Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Hi Ron, This is a very interesting suggesting. As a rather preliminary reaction, it would seem this chart would explain well the tremendous pain he has experienced in his life. At the same time, it has to be judged if such a close affliction by powerful functional malefics to 8 houses in his chart is consistent with the meteoric rise he has enjoyed in life. Only a close examination of life events would answer that question. Perhaps Wikipedia offers more information on his life. On the face of it, it would also seem that such an ascending degree would reduce his chances of gaining the Presidency. That said, I would have to study this chart closer to reach a conclusion on this suggestion and I won´t have time to do that until later. Perhaps others interested in the election can make their insights and views known. Best wishes, Thor RonDay <ronkarsamva Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:22:14 AM J. McCain –Towards RectificationA recent birth time was given for J. McCain as 11am ie approx. 24 Libra.I think that the birth time should be closer to 10am giving an ascendant between 9-10 Libra.It seems more probable that Rahu should be afflicting the 3H MEP and the houses it aspects. Similarly for Ketu.Rahu in 3H can give courage but near the cusp can affect the vitality.In the Ra/Ve period McCain was severely injured and suffered imprisonment. This was a low period in his life.Rahu’s dispositor Jupiter aspects the 8H of death like experiences and 6H of injuries.Rahu’s affliction of the 7H is also significant as well as Ketu’s affliction to the ascendant.It would be useful to have more data about McCain’s father and younger brother and his relationship with them.Ron--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dear Thor and Ron… Thank you so much for all of the work you have been doing on the charts for Senators Obama and McCain. I think Ron was the first to suggest the Capricorn ascendent for Senator Obama, and finding the birth certificate was very fortuitous. Now, assuming that Senator McCain was born between 9:00 and 11:00 a.m., then he is either the Virgo or Libra rising sign. Hopefully the proper rising sign will become clear shortly. (It is amazing that so many of the top political candidates over the years have had questionable birth times.) Again, thanks to both of you for all of your hard work on this project. David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Cosmologer Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:48 AM SAMVA Re: J. McCain –Towards Rectification Hi Ron, This is a very interesting suggesting. As a rather preliminary reaction, it would seem this chart would explain well the tremendous pain he has experienced in his life. At the same time, it has to be judged if such a close affliction by powerful functional malefics to 8 houses in his chart is consistent with the meteoric rise he has enjoyed in life. Only a close examination of life events would answer that question. Perhaps Wikipedia offers more information on his life. On the face of it, it would also seem that such an ascending degree would reduce his chances of gaining the Presidency. That said, I would have to study this chart closer to reach a conclusion on this suggestion and I won´t have time to do that until later. Perhaps others interested in the election can make their insights and views known. Best wishes, Thor ----- Original Message ---- RonDay <ronkar samva Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:22:14 AM J. McCain –Towards Rectification A recent birth time was given for J. McCain as 11am ie approx. 24 Libra. I think that the birth time should be closer to 10am giving an ascendant between 9-10 Libra. It seems more probable that Rahu should be afflicting the 3H MEP and the houses it aspects. Similarly for Ketu. Rahu in 3H can give courage but near the cusp can affect the vitality. In the Ra/Ve period McCain was severely injured and suffered imprisonment. This was a low period in his life. Rahu’s dispositor Jupiter aspects the 8H of death like experiences and 6H of injuries. Rahu’s affliction of the 7H is also significant as well as Ketu’s affliction to the ascendant. It would be useful to have more data about McCain’s father and younger brother and his relationship with them. Ron --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Dear David, Glad you find the effort helpful. I agree, the Capricorn ascendant looks plausible for Obama. has earlier opined that the late Libra rising ascendant appears to fit the life of McCain. It will be interesting to follow these two candidates, assuming they have both around 24 degree rising in their respective signs, given the nodal station at 24 Capricorn and Cancer this summer and into the fall. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > Dear Thor and Ron… > > Thank you so much for all of the work you have been doing on the charts for Senators Obama and McCain. > > I think Ron was the first to suggest the Capricorn ascendent for Senator Obama, and finding the birth certificate was very fortuitous. > > Now, assuming that Senator McCain was born between 9:00 and 11:00 a.m., then he is either the Virgo or Libra rising sign. > > Hopefully the proper rising sign will become clear shortly. > > (It is amazing that so many of the top political candidates over the years have had questionable birth times.) > > Again, thanks to both of you for all of your hard work on this project. > > David Hawthorne > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Cosmologer > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:48 AM > SAMVA > Re: J. McCain †" Towards Rectification > > Hi Ron, > > This is a very interesting suggesting. As a rather preliminary reaction, it would seem this chart would explain well the tremendous pain he has experienced in his life. At the same time, it has to be judged if such a close affliction by powerful functional malefics to 8 houses in his chart is consistent with the meteoric rise he has enjoyed in life. Only a close examination of life events would answer that question. Perhaps Wikipedia offers more information on his life. On the face of it, it would also seem that such an ascending degree would reduce his chances of gaining the Presidency. That said, I would have to study this chart closer to reach a conclusion on this suggestion and I won´t have time to do that until later. Perhaps others interested in the election can make their insights and views known. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > RonDay <ronkar > samva > Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:22:14 AM > J. McCain †" Towards Rectification > > A recent birth time was given for J. McCain as 11am ie approx. 24 Libra. > I think that the birth time should be closer to 10am giving an ascendant > between 9-10 Libra. > > It seems more probable that Rahu should be afflicting the 3H MEP and the > houses it aspects. Similarly for Ketu. > > Rahu in 3H can give courage but near the cusp can affect the vitality. > In the Ra/Ve period McCain was severely injured and suffered > imprisonment. This was a low period in his life. > Rahu’s dispositor Jupiter aspects the 8H of death like experiences and > 6H of injuries. > > Rahu’s affliction of the 7H is also significant as well as Ketu’s > affliction to the ascendant. > > It would be useful to have more data about McCain’s father and younger > brother and his relationship with them. > > > Ron > > > --- > > </> Links > > > > > > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1518 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 9:46 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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