   

> From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his Sun and

>  become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put great

>  strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord Saturn will

be

>  passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the 10th

>  house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to disturb his

>  peace of mind.

>   

> Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over the

>  natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult time for

him

>  when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be helpful

to

>  him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house exactly

>  opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting his

transit

>  6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is badly

placed

>  natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for him. "

>  

> February 18, 2008

> " In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and SUN sub-

period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is moderately

strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and 3rd

houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord MOON,

the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it weakens the

Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

>  

> On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the

stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly his

11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor of the

Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will be at

11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10' Leo and

6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period lord, the

Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal placement of

Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled in

such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit

Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these malefics

natally.

>  

> Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be faced with

a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun and

Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

>  

> As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard to

predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the

period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the

transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple of

weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

>  

> That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become

stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to

September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02' Cancer. At

that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis. "

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf to face

increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this summer,

which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in the 9th

house have been realised.

 

The government coalition parties have been in talks whether to

impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The President

has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in Beijing

tomorrow.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK

Ruling parties in Musharraf talks

 

Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to begin

moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following three

days of talks.

 

Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the opening

of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel the trip

entirely.

 

The president's allies were defeated in elections in February, but he

has so far resisted pressure to quit.

 

 

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>  

> To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of authentic

charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

> As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008, there

were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of Pervez

Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

> In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan had

become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate

downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

> 1.  if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November

2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen.

(powerless Venus sub-period)

> 2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful Sun

sub-period)

> 3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains (nodal

station on his natal Sun)

> 4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult

time (other malefic transits)

> Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised.

> Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be realised.

> In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected which is

considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news he is

now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he will

step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a difficult

time for him.

> Best,

>  

> Thor

>  

> November 3, 2007

> " The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the

developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

>  

> 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is

at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not

surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,

undermining his power.

>  

> 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes and

L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great deal of

trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his

chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary.

is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from

the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

>  

> 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now

entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is

still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December,

where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in

transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

Scoprio H1.

>  

> 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him

protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where

it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on

22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move

into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position

should thus increase in late November.

>  

> 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As

L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it

is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

leader.

>  

> Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid

January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and

remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun

will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

another crisis.  "

>  

>  

> February 16, 2008

> " As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-Sun

>  period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of his 9th

>  house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

>  strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme turbulence he

>  encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly powerless

Venus

>  was operating in his chart. During the present nodal transit,

which

>  is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house, his

income

>  or public aspirations could be severely strained or disturbed.

>   

> On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-period

>  begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and

receives

>  an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While the

Moon

>  is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the Sun

is

>  boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th house.

The

>  Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-like

house.

>  This should therefore bea lucky period for him.

>   

> From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his Sun and

>  become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put great

>  strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord Saturn will

be

>  passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the 10th

>  house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to disturb his

>  peace of mind.

>   

> Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over the

>  natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult time for

him

>  when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be helpful

to

>  him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house exactly

>  opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting his

transit

>  6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is badly

placed

>  natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for him. "

>  

> February 18, 2008

> " In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and SUN sub-

period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is moderately

strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and 3rd

houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord MOON,

the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it weakens the

Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

>  

> On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the

stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly his

11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor of the

Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will be at

11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10' Leo and

6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period lord, the

Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal placement of

Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled in

such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit

Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these malefics

natally.

>  

> Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be faced with

a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun and

Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

>  

> As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard to

predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the

period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the

transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple of

weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

>  

> That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become

stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to

September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02' Cancer. At

that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis. "

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

The battle is on:

Pakistan coalition to pursue Musharraf impeachment

 

Story Highlights

* Pakistan's govt. confirmed it will move to impeach President Pervez

Musharraf

* Musharraf may still move to dissolve parliament and dismiss the PM

* PM Yousaf Raza Gilani will replace Musharraf at the Olympic opening

ceremony

* Musharraf seized power in a 1999 military coup

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/07/pakistan.impeach/index

..html

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf to face

> increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this

summer,

> which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in the

9th

> house have been realised.

>

> The government coalition parties have been in talks whether to

> impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The President

> has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in Beijing

> tomorrow.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> 09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK

> Ruling parties in Musharraf talks

>

> Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to begin

> moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following three

> days of talks.

>

> Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the

opening

> of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel the trip

> entirely.

>

> The president's allies were defeated in elections in February, but

he

> has so far resisted pressure to quit.

>

>

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >  

> > To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of

authentic

> charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

> > As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008, there

> were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of Pervez

> Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

> > In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan had

> become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate

> downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

> > 1.  if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November

> 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen.

> (powerless Venus sub-period)

> > 2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful Sun

> sub-period)

> > 3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains (nodal

> station on his natal Sun)

> > 4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult

> time (other malefic transits)

> > Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised.

> > Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be realised.

> > In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected which

is

> considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news he

is

> now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he will

> step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a difficult

> time for him.

> > Best,

> >  

> > Thor

> >  

> > November 3, 2007

> > " The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the

> developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

> >  

> > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is

> at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is

therefore not

> surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

> government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,

> undermining his power.

> >  

> > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes

and

> L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great deal

of

> trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

> aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his

> chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer

stationary.

> is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from

> the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

> >  

> > 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now

> entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is

> still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

> increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December,

> where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in

> transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

> Scoprio H1.

> >  

> > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him

> protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where

> it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on

> 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move

> into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position

> should thus increase in late November.

> >  

> > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As

> L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP

it

> is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

> leader.

> >  

> > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

> middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid

> January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power

and

> remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his

Sun

> will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

> middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

> another crisis.  "

> >  

> >  

> > February 16, 2008

> > " As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-Sun

> >  period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of his

9th

> >  house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

> >  strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme turbulence he

> >  encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly powerless

> Venus

> >  was operating in his chart. During the present nodal transit,

> which

> >  is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house, his

> income

> >  or public aspirations could be severely strained or disturbed.

> >   

> > On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-period

> >  begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and

> receives

> >  an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While the

> Moon

> >  is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the Sun

> is

> >  boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th house.

> The

> >  Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-like

> house.

> >  This should therefore bea lucky period for him.

> >   

> > From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his Sun

and

> >  become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put great

> >  strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord Saturn

will

> be

> >  passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the 10th

> >  house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to disturb

his

> >  peace of mind.

> >   

> > Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over the

> >  natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult time

for

> him

> >  when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be helpful

> to

> >  him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house exactly

> >  opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting his

> transit

> >  6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is badly

> placed

> >  natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for him. "

> >  

> > February 18, 2008

> > " In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and SUN

sub-

> period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is

moderately

> strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and 3rd

> houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord

MOON,

> the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it weakens

the

> Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

> >  

> > On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the

> stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly his

> 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor of

the

> Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will be

at

> 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10' Leo

and

> 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period lord,

the

> Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal placement

of

> Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled in

> such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit

> Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these

malefics

> natally.

> >  

> > Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be faced

with

> a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun and

> Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

> >  

> > As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard to

> predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the

> period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the

> transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple of

> weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

> >  

> > That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become

> stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to

> September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02' Cancer.

At

> that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis. "

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

The prediction on SAMVA on November 4, 2007 has been realised:

 

"Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until themiddle of this month, it is likely his position will begin toincrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until midJanuary 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power andremain head of state for some more time. However, the presenttransits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sunwill be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during themiddle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted withanother crisis. "

 

The BBC reports the government is now working to oust him. The nodes are having their effect. Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun with the stationary nodal axis is only a few days ago, and sufficiently close to the time of the eclipse on August 1, 2008 to matter. Today, transit 6th lord Mars is exactly conjunct his 10th house MEP. Transit 4th lord SATURN is also exactly conjunct his 6th lord MARS at 13° 17' Leo and 10th house. Transit 9th lord MOON, the dispositor of his natal SUN, is also badly placed in the 12th house and hence its protective power is reduced.

 

In a few days time, transit 12th lord VENUS, now at 8° Leo, will move over his natal Rahu at 11° 10' Leo and 10th house. At that time, transit 10th lord SUN will also have become exactly conjunct the stationary nodal axis. From this we can see that todays events are well explained by the transits and that the problems will likely continue for Musharraf through the weekend. With both his natal and transit 10th lord SUN afflicted by the stationary nodes while its dispositor has become temporarily weak in transit, explains why his troubles have now suddenly erupted. With Moon remaining weak over the weekend, being debilitated in his 1st house, it is possible he will experience some setback in coming days. That said, we should note the natal strength of the SUN, indicating a reserve of strength which may prevent lasting damage. Maybe some compromise will be struck or there may be pressure brought to bear on the situation

from his US ally, President Bush. Interesting chart and situation.

 

I'd be interested in others view on this chart and likely outcome.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:07:14 PM Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf of PakistanDear friends,The battle is on:Pakistan coalition to pursue Musharraf impeachment Story Highlights* Pakistan's govt. confirmed it will move to impeach President Pervez Musharraf* Musharraf may still move to dissolve parliament and dismiss the PM* PM Yousaf Raza Gilani will replace Musharraf at the Olympic opening ceremony* Musharraf seized power in a 1999 military couphttp://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/07/pakistan.impeach/index.htmlBest wishes,ThorSAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear friends,> > The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf to face > increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this summer, > which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in the 9th > house have been realised.> > The government coalition parties have been in talks whether to > impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The President > has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in Beijing > tomorrow. > > Best wishes,> > Thor> > 09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK> Ruling parties in Musharraf talks > > Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to begin

> moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following three > days of talks. > > Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the opening > of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel the trip > entirely. > > The president's allies were defeated in elections in February, but he > has so far resisted pressure to quit. > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> > > > To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of authentic > charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.> > As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008, there > were some exchanges on this list concerning the

fortunes of Pervez > Musharraff, the President of Pakistan. > > In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan had > become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate > downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that > > 1. if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November > 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen. > (powerless Venus sub-period)> > 2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful Sun > sub-period)> > 3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains (nodal > station on his natal Sun)> > 4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult > time (other malefic transits)> > Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised. > > Moreover, it looks like

prediction 3 has begun to be realised. > > In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected which is > considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news he is > now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he will > step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a difficult > time for him.> > Best,> > > > Thor> > > > November 3, 2007 > > "The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.> > > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is therefore not > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of > government and religious groups have become a thorn in

his side, > undermining his power. > > > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes and > L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great deal of > trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7 > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer stationary. > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.> > > > 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December, > where it

will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters > Scoprio H1.> > > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position > should thus increase in late November. > > > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP it > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a > leader. > > > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present

challenge until the > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with > another crisis. "> > > > > > February 16, 2008> > "As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-Sun > > period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of his 9th > > house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has > > strengthened in the Sun

period, after the extreme turbulence he > > encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly powerless > Venus > > was operating in his chart. During the present nodal transit, > which > > is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house, his > income > > or public aspirations could be severely strained or disturbed.> > > > On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-period > > begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and > receives > > an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While the > Moon > > is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the Sun > is > > boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th house. > The > > Sun and Moon gain extra strength by

being placed in a Sun-like > house. > > This should therefore bea lucky period for him.> > > > From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his Sun and > > become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put great > > strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord Saturn will > be > > passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the 10th > > house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to disturb his > > peace of mind. > > > > Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over the > > natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult time for > him > > when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be helpful > to > > him to have transit

2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house exactly > > opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting his > transit > > 6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is badly > placed > > natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for him."> > > > February 18, 2008> > "In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and SUN sub-> period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is moderately > strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and 3rd > houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord MOON, > the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it weakens the > Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful. > > > > On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the > stationary

nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly his > 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor of the > Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will be at > 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10' Leo and > 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period lord, the > Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal placement of > Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled in > such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit > Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these malefics > natally. > > > > Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be faced with > a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun and > Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.>

> > > As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard to > predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the > period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the > transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple of > weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve. > > > > That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become > stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to > September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02' Cancer. At > that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis."> >>---

[Guest guest]

Correction:

Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun with the stationary nodal axis

is only a few days AWAY,

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

> The prediction on SAMVA on November 4, 2007 has been realised:

> " Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

> middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid

> January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and

> remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun

> will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

> middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

> another crisis.  "

> The BBC reports the government is now working to oust him. The

nodes are having their effect. Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun

with the stationary nodal axis is only a few days AWAY, and

sufficiently close to the time of the eclipse on August 1, 2008 to

matter. Today, transit 6th lord Mars is exactly conjunct his 10th

house MEP. Transit 4th lord SATURN is also exactly conjunct his 6th

lord MARS at 13° 17' Leo and 10th house. Transit 9th lord MOON, the

dispositor of his natal SUN, is also badly placed in the 12th house

and hence its protective power is reduced.

> In a few days time, transit 12th lord VENUS, now at 8° Leo, will

move over his natal Rahu at 11° 10' Leo and 10th house. At that time,

transit 10th lord SUN will also have become exactly conjunct the

stationary nodal axis. From this we can see that todays events are

well explained by the transits and that the problems will likely

continue for Musharraf through the weekend. With both his natal and

transit 10th lord SUN afflicted by the stationary nodes while its

dispositor has become temporarily weak in transit, explains why his

troubles have now suddenly erupted. With Moon remaining weak over the

weekend, being debilitated in his 1st house, it is possible he will

experience some setback in coming days. That said, we should note the

natal strength of the SUN, indicating a reserve of strength which may

prevent lasting damage. Maybe some compromise will be struck or there

may be pressure brought to bear on the situation from his US ally,

President

> Bush. Interesting chart and situation.

> I'd be interested in others view on this chart and likely outcome.

> Best wishes,

> Thor

>

>

>

>

>

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:07:14 PM

> Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf of

Pakistan

>

> Dear friends,

>

> The battle is on:

> Pakistan coalition to pursue Musharraf impeachment

>

> Story Highlights

> * Pakistan's govt. confirmed it will move to impeach President

Pervez

> Musharraf

> * Musharraf may still move to dissolve parliament and dismiss the PM

> * PM Yousaf Raza Gilani will replace Musharraf at the Olympic

opening

> ceremony

> * Musharraf seized power in a 1999 military coup

>

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/08/07/pakistan.impeach/index

> .html

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf to

face

> > increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this

> summer,

> > which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in the

> 9th

> > house have been realised.

> >

> > The government coalition parties have been in talks whether to

> > impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The

President

> > has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in Beijing

> > tomorrow.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > 09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK

> > Ruling parties in Musharraf talks 

> > 

> > Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to begin

> > moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following

three

> > days of talks.

> >

> > Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the

> opening

> > of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel the

trip

> > entirely.

> >

> > The president's allies were defeated in elections in February,

but

> he

> > has so far resisted pressure to quit.

> >

> > 

> >

> > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >  

> > > To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of

> authentic

> > charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

> > > As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008,

there

> > were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of

Pervez

> > Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

> > > In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan had

> > become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate

> > downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

> > >     1.  if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November

> > 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen.

> > (powerless Venus sub-period)

> > >     2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful Sun

> > sub-period)

> > >     3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains

(nodal

> > station on his natal Sun)

> > >     4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult

> > time (other malefic transits)

> > > Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised.

> > > Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be realised.

> > > In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected which

> is

> > considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news

he

> is

> > now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he

will

> > step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a

difficult

> > time for him.

> > > Best,

> > >  

> > > Thor

> > >  

> > > November 3, 2007

> > > " The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing

the

> > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

> > >  

> > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus

is

> > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is

> therefore not

> > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

> > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side,

> > undermining his power.

> > >  

> > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes

> and

> > L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great

deal

> of

> > trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

> > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his

> > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer

> stationary.

> > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed

from

> > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

> > >  

> > > 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but

has now

> > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it

is

> > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an

> > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1

December,

> > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak

in

> > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

> > Scoprio H1.

> > >  

> > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving

him

> > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12,

where

> > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2

on

> > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will

move

> > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his

position

> > should thus increase in late November.

> > >  

> > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period.

As

> > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP

> it

> > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

> > leader.

> > >  

> > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

> > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until

mid

> > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power

> and

> > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his

> Sun

> > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during

the

> > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

> > another crisis.  "

> > >  

> > >  

> > > February 16, 2008

> > > " As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-

Sun

> > >  period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of his

> 9th

> > >  house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

> > >  strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme turbulence

he

> > >  encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly

powerless

> > Venus

> > >  was operating in his chart. During the present nodal transit,

> > which

> > >  is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house, his

> > income

> > >  or public aspirations could be severely strained or disturbed.

> > >   

> > > On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-period

> > >  begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and

> > receives

> > >  an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While the

> > Moon

> > >  is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the

Sun

> > is

> > >  boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th

house.

> > The

> > >  Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-like

> > house.

> > >  This should therefore bea lucky period for him.

> > >   

> > > From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his Sun

> and

> > >  become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put

great

> > >  strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord Saturn

> will

> > be

> > >  passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the

10th

> > >  house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to disturb

> his

> > >  peace of mind.

> > >   

> > > Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over

the

> > >  natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult time

> for

> > him

> > >  when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be

helpful

> > to

> > >  him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house exactly

> > >  opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting his

> > transit

> > >  6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is badly

> > placed

> > >  natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for him. "

> > >  

> > > February 18, 2008

> > > " In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and SUN

> sub-

> > period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is

> moderately

> > strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and 3rd

> > houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord

> MOON,

> > the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it weakens

> the

> > Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

> > >  

> > > On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the

> > stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly his

> > 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor of

> the

> > Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will be

> at

> > 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10' Leo

> and

> > 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period lord,

> the

> > Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal

placement

> of

> > Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled

in

> > such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit

> > Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these

> malefics

> > natally.

> > >  

> > > Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be faced

> with

> > a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun and

> > Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

> > >  

> > > As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard

to

> > predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the

> > period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the

> > transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple of

> > weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

> > >  

> > > That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become

> > stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to

> > September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02' Cancer.

> At

> > that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis. "

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

Ur analysis is exact. In my view the most crucial day could be 11 august 2008, as on this day his present sub period lord moon shall be debiliated in tr and exactly afflicted by tr ketu. At that time tr and natal sun are also exactly afflicted by nodes.Lord of 6h which helps in overcoming enemies i.e. mars in tr is in infant and has only 20% strength. The planets transiting thru his h10 also become weak due to weakness of their disp sun.Thus on 11 aug 2008 at around 17 hrs ( pakistan time ) could be very crucial and could be a turning point of his life.So lets wait and watch for coming days.Best Regards Ajay.--- On Thu, 8/7/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

cosmologer <cosmologer Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf of PakistanSAMVA Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:21 PM

 

 

Correction:Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun with the stationary nodal axis is only a few days AWAY, SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends,> The prediction on SAMVA on November 4, 2007 has been realised:> "Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the> middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to> incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid> January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power and> remain head of state for some more time. However, the present> transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his Sun> will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the> middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be

confronted with> another crisis. "> The BBC reports the government is now working to oust him. The nodes are having their effect. Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun with the stationary nodal axis is only a few days AWAY, and sufficiently close to the time of the eclipse on August 1, 2008 to matter. Today, transit 6th lord Mars is exactly conjunct his 10th house MEP. Transit 4th lord SATURN is also exactly conjunct his 6th lord MARS at 13° 17' Leo and 10th house. Transit 9th lord MOON, the dispositor of his natal SUN, is also badly placed in the 12th house and hence its protective power is reduced.> In a few days time, transit 12th lord VENUS, now at 8° Leo, will move over his natal Rahu at 11° 10' Leo and 10th house. At that time, transit 10th lord SUN will also have become exactly conjunct the stationary nodal axis. From this we can

see that todays events are well explained by the transits and that the problems will likely continue for Musharraf through the weekend. With both his natal and transit 10th lord SUN afflicted by the stationary nodes while its dispositor has become temporarily weak in transit, explains why his troubles have now suddenly erupted. With Moon remaining weak over the weekend, being debilitated in his 1st house, it is possible he will experience some setback in coming days. That said, we should note the natal strength of the SUN, indicating a reserve of strength which may prevent lasting damage. Maybe some compromise will be struck or there may be pressure brought to bear on the situation from his US ally, President> Bush. Interesting chart and situation.> I'd be interested in others view on this chart and likely outcome.> Best wishes,> Thor> > >

> > > cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...>> SAMVA > Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:07:14 PM> Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan> > Dear friends,> > The battle is on:> Pakistan coalition to pursue Musharraf impeachment > > Story Highlights> * Pakistan's govt. confirmed it will move to impeach President Pervez > Musharraf> * Musharraf may still move to dissolve parliament and dismiss the PM> * PM Yousaf Raza Gilani will replace Musharraf at the Olympic opening > ceremony> * Musharraf seized power in a 1999 military coup> http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ WORLD/asiapcf/ 08/07/pakistan. impeach/index> .html> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> > > > The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf to face > > increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this > summer, > > which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in the > 9th > > house have been realised.> > > > The government coalition parties have been in talks whether to > > impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The President > > has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in Beijing > > tomorrow.

> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > 09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK> > Ruling parties in Musharraf talks > > > > Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to begin > > moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following three > > days of talks. > > > > Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the > opening > > of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel the trip > > entirely. > > > > The president's allies were defeated in elections in February, but > he > > has so far resisted pressure to quit. > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer

<cosmologer@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > > > > > To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of > authentic > > charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.> > > As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008, there > > were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of Pervez > > Musharraff, the President of Pakistan. > > > In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan had > > become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate > > downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that > > > 1. if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November > > 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen. > > (powerless Venus sub-period)> > >

2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful Sun > > sub-period)> > > 3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains (nodal > > station on his natal Sun)> > > 4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult > > time (other malefic transits)> > > Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised. > > > Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be realised. > > > In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected which > is > > considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news he > is > > now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he will > > step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a difficult > > time for him.> > > Best,>

> > > > > Thor> > > > > > November 3, 2007 > > > "The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing the > > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.> > > > > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As Venus is > > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is > therefore not > > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of > > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his side, > > undermining his power. > > > > > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal nodes > and > > L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great deal > of > > trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7 > >

aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in his > > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer > stationary. > > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed from > > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.> > > > > > 3. Importantly, transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but has now > > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However, it is > > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen an > > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1 December, > > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak in > > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters > > Scoprio H1.> > > > > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is

currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving him > > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12, where > > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius H2 on > > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will move > > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his position > > should thus increase in late November. > > > > > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period. As > > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9 MEP > it > > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a > > leader. > > > > > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the > > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to > >

incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until mid > > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power > and > > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present > > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his > Sun > > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the > > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with > > another crisis. "> > > > > > > > > February 16, 2008> > > "As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-Sun > > > period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of his > 9th > > > house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has > > > strengthened in the Sun period, after

the extreme turbulence he > > > encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly powerless > > Venus > > > was operating in his chart. During the present nodal transit, > > which > > > is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house, his > > income > > > or public aspirations could be severely strained or disturbed.> > > > > > On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-period > > > begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and > > receives > > > an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While the > > Moon > > > is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the Sun > > is > > > boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the

9th house. > > The > > > Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-like > > house. > > > This should therefore bea lucky period for him.> > > > > > From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his Sun > and > > > become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put great > > > strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord Saturn > will > > be > > > passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the 10th > > > house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to disturb > his > > > peace of mind. > > > > > > Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over the > > > natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This

could be a difficult time > for > > him > > > when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be helpful > > to > > > him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house exactly > > > opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting his > > transit > > > 6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is badly > > placed > > > natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for him."> > > > > > February 18, 2008> > > "In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and SUN > sub-> > period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is > moderately > > strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and 3rd > > houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord

> MOON, > > the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it weakens > the > > Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful. > > > > > > On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the > > stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly his > > 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor of > the > > Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will be > at > > 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10' Leo > and > > 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period lord, > the > > Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal placement > of > > Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled in > > such crisis in the autumn of

2007 when transit KETU and transit > > Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these > malefics > > natally. > > > > > > Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be faced > with > > a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun and > > Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.> > > > > > As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard to > > predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the > > period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the > > transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple of > > weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve. > > > > > > That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become > > stationary at around

24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to > > September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02' Cancer. > At > > that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis."> > >> >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ajay,

 

Thank you for the additional analysis.

 

Regarding the transit of 6th lord MARS, it was conjunct 10th house

MEP at the escalation of this crisis yesterday. So placed, it helps

to harm his position. In coming days, it becomes weak but well placed

in transit, which is also not helpful by temporarily reducing

his 'competitive' strength. In a message on SAMVA on June 7, 2008, I

noted the fact that " The CONJUNCTION of 6th lord MARS with KETU over

his natal 10th lord SUN is adding to the pressue. " This is when the

indications of his present troubles started taking form.

 

In a message on SAMVA on June 1, 2008, I also suggested " The

coming few months suggest a difficult time for him. "

 

It is, however, the ACCURATE PREDICTION since last year of a crisis

for the President of Pakistan " during the middle of 2008 " , based on

the analysis of the influence of the transit stationary nodes on his

Sun, that is the most important thing to note.

 

It is likely but not certain that he will experience a permanent

setback to his position in coming days. Here we must consider

impressive natal strengths against very difficult transit

afflictions to the very same natal strengths. Already, the predicted

crisis has erupted and now we can observe how it goes - including at

the specific time suggested by you.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Ur analysis is exact. In my view the most crucial day could be 11

august 2008, as on this day his present sub period lord moon shall be

debiliated in tr and exactly afflicted by tr ketu. At that time tr

and natal sun are also exactly afflicted by nodes.

>

> Lord of 6h which helps in overcoming enemies i.e. mars in tr is in

infant and has only 20% strength. The planets transiting thru his h10

also become weak due to weakness of their disp  sun.

>

> Thus on 11 aug 2008 at around 17 hrs ( pakistan time ) could be

very crucial and could be a turning point of his life.

>

> So lets wait and watch for coming days.

>

> Best Regards

>     Ajay.

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf of

Pakistan

> SAMVA

> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:21 PM

Correction:

> Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun with the stationary nodal axis

> is only a few days AWAY,

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > The prediction on SAMVA on November 4, 2007 has been realised:

> > " Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

> > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until

mid

> > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power

and

> > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his

Sun

> > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

> > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

> > another crisis.  "

> > The BBC reports the government is now working to oust him. The

> nodes are having their effect. Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun

> with the stationary nodal axis is only a few days AWAY, and

> sufficiently close to the time of the eclipse on August 1, 2008 to

> matter. Today, transit 6th lord Mars is exactly conjunct his 10th

> house MEP. Transit 4th lord SATURN is also exactly conjunct his 6th

> lord MARS at 13° 17' Leo and 10th house. Transit 9th lord MOON, the

> dispositor of his natal SUN, is also badly placed in the 12th house

> and hence its protective power is reduced.

> > In a few days time, transit 12th lord VENUS, now at 8° Leo, will

> move over his natal Rahu at 11° 10' Leo and 10th house. At that

time,

> transit 10th lord SUN will also have become exactly conjunct the

> stationary nodal axis. From this we can see that todays events are

> well explained by the transits and that the problems will likely

> continue for Musharraf through the weekend. With both his natal and

> transit 10th lord SUN afflicted by the stationary nodes while its

> dispositor has become temporarily weak in transit, explains why his

> troubles have now suddenly erupted. With Moon remaining weak over

the

> weekend, being debilitated in his 1st house, it is possible he will

> experience some setback in coming days. That said, we should note

the

> natal strength of the SUN, indicating a reserve of strength which

may

> prevent lasting damage. Maybe some compromise will be struck or

there

> may be pressure brought to bear on the situation from his US ally,

> President

> > Bush. Interesting chart and situation.

> > I'd be interested in others view on this chart and likely outcome.

> > Best wishes,

> > Thor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...>

> > SAMVA

> > Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:07:14 PM

> > Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf

of

> Pakistan

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > The battle is on:

> > Pakistan coalition to pursue Musharraf impeachment

> >

> > Story Highlights

> > * Pakistan's govt. confirmed it will move to impeach President

> Pervez

> > Musharraf

> > * Musharraf may still move to dissolve parliament and dismiss the

PM

> > * PM Yousaf Raza Gilani will replace Musharraf at the Olympic

> opening

> > ceremony

> > * Musharraf seized power in a 1999 military coup

> >

> http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ WORLD/asiapcf/ 08/07/pakistan.

impeach/index

> > .html

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf to

> face

> > > increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this

> > summer,

> > > which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in

the

> > 9th

> > > house have been realised.

> > >

> > > The government coalition parties have been in talks whether to

> > > impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The

> President

> > > has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in Beijing

> > > tomorrow.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > > 09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK

> > > Ruling parties in Musharraf talks 

> > > 

> > > Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to

begin

> > > moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following

> three

> > > days of talks.

> > >

> > > Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the

> > opening

> > > of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel the

> trip

> > > entirely.

> > >

> > > The president's allies were defeated in elections in February,

> but

> > he

> > > has so far resisted pressure to quit.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >  

> > > > To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of

> > authentic

> > > charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

> > > > As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008,

> there

> > > were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of

> Pervez

> > > Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

> > > > In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan

had

> > > become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate

> > > downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

> > > >     1.  if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November

> > > 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen.

> > > (powerless Venus sub-period)

> > > >     2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful

Sun

> > > sub-period)

> > > >     3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains

> (nodal

> > > station on his natal Sun)

> > > >     4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult

> > > time (other malefic transits)

> > > > Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised.

> > > > Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be

realised.

> > > > In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected

which

> > is

> > > considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news

> he

> > is

> > > now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he

> will

> > > step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a

> difficult

> > > time for him.

> > > > Best,

> > > >  

> > > > Thor

> > > >  

> > > > November 3, 2007

> > > > " The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing

> the

> > > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

> > > >  

> > > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As

Venus

> is

> > > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is

> > therefore not

> > > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

> > > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his

side,

> > > undermining his power.

> > > >  

> > > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal

nodes

> > and

> > > L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great

> deal

> > of

> > > trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

> > > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in

his

> > > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer

> > stationary.

> > > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed

> from

> > > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

> > > >  

> > > > 3. Importantly,  transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but

> has now

> > > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However,

it

> is

> > > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen

an

> > > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1

> December,

> > > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak

> in

> > > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

> > > Scoprio H1.

> > > >  

> > > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving

> him

> > > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12,

> where

> > > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius

H2

> on

> > > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will

> move

> > > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his

> position

> > > should thus increase in late November.

> > > >  

> > > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period.

> As

> > > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9

MEP

> > it

> > > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

> > > leader.

> > > >  

> > > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until

the

> > > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until

> mid

> > > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his

power

> > and

> > > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that

his

> > Sun

> > > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during

> the

> > > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted

with

> > > another crisis.  "

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > > February 16, 2008

> > > > " As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-

> Sun

> > > >  period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of

his

> > 9th

> > > >  house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

> > > >  strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme turbulence

> he

> > > >  encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly

> powerless

> > > Venus

> > > >  was operating in his chart. During the present nodal

transit,

> > > which

> > > >  is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house,

his

> > > income

> > > >  or public aspirations could be severely strained or

disturbed.

> > > >   

> > > > On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-

period

> > > >  begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and

> > > receives

> > > >  an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While

the

> > > Moon

> > > >  is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the

> Sun

> > > is

> > > >  boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th

> house.

> > > The

> > > >  Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-

like

> > > house.

> > > >  This should therefore bea lucky period for him.

> > > >   

> > > > From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his

Sun

> > and

> > > >  become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put

> great

> > > >  strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord

Saturn

> > will

> > > be

> > > >  passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the

> 10th

> > > >  house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to

disturb

> > his

> > > >  peace of mind.

> > > >   

> > > > Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over

> the

> > > >  natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult

time

> > for

> > > him

> > > >  when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be

> helpful

> > > to

> > > >  him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house

exactly

> > > >  opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting

his

> > > transit

> > > >  6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is

badly

> > > placed

> > > >  natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for

him. "

> > > >  

> > > > February 18, 2008

> > > > " In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and

SUN

> > sub-

> > > period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is

> > moderately

> > > strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and

3rd

> > > houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord

> > MOON,

> > > the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it

weakens

> > the

> > > Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

> > > >  

> > > > On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the

> > > stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly

his

> > > 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor

of

> > the

> > > Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will

be

> > at

> > > 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10'

Leo

> > and

> > > 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period

lord,

> > the

> > > Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal

> placement

> > of

> > > Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled

> in

> > > such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit

> > > Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these

> > malefics

> > > natally.

> > > >  

> > > > Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be

faced

> > with

> > > a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun

and

> > > Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

> > > >  

> > > > As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard

> to

> > > predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the

> > > period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the

> > > transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple

of

> > > weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

> > > >  

> > > > That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become

> > > stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to

> > > September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02'

Cancer.

> > At

> > > that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ajay,

 

It seems the time indicated by you will be important. Let's wait and

see what transpires.

 

Best,

 

Thor

 

" NA to meet on Aug 11

ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharraf has summoned the National

Assembly to meet on August 11. A formal notification has been issued

in this regard.

 

The notification was issued Saturday after President Pervez Musharraf

signed the summary for summoning of National Assembly session.

 

NA speaker Fahmida Mirza would chair the session to be held on Aug 11

(Monday) at 5:00 pm in the Parliament House. "

 

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=131670#topbookmark

 

SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Ur analysis is exact. In my view the most crucial day could be 11

august 2008, as on this day his present sub period lord moon shall be

debiliated in tr and exactly afflicted by tr ketu. At that time tr

and natal sun are also exactly afflicted by nodes.

>

> Lord of 6h which helps in overcoming enemies i.e. mars in tr is in

infant and has only 20% strength. The planets transiting thru his h10

also become weak due to weakness of their disp  sun.

>

> Thus on 11 aug 2008 at around 17 hrs ( pakistan time ) could be

very crucial and could be a turning point of his life.

>

> So lets wait and watch for coming days.

>

> Best Regards

>     Ajay.

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf of

Pakistan

> SAMVA

> Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:21 PM

Correction:

> Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun with the stationary nodal axis

> is only a few days AWAY,

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> > The prediction on SAMVA on November 4, 2007 has been realised:

> > " Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

> > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until

mid

> > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his power

and

> > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that his

Sun

> > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during the

> > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted with

> > another crisis.  "

> > The BBC reports the government is now working to oust him. The

> nodes are having their effect. Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun

> with the stationary nodal axis is only a few days AWAY, and

> sufficiently close to the time of the eclipse on August 1, 2008 to

> matter. Today, transit 6th lord Mars is exactly conjunct his 10th

> house MEP. Transit 4th lord SATURN is also exactly conjunct his 6th

> lord MARS at 13° 17' Leo and 10th house. Transit 9th lord MOON, the

> dispositor of his natal SUN, is also badly placed in the 12th house

> and hence its protective power is reduced.

> > In a few days time, transit 12th lord VENUS, now at 8° Leo, will

> move over his natal Rahu at 11° 10' Leo and 10th house. At that

time,

> transit 10th lord SUN will also have become exactly conjunct the

> stationary nodal axis. From this we can see that todays events are

> well explained by the transits and that the problems will likely

> continue for Musharraf through the weekend. With both his natal and

> transit 10th lord SUN afflicted by the stationary nodes while its

> dispositor has become temporarily weak in transit, explains why his

> troubles have now suddenly erupted. With Moon remaining weak over

the

> weekend, being debilitated in his 1st house, it is possible he will

> experience some setback in coming days. That said, we should note

the

> natal strength of the SUN, indicating a reserve of strength which

may

> prevent lasting damage. Maybe some compromise will be struck or

there

> may be pressure brought to bear on the situation from his US ally,

> President

> > Bush. Interesting chart and situation.

> > I'd be interested in others view on this chart and likely outcome.

> > Best wishes,

> > Thor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...>

> > SAMVA

> > Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:07:14 PM

> > Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf

of

> Pakistan

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > The battle is on:

> > Pakistan coalition to pursue Musharraf impeachment

> >

> > Story Highlights

> > * Pakistan's govt. confirmed it will move to impeach President

> Pervez

> > Musharraf

> > * Musharraf may still move to dissolve parliament and dismiss the

PM

> > * PM Yousaf Raza Gilani will replace Musharraf at the Olympic

> opening

> > ceremony

> > * Musharraf seized power in a 1999 military coup

> >

> http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ WORLD/asiapcf/ 08/07/pakistan.

impeach/index

> > .html

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf to

> face

> > > increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this

> > summer,

> > > which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in

the

> > 9th

> > > house have been realised.

> > >

> > > The government coalition parties have been in talks whether to

> > > impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The

> President

> > > has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in Beijing

> > > tomorrow.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > > 09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK

> > > Ruling parties in Musharraf talks 

> > > 

> > > Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to

begin

> > > moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following

> three

> > > days of talks.

> > >

> > > Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the

> > opening

> > > of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel the

> trip

> > > entirely.

> > >

> > > The president's allies were defeated in elections in February,

> but

> > he

> > > has so far resisted pressure to quit.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >  

> > > > To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of

> > authentic

> > > charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

> > > > As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008,

> there

> > > were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of

> Pervez

> > > Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

> > > > In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan

had

> > > become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his immediate

> > > downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

> > > >     1.  if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid November

> > > 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally strengthen.

> > > (powerless Venus sub-period)

> > > >     2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful

Sun

> > > sub-period)

> > > >     3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains

> (nodal

> > > station on his natal Sun)

> > > >     4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very difficult

> > > time (other malefic transits)

> > > > Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised.

> > > > Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be

realised.

> > > > In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected

which

> > is

> > > considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is news

> he

> > is

> > > now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that he

> will

> > > step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a

> difficult

> > > time for him.

> > > > Best,

> > > >  

> > > > Thor

> > > >  

> > > > November 3, 2007

> > > > " The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is showing

> the

> > > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

> > > >  

> > > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As

Venus

> is

> > > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is

> > therefore not

> > > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

> > > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his

side,

> > > undermining his power.

> > > >  

> > > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal

nodes

> > and

> > > L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great

> deal

> > of

> > > trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

> > > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in

his

> > > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer

> > stationary.

> > > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed

> from

> > > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

> > > >  

> > > > 3. Importantly,  transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but

> has now

> > > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However,

it

> is

> > > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen

an

> > > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1

> December,

> > > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains weak

> in

> > > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it enters

> > > Scoprio H1.

> > > >  

> > > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP giving

> him

> > > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12,

> where

> > > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius

H2

> on

> > > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun will

> move

> > > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his

> position

> > > should thus increase in late November.

> > > >  

> > > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su period.

> As

> > > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9

MEP

> > it

> > > is the real source of his political power and what makes him a

> > > leader.

> > > >  

> > > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until

the

> > > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until

> mid

> > > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his

power

> > and

> > > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that

his

> > Sun

> > > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during

> the

> > > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted

with

> > > another crisis.  "

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > > February 16, 2008

> > > > " As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the Mars-

> Sun

> > > >  period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of

his

> > 9th

> > > >  house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

> > > >  strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme turbulence

> he

> > > >  encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly

> powerless

> > > Venus

> > > >  was operating in his chart. During the present nodal

transit,

> > > which

> > > >  is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house,

his

> > > income

> > > >  or public aspirations could be severely strained or

disturbed.

> > > >   

> > > > On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-

period

> > > >  begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house and

> > > receives

> > > >  an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While

the

> > > Moon

> > > >  is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again the

> Sun

> > > is

> > > >  boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th

> house.

> > > The

> > > >  Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-

like

> > > house.

> > > >  This should therefore bea lucky period for him.

> > > >   

> > > > From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his

Sun

> > and

> > > >  become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put

> great

> > > >  strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord

Saturn

> > will

> > > be

> > > >  passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the

> 10th

> > > >  house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to

disturb

> > his

> > > >  peace of mind.

> > > >   

> > > > Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass over

> the

> > > >  natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult

time

> > for

> > > him

> > > >  when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be

> helpful

> > > to

> > > >  him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house

exactly

> > > >  opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting

his

> > > transit

> > > >  6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is

badly

> > > placed

> > > >  natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for

him. "

> > > >  

> > > > February 18, 2008

> > > > " In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and

SUN

> > sub-

> > > period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is

> > moderately

> > > strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and

3rd

> > > houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th lord

> > MOON,

> > > the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it

weakens

> > the

> > > Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

> > > >  

> > > > On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the

> > > stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly

his

> > > 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The dispositor

of

> > the

> > > Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn will

be

> > at

> > > 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10'

Leo

> > and

> > > 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period

lord,

> > the

> > > Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal

> placement

> > of

> > > Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been embroiled

> in

> > > such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and transit

> > > Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these

> > malefics

> > > natally.

> > > >  

> > > > Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be

faced

> > with

> > > a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun

and

> > > Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

> > > >  

> > > > As there is no information about other candidates, it is hard

> to

> > > predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that the

> > > period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but the

> > > transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple

of

> > > weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

> > > >  

> > > > That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will become

> > > stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June to

> > > September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02'

Cancer.

> > At

> > > that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis. "

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear list members,

 

It seems the pressure is slowly mounting against the President, with

the legislature now voting that his position must be subject to a

vote of confidence there, which he would likely lose. As it stands,

the outlook for him to remain in power much longer therefore does not

appear bright. However, it remains to be seen what his reaction will

be. That said, unlike before, he no longer is the head of the Armed

forces and hence, unless he can count on the armed forces, he can not

resort to such means as suspending the constitution and dissolving

the parliament. These are clearly interesting and tense times in

Pakistan.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

PA resolution demands President to seek vote of confidence

Updated at: 2115 PST, Monday, August 11, 2008

 

LAHORE: Punjab Assembly Monday passed a resolution unanimously

demanding President Pervez Musharraf to seek vote of confidence.

 

A total of 321 votes supported the resolution whereas only 25 went

against it.

 

The resolution states that under the Constitution, Punjab Assembly is

part of Electoral College and that the house deems Presidential

election of October 2007 as un-constitutional.

 

President Musharraf suspended the Constitution twice, violated the

Constitution and overthrew democratic government.

 

The resolution said President is supposed to be a representative of

the Federation but President Musharraf weakend the Federation and

inter-provincial harmony leading to a sense of deprivation among

provinces.

 

His policies plunged the country into political, economic as well as

power crisis.

 

The resolution demanded President Pervez Musharraf to seek vote of

confidence from the four provincial assemblies including Punjab

Assembly. Failing to get the vote, an impeachment motion would be

moved against him, it added.

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Ajay,

>

> It seems the time indicated by you will be important. Let's wait

and

> see what transpires.

>

> Best,

>

> Thor

>

> " NA to meet on Aug 11

> ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharraf has summoned the National

> Assembly to meet on August 11. A formal notification has been

issued

> in this regard.

>

> The notification was issued Saturday after President Pervez

Musharraf

> signed the summary for summoning of National Assembly session.

>

> NA speaker Fahmida Mirza would chair the session to be held on Aug

11

> (Monday) at 5:00 pm in the Parliament House. "

>

> http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=131670#topbookmark

>

> SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > Ur analysis is exact. In my view the most crucial day could be 11

> august 2008, as on this day his present sub period lord moon shall

be

> debiliated in tr and exactly afflicted by tr ketu. At that time tr

> and natal sun are also exactly afflicted by nodes.

> >

> > Lord of 6h which helps in overcoming enemies i.e. mars in tr is

in

> infant and has only 20% strength. The planets transiting thru his

h10

> also become weak due to weakness of their disp  sun.

> >

> > Thus on 11 aug 2008 at around 17 hrs ( pakistan time ) could be

> very crucial and could be a turning point of his life.

> >

> > So lets wait and watch for coming days.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >     Ajay.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > cosmologer <cosmologer@>

> > Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf

of

> Pakistan

> > SAMVA

> > Thursday, August 7, 2008, 2:21 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Correction:

> > Moreover, the conjunction of the Sun with the stationary nodal

axis

> > is only a few days AWAY,

> >

> > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > The prediction on SAMVA on November 4, 2007 has been realised:

> > > " Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until the

> > > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power until

> mid

> > > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his

power

> and

> > > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that

his

> Sun

> > > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer during

the

> > > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted

with

> > > another crisis.  "

> > > The BBC reports the government is now working to oust him. The

> > nodes are having their effect. Moreover, the conjunction of the

Sun

> > with the stationary nodal axis is only a few days AWAY, and

> > sufficiently close to the time of the eclipse on August 1, 2008

to

> > matter. Today, transit 6th lord Mars is exactly conjunct his 10th

> > house MEP. Transit 4th lord SATURN is also exactly conjunct his

6th

> > lord MARS at 13° 17' Leo and 10th house. Transit 9th lord MOON,

the

> > dispositor of his natal SUN, is also badly placed in the 12th

house

> > and hence its protective power is reduced.

> > > In a few days time, transit 12th lord VENUS, now at 8°

Leo, will

> > move over his natal Rahu at 11° 10' Leo and 10th house. At that

> time,

> > transit 10th lord SUN will also have become exactly conjunct the

> > stationary nodal axis. From this we can see that todays events

are

> > well explained by the transits and that the problems will likely

> > continue for Musharraf through the weekend. With both his natal

and

> > transit 10th lord SUN afflicted by the stationary nodes while its

> > dispositor has become temporarily weak in transit, explains why

his

> > troubles have now suddenly erupted. With Moon remaining weak over

> the

> > weekend, being debilitated in his 1st house, it is possible he

will

> > experience some setback in coming days. That said, we should note

> the

> > natal strength of the SUN, indicating a reserve of strength which

> may

> > prevent lasting damage. Maybe some compromise will be struck or

> there

> > may be pressure brought to bear on the situation from his US

ally,

> > President

> > > Bush. Interesting chart and situation.

> > > I'd be interested in others view on this chart and likely

outcome.

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Thor

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...>

> > > SAMVA

> > > Thursday, August 7, 2008 4:07:14 PM

> > > Re: Predictions for President Pervez Musharraf

> of

> > Pakistan

> > >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > The battle is on:

> > > Pakistan coalition to pursue Musharraf impeachment

> > >

> > > Story Highlights

> > > * Pakistan's govt. confirmed it will move to impeach President

> > Pervez

> > > Musharraf

> > > * Musharraf may still move to dissolve parliament and dismiss

the

> PM

> > > * PM Yousaf Raza Gilani will replace Musharraf at the Olympic

> > opening

> > > ceremony

> > > * Musharraf seized power in a 1999 military coup

> > >

> > http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ WORLD/asiapcf/ 08/07/pakistan.

> impeach/index

> > > .html

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >

> > > > The November 2007 prediction for President Pervez Musharraf

to

> > face

> > > > increasing strain or difficulty during the nodal station this

> > > summer,

> > > > which takes place closely conjunct his natal 10th lord Sun in

> the

> > > 9th

> > > > house have been realised.

> > > >

> > > > The government coalition parties have been in talks whether

to

> > > > impeach him. An announcement is expected later today. The

> > President

> > > > has delayed his plan to attend the opening cermonies in

Beijing

> > > > tomorrow.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Thor

> > > >

> > > > 09:24 GMT, Thursday, 7 August 2008 10:24 UK

> > > > Ruling parties in Musharraf talks 

> > > > 

> > > > Pakistan's ruling alliance is expected to decide whether to

> begin

> > > > moves to try to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, following

> > three

> > > > days of talks.

> > > >

> > > > Mr Musharraf has delayed his departure to China to attend the

> > > opening

> > > > of the Olympics, after earlier suggestions he might cancel

the

> > trip

> > > > entirely.

> > > >

> > > > The president's allies were defeated in elections in

February,

> > but

> > > he

> > > > has so far resisted pressure to quit.

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > >  

> > > > > To demonstrate the predictive power of SA on the basis of

> > > authentic

> > > > charts, it is necessary to recall the predictions.

> > > > > As you may recall, from early November 2007 to March 2008,

> > there

> > > > were some exchanges on this list concerning the fortunes of

> > Pervez

> > > > Musharraff, the President of Pakistan.

> > > > > In early November 2007, the political situation in Pakistan

> had

> > > > become exceedingly dire and many were predicting his

immediate

> > > > downfall. Based on his chart and SA, I predicted that

> > > > >     1.  if Pres. Musharraf were to survive until mid

November

> > > > 2007 his position would then begin to incrementally

strengthen.

> > > > (powerless Venus sub-period)

> > > > >     2. by mid January 2008 his power would return (powerful

> Sun

> > > > sub-period)

> > > > >     3. by June 2008 he would begin to face renewed strains

> > (nodal

> > > > station on his natal Sun)

> > > > >     4. during July 26-29, 2008 he would face a very

difficult

> > > > time (other malefic transits)

> > > > > Predictions 1 and 2 have now been realised.

> > > > > Moreover, it looks like prediction 3 has begun to be

> realised.

> > > > > In the March 2008 elections, a new government was elected

> which

> > > is

> > > > considered hostile to President Musharraf. Today, there is

news

> > he

> > > is

> > > > now back under pressure. He is denying rampant rumours that

he

> > will

> > > > step down in coming days. The coming few months suggest a

> > difficult

> > > > time for him.

> > > > > Best,

> > > > >  

> > > > > Thor

> > > > >  

> > > > > November 3, 2007

> > > > > " The 28° Scorpio rising chart of Pervez Musharraf is

showing

> > the

> > > > developments exactly as per the Systems Approach.

> > > > >  

> > > > > 1. The Ma/Ve period is operating since November 2006. As

> Venus

> > is

> > > > at 0° 00' Cancer H9, it is absolutely powerless. It is

> > > therefore not

> > > > surprising that the normally more passive judiciary branch of

> > > > government and religious groups have become a thorn in his

> side,

> > > > undermining his power.

> > > > >  

> > > > > 2. In recent months the nodal station on top of his natal

> nodes

> > > and

> > > > L6 Mars, along with transit L4 Saturn, has caused him a great

> > deal

> > > of

> > > > trouble. Fortunately, Saturn is strong and well placed in H7

> > > > aspecting also L9 Moon in Cancer H9. The nodal affliction in

> his

> > > > chart is improving by the day as the nodes are no longer

> > > stationary.

> > > > is soon to lift, By 16 November, the nodes will be 2° removed

> > from

> > > > the natal nodes, giving him more breathing space.

> > > > >  

> > > > > 3. Importantly,  transit L12 Venus has been in Leo H10 but

> > has now

> > > > entered Virgo H11, where it is debilitated and weak. However,

> it

> > is

> > > > still well placed. Its transit weakness has nevertheless seen

> an

> > > > increase in his troubles. Venus will enter Libra H12 on 1

> > December,

> > > > where it will also not be so helpful to him. Venus remains

weak

> > in

> > > > transit for Scorpios until end of December 2007, when it

enters

> > > > Scoprio H1.

> > > > >  

> > > > > 4. Transit L2 Jupiter is currently conjunct his H1 MEP

giving

> > him

> > > > protection while his L10 Sun is weak in transit in Libra H12,

> > where

> > > > it is debilitated. Transit Jupiter will pass into Sagittarius

> H2

> > on

> > > > 22 November. Shortly before that, on 17 November, L10 Sun

will

> > move

> > > > into Scorpio H1. The transit situation with regard to his

> > position

> > > > should thus increase in late November.

> > > > >  

> > > > > 5. On 14 January 2008, Musharraf will enter the Ma/Su

period.

> > As

> > > > L10 Sun at 25° Cancer is strong in the chart and placed on H9

> MEP

> > > it

> > > > is the real source of his political power and what makes him

a

> > > > leader.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Should Pervez Musharraf survive the present challenge until

> the

> > > > middle of this month, it is likely his position will begin to

> > > > incrementally improve. Should he manage to cling to power

until

> > mid

> > > > January 2008, he would then be expected to consolidate his

> power

> > > and

> > > > remain head of state for some more time. However, the present

> > > > transits are quite difficult and it is also interesting that

> his

> > > Sun

> > > > will be burdened with a nodal station at 24° 30' Cancer

during

> > the

> > > > middle of 2008. So, even then, he is likely to be confronted

> with

> > > > another crisis.  "

> > > > >  

> > > > >  

> > > > > February 16, 2008

> > > > > " As for Pervez Musharraf, we know that he is now in the

Mars-

> > Sun

> > > > >  period and Sun is 10th lord in the most effective point of

> his

> > > 9th

> > > > >  house. As was predicted in November 2007, his position has

> > > > >  strengthened in the Sun period, after the extreme

turbulence

> > he

> > > > >  encountered in 2007 when the sub-period of an utterly

> > powerless

> > > > Venus

> > > > >  was operating in his chart. During the present nodal

> transit,

> > > > which

> > > > >  is conjunct his natal 11th lord Mercury in the 10th house,

> his

> > > > income

> > > > >  or public aspirations could be severely strained or

> disturbed.

> > > > >   

> > > > > On May 21, 2008 the Sun sub-period ends and the Moon sub-

> period

> > > > >  begins. The Moon as 9th lord is placed in the 9th house

and

> > > > receives

> > > > >  an aspect from the 7th lord Saturn in the 7th house. While

> the

> > > > Moon

> > > > >  is weakened by being so close to his Sun, but then again

the

> > Sun

> > > > is

> > > > >  boosting the indications of the Moon by aspecting the 9th

> > house.

> > > > The

> > > > >  Sun and Moon gain extra strength by being placed in a Sun-

> like

> > > > house.

> > > > >  This should therefore bea lucky period for him.

> > > > >   

> > > > > From late June 2008, however, the nodes will pass over his

> Sun

> > > and

> > > > >  become stationary within 1°. This placement will again put

> > great

> > > > >  strain on his position. At that time, transit 4th lord

> Saturn

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > >  passing over his natal Rahu and natal 6th lord Mars in the

> > 10th

> > > > >  house, with manipulations by inimical people likely to

> disturb

> > > his

> > > > >  peace of mind.

> > > > >   

> > > > > Around July 26-28, 2008, 12th lord Venus will also pass

over

> > the

> > > > >  natal Sun and stationary Ketu. This could be a difficult

> time

> > > for

> > > > him

> > > > >  when he would be adviced to take good care. It should be

> > helpful

> > > > to

> > > > >  him to have transit 2nd lord Jupiter in the 2nd house

> exactly

> > > > >  opposite his natal Jupiter in the 8th house and aspecting

> his

> > > > transit

> > > > >  6th lord Mars in the 10th house. However, as Jupiter is

> badly

> > > > placed

> > > > >  natally in the 8th house it is a rather weak benefic for

> him. "

> > > > >  

> > > > > February 18, 2008

> > > > > " In the 28° Scorpio rising chart, the MARS major period and

> SUN

> > > sub-

> > > > period are running until 21 May 2008. The 10th lord Sun is

> > > moderately

> > > > strong at 25° 02' Cancer and closely influencing the 9th and

> 3rd

> > > > houses, explaining why he is a political strongman. As 9th

lord

> > > MOON,

> > > > the dispositor of the Sun, is combust the Sun natally, it

> weakens

> > > the

> > > > Sun but an aspect from 4th lord Satun to Moon is helpful.

> > > > >  

> > > > > On election day, the Sun will still be transit conjunct the

> > > > stationary nodal axis, which is stationary afflicting exactly

> his

> > > > 11th lord MERCURY at 3° 46' Leo and 10th house. The

dispositor

> of

> > > the

> > > > Sun in transit is 4th lord SATURN. On election day Saturn

will

> be

> > > at

> > > > 11° 38' Leo where it is conjunct his natal FM RAHU at 11° 10'

> Leo

> > > and

> > > > 6th lord Mars at 13° 17' Leo. This indicates the sub-period

> lord,

> > > the

> > > > Sun, is really under a lot of pressure. Also, this natal

> > placement

> > > of

> > > > Rahu and Mars exaplains vividly why his life has been

embroiled

> > in

> > > > such crisis in the autumn of 2007 when transit KETU and

transit

> > > > Saturn became conjunct at those degrees, which contain these

> > > malefics

> > > > natally.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Given the dire transits, it looks like Musharraf will be

> faced

> > > with

> > > > a difficult outcome. However, the transit position of the Sun

> and

> > > > Saturn will begin to improve in March 2008.

> > > > >  

> > > > > As there is no information about other candidates, it is

hard

> > to

> > > > predict the outcome of the election. All we can say is that

the

> > > > period influence for Musharraf is generally supportive but

the

> > > > transit influences on election day are not. However, a couple

> of

> > > > weeks after the elections the transits seem to improve.

> > > > >  

> > > > > That said, during his Mars/Moon period, the nodes will

become

> > > > stationary at around 24° 40' Capricorn and Cancer from June

to

> > > > September 2008 - right on top of his natal Sun at 25° 02'

> Cancer.

> > > At

> > > > that time, he will likely face a renewed crisis. "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >