Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Hello dear list members, Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies By CHARLES DUHIGG Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic malaise, Wall Street is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come. One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the nation's most important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. After falling almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the companies would need to raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home mortgages, and traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But with Monday's plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of its market value this year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing unease about the possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing conviction consensus among investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove more severe, than initially feared. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/business/08fannie.html? em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11913 & ei=5087%0A SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello dear list members, > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hello dear list members, The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... The conjunction.of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the worth of the SAMVA USA chart. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > By CHARLES DUHIGG > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic malaise, Wall Street > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come. > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the nation's most > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. After falling > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the companies would need to > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home mortgages, and > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But with Monday's > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of its market value this > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing unease about the > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing conviction consensus among > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove more severe, than > initially feared. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/business/08fannie.html? > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11913 & ei=5087%0A > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the important developments respond to the transit placements and close afflictions and raise the level of confidence. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Hello dear list members,The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak...The conjunction.of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the worth of the SAMVA USA chart.Best wishes,Thor SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer wrote:>> Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies> By CHARLES DUHIGG> Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic malaise, Wall Street > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come.> One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the nation's most > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. After falling > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the companies would need to > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital.> > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home mortgages, and > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But with Monday's > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of its market value this > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing unease about the > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing conviction consensus among > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove more severe, than > initially feared.> > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/business/08fannie.html?> em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11913 & ei=5087%0A> > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear list members,> > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Hello my dear , Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit affliction. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello my dear Thor, > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the important developments respond to the transit placements and close afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > Hello dear list members, > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > The conjunction.of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic malaise, Wall Street > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come. > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the nation's most > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. After falling > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the companies would need to > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home mortgages, and > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But with Monday's > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of its market value this > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing unease about the > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing conviction consensus among > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove more severe, than > > initially feared. > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/business/08fannie.html? > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11913 & ei=5087%0A > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Dear friends, One more thought related to this: The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello my dear , > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit affliction. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the important developments respond to the transit placements and close afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > The conjunction.of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic malaise, Wall Street > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come. > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the nation's most > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. After falling > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the companies would need to > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home mortgages, and > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But with Monday's > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of its market value this > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing unease about the > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing conviction consensus among > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove more severe, than > > > initially feared. > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/business/08fannie.html? > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11913 & ei=5087%0A > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 Dear Thor, Ten out of ten so far. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Friday, July 11, 2008 7:40 AM Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Dear friends, One more thought related to this: The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello my dear , > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other influences > operating but I chose to signal the most important transit affliction. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued great. > > Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of mortgage > > debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of mortgage firms > > and investment banks exposed to them have continied to plunge. Fannie > > Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > The conjunction.of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial > > (in)stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing > > the worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic > > malaise, Wall Street > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come. > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the > > nation's most > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. > > After falling > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac > > tumbled another 18 > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the > > companies would need to > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home > > mortgages, and > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But > > with Monday's > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of > > its market value this > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing > > unease about the > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > > conviction consensus among > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove > > more severe, than > > > initially feared. > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/business/08fannie.html? > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11913 & ei=5087%0A > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > > (financial stability, debts) > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA > > chart was at its peak, > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and > > Freddie Mac, fell a > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Dear Thor, The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests the financial markets could be in for more "shocks" during September this Year as per the analysis done by u. Best Regards Ajay--- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: cosmologer <cosmologer Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plungeSAMVA Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM Dear friends,One more thought related to this:The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stageBest wishes,Thor SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:>> Hello my dear ,> > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit affliction.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ > wrote:> >> > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the important developments respond to the transit placements and close afflictions and raise the level of confidence.> > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM> > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak...> > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the worth of the SAMVA USA chart.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > wrote:> > >> > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies> > > By CHARLES DUHIGG> > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic malaise, Wall Street > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come.> > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the nation's most > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. After falling > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the companies would need to > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital.> > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home mortgages, and > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But with Monday's > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of its market value this > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing unease about the > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing conviction consensus among > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove more severe, than > > > initially feared.> > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html?> > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A> > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > Thor> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Dear Vyas and Ajay, Thanks for the feedback. It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions remains... As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely interesting times... Best wishes, Thor *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their energies in triple-transit all the more important. SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during September this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > Best Regards > Ajay > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > cosmologer <cosmologer > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > SAMVA > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM Dear friends, > > One more thought related to this: > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit affliction. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the important developments respond to the transit placements and close afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > cosmologer > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in) stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to come. > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares of the nation's most > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted. After falling > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that the companies would need to > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of home mortgages, and > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing economy. But with Monday's > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 percent of its market value this > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and growing unease about the > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing conviction consensus among > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, and prove more severe, than > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html? > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER (financial stability, debts) > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA USA chart was at its peak, > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear and list members, The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart. We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues. The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the problems should be overcome. Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear Vyas and Ajay, > > Thanks for the feedback. > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions > remains... > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > interesting times... > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests > the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during September > this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > > > Best Regards > > Ajay > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > SAMVA > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > One more thought related to this: > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit > affliction. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > cosmologer > > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in) > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the > worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to > come. > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares > of the nation's most > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, > plummeted. After falling > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that > the companies would need to > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of > home mortgages, and > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > percent of its market value this > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and > growing unease about the > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > conviction consensus among > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, > and prove more severe, than > > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html? > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear Thor: Your assessment is very good. Thanks for keeping us posted. David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of cosmologer Monday, July 14, 2008 6:36 PM SAMVA Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Dear and list members, The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart. We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues. The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the problems should be overcome. Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear Vyas and Ajay, > > Thanks for the feedback. > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions > remains... > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > interesting times... > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests > the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during September > this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > > > Best Regards > > Ajay > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > SAMVA > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > One more thought related to this: > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit > affliction. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > cosmologer > > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in) > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the > worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to > come. > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares > of the nation's most > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, > plummeted. After falling > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that > the companies would need to > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of > home mortgages, and > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > percent of its market value this > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and > growing unease about the > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > conviction consensus among > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, > and prove more severe, than > > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html? > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hello dear Mr. Thor, The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout the year. The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the fiancial stability of the financial institutions. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Dear and list members,The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart.We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues.The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the problems should be overcome.Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? Best wishes,Thor SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear Vyas and Ajay,> > Thanks for the feedback.> > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions > remains...> > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > interesting times...> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Thor,> > > > Ten out of ten so far.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > Vyas Munidas> > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote:> >> > > > > > Dear Thor,> > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests > the financial markets could be in for more "shocks" during September > this Year as per the analysis done by u.> > > > Best Regards> > Ajay> > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > SAMVA > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > One more thought related to this:> > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hello my dear ,> > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit > affliction.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > afflictions and raise the level of confidence.> > > > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > cosmologer > > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM> > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak...> > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)> stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the > worth of the SAMVA USA chart.> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies> > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG> > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to > come.> > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares > of the nation's most > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, > plummeted. After falling > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that > the companies would need to > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital.> > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of > home mortgages, and > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > percent of its market value this > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and > growing unease about the > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > conviction consensus among > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, > and prove more severe, than > > > > > initially feared.> > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html?> > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A> > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear , Thank you very much for the prediction. For clarification, is it based exclusively on the SAMVA USA chart? If so, we can note that - the affliction of nodes (crisis) to SUN (wealth) lasts until late September. - In August and September transit JUPITER (financial stability) and SATURN (easy gains) are under affliction of natal RAHU (crisis) - from August to November, JUPITER (problems to financial stability) afflicts 8th lord SATURN (easy gains) - in November JUPITER afflicts natal VENUS (homes) - From November until February, natal SATURN (obstacles and endings) afflicts transit SATURN (easy gains). Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout the year. > > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the fiancial stability of the financial institutions. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > Dear and list members, > > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart. > > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues. > > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the problems should be overcome. > > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vyas and Ajay, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions > > remains... > > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > interesting times... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests > > the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during September > > this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Ajay > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > One more thought related to this: > > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit > > affliction. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in) > > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to > > come. > > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares > > of the nation's most > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that > > the companies would need to > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and > > growing unease about the > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html? > > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Dear and list members, One related insight. Historically, financial and economic difficulties make it more likely that the candidate for President from the opposition party will win the elections in November. This year the situation could thus benefit the Democratic candidate for President. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear , > > Thank you very much for the prediction. For clarification, is it > based exclusively on the SAMVA USA chart? > > If so, we can note that > - the affliction of nodes (crisis) to SUN (wealth) lasts until late > September. > - In August and September transit JUPITER (financial stability) and > SATURN (easy gains) are under affliction of natal RAHU (crisis) > - from August to November, JUPITER (problems to financial stability) > afflicts 8th lord SATURN (easy gains) > - in November JUPITER afflicts natal VENUS (homes) > - From November until February, natal SATURN (obstacles and endings) > afflicts transit SATURN (easy gains). > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > > > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout > the year. > > > > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the > fiancial stability of the financial institutions. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial > companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, > natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. > Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I > am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a > further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me > that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I > expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely > consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw > out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart. > > > > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have > been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. > Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER > period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues. > > > > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve > the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions > have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the > financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to > a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from > the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the > problems should be overcome. > > > > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vyas and Ajay, > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > > predictions since last year in order to document how they > turned out. > > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and > digging up > > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow > the > > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the > predictions > > > remains... > > > > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related > to > > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage > credit, this > > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary > transit > > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. > Natal > > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the > transit > > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has > come > > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of > the > > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > > interesting times... > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the > ability to > > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes > in the > > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking > place > > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making > their > > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to > the > > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This > suggests > > > the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during > September > > > this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Ajay > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > One more thought related to this: > > > > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this > time were > > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This > lends > > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to > trace > > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy > of > > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such > evidence > > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in > other > > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are > other > > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important > transit > > > affliction. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show > that the > > > important developments respond to the transit placements and > close > > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies > plunge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have > continued > > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of > dollars of > > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have > continied to > > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of > fiancial (in) > > > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really > showing the > > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end > the > > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is > yet to > > > come. > > > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when > shares > > > of the nation's most > > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie > Mac, > > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one > day > > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns > that > > > the companies would need to > > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest > buyers of > > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market > and > > > growing unease about the > > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a > growing > > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last > longer, > > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. > html? > > > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " > <cosmologer@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord > JUPITER > > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the > SAMVA > > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, > Fannie > > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hello dear Mr. Thor, Yes, this is based on SAMVA USA chart. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:39 PM Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Dear ,Thank you very much for the prediction. For clarification, is it based exclusively on the SAMVA USA chart? If so, we can note that - the affliction of nodes (crisis) to SUN (wealth) lasts until late September. - In August and September transit JUPITER (financial stability) and SATURN (easy gains) are under affliction of natal RAHU (crisis)- from August to November, JUPITER (problems to financial stability) afflicts 8th lord SATURN (easy gains) - in November JUPITER afflicts natal VENUS (homes)- From November until February, natal SATURN (obstacles and endings) afflicts transit SATURN (easy gains).Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:>> Hello dear Mr. Thor,> > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout the year.> > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the fiancial stability of the financial institutions.> > Best wishes.> > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM> Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > Dear and list members,> > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart.> > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues.> > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the problems should be overcome.> > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > Best wishes,> > Thor > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Dear Vyas and Ajay,> > > > Thanks for the feedback.> > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions > > remains...> > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > interesting times...> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Thor,> > > > > > Ten out of ten so far.> > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > Vyas Munidas> > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Thor,> > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests > > the financial markets could be in for more "shocks" during September > > this Year as per the analysis done by u.> > > > > > Best Regards> > > Ajay> > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > SAMVA > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > One more thought related to this:> > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Hello my dear ,> > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit > > affliction.> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence.> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM> > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak...> > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)> > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart.> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies> > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG> > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to > > come.> > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares > > of the nation's most > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that > > the companies would need to > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital.> > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and > > growing unease about the > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > initially feared.> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html?> > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A> > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 My dear , Thank you for the prediction and clarification. I presume that we may then consider likely a setback with respect to output and employment in the economy going forward. given that the government will be challenged to preserve the stability of financial companies. As we have not analysed fully the transits in 2009 and beyond, when also the JUPITER period gives way to the SATURN period, we could also expect the issues at that time to shift to those of the indications ruled by SATURN and its transit condition in coming years. Fortunately, SATURN will be passing through good houses, although it will make some slow moving contacts to house MEPs, natal and transit planets at certain times in coming years, which could bring some significant events. That said, given the inherent strength of JUPITER and SUN in the natal chart, we could expect the financial system as a whole to weather the difficulties seen in the SAMVA USA chart. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > Yes, this is based on SAMVA USA chart. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:39 PM > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > Dear , > > Thank you very much for the prediction. For clarification, is it > based exclusively on the SAMVA USA chart? > > If so, we can note that > - the affliction of nodes (crisis) to SUN (wealth) lasts until late > September. > - In August and September transit JUPITER (financial stability) and > SATURN (easy gains) are under affliction of natal RAHU (crisis) > - from August to November, JUPITER (problems to financial stability) > afflicts 8th lord SATURN (easy gains) > - in November JUPITER afflicts natal VENUS (homes) > - From November until February, natal SATURN (obstacles and endings) > afflicts transit SATURN (easy gains). > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > > > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout > the year. > > > > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the > fiancial stability of the financial institutions. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial > companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, > natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. > Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I > am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a > further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me > that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I > expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely > consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw > out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart. > > > > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have > been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. > Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS- JUPITER > period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues. > > > > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve > the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions > have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the > financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to > a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from > the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the > problems should be overcome. > > > > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vyas and Ajay, > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > > predictions since last year in order to document how they > turned out. > > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and > digging up > > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow > the > > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the > predictions > > > remains... > > > > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related > to > > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage > credit, this > > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary > transit > > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. > Natal > > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the > transit > > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has > come > > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of > the > > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > > interesting times... > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the > ability to > > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes > in the > > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking > place > > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making > their > > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to > the > > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This > suggests > > > the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during > September > > > this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Ajay > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > One more thought related to this: > > > > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this > time were > > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This > lends > > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to > trace > > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy > of > > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such > evidence > > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in > other > > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are > other > > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important > transit > > > affliction. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show > that the > > > important developments respond to the transit placements and > close > > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies > plunge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have > continued > > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of > dollars of > > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have > continied to > > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of > fiancial (in) > > > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really > showing the > > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end > the > > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is > yet to > > > come. > > > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when > shares > > > of the nation's most > > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie > Mac, > > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one > day > > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns > that > > > the companies would need to > > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest > buyers of > > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market > and > > > growing unease about the > > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a > growing > > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last > longer, > > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. > html? > > > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " > <cosmologer@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord > JUPITER > > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the > SAMVA > > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, > Fannie > > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Hello dear Mr. Thor, Yes, your assumption in the last paragraph of your message is right. Best wishes. www.YourNetAstrologer.comA-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)Mobile phone: 9811016333 - cosmologer SAMVA Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:47 AM Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge My dear ,Thank you for the prediction and clarification.I presume that we may then consider likely a setback with respect to output and employment in the economy going forward. given that the government will be challenged to preserve the stability of financial companies. As we have not analysed fully the transits in 2009 and beyond, when also the JUPITER period gives way to the SATURN period, we could also expect the issues at that time to shift to those of the indications ruled by SATURN and its transit condition in coming years. Fortunately, SATURN will be passing through good houses, although it will make some slow moving contacts to house MEPs, natal and transit planets at certain times in coming years, which could bring some significant events. That said, given the inherent strength of JUPITER and SUN in the natal chart, we could expect the financial system as a whole to weather the difficulties seen in the SAMVA USA chart.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:>> > Hello dear Mr. Thor,> > Yes, this is based on SAMVA USA chart.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:39 PM> Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > Dear ,> > Thank you very much for the prediction. For clarification, is it > based exclusively on the SAMVA USA chart? > > If so, we can note that > - the affliction of nodes (crisis) to SUN (wealth) lasts until late > September. > - In August and September transit JUPITER (financial stability) and > SATURN (easy gains) are under affliction of natal RAHU (crisis)> - from August to November, JUPITER (problems to financial stability) > afflicts 8th lord SATURN (easy gains) > - in November JUPITER afflicts natal VENUS (homes)> - From November until February, natal SATURN (obstacles and endings) > afflicts transit SATURN (easy gains).> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear Mr. Thor,> > > > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout > the year.> > > > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the > fiancial stability of the financial institutions.> > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM> > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > > > Dear and list members,> > > > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial > companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, > natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. > Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I > am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a > further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me > that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I > expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely > consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw > out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart.> > > > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have > been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. > Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER > period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues.> > > > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve > the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions > have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the > financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to > a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from > the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the > problems should be overcome.> > > > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vyas and Ajay,> > > > > > Thanks for the feedback.> > > > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > > predictions since last year in order to document how they > turned out. > > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and > digging up > > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow > the > > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the > predictions > > > remains...> > > > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related > to > > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage > credit, this > > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary > transit > > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. > Natal > > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the > transit > > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has > come > > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of > the > > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > > interesting times...> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the > ability to > > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes > in the > > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking > place > > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making > their > > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Thor,> > > > > > > > Ten out of ten so far.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor,> > > > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to > the > > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This > suggests > > > the financial markets could be in for more "shocks" during > September > > > this Year as per the analysis done by u.> > > > > > > > Best Regards> > > > Ajay> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > One more thought related to this:> > > > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this > time were > > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This > lends > > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to > trace > > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy > of > > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such > evidence > > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in > other > > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ ...> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello my dear ,> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are > other > > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important > transit > > > affliction.> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show > that the > > > important developments respond to the transit placements and > close > > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM> > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies > plunge> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have > continued > > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of > dollars of > > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have > continied to > > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak...> > > > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of > fiancial (in)> > > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really > showing the > > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies> > > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG> > > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end > the > > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is > yet to > > > come.> > > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when > shares > > > of the nation's most > > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie > Mac, > > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one > day > > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns > that > > > the companies would need to > > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest > buyers of > > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market > and > > > growing unease about the > > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a > growing > > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last > longer, > > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > > initially feared.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. > html?> > > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" > <cosmologer@ > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord > JUPITER > > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the > SAMVA > > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, > Fannie > > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear friends, The outlook for the US financial system and economy appears to be again taking a turn for the worse. One hears the news everywhere and the share prices have been sliding for a number of days. This is consistent with what I and have predicted for the US economy based on the SAMVA USA Chart (Perpetual Union). See for instance: Message by from mid July: "The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout the year.The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the fiancial stability of the financial institutions." Around the same time, confirmed my assessment: "That said, given the inherent strength of JUPITER and SUN in the natal chart, we could expect the financial system as a whole to weather the difficulties seen in the SAMVA USA chart." The following predictions are also of interest: Saturday, June 21, 2008 Interesting times ahead in the USA The Week of August 3, 2008With most of the functional benefics in the Cancer rising SAMVA USA chart, 1st lord MOON, 2nd lord SUN, 3rd lord MERCURY and 10th lord MARS well placed in transit from late July, the situation should improve in many ways, including for the FINANCIAL MARKET. PREDICTION WAS REALISED. US MARKET CONDITIONS IMPROVED IN EARLY AUGUST. Saturday, May 24, 2008 The return of financial volatility Finally, around 20 June another difficult aspect would begin to be felt, the conjunction of transit Rahu with natal 2nd lord Sun at 23° 44´ Capricorn and 7th house. This aspect will become stationary within 1° orb from 17 July and will not clear until in mid October. It is expected to produce difficulty for the US Presidency (Sun). One possible manifestation is a scandal involving the US government covertly financing foreign governments to ensure their assistance in the fight against terrorism. This aspect, which also represents an affliction of the 2nd lord of wealth, would also be disturbing for the financial markets."The financial markets are now expected to remain volatile for the remainder of the year." Clearly, with the nodal station on the natal SUN and the applying aspect of transit 6th lord JUPITER to transit 8th lord SATURN in the chart, with both also under an applying afflicting aspect from natal RAHU, the tensions are increasing. Best wishes, Thor Nobel Laureates Say Credit Crunch Hurting Growth (Update1) By Simon Kennedy Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Nobel Prize-winning economists Myron Scholes and Daniel McFadden predicted the yearlong credit squeeze will inflict more pain on the world economy and financial markets. The crisis is ``not over and I'm not exactly sure when it's going to end,'' Scholes said today at a conference in Lindau, Germany, featuring 14 Nobel laureates in economics. McFadden said in an interview ``that as the crisis continues you will see a lot of business failures.'' A year since the U.S. housing slump sparked about $500 billion in credit-market losses for banks globally, the world's largest economies are all stumbling as rising borrowing costs combine with record commodity prices to sap growth. The U.S. is close to a recession and the euro-area and Japan contracted in the second quarter. ``The economy has really shown one sign after another of weakening,'' Martin Feldstein, the Harvard University economist, said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, where he's attending an annual Federal Reserve conference. Feldstein said he is ``much more pessimistic than a year ago'' about the outlook. Economists at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. today said that countries that account for half of the world economy face recession, while those at JPMorgan Chase & Co. estimate a global expansion of 1 percent this quarter, the weakest in seven years. Cutting Debt Financial institutions still need to cut back lending and strengthen their balance sheets by raising additional capital and selling assets, said Scholes, chairman of Platinum Grove Asset Management LP, a hedge fund based in Rye Brook, New York. That will hurt companies that have borrowed short-term debt to finance long-term activities, said McFadden, a professor at the University of California. ``There is still a tremendous amount of deleveraging still necessary,'' said Scholes, who was a partner in Long-Term Capital Management LP before it collapsed in 1998. Lone Star Funds, the Dallas-based private equity firm, today agreed to buy IKB Deutsche Industriebank AG after the German bank was felled by the subprime mortgage crisis. Bear Stearns Cos., the fifth-largest U.S. securities firm has already collapsed, while the bonds of regional banks such as National City Corp. and Keycorp are under pressure on expectations of more fallout. Lack of Regulation Speaking at the same event, Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University blamed U.S. and international regulators such as former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan for failing to restrain an explosion in financial innovation and lending that led borrowers to rack up debt they couldn't repay. He criticized guidelines known as Basel II for encouraging too much self-regulation of banks. ``It was a massive failure of the brains of the economy,'' said Stiglitz. ``There was a party going on and the regulator with the same mindset of those in the party didn't want to be a party pooper.'' McFadden suggested a financial equivalent of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration be established to monitor and certify new financial instruments. Scholes warned against a ``rush to regulation,'' arguing ``the cost of regulation may be far greater than its benefits.'' The economists spoke at a meeting of Nobel laureates attended by about 300 young researchers and held every two years. Scholes won the prize in 1997 for his work on derivatives, McFadden won three years later for studying how households make choices and Stiglitz won in 2001 for an analysis of how markets operate with uneven information. To contact the reporters on this story: Simon Kennedy in Lindau, Germany, at skennedy4 Last Updated: August 21, 2008 10:59 SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:59:17 AMRe: Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Hello dear Mr. Thor, Yes, your assumption in the last paragraph of your message is right. Best wishes. www.YourNetAstrologer.comA-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)Mobile phone: 9811016333 - cosmologer SAMVA Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:47 AM Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge My dear ,Thank you for the prediction and clarification.I presume that we may then consider likely a setback with respect to output and employment in the economy going forward. given that the government will be challenged to preserve the stability of financial companies. As we have not analysed fully the transits in 2009 and beyond, when also the JUPITER period gives way to the SATURN period, we could also expect the issues at that time to shift to those of the indications ruled by SATURN and its transit condition in coming years. Fortunately, SATURN will be passing through good houses, although it will make some slow moving contacts to house MEPs, natal and transit planets at certain times in coming years, which could bring some significant events. That said, given the inherent strength of JUPITER and SUN in the natal chart, we could expect the financial system as a whole to weather the difficulties seen in the SAMVA USA chart.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ ...> wrote:>> > Hello dear Mr. Thor,> > Yes, this is based on SAMVA USA chart.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:39 PM> Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > Dear ,> > Thank you very much for the prediction. For clarification, is it > based exclusively on the SAMVA USA chart? > > If so, we can note that > - the affliction of nodes (crisis) to SUN (wealth) lasts until late > September. > - In August and September transit JUPITER (financial stability) and > SATURN (easy gains) are under affliction of natal RAHU (crisis)> - from August to November, JUPITER (problems to financial stability) > afflicts 8th lord SATURN (easy gains) > - in November JUPITER afflicts natal VENUS (homes)> - From November until February, natal SATURN (obstacles and endings) > afflicts transit SATURN (easy gains).> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ > wrote:> >> > Hello dear Mr. Thor,> > > > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout > the year.> > > > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the > fiancial stability of the financial institutions.> > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM> > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > > > Dear and list members,> > > > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial > companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, > natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. > Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I > am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a > further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me > that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I > expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely > consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw > out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart.> > > > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have > been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. > Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER > period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues.> > > > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve > the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions > have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the > financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to > a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from > the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the > problems should be overcome.> > > > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vyas and Ajay,> > > > > > Thanks for the feedback.> > > > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > > predictions since last year in order to document how they > turned out. > > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and > digging up > > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow > the > > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the > predictions > > > remains...> > > > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related > to > > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage > credit, this > > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary > transit > > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. > Natal > > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the > transit > > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has > come > > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of > the > > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > > interesting times...> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the > ability to > > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes > in the > > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking > place > > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making > their > > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Thor,> > > > > > > > Ten out of ten so far.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor,> > > > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to > the > > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This > suggests > > > the financial markets could be in for more "shocks" during > September > > > this Year as per the analysis done by u.> > > > > > > > Best Regards> > > > Ajay> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@ >> > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > One more thought related to this:> > > > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this > time were > > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This > lends > > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to > trace > > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy > of > > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such > evidence > > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in > other > > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ ...> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hello my dear ,> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are > other > > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important > transit > > > affliction.> > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show > that the > > > important developments respond to the transit placements and > close > > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM> > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies > plunge> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have > continued > > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of > dollars of > > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have > continied to > > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak...> > > > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of > fiancial (in)> > > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really > showing the > > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies> > > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG> > > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end > the > > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is > yet to > > > come.> > > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when > shares > > > of the nation's most > > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie > Mac, > > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one > day > > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns > that > > > the companies would need to > > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest > buyers of > > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market > and > > > growing unease about the > > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a > growing > > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last > longer, > > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > > initially feared.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. > html?> > > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A> > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" > <cosmologer@ > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord > JUPITER > > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the > SAMVA > > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, > Fannie > > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Dear friends, New problems on the financial stability front are appearing every day as predicted based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual Union): 1. FDIC gets ready for more bank failures... Regulator, insurer boosts its staff and provisions as it faces its biggest challenge in decades By RUSSELL GRANTHAM Cox News Service Sunday, August 24, 2008 ATLANTA — The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. is one of those agencies with a low profile but essential role similar to plumbing or electricity — you don't notice it until the power's out or the basement's flooding. http://lnk.nu/statesman.com/nci.html 2. Close bank in Kansas; ninth collapse this year... Columbian Bank and Trust of Kansas Closed by U.S. Regulators By Alison Vekshin and Ari Levy Aug. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Columbian Bank and Trust Co. of Topeka, Kansas, was closed by U.S. regulators, the nation's ninth bank to collapse this year amid bad real-estate loans and writedowns stemming from a drop in home prices. http://lnk.nu/bloomberg.com/ncj 3. U.S. Stocks Drop, Led by Financial Shares, AIG, Banks Retreat By Elizabeth Stanton Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell for the first time in four days as a Kansas bank's failure and speculation American International Group Inc. will post a loss heightened concern that credit writedowns will keep rattling the financial system. AIG, the world's largest insurer, tumbled 5 percent after Credit Suisse Group said the company may lose $2.41 billion this quarter on mortgage-related writedowns. Washington Mutual Inc. and Huntington Bancshares Inc. each dropped more than 4 percent after Columbian Bank & Trust Co. became the ninth U.S. bank to collapse this year. Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. slumped 7 percent on concern a Korean bank will reconsider a potential investment in the fourth-biggest U.S. securities firm. http://lnk.nu/bloomberg.com/nck Best wishes, Thor PS A great place to shorten long URLs that otherwise tend to have line breaks and become unusable is http://minilink.org/ SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > The outlook for the US financial system and economy appears to be again taking a turn for the worse. One hears the news everywhere and the share prices have been sliding for a number of days. > This is consistent with what I and have predicted for the US economy based on the SAMVA USA Chart (Perpetual Union). > See for instance: > Message by from mid July: > " The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout the year. > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the fiancial stability of the financial institutions. " > Around the same time, confirmed my assessment: > " That said, given the inherent strength of JUPITER and SUN in the > natal chart, we could expect the financial system as a whole to > weather the difficulties seen in the SAMVA USA chart. " > > The following predictions are also of interest: > Saturday, June 21, 2008 > Interesting times ahead in the USA > The Week of August 3, 2008 > With most of the functional benefics in the Cancer rising SAMVA USA chart, 1st lord MOON, 2nd lord SUN, 3rd lord MERCURY and 10th lord MARS well placed in transit from late July, the situation should improve in many ways, including for the FINANCIAL MARKET. > > PREDICTION WAS REALISED. US MARKET CONDITIONS IMPROVED IN EARLY AUGUST. > Saturday, May 24, 2008 > The return of financial volatility > Finally, around 20 June another difficult aspect would begin to be felt, the conjunction of transit Rahu with natal 2nd lord Sun at 23° 44´ Capricorn and 7th house. This aspect will become stationary within 1° orb from 17 July and will not clear until in mid October. It is expected to produce difficulty for the US Presidency (Sun). One possible manifestation is a scandal involving the US government covertly financing foreign governments to ensure their assistance in the fight against terrorism. This aspect, which also represents an affliction of the 2nd lord of wealth, would also be disturbing for the financial markets. > > " The financial markets are now expected to remain volatile for the remainder of the year. " > Clearly, with the nodal station on the natal SUN and the applying aspect of transit 6th lord JUPITER to transit 8th lord SATURN in the chart, with both also under an applying afflicting aspect from natal RAHU, the tensions are increasing. > Best wishes, > Thor > Nobel Laureates Say Credit Crunch Hurting Growth (Update1) > > By Simon Kennedy > Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Nobel Prize-winning economists Myron Scholes and Daniel McFadden predicted the yearlong credit squeeze will inflict more pain on the world economy and financial markets. > The crisis is ``not over and I'm not exactly sure when it's going to end,'' Scholes said today at a conference in Lindau, Germany, featuring 14 Nobel laureates in economics. McFadden said in an interview ``that as the crisis continues you will see a lot of business failures.'' > A year since the U.S. housing slump sparked about $500 billion in credit-market losses for banks globally, the world's largest economies are all stumbling as rising borrowing costs combine with record commodity prices to sap growth. The U.S. is close to a recession and the euro-area and Japan contracted in the second quarter. > ``The economy has really shown one sign after another of weakening,'' Martin Feldstein, the Harvard University economist, said in a Bloomberg Television interview in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, where he's attending an annual Federal Reserve conference. Feldstein said he is ``much more pessimistic than a year ago'' about the outlook. > Economists at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. today said that countries that account for half of the world economy face recession, while those at JPMorgan Chase & Co. estimate a global expansion of 1 percent this quarter, the weakest in seven years. > Cutting Debt > Financial institutions still need to cut back lending and strengthen their balance sheets by raising additional capital and selling assets, said Scholes, chairman of Platinum Grove Asset Management LP, a hedge fund based in Rye Brook, New York. That will hurt companies that have borrowed short-term debt to finance long- term activities, said McFadden, a professor at the University of California. > ``There is still a tremendous amount of deleveraging still necessary,'' said Scholes, who was a partner in Long-Term Capital Management LP before it collapsed in 1998. > Lone Star Funds, the Dallas-based private equity firm, today agreed to buy IKB Deutsche Industriebank AG after the German bank was felled by the subprime mortgage crisis. Bear Stearns Cos., the fifth-largest U.S. securities firm has already collapsed, while the bonds of regional banks such as National City Corp. and Keycorp are under pressure on expectations of more fallout. > Lack of Regulation > Speaking at the same event, Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University blamed U.S. and international regulators such as former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan for failing to restrain an explosion in financial innovation and lending that led borrowers to rack up debt they couldn't repay. He criticized guidelines known as Basel II for encouraging too much self-regulation of banks. > ``It was a massive failure of the brains of the economy,'' said Stiglitz. ``There was a party going on and the regulator with the same mindset of those in the party didn't want to be a party pooper.'' > McFadden suggested a financial equivalent of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration be established to monitor and certify new financial instruments. Scholes warned against a ``rush to regulation,'' arguing ``the cost of regulation may be far greater than its benefits.'' > The economists spoke at a meeting of Nobel laureates attended by about 300 young researchers and held every two years. Scholes won the prize in 1997 for his work on derivatives, McFadden won three years later for studying how households make choices and Stiglitz won in 2001 for an analysis of how markets operate with uneven information. > To contact the reporters on this story: Simon Kennedy in Lindau, Germany, at skennedy4 > Last Updated: August 21, 2008 10:59 > > > > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > SAMVA > Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:59:17 AM > Re: Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > Yes, your assumption in the last paragraph of your message is right. > > Best wishes. > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India). > Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124) > Mobile phone: 9811016333 > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:47 AM > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > My dear , > > Thank you for the prediction and clarification. > > I presume that we may then consider likely a setback with respect to > output and employment in the economy going forward. given that the > government will be challenged to preserve the stability of financial > companies. As we have not analysed fully the transits in 2009 and > beyond, when also the JUPITER period gives way to the SATURN period, > we could also expect the issues at that time to shift to those of the > indications ruled by SATURN and its transit condition in coming > years. Fortunately, SATURN will be passing through good houses, > although it will make some slow moving contacts to house MEPs, natal > and transit planets at certain times in coming years, which > could bring some significant events. > > That said, given the inherent strength of JUPITER and SUN in the > natal chart, we could expect the financial system as a whole to > weather the difficulties seen in the SAMVA USA chart. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > > > Yes, this is based on SAMVA USA chart. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > cosmologer > > SAMVA > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:39 PM > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > Dear , > > > > Thank you very much for the prediction. For clarification, is it > > based exclusively on the SAMVA USA chart? > > > > If so, we can note that > > - the affliction of nodes (crisis) to SUN (wealth) lasts until > late > > September. > > - In August and September transit JUPITER (financial stability) > and > > SATURN (easy gains) are under affliction of natal RAHU (crisis) > > - from August to November, JUPITER (problems to financial > stability) > > afflicts 8th lord SATURN (easy gains) > > - in November JUPITER afflicts natal VENUS (homes) > > - From November until February, natal SATURN (obstacles and > endings) > > afflicts transit SATURN (easy gains). > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > > > > > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist > throughout > > the year. > > > > > > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the > > fiancial stability of the financial institutions. > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > cosmologer > > > SAMVA > > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > > > > Dear and list members, > > > > > > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial > > companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > > > > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. > Presently, > > natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. > > Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. > As I > > am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give > a > > further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes > me > > that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than > what I > > expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely > > consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to > draw > > out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the > chart. > > > > > > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have > > been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. > > Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS- > JUPITER > > period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues. > > > > > > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to > preserve > > the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial > institutions > > have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that > the > > financial intermediation or lending to households and firms > comes.to > > a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect > from > > the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, > the > > problems should be overcome. > > > > > > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vyas and Ajay, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > > > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > > > predictions since last year in order to document how they > > turned out. > > > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and > > digging up > > > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow > > the > > > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work > is > > > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the > > predictions > > > > remains... > > > > > > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets > related > > to > > > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage > > credit, this > > > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary > > transit > > > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. > > Natal > > > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the > > transit > > > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has > > come > > > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of > > the > > > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > > > interesting times... > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the > > ability to > > > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of > homes > > in the > > > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking > > place > > > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making > > their > > > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > > > > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to > > the > > > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This > > suggests > > > > the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during > > September > > > > this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Ajay > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@ > > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > One more thought related to this: > > > > > > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this > > time were > > > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. > This > > lends > > > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability > to > > trace > > > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive > efficacy > > of > > > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such > > evidence > > > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in > > other > > > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " > <cosmologer@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are > > other > > > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important > > transit > > > > affliction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show > > that the > > > > important developments respond to the transit placements and > > close > > > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies > > plunge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have > > continued > > > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of > > dollars of > > > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares > of > > > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have > > continied to > > > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of > > fiancial (in) > > > > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really > > showing the > > > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " > <cosmologer@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to > end > > the > > > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is > > yet to > > > > come. > > > > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when > > shares > > > > of the nation's most > > > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie > > Mac, > > > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one > > day > > > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns > > that > > > > the companies would need to > > > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest > > buyers of > > > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the > housing > > > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than > 60 > > > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market > > and > > > > growing unease about the > > > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a > > growing > > > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last > > longer, > > > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ > 08fannie. > > html? > > > > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " > > <cosmologer@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord > > JUPITER > > > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in > the > > SAMVA > > > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, > > Fannie > > > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Hello dear list members, Those of you are trying to see when the financial difficulties in US end, I append my prediction dated 15th July, 2008, on SAMVA. Difficulties are persisting and the President Bush could not get vote for the bailout package/economy rescue plan. The following reiteration was made again on 18th September, 2008: "It has earlier been brought out on the list that the transit influences are continuously exerting unfavorable pressures on the economies of USA and India. While Venus is likely to gain strength, the Sun is likely to lose strength. The impact of Jupiter continues on Saturn in both the cases. The impact of Saturn in US chart continues for some time on the MEP of houses occupied and aspected." I am fully confident now that the SAMVA US Chart truly represents US. Best wishes. - SIHA SAMVA Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:46 AM Re: Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Hello dear Mr. Thor, The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout the year. The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the fiancial stability of the financial institutions. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge Dear and list members,The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart.We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues.The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the problems should be overcome.Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? Best wishes,Thor SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear Vyas and Ajay,> > Thanks for the feedback.> > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions > remains...> > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > interesting times...> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <munidas@> wrote:> >> > Dear Thor,> > > > Ten out of ten so far.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > Vyas Munidas> > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote:> >> > > > > > Dear Thor,> > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests > the financial markets could be in for more "shocks" during September > this Year as per the analysis done by u.> > > > Best Regards> > Ajay> > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > SAMVA > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > One more thought related to this:> > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hello my dear ,> > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit > affliction.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Hello my dear Thor,> > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > afflictions and raise the level of confidence.> > > > > > > > Best wishes.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > cosmologer > > > > SAMVA > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM> > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak...> > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in)> stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the > worth of the SAMVA USA chart.> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies> > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG> > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to > come.> > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares > of the nation's most > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, > plummeted. After falling > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that > the companies would need to > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital.> > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of > home mortgages, and > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > percent of its market value this > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and > growing unease about the > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > conviction consensus among > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, > and prove more severe, than > > > > > initially feared.> > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html?> > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A> > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@ > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hello dear list members,> > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 My dear , Congratulations on the very accurate predictions - both in terms of nature and timing - which confirm yet again your true mastery of the science of the stars. I am also very pleased to have your full endorsement of the authenticity of the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual Union). I appreciate the weight of your oppinion, it has been given after a careful consideration and repeat accurate predictions to establish the truth of the matter beyond doubt. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello dear list members, > > Those of you are trying to see when the financial difficulties in US end, I append my prediction dated 15th July, 2008, on SAMVA. > > Difficulties are persisting and the President Bush could not get vote for the bailout package/economy rescue plan. > > The following reiteration was made again on 18th September, 2008: > > " It has earlier been brought out on the list that the transit influences are continuously exerting unfavorable pressures on the economies of USA and India. While Venus is likely to gain strength, the Sun is likely to lose strength. The impact of Jupiter continues on Saturn in both the cases. The impact of Saturn in US chart continues for some time on the MEP of houses occupied and aspected. " > > I am fully confident now that the SAMVA US Chart truly represents US. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > SIHA > SAMVA > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:46 AM > Re: Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > Hello dear Mr. Thor, > > The significant unfavorable transit influences persist throughout the year. > > The authorities will find it quite difficult to preserve the fiancial stability of the financial institutions. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06 AM > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > Dear and list members, > > The stock market worries continue in the USA with 'financial companies' bearing the brunt of the declines today. > > In SA the indicators of banks are the SUN and JUPITER. Presently, natal 2nd lord SUN is transit afflicted by the stationary NODES. Moreover, transit 6th lord JUPITER is afflicting 4th lord VENUS. As I am temporarily without astrology software or acess, I cannot give a further accounting of the transit influences. However, it strikes me that the downturn at present is somewhat more pronounced than what I expected. That is not to say however that it is not completely consistent with the SAMVA USA chart - it is! I only say this to draw out how hard it is to quantify the 'difficulties' seen in the chart. > > We must also keep in mind that natal SUN and natal VENUS have been repeatedly 'shocked' with hard transits since early 2007. Moreover, those shocks we're taking place during the VENUS-JUPITER period which has to do with 'financial stability' issues. > > The question comes up if the authorities will be able to preserve the fiancial stability by ensuring that the financial institutions have sufficient funds and do not go bankrupt to the extent that the financial intermediation or lending to households and firms comes.to a screeching halt.With JUPITER natally strong and under aspect from the MOON as 1st lord in the 11th house and the SUN also strong, the problems should be overcome. > > Do you agree with this analysis and overall assessment? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vyas and Ajay, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > It remains to be done to do a through inventory of the many > > predictions since last year in order to document how they turned out. > > This requires going over the revelant posts on SAMVA and digging up > > the news concerning their realisation. I have tried to follow the > > major predictions and account for them, so some of the work is > > already there on SAMVA, but the job of compiling the predictions > > remains... > > > > As for the present difficulties in US financial markets related to > > the threat of default by the largest issuers of mortgage credit, this > > is likely also explained* by the affliction of now stationary transit > > RAHU to the natal SUN as 2nd lord of wealth in the 7th house. Natal > > SATURN as 8th lord of obstacles has also been afflicting the transit > > RAHU and under the aspect of transit KETU. The government has come > > under renewed pressure from this situation, as a takeover of the > > troubled institutions could loom ahead. These are definitely > > interesting times... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > *) in addition to the transit JUPITER as 6th lord of the ability to > > pay back debts being conjunct natal VENUS as 4th lord of homes in the > > sign of SAGITTARIUS and 6th house. This conjunction is taking place > > during the VENUS major period and JUPITER sub period, making their > > energies in triple-transit all the more important. > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > Ten out of ten so far. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , ajay sehg <ajaysehg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor, > > > > > > The Samva US chart is exactly confirming to the > > earlier predictions done by u, which have come true. This suggests > > the financial markets could be in for more " shocks " during September > > this Year as per the analysis done by u. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Ajay > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, July 11, 2008, 4:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > One more thought related to this: > > > > > > The increased difficulties for the housing market at this time were > > ACCURATELY PREDICTED on the basis of the SAMVA USA chart. This lends > > further credibility to the chart. The chart gives an ability to trace > > out the actual developments IN ADVANCE. The predictive efficacy of > > the chart has now been repeatedly demonstrated. I find such evidence > > for its authenticity to be impressive. I'd be interested in other > > list members views on the SAMVA USA chart at this stage > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello my dear , > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing your assessment. Indeed there are other > > influences operating but I chose to signal the most important transit > > affliction. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > > > > > > > > > The close planetary influences in USA SAMVA chart show that the > > important developments respond to the transit placements and close > > afflictions and raise the level of confidence. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > cosmologer > > > > > SAMVA > > > > > Friday, July 11, 2008 8:34 AM > > > > > Re: Shares of US mortgage companies plunge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > The concerns about the mortage debt in the USA have continued > > great. Influential persons have suggested the trillions of dollars of > > mortgage debts of the USA are at risk of default. The shares of > > mortgage firms and investment banks exposed to them have continied to > > plunge. Fannie Mae is now 80 percent below its peak... > > > > > > > > > > The conjunction. of transit JUPITER as 6th lord of fiancial (in) > > stability and VENUS as 4th lorf of fixed assets is really showing the > > worth of the SAMVA USA chart. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mortgage Fears Depress Shares at Two Agencies > > > > > > By CHARLES DUHIGG > > > > > > Published: July 8, 2008 | New York Times > > > > > > As home prices decline and Washington struggles to end the > > economic malaise, Wall Street > > > > > > is starting to send a sobering message: The worst is yet to > > come. > > > > > > One of the strongest warning signs came Monday, when shares > > of the nation's most > > > > > > important mortgage companies, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, > > plummeted. After falling > > > > > > almost continuously over the past month, in just one day > > Freddie Mac tumbled another 18 > > > > > > percent, and Fannie Mae lost 16 percent amid concerns that > > the companies would need to > > > > > > raise billions of dollars in fresh capital. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the nation's largest buyers of > > home mortgages, and > > > > > > traditionally the government's backstop for the housing > > economy. But with Monday's > > > > > > plunge, each of these giants has now lost more than 60 > > percent of its market value this > > > > > > year. The declines, along with a falling stock market and > > growing unease about the > > > > > > possibility of more red ink at big banks, reflect a growing > > conviction consensus among > > > > > > investors that the current housing slump will last longer, > > and prove more severe, than > > > > > > initially feared. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 07/08/business/ 08fannie. html? > > > > > > em & ex=1215662400 & en=89fd2028a5a11 913 & ei=5087% 0A > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello dear list members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday, when the conjunction of transit 6th lord JUPITER > > (financial stability, debts) > > > > > > with natal 4th lord VENUS (fixed assets, homes) in the SAMVA > > USA chart was at its peak, > > > > > > the shares of the nations largest mortgage companies, Fannie > > Mae and Freddie Mac, fell a > > > > > > stunning 16 and 18 percent, respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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