Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to keep her name in the running until August, the Democratic National Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on her and Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not happened yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde... Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during every Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president has been assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers have been looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start throwing around criticism yet that predictions didn't come true! ...it's not over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Hello Terry, Indeed, the nomination is still not a done dea. An outcome that could surprise the casual observer can still manifest. Wall Street Journal has an interesting analysis of Barack Obama. They conclude that it was the anti-Bush or anti-iraq war voters that put him where he is today, including the massive funds raised via the internet. They then note that he has the most left wing voting record of any Democrat reaching this far. They also note that he is a risky bet because he is so little known by the majority of voters. They then also wonder about his religious affiliation and the his handling of the outbursts of his clergy friends. In short they signal the risks associated with his candidacy. Best, Thor SAMVA , " terrynazon " <terry wrote: > > Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to keep her > name in the running until August, the Democratic National > Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on her and > Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not happened > yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde... > Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during every > Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president has been > assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers have been > looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start throwing > around criticism yet that predictions didn't come true! ...it's not > over! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Dear Thor Of the super delegates for democratic party, 429 of 796 have committed with the remaining still unknown. The democratic house leaders called for all of them to commit by tomorrow. Whether or not that will happen remains to be seen. In any case, super delegates are allowed to change their commitment up to the time of the convention in late August. Highly likely that many will change unless some unfortunate events happens to Barack. Hillary will suspend her campaign soon but still allowed to raise funds to pay off her campaigning debts. This will allow her to maintain a core group for start up again if called upon to. The nomination is for Barack to lose. With about another 2.5 months before the formal nomination, anything can still happen. Key consideration in Barack's chart (1:06pm) is that transit Ke/Ra axis is stationary for next 3 months now at 50% increasing steadily to 90% at nomination time. Hillary's chart (8pm) has Ke stationary on her Sa (9H lord of fortune) but decreasing from 99% since end of May to 25% during August. It does not look good for Hillary but you are correct in that it is not done until it is formally official. SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello Terry, > > Indeed, the nomination is still not a done dea. An outcome that could surprise the casual observer can still manifest. > > Wall Street Journal has an interesting analysis of Barack Obama. They conclude that it was the anti-Bush or anti-iraq war voters that put him where he is today, including the massive funds raised via the internet. They then note that he has the most left wing voting record of any Democrat reaching this far. They also note that he is a risky bet because he is so little known by the majority of voters. They then also wonder about his religious affiliation and the his handling of the outbursts of his clergy friends. In short they signal the risks associated with his candidacy. > > Best, > > > Thor > SAMVA , " terrynazon " <terry@> wrote: > > > > Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to keep her > > name in the running until August, the Democratic National > > Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on her and > > Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not happened > > yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde... > > Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during every > > Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president has been > > assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers have been > > looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start throwing > > around criticism yet that predictions didn't come true! ...it's not > > over! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Dear Ben, We are assuming Hillary Clinton has Gemini rising. The Prediction by shows Gemini's will have less problems from the ongoing transits. " Some of the difficulties are coming to an end in the next week. " (www.YourNetAstrologer.com) That said, the aspect of transit Rahu in the 8th house to her 3rd lord Sun and 5th lord Venus in the 12th house indicates some stress, but it would be coming to an end. As Hillary is running Sun-Rahu period, the impact would be felt more strongly at this time. The affliction of Hillary Clinton's 9th lord Saturn at 28° 12' Cancer in the 2nd house from the transit nodes at around 26° 37' is now separating. As Saturn is weak in old age, this affliction will be felt until the nodes reach 23° 12', which will be in the first week of October. Moreover, as the nodes are now moving at normal speed, this reduces the impact. The natal strength of 2nd lord Moon in the 10th house helps protect the indications of her Saturn to some extent. When the nodes go stationary at 24° 30' they will be over 3° removed from the exact aspect, hence, the impact on Saturn would be less this summer and into the autumn from this aspect. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " searchbutton " <searchbutton wrote: > > Dear Thor > > Of the super delegates for democratic party, 429 of 796 have > committed with the remaining still unknown. The democratic house > leaders called for all of them to commit by tomorrow. Whether or not > that will happen remains to be seen. In any case, super delegates > are allowed to change their commitment up to the time of the > convention in late August. Highly likely that many will change > unless some unfortunate events happens to Barack. Hillary will > suspend her campaign soon but still allowed to raise funds to pay off > her campaigning debts. This will allow her to maintain a core group > for start up again if called upon to. The nomination is for Barack > to lose. With about another 2.5 months before the formal nomination, > anything can still happen. Key consideration in Barack's chart > (1:06pm) is that transit Ke/Ra axis is stationary for next 3 months > now at 50% increasing steadily to 90% at nomination time. Hillary's > chart (8pm) has Ke stationary on her Sa (9H lord of fortune) but > decreasing from 99% since end of May to 25% during August. It does > not look good for Hillary but you are correct in that it is not done > until it is formally official. > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Hello Terry, > > > > Indeed, the nomination is still not a done dea. An outcome that > could surprise the casual observer can still manifest. > > > > Wall Street Journal has an interesting analysis of Barack Obama. > They conclude that it was the anti-Bush or anti-iraq war voters that > put him where he is today, including the massive funds raised via the > internet. They then note that he has the most left wing voting record > of any Democrat reaching this far. They also note that he is a risky > bet because he is so little known by the majority of voters. They > then also wonder about his religious affiliation and the his handling > of the outbursts of his clergy friends. In short they signal the > risks associated with his candidacy. > > > > Best, > > > > > > Thor > > SAMVA , " terrynazon " <terry@> wrote: > > > > > > Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to > keep her > > > name in the running until August, the Democratic National > > > Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on her > and > > > Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not > happened > > > yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde... > > > Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during > every > > > Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president > has been > > > assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers have > been > > > looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start > throwing > > > around criticism yet that predictions didn't come true! ...it's > not > > > over! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Dear friends, In my last message, I was expounding on the correct analysis of Ben. To explain further, the strength of Saturn in the chart of Hillary Clinton is judged to be just over 36% on account of old age but we can add to this 25% due to Saturn being in a sun-like-house. As a result Saturn has just over 60% strength natally which increases it ability to resist setbacks during transit afflictions. This is important for the assessment of the impact of the affliction of Ketu and Rahu on Saturn this summer. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear Ben, > > We are assuming Hillary Clinton has Gemini rising. The Prediction by > shows Gemini's will have less problems from the > ongoing transits. " Some of the difficulties are coming to an end in > the next week. " (www.YourNetAstrologer.com) > > That said, the aspect of transit Rahu in the 8th house to her 3rd > lord Sun and 5th lord Venus in the 12th house indicates some stress, > but it would be coming to an end. As Hillary is running Sun-Rahu > period, the impact would be felt more strongly at this time. > > The affliction of Hillary Clinton's 9th lord Saturn at 28° 12' Cancer > in the 2nd house from the transit nodes at around 26° 37' is now > separating. As Saturn is weak in old age, this affliction will be > felt until the nodes reach 23° 12', which will be in the first week > of October. Moreover, as the nodes are now moving at normal speed, > this reduces the impact. The natal strength of 2nd lord Moon in the > 10th house helps protect the indications of her Saturn to some > extent. When the nodes go stationary at 24° 30' they will be over 3° > removed from the exact aspect, hence, the impact on Saturn would > be less this summer and into the autumn from this aspect. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > SAMVA , " searchbutton " <searchbutton@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor > > > > Of the super delegates for democratic party, 429 of 796 have > > committed with the remaining still unknown. The democratic house > > leaders called for all of them to commit by tomorrow. Whether or > not > > that will happen remains to be seen. In any case, super delegates > > are allowed to change their commitment up to the time of the > > convention in late August. Highly likely that many will change > > unless some unfortunate events happens to Barack. Hillary will > > suspend her campaign soon but still allowed to raise funds to pay > off > > her campaigning debts. This will allow her to maintain a core > group > > for start up again if called upon to. The nomination is for Barack > > to lose. With about another 2.5 months before the formal > nomination, > > anything can still happen. Key consideration in Barack's chart > > (1:06pm) is that transit Ke/Ra axis is stationary for next 3 months > > now at 50% increasing steadily to 90% at nomination time. > Hillary's > > chart (8pm) has Ke stationary on her Sa (9H lord of fortune) but > > decreasing from 99% since end of May to 25% during August. It does > > not look good for Hillary but you are correct in that it is not > done > > until it is formally official. > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Terry, > > > > > > Indeed, the nomination is still not a done dea. An outcome that > > could surprise the casual observer can still manifest. > > > > > > Wall Street Journal has an interesting analysis of Barack Obama. > > They conclude that it was the anti-Bush or anti-iraq war voters > that > > put him where he is today, including the massive funds raised via > the > > internet. They then note that he has the most left wing voting > record > > of any Democrat reaching this far. They also note that he is a > risky > > bet because he is so little known by the majority of voters. They > > then also wonder about his religious affiliation and the his > handling > > of the outbursts of his clergy friends. In short they signal the > > risks associated with his candidacy. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > SAMVA , " terrynazon " <terry@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to > > keep her > > > > name in the running until August, the Democratic National > > > > Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on > her > > and > > > > Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not > > happened > > > > yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde... > > > > Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during > > every > > > > Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president > > has been > > > > assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers > have > > been > > > > looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start > > throwing > > > > around criticism yet that predictions didn't come > true! ...it's > > not > > > > over! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Terry Experts Explain Why Senator Clinton Lost Her Bid For Democratic Presidential Nomination http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-06-06-voa52.cfm This is what the media is also saying and not only me!! and contemplating on the lifespan of any candidate benefiting other shows that the prediction is one sided rgds On 6/5/08, terrynazon <terry wrote: Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to keep her name in the running until August, the Democratic National Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on her and Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not happened yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde...Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during every Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president has been assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers have been looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start throwing around criticism yet that predictions didn't come true! ...it's not over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Thor,Are you sure of your calculation of Saturn' strenght ? Is that not 36% + (36 x 0,25) = 45% ?José2008/6/6 cosmologer <cosmologer: Dear friends, In my last message, I was expounding on the correct analysis of Ben. To explain further, the strength of Saturn in the chart of Hillary Clinton is judged to be just over 36% on account of old age but we can add to this 25% due to Saturn being in a sun-like-house. As a result Saturn has just over 60% strength natally which increases it ability to resist setbacks during transit afflictions. This is important for the assessment of the impact of the affliction of Ketu and Rahu on Saturn this summer. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear Ben, > > We are assuming Hillary Clinton has Gemini rising. The Prediction by > shows Gemini's will have less problems from the > ongoing transits. " Some of the difficulties are coming to an end in > the next week. " (www.YourNetAstrologer.com) > > That said, the aspect of transit Rahu in the 8th house to her 3rd > lord Sun and 5th lord Venus in the 12th house indicates some stress, > but it would be coming to an end. As Hillary is running Sun-Rahu > period, the impact would be felt more strongly at this time. > > The affliction of Hillary Clinton's 9th lord Saturn at 28° 12' Cancer > in the 2nd house from the transit nodes at around 26° 37' is now > separating. As Saturn is weak in old age, this affliction will be > felt until the nodes reach 23° 12', which will be in the first week > of October. Moreover, as the nodes are now moving at normal speed, > this reduces the impact. The natal strength of 2nd lord Moon in the > 10th house helps protect the indications of her Saturn to some > extent. When the nodes go stationary at 24° 30' they will be over 3° > removed from the exact aspect, hence, the impact on Saturn would > be less this summer and into the autumn from this aspect. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > SAMVA , " searchbutton " <searchbutton@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor > > > > Of the super delegates for democratic party, 429 of 796 have > > committed with the remaining still unknown. The democratic house > > leaders called for all of them to commit by tomorrow. Whether or > not > > that will happen remains to be seen. In any case, super delegates > > are allowed to change their commitment up to the time of the > > convention in late August. Highly likely that many will change > > unless some unfortunate events happens to Barack. Hillary will > > suspend her campaign soon but still allowed to raise funds to pay > off > > her campaigning debts. This will allow her to maintain a core > group > > for start up again if called upon to. The nomination is for Barack > > to lose. With about another 2.5 months before the formal > nomination, > > anything can still happen. Key consideration in Barack's chart > > (1:06pm) is that transit Ke/Ra axis is stationary for next 3 months > > now at 50% increasing steadily to 90% at nomination time. > Hillary's > > chart (8pm) has Ke stationary on her Sa (9H lord of fortune) but > > decreasing from 99% since end of May to 25% during August. It does > > not look good for Hillary but you are correct in that it is not > done > > until it is formally official. > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Terry, > > > > > > Indeed, the nomination is still not a done dea. An outcome that > > could surprise the casual observer can still manifest. > > > > > > Wall Street Journal has an interesting analysis of Barack Obama. > > They conclude that it was the anti-Bush or anti-iraq war voters > that > > put him where he is today, including the massive funds raised via > the > > internet. They then note that he has the most left wing voting > record > > of any Democrat reaching this far. They also note that he is a > risky > > bet because he is so little known by the majority of voters. They > > then also wonder about his religious affiliation and the his > handling > > of the outbursts of his clergy friends. In short they signal the > > risks associated with his candidacy. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > SAMVA , " terrynazon " <terry@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to > > keep her > > > > name in the running until August, the Democratic National > > > > Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on > her > > and > > > > Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not > > happened > > > > yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde... > > > > Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during > > every > > > > Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president > > has been > > > > assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers > have > > been > > > > looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start > > throwing > > > > around criticism yet that predictions didn't come > true! ...it's > > not > > > > over! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Jose, The placement of a planet in a sun-like-house ADDS 25% to the strength otherwise determined. The calculation is thus 36% + 25% = 61%. Best, Thor SAMVA , " josé sol-rolland " <josesolrolland wrote: > > Hello Thor, > > Are you sure of your calculation of Saturn' strenght ? Is that not 36% + (36 > x 0,25) = 45% ? > > José > > 2008/6/6 cosmologer <cosmologer: > > > Dear friends, > > > > In my last message, I was expounding on the correct analysis of > > Ben. To explain further, the strength of Saturn in the chart of > > Hillary Clinton is judged to be just over 36% on account of old age > > but we can add to this 25% due to Saturn being in a sun-like- house. > > As a result Saturn has just over 60% strength natally which increases > > it ability to resist setbacks during transit afflictions. This is > > important for the assessment of the impact of the affliction > > of Ketu and Rahu on Saturn this summer. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA <SAMVA% 40>, " cosmologer " > > <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ben, > > > > > > We are assuming Hillary Clinton has Gemini rising. The Prediction > > by > > > shows Gemini's will have less problems from the > > > ongoing transits. " Some of the difficulties are coming to an end in > > > the next week. " (www.YourNetAstrologer.com) > > > > > > That said, the aspect of transit Rahu in the 8th house to her 3rd > > > lord Sun and 5th lord Venus in the 12th house indicates some > > stress, > > > but it would be coming to an end. As Hillary is running Sun-Rahu > > > period, the impact would be felt more strongly at this time. > > > > > > The affliction of Hillary Clinton's 9th lord Saturn at 28° 12' > > Cancer > > > in the 2nd house from the transit nodes at around 26° 37' is now > > > separating. As Saturn is weak in old age, this affliction will be > > > felt until the nodes reach 23° 12', which will be in the first week > > > of October. Moreover, as the nodes are now moving at normal speed, > > > this reduces the impact. The natal strength of 2nd lord Moon in the > > > 10th house helps protect the indications of her Saturn to some > > > extent. When the nodes go stationary at 24° 30' they will be over > > 3° > > > removed from the exact aspect, hence, the impact on Saturn would > > > be less this summer and into the autumn from this aspect. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > SAMVA <SAMVA% 40>, " searchbutton " > > <searchbutton@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Thor > > > > > > > > Of the super delegates for democratic party, 429 of 796 have > > > > committed with the remaining still unknown. The democratic house > > > > leaders called for all of them to commit by tomorrow. Whether or > > > not > > > > that will happen remains to be seen. In any case, super > > delegates > > > > are allowed to change their commitment up to the time of the > > > > convention in late August. Highly likely that many will change > > > > unless some unfortunate events happens to Barack. Hillary will > > > > suspend her campaign soon but still allowed to raise funds to pay > > > off > > > > her campaigning debts. This will allow her to maintain a core > > > group > > > > for start up again if called upon to. The nomination is for > > Barack > > > > to lose. With about another 2.5 months before the formal > > > nomination, > > > > anything can still happen. Key consideration in Barack's chart > > > > (1:06pm) is that transit Ke/Ra axis is stationary for next 3 > > months > > > > now at 50% increasing steadily to 90% at nomination time. > > > Hillary's > > > > chart (8pm) has Ke stationary on her Sa (9H lord of fortune) but > > > > decreasing from 99% since end of May to 25% during August. It > > does > > > > not look good for Hillary but you are correct in that it is not > > > done > > > > until it is formally official. > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA <SAMVA% 40>, " cosmologer " > > <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Terry, > > > > > > > > > > Indeed, the nomination is still not a done dea. An outcome that > > > > could surprise the casual observer can still manifest. > > > > > > > > > > Wall Street Journal has an interesting analysis of Barack > > Obama. > > > > They conclude that it was the anti-Bush or anti-iraq war voters > > > that > > > > put him where he is today, including the massive funds raised via > > > the > > > > internet. They then note that he has the most left wing voting > > > record > > > > of any Democrat reaching this far. They also note that he is a > > > risky > > > > bet because he is so little known by the majority of voters. They > > > > then also wonder about his religious affiliation and the his > > > handling > > > > of the outbursts of his clergy friends. In short they signal the > > > > risks associated with his candidacy. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > SAMVA <SAMVA% 40>, " terrynazon " > > <terry@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right > > to > > > > keep her > > > > > > name in the running until August, the Democratic National > > > > > > Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on > > > her > > > > and > > > > > > Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not > > > > happened > > > > > > yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury > > retrograde... > > > > > > Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven > > during > > > > every > > > > > > Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US > > president > > > > has been > > > > > > assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers > > > have > > > > been > > > > > > looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't > > start > > > > throwing > > > > > > around criticism yet that predictions didn't come > > > true! ...it's > > > > not > > > > > > over! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Hello Rajesh, SAMVA list was started in November 2000 and now numbers over 700 members. Over 15000 posts have been logged on the list. The objective of the list is to give members the opportunity to further their study Systems Approach astrology in the mundane sphere through the exchange of views and information. To this end, list members are encouraged to discuss the astrological merits of any chart interpretation or prediction. As recently explained, the understanding grows when it is being shared. You joined this list only recently. In your first post you claimed a failure of the following prediction, which is based on SA. Thursday, April 24, 2008 Madame President! http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/04/madame-president.html In this post, you further argue for your claim - but with out any recourse to SA astrology. If you are interested in studying SA astrology in the mundane sphere it would be helpful to you and the other members if you adopt the recommended approach. It bears repeating that we must be patient and wait to see the prediction in the fullness of time. A lot can still happen in coming months. Best, Thor SAMVA , " Rajesh Gupta " <rajesh.gupta.dycmm wrote: > > Hello Terry > > Experts Explain Why Senator Clinton Lost Her Bid For Democratic Presidential > Nomination > > http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-06-06-voa52.cfm > > This is what the media is also saying and not only me!! > > and contemplating on the lifespan of any candidate benefiting other shows > that the prediction is one sided > > rgds > > > On 6/5/08, terrynazon <terry wrote: > > > > Hilary Clinton did not give up yet...She has kept the right to keep her > > name in the running until August, the Democratic National > > Convention...I still think that all the predictions based on her and > > Barack Obama's charts were correct and the end game has not happened > > yet...She did the right thing considering Mercury retrograde... > > Even if she were to be Vice President it has been proven during every > > Saturn opposition of Uranus (western Astrology) a US president has been > > assasinated...1965 for eaxample and that's what astrologers have been > > looking at! ...which would make her President...so don't start throwing > > around criticism yet that predictions didn't come true! ...it's not > > over! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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