Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear friends, Further to my last message - it is clear that a new state was created in 1996: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS This union reminds of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 which still serves as the basis for the horoscope for the UK. Below please find more information on this historic event. Since 1996, Belarus has been negotiating with Russia to unify into a single state called the Union of Russia and Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussia Originally, the Commonwealth of Russia and Belarus was formed on April 2, 1996. The basis of the union was strengthened on April 2, 1997, with the signing of the "Treaty on the Union between Belarus and Russia" at which time its name was changed to the Union of Belarus and Russia. Several further agreements were signed on December 25, 1998, with the intention of providing greater political, economic, and social integration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus On 2 April 1996 in Moscow, the President of Belarus A.G.Lukashenko and the President of the Russian federation B. Yeltsin signed the Treaty on the Creation of the Union Between Belarus and Russia. The Union treaty is entitled “On deepening integration and comprehensive drawing together.” The treaty provides for the creation of an Interparliamentary Congress with 50 parliamentarians from each side, an executive body called the Integration Committee and a Union Court. According to president Lukashenka, a common parliament and constitution could follow later. The name of the new union (SSR in Russian) bears a striking resemblance with the name of the old USSR (SSSR). On April 2, 1997 Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Belarus-Russia Union. [note: this information appeared on the net. It is possible a more formal treaty was signed one year after the original treaty. However, it is also likely that this information is a misprint.] The Union Statute or Charter was formally adopted on 23 May 1997. On December 8, 1999, Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Union State and the program of action to implement the Treaty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:47:09 PMRe: RUSSIA - provisional new chart - OMISSION corrected Omission - crucial date missing in text: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSROn March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia ON 2 APRIL 1996, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:42:04 PM RUSSIA - provisional new chart Dear friends, The search for an authentic chart for RUSSIA is made difficult by the countries long existence and repeated convolutions of its territories and government structures. Many astrologers are focusing on the breakdown of the USSR and the emergence of Russia in the context of the Commonwealth of Independent Sates in the early 1990s for a potential chart. I have looked at these charts and not found the proper set of natal potentials and transit influences to explain ongoing events in the country. I therefore went back to the drawing board. When reading through the chapter on Russia again in the "Book of World Horoscopes" by Nicholas Campion (1996 ed.) I read the concluding segment, which I reproduce below, with renewed interest: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." This information, which I had earlier not considered so important, impressed me on second reading as having some potential to explain the real Russia - including the Belorus. It was, however, not until after I cast and examined the chart for this date and time, that I became really impressed. Below, I share with you my initial reading: This time and location gives 20° 44' Gemini rising, a very fortunate ascendant due to fewer functional malefics. The 3rd lord SUN and 7th lord JUPITER are very strong in the chart, but the 4th house and its lord MERCURY are very afflicted. At the same time, the 2nd lord MOON is weak and its house afflicted. These salient facts suggest this chart merits further study. - 3rd lord SUN at 19° 01' Pisces is closely conjunct the 10th house MEP, giving significant political influence, a very strong state and a President. The SUN is conjunt natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces, which is not a serious concern due to the strength of the Sun and orb of affliction. - 2nd lord MOON at 28° 37' Leo and 3rd house gives some influence from initiatives and public pronouncements. The Moon has just over 50% strength in this placement. The weakness is aggravated by the affliction of the 2nd house by KETU at 23° 20' Pisces. This makes Russia's status, wealth and relations with neighboring countries vulnerable to setbacks. -4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' Pisces and the 10th house MEP, is debilitated, combust and closely conjunct natal KETU at 23° 20'. Further RAHU at 23° 20' Virgo is closely conjunct the 4th house MEP. These placements suggest 4th house matters, including natural resources, communal harmony and fixed assets, are highly vulnerable to sudden setbacks and crisis. As RAHU also aspects the 12th and 8th houses, it could explain the role of the secret service (formerly the KGB) in clamping down on dissent and the apparent murder of notable journalists who made a a name for themselves by criticising the methods of Putin (a former KGB man). The condition of journalism is ndicated by MERCURY. The Putin government has also silenced critics abroad, esp. Litvinenko, former KGB spy and informant to the West, who was poisened to death in London in the fall of 2006 allegedly by another spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6179074.stm - 9th lord JUPITER at 22° 15' Sagittarius is conjunct the 7th house MEP, giving an expansive foreign policy and divine protection in this area. The religious and judicial affairs in the country would have international importance. The Russian Orthodox church is increasingly becoming important as it has re-established its presence in the country and in other countries after the fall of materialist Communism. Russian leaders of industrial companies would be powerful, both at home and abroad. The placement is also highly supportive of the indications of the 11th house of ideals and income, 1st house of self and fame and 3rd house of initiatives, commerce and transportation. Interestingly, the famed writer Solshinetzin, the most notable 20th century critic of the excesses of the USSR, felt that the West had become corrupt and needed to rely more on its Christian heritage to restore the earlier glory. Russia's nationbuilding now seems to be advancing on this idea and this chart reflects that with this placement. Shortly before his death, Putin officially restored the status of Solshinetzin to the equivalent of national treasure. - 11th lord MARS at 12° 55' Pisces and 10th house, is well placed but slightly weakened by combustion. It is therefore reasonably strong, suggesting Russia has adequate military power and its income and ideals are linked to its place in the world. - 9th lord SATURN at 5° 34' Pisces in the 10th house is well placed and widely combust, which suggests some luck in this area as well. - 5th lord VENUS at 4° 53' Taurus is badly placed in the 12th house. The affliction of RAHU to the 12th house helps explain the adverse conditions of women in Russia, many of which have been exploited by a growing sex industry. It also suggests such areas as entertainment and stock speculation would not do well and might be more oriented towards foreign markets. Many very rich people in Russia, who want to live in luxury, have largely been forced to emigrate to countries like the UK and Switzerland. Luxury or creature comforts do not seem to be prominent in the daily life of most Russians. Many women in Russia seek to marry better off men in the west through the internet. The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. * Moon/KETU period is now operating since 14 August 2008. This suggests Russia may become increasingly isolated in until next year. - transit stationary KETU at 24° 30' Cancer and 2nd house MEP is exactly afflicting natal 4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' and natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces and 10th house. Sudden setbacks are being realised in terms of the countries wealth and status and its communal harmony. - transit stationary RAHU at 24° 30' Capricorn and 8th house MEP of obstacles is mutually afflicting its own placement in the 4th house and the 4th house. Even if the Russian need to assert its influence is now on prominent display, it will likely result in upsets for the Russian people. This crisis should begin to lift later this year, as the nodal station lifts and be gone by Spring 2009. By 2010, when the SUN period begins, things are likely to improve significantly. Even if this crisis is making Russia look like a bully, it is likely the crisis also has to do with the Wests underestimation of Russias own sense of itself and its sense of its own rightful place in the world. One notable event in Russia's history is the countries default on its international debt obligations on 19 August 1998. The value of Russian assets and its currency, the Rouble, collapsed and many thought the country would fall apart (George Soros publised article in Financial Times on that day saying the crisis had reached its "terminal phase"). The timeline of the crisis is shown here. http://www.efinancialnews.com/tradingandtechnology/trading/content/2451494061 * Sun/SATURN period was operating - Transit stationary RAHU at 7° Leo was in close aspect with transit stationary and debilitated SATURN at 8° Aries in the 11th house of income. Russia did not have enough income to service its obligations. - transit MERCURY was retrograde around 23° Cancer and second house of wealth under the close aspect of natal KETU. Fixed assets and collective harmony in Russia suffered a serious setback. Many politicians called for President Yeltsin to resign. The crisis ended after the very harmful aspect of Rahu to Saturn came to an end in early 1999. Putin comes to power in August 1999 and Russia has for the most part been in ascendancy since, including the startling assertion of state power over oligarchs and critics abroad. I believe this 20° Gemini chart merits careful consideration as the authentic chart for RUSSIA. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Some further information: The Union of Russia and Belarus has been characterised as follows: "Belarus has been closely allied with Moscow and forms a loose union state with Russia." Since 2000, the offical currency of Belarus is the Russian Ruble. "The currency of Belarus is the Belarusian ruble (BYR). The currency was introduced in May 1992, replacing the Soviet ruble. The ruble was reintroduced with new values in 2000 and has been in use ever since. As part of the Union of Russia and Belarus, both states have discussed using a single currency along the same lines as the Euro. This has led to the proposal that the Belarusian ruble be discontinued in favor of the Russian ruble (RUB), starting as early as 1 January 2008. As of August 2007, the National Bank of Belarus is no longer pegging the Belarusian ruble to the Russian ruble. The banking system of Belarus is composed of 30 state-owned banks and one privatized bank." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus The two countries had a brief dispute over energy in early 2007. "The Russia-Belarus energy dispute began when Russian state-owned gas supplier Gazprom demanded an increase in gas prices paid by Belarus, a country which has been closely allied with Moscow and forms a loose union state with Russia. It escalated on January 8, 2007, when the Russian state-owned pipeline company Transneft stopped pumping oil into the Druzhba pipeline which runs through Belarus because Belarus was siphoning the oil off the pipe without mutual agreement. On January 10, Transneft resumed oil exports through the pipeline after Belarus ended the tariff that sparked the shutdown, despite differing messages from the parties on the state of negotiations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia-Belarus_energy_dispute The issue was resolved The political cooperation between heads of state has been increasing. "On May 27, 2008, President Lukashenko, acting in his current capacity as Chairman of the Supreme State Council named current Russian Prime Minister, and former President, Vladimir Putin Chairman of the Council of Ministers. This move has raised speculation that the Union is about to undergo a significant political transformation as a vehicle for Prime Minister Putin's political objectives after he was constitutionally barred from seeking a third term as President of the Russian Federation in 2008. Until now, the most visible and arguably important official in the Union has been the State Secretary, who runs the Union State's day to day operations. In the same meeting, State Secretary Borodin announced that the 2009 Union State budget would total 6-7 billion Russian rubles, an increase of over 2 billion rubles from 2008." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:56:52 PM THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear friends, Further to my last message - it is clear that a new state was created in 1996: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS This union reminds of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 which still serves as the basis for the horoscope for the UK. Below please find more information on this historic event. Since 1996, Belarus has been negotiating with Russia to unify into a single state called the Union of Russia and Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussia Originally, the Commonwealth of Russia and Belarus was formed on April 2, 1996. The basis of the union was strengthened on April 2, 1997, with the signing of the "Treaty on the Union between Belarus and Russia" at which time its name was changed to the Union of Belarus and Russia. Several further agreements were signed on December 25, 1998, with the intention of providing greater political, economic, and social integration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus On 2 April 1996 in Moscow, the President of Belarus A.G.Lukashenko and the President of the Russian federation B. Yeltsin signed the Treaty on the Creation of the Union Between Belarus and Russia. The Union treaty is entitled “On deepening integration and comprehensive drawing together.” The treaty provides for the creation of an Interparliamentary Congress with 50 parliamentarians from each side, an executive body called the Integration Committee and a Union Court. According to president Lukashenka, a common parliament and constitution could follow later. The name of the new union (SSR in Russian) bears a striking resemblance with the name of the old USSR (SSSR). On April 2, 1997 Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Belarus-Russia Union. [note: this information appeared on the net. It is possible a more formal treaty was signed one year after the original treaty. However, it is also likely that this information is a misprint.] The Union Statute or Charter was formally adopted on 23 May 1997. On December 8, 1999, Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Union State and the program of action to implement the Treaty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:47:09 PMRe: RUSSIA - provisional new chart - OMISSION corrected Omission - crucial date missing in text: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSROn March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia ON 2 APRIL 1996, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:42:04 PM RUSSIA - provisional new chart Dear friends, The search for an authentic chart for RUSSIA is made difficult by the countries long existence and repeated convolutions of its territories and government structures. Many astrologers are focusing on the breakdown of the USSR and the emergence of Russia in the context of the Commonwealth of Independent Sates in the early 1990s for a potential chart. I have looked at these charts and not found the proper set of natal potentials and transit influences to explain ongoing events in the country. I therefore went back to the drawing board. When reading through the chapter on Russia again in the "Book of World Horoscopes" by Nicholas Campion (1996 ed.) I read the concluding segment, which I reproduce below, with renewed interest: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." This information, which I had earlier not considered so important, impressed me on second reading as having some potential to explain the real Russia - including the Belorus. It was, however, not until after I cast and examined the chart for this date and time, that I became really impressed. Below, I share with you my initial reading: This time and location gives 20° 44' Gemini rising, a very fortunate ascendant due to fewer functional malefics. The 3rd lord SUN and 7th lord JUPITER are very strong in the chart, but the 4th house and its lord MERCURY are very afflicted. At the same time, the 2nd lord MOON is weak and its house afflicted. These salient facts suggest this chart merits further study. - 3rd lord SUN at 19° 01' Pisces is closely conjunct the 10th house MEP, giving significant political influence, a very strong state and a President. The SUN is conjunt natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces, which is not a serious concern due to the strength of the Sun and orb of affliction. - 2nd lord MOON at 28° 37' Leo and 3rd house gives some influence from initiatives and public pronouncements. The Moon has just over 50% strength in this placement. The weakness is aggravated by the affliction of the 2nd house by KETU at 23° 20' Pisces. This makes Russia's status, wealth and relations with neighboring countries vulnerable to setbacks. -4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' Pisces and the 10th house MEP, is debilitated, combust and closely conjunct natal KETU at 23° 20'. Further RAHU at 23° 20' Virgo is closely conjunct the 4th house MEP. These placements suggest 4th house matters, including natural resources, communal harmony and fixed assets, are highly vulnerable to sudden setbacks and crisis. As RAHU also aspects the 12th and 8th houses, it could explain the role of the secret service (formerly the KGB) in clamping down on dissent and the apparent murder of notable journalists who made a a name for themselves by criticising the methods of Putin (a former KGB man). The condition of journalism is ndicated by MERCURY. The Putin government has also silenced critics abroad, esp. Litvinenko, former KGB spy and informant to the West, who was poisened to death in London in the fall of 2006 allegedly by another spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6179074.stm - 9th lord JUPITER at 22° 15' Sagittarius is conjunct the 7th house MEP, giving an expansive foreign policy and divine protection in this area. The religious and judicial affairs in the country would have international importance. The Russian Orthodox church is increasingly becoming important as it has re-established its presence in the country and in other countries after the fall of materialist Communism. Russian leaders of industrial companies would be powerful, both at home and abroad. The placement is also highly supportive of the indications of the 11th house of ideals and income, 1st house of self and fame and 3rd house of initiatives, commerce and transportation. Interestingly, the famed writer Solshinetzin, the most notable 20th century critic of the excesses of the USSR, felt that the West had become corrupt and needed to rely more on its Christian heritage to restore the earlier glory. Russia's nationbuilding now seems to be advancing on this idea and this chart reflects that with this placement. Shortly before his death, Putin officially restored the status of Solshinetzin to the equivalent of national treasure. - 11th lord MARS at 12° 55' Pisces and 10th house, is well placed but slightly weakened by combustion. It is therefore reasonably strong, suggesting Russia has adequate military power and its income and ideals are linked to its place in the world. - 9th lord SATURN at 5° 34' Pisces in the 10th house is well placed and widely combust, which suggests some luck in this area as well. - 5th lord VENUS at 4° 53' Taurus is badly placed in the 12th house. The affliction of RAHU to the 12th house helps explain the adverse conditions of women in Russia, many of which have been exploited by a growing sex industry. It also suggests such areas as entertainment and stock speculation would not do well and might be more oriented towards foreign markets. Many very rich people in Russia, who want to live in luxury, have largely been forced to emigrate to countries like the UK and Switzerland. Luxury or creature comforts do not seem to be prominent in the daily life of most Russians. Many women in Russia seek to marry better off men in the west through the internet. The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. * Moon/KETU period is now operating since 14 August 2008. This suggests Russia may become increasingly isolated in until next year. - transit stationary KETU at 24° 30' Cancer and 2nd house MEP is exactly afflicting natal 4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' and natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces and 10th house. Sudden setbacks are being realised in terms of the countries wealth and status and its communal harmony. - transit stationary RAHU at 24° 30' Capricorn and 8th house MEP of obstacles is mutually afflicting its own placement in the 4th house and the 4th house. Even if the Russian need to assert its influence is now on prominent display, it will likely result in upsets for the Russian people. This crisis should begin to lift later this year, as the nodal station lifts and be gone by Spring 2009. By 2010, when the SUN period begins, things are likely to improve significantly. Even if this crisis is making Russia look like a bully, it is likely the crisis also has to do with the Wests underestimation of Russias own sense of itself and its sense of its own rightful place in the world. One notable event in Russia's history is the countries default on its international debt obligations on 19 August 1998. The value of Russian assets and its currency, the Rouble, collapsed and many thought the country would fall apart (George Soros publised article in Financial Times on that day saying the crisis had reached its "terminal phase"). The timeline of the crisis is shown here. http://www.efinancialnews.com/tradingandtechnology/trading/content/2451494061 * Sun/SATURN period was operating - Transit stationary RAHU at 7° Leo was in close aspect with transit stationary and debilitated SATURN at 8° Aries in the 11th house of income. Russia did not have enough income to service its obligations. - transit MERCURY was retrograde around 23° Cancer and second house of wealth under the close aspect of natal KETU. Fixed assets and collective harmony in Russia suffered a serious setback. Many politicians called for President Yeltsin to resign. The crisis ended after the very harmful aspect of Rahu to Saturn came to an end in early 1999. Putin comes to power in August 1999 and Russia has for the most part been in ascendancy since, including the startling assertion of state power over oligarchs and critics abroad. I believe this 20° Gemini chart merits careful consideration as the authentic chart for RUSSIA. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear and list members, Enclosed is a link with some further information about the Union. http://www.answers.com/topic/russia-belarus-union It shows that the Union was formally established on April 2, 1997, exactly one year after the initial treaty to form the union was signed. This raises the question of which date is more important to explain the new entity. The earlier date and time given by Campion works for Russia, while a similar chart one year later does not seem to work. For some mysterious reason, the original treaty to form the union appears to stand out as the most significant. However, I would be interested in the comments of others on the proposed chart, in particular . Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:56:52 PM THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear friends, Further to my last message - it is clear that a new state was created in 1996: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS This union reminds of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 which still serves as the basis for the horoscope for the UK. Below please find more information on this historic event. Since 1996, Belarus has been negotiating with Russia to unify into a single state called the Union of Russia and Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussia Originally, the Commonwealth of Russia and Belarus was formed on April 2, 1996. The basis of the union was strengthened on April 2, 1997, with the signing of the "Treaty on the Union between Belarus and Russia" at which time its name was changed to the Union of Belarus and Russia. Several further agreements were signed on December 25, 1998, with the intention of providing greater political, economic, and social integration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus On 2 April 1996 in Moscow, the President of Belarus A.G.Lukashenko and the President of the Russian federation B. Yeltsin signed the Treaty on the Creation of the Union Between Belarus and Russia. The Union treaty is entitled “On deepening integration and comprehensive drawing together.” The treaty provides for the creation of an Interparliamentary Congress with 50 parliamentarians from each side, an executive body called the Integration Committee and a Union Court. According to president Lukashenka, a common parliament and constitution could follow later. The name of the new union (SSR in Russian) bears a striking resemblance with the name of the old USSR (SSSR). On April 2, 1997 Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Belarus-Russia Union. [note: this information appeared on the net. It is possible a more formal treaty was signed one year after the original treaty. However, it is also likely that this information is a misprint.] The Union Statute or Charter was formally adopted on 23 May 1997. On December 8, 1999, Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Union State and the program of action to implement the Treaty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:47:09 PMRe: RUSSIA - provisional new chart - OMISSION corrected Omission - crucial date missing in text: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSROn March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia ON 2 APRIL 1996, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:42:04 PM RUSSIA - provisional new chart Dear friends, The search for an authentic chart for RUSSIA is made difficult by the countries long existence and repeated convolutions of its territories and government structures. Many astrologers are focusing on the breakdown of the USSR and the emergence of Russia in the context of the Commonwealth of Independent Sates in the early 1990s for a potential chart. I have looked at these charts and not found the proper set of natal potentials and transit influences to explain ongoing events in the country. I therefore went back to the drawing board. When reading through the chapter on Russia again in the "Book of World Horoscopes" by Nicholas Campion (1996 ed.) I read the concluding segment, which I reproduce below, with renewed interest: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." This information, which I had earlier not considered so important, impressed me on second reading as having some potential to explain the real Russia - including the Belorus. It was, however, not until after I cast and examined the chart for this date and time, that I became really impressed. Below, I share with you my initial reading: This time and location gives 20° 44' Gemini rising, a very fortunate ascendant due to fewer functional malefics. The 3rd lord SUN and 7th lord JUPITER are very strong in the chart, but the 4th house and its lord MERCURY are very afflicted. At the same time, the 2nd lord MOON is weak and its house afflicted. These salient facts suggest this chart merits further study. - 3rd lord SUN at 19° 01' Pisces is closely conjunct the 10th house MEP, giving significant political influence, a very strong state and a President. The SUN is conjunt natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces, which is not a serious concern due to the strength of the Sun and orb of affliction. - 2nd lord MOON at 28° 37' Leo and 3rd house gives some influence from initiatives and public pronouncements. The Moon has just over 50% strength in this placement. The weakness is aggravated by the affliction of the 2nd house by KETU at 23° 20' Pisces. This makes Russia's status, wealth and relations with neighboring countries vulnerable to setbacks. -4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' Pisces and the 10th house MEP, is debilitated, combust and closely conjunct natal KETU at 23° 20'. Further RAHU at 23° 20' Virgo is closely conjunct the 4th house MEP. These placements suggest 4th house matters, including natural resources, communal harmony and fixed assets, are highly vulnerable to sudden setbacks and crisis. As RAHU also aspects the 12th and 8th houses, it could explain the role of the secret service (formerly the KGB) in clamping down on dissent and the apparent murder of notable journalists who made a a name for themselves by criticising the methods of Putin (a former KGB man). The condition of journalism is ndicated by MERCURY. The Putin government has also silenced critics abroad, esp. Litvinenko, former KGB spy and informant to the West, who was poisened to death in London in the fall of 2006 allegedly by another spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6179074.stm - 9th lord JUPITER at 22° 15' Sagittarius is conjunct the 7th house MEP, giving an expansive foreign policy and divine protection in this area. The religious and judicial affairs in the country would have international importance. The Russian Orthodox church is increasingly becoming important as it has re-established its presence in the country and in other countries after the fall of materialist Communism. Russian leaders of industrial companies would be powerful, both at home and abroad. The placement is also highly supportive of the indications of the 11th house of ideals and income, 1st house of self and fame and 3rd house of initiatives, commerce and transportation. Interestingly, the famed writer Solshinetzin, the most notable 20th century critic of the excesses of the USSR, felt that the West had become corrupt and needed to rely more on its Christian heritage to restore the earlier glory. Russia's nationbuilding now seems to be advancing on this idea and this chart reflects that with this placement. Shortly before his death, Putin officially restored the status of Solshinetzin to the equivalent of national treasure. - 11th lord MARS at 12° 55' Pisces and 10th house, is well placed but slightly weakened by combustion. It is therefore reasonably strong, suggesting Russia has adequate military power and its income and ideals are linked to its place in the world. - 9th lord SATURN at 5° 34' Pisces in the 10th house is well placed and widely combust, which suggests some luck in this area as well. - 5th lord VENUS at 4° 53' Taurus is badly placed in the 12th house. The affliction of RAHU to the 12th house helps explain the adverse conditions of women in Russia, many of which have been exploited by a growing sex industry. It also suggests such areas as entertainment and stock speculation would not do well and might be more oriented towards foreign markets. Many very rich people in Russia, who want to live in luxury, have largely been forced to emigrate to countries like the UK and Switzerland. Luxury or creature comforts do not seem to be prominent in the daily life of most Russians. Many women in Russia seek to marry better off men in the west through the internet. The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. * Moon/KETU period is now operating since 14 August 2008. This suggests Russia may become increasingly isolated in until next year. - transit stationary KETU at 24° 30' Cancer and 2nd house MEP is exactly afflicting natal 4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' and natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces and 10th house. Sudden setbacks are being realised in terms of the countries wealth and status and its communal harmony. - transit stationary RAHU at 24° 30' Capricorn and 8th house MEP of obstacles is mutually afflicting its own placement in the 4th house and the 4th house. Even if the Russian need to assert its influence is now on prominent display, it will likely result in upsets for the Russian people. This crisis should begin to lift later this year, as the nodal station lifts and be gone by Spring 2009. By 2010, when the SUN period begins, things are likely to improve significantly. Even if this crisis is making Russia look like a bully, it is likely the crisis also has to do with the Wests underestimation of Russias own sense of itself and its sense of its own rightful place in the world. One notable event in Russia's history is the countries default on its international debt obligations on 19 August 1998. The value of Russian assets and its currency, the Rouble, collapsed and many thought the country would fall apart (George Soros publised article in Financial Times on that day saying the crisis had reached its "terminal phase"). The timeline of the crisis is shown here. http://www.efinancialnews.com/tradingandtechnology/trading/content/2451494061 * Sun/SATURN period was operating - Transit stationary RAHU at 7° Leo was in close aspect with transit stationary and debilitated SATURN at 8° Aries in the 11th house of income. Russia did not have enough income to service its obligations. - transit MERCURY was retrograde around 23° Cancer and second house of wealth under the close aspect of natal KETU. Fixed assets and collective harmony in Russia suffered a serious setback. Many politicians called for President Yeltsin to resign. The crisis ended after the very harmful aspect of Rahu to Saturn came to an end in early 1999. Putin comes to power in August 1999 and Russia has for the most part been in ascendancy since, including the startling assertion of state power over oligarchs and critics abroad. I believe this 20° Gemini chart merits careful consideration as the authentic chart for RUSSIA. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Here is further information giving credence to the importance of the earliest signing: An official commemorative coin for the first anniversary of the Commonwealth of the Russia and Belarus is inscibed with the date April 2, 1996! http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/Base_of_memorable_coins/coins.asp?cat_num=5111-0047 The obverse: the two-headed eagle designed by artist I. Bilibin. The inscriptions along the rim: at the top — «3 ÐÓÁËß 1997 ã.» (3 RUBLES 1997), at the bottom — «ÁÀÍÊ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ» (BANK OF RUSSIA). The letters below indicate the metal sign, the fineness, the fine metal content and the mint trademark. The reverse: at the top to the left and to the right — the State Emblems of Russia and Belarus. The inscription at the top in the middle in five lines: «ÄÎÃÎÂÎÐ ÎÁ ÎÁÐÀÇÎÂÀÍÈÈ ÑÎÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÀ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ È ÁÅËÀÐÓÑÈ» (THE RUSSIA/BELARUS COMMONWEALTH TREATY), below to the left – the Moscow view with the Kremlin, to the right – the Minsk view with an obelisk on Victory Square and the House of the Belorussian Government. At the bottom – the date of signing of the Treaty «2 ÀÏÐÅËß 1996» (APRIL 2, 1996). The artist: A.V. BaklanovThe sculptors: A.A. Dolgopolova, A.S. KhazovMoscow Mint (ÌÌÄ)The edge: 300 corrugations The Treaty was signed by President of Russia Boris Yeltsin and President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko on April 2, 1996. It aims to set up a common economic area, to form and carry out a common economic and social policy, to contribute to development and realization of joint programs, to unify the monetary, credit, tax and budget systems, to form up united energy, transport and communication systems, to set up common customs, to promote common scientific, educational and cultural building, to provide for cooperation in security of the borders and for protection of the environment, etc. Each side of the Commonwealth will preserve sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, as well as their constitution, state flag, state emblem, anthem, and other symbols of state power. Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:01:09 PMRe: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear and list members, Enclosed is a link with some further information about the Union. http://www.answers.com/topic/russia-belarus-union It shows that the Union was formally established on April 2, 1997, exactly one year after the initial treaty to form the union was signed. This raises the question of which date is more important to explain the new entity. The earlier date and time given by Campion works for Russia, while a similar chart one year later does not seem to work. For some mysterious reason, the original treaty to form the union appears to stand out as the most significant. However, I would be interested in the comments of others on the proposed chart, in particular . Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:56:52 PM THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear friends, Further to my last message - it is clear that a new state was created in 1996: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS This union reminds of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 which still serves as the basis for the horoscope for the UK. Below please find more information on this historic event. Since 1996, Belarus has been negotiating with Russia to unify into a single state called the Union of Russia and Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussia Originally, the Commonwealth of Russia and Belarus was formed on April 2, 1996. The basis of the union was strengthened on April 2, 1997, with the signing of the "Treaty on the Union between Belarus and Russia" at which time its name was changed to the Union of Belarus and Russia. Several further agreements were signed on December 25, 1998, with the intention of providing greater political, economic, and social integration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus On 2 April 1996 in Moscow, the President of Belarus A.G.Lukashenko and the President of the Russian federation B. Yeltsin signed the Treaty on the Creation of the Union Between Belarus and Russia. The Union treaty is entitled “On deepening integration and comprehensive drawing together.” The treaty provides for the creation of an Interparliamentary Congress with 50 parliamentarians from each side, an executive body called the Integration Committee and a Union Court. According to president Lukashenka, a common parliament and constitution could follow later. The name of the new union (SSR in Russian) bears a striking resemblance with the name of the old USSR (SSSR). On April 2, 1997 Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Belarus-Russia Union. [note: this information appeared on the net. It is possible a more formal treaty was signed one year after the original treaty. However, it is also likely that this information is a misprint.] The Union Statute or Charter was formally adopted on 23 May 1997. On December 8, 1999, Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Union State and the program of action to implement the Treaty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:47:09 PMRe: RUSSIA - provisional new chart - OMISSION corrected Omission - crucial date missing in text: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSROn March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia ON 2 APRIL 1996, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:42:04 PM RUSSIA - provisional new chart Dear friends, The search for an authentic chart for RUSSIA is made difficult by the countries long existence and repeated convolutions of its territories and government structures. Many astrologers are focusing on the breakdown of the USSR and the emergence of Russia in the context of the Commonwealth of Independent Sates in the early 1990s for a potential chart. I have looked at these charts and not found the proper set of natal potentials and transit influences to explain ongoing events in the country. I therefore went back to the drawing board. When reading through the chapter on Russia again in the "Book of World Horoscopes" by Nicholas Campion (1996 ed.) I read the concluding segment, which I reproduce below, with renewed interest: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." This information, which I had earlier not considered so important, impressed me on second reading as having some potential to explain the real Russia - including the Belorus. It was, however, not until after I cast and examined the chart for this date and time, that I became really impressed. Below, I share with you my initial reading: This time and location gives 20° 44' Gemini rising, a very fortunate ascendant due to fewer functional malefics. The 3rd lord SUN and 7th lord JUPITER are very strong in the chart, but the 4th house and its lord MERCURY are very afflicted. At the same time, the 2nd lord MOON is weak and its house afflicted. These salient facts suggest this chart merits further study. - 3rd lord SUN at 19° 01' Pisces is closely conjunct the 10th house MEP, giving significant political influence, a very strong state and a President. The SUN is conjunt natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces, which is not a serious concern due to the strength of the Sun and orb of affliction. - 2nd lord MOON at 28° 37' Leo and 3rd house gives some influence from initiatives and public pronouncements. The Moon has just over 50% strength in this placement. The weakness is aggravated by the affliction of the 2nd house by KETU at 23° 20' Pisces. This makes Russia's status, wealth and relations with neighboring countries vulnerable to setbacks. -4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' Pisces and the 10th house MEP, is debilitated, combust and closely conjunct natal KETU at 23° 20'. Further RAHU at 23° 20' Virgo is closely conjunct the 4th house MEP. These placements suggest 4th house matters, including natural resources, communal harmony and fixed assets, are highly vulnerable to sudden setbacks and crisis. As RAHU also aspects the 12th and 8th houses, it could explain the role of the secret service (formerly the KGB) in clamping down on dissent and the apparent murder of notable journalists who made a a name for themselves by criticising the methods of Putin (a former KGB man). The condition of journalism is ndicated by MERCURY. The Putin government has also silenced critics abroad, esp. Litvinenko, former KGB spy and informant to the West, who was poisened to death in London in the fall of 2006 allegedly by another spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6179074.stm - 9th lord JUPITER at 22° 15' Sagittarius is conjunct the 7th house MEP, giving an expansive foreign policy and divine protection in this area. The religious and judicial affairs in the country would have international importance. The Russian Orthodox church is increasingly becoming important as it has re-established its presence in the country and in other countries after the fall of materialist Communism. Russian leaders of industrial companies would be powerful, both at home and abroad. The placement is also highly supportive of the indications of the 11th house of ideals and income, 1st house of self and fame and 3rd house of initiatives, commerce and transportation. Interestingly, the famed writer Solshinetzin, the most notable 20th century critic of the excesses of the USSR, felt that the West had become corrupt and needed to rely more on its Christian heritage to restore the earlier glory. Russia's nationbuilding now seems to be advancing on this idea and this chart reflects that with this placement. Shortly before his death, Putin officially restored the status of Solshinetzin to the equivalent of national treasure. - 11th lord MARS at 12° 55' Pisces and 10th house, is well placed but slightly weakened by combustion. It is therefore reasonably strong, suggesting Russia has adequate military power and its income and ideals are linked to its place in the world. - 9th lord SATURN at 5° 34' Pisces in the 10th house is well placed and widely combust, which suggests some luck in this area as well. - 5th lord VENUS at 4° 53' Taurus is badly placed in the 12th house. The affliction of RAHU to the 12th house helps explain the adverse conditions of women in Russia, many of which have been exploited by a growing sex industry. It also suggests such areas as entertainment and stock speculation would not do well and might be more oriented towards foreign markets. Many very rich people in Russia, who want to live in luxury, have largely been forced to emigrate to countries like the UK and Switzerland. Luxury or creature comforts do not seem to be prominent in the daily life of most Russians. Many women in Russia seek to marry better off men in the west through the internet. The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. * Moon/KETU period is now operating since 14 August 2008. This suggests Russia may become increasingly isolated in until next year. - transit stationary KETU at 24° 30' Cancer and 2nd house MEP is exactly afflicting natal 4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' and natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces and 10th house. Sudden setbacks are being realised in terms of the countries wealth and status and its communal harmony. - transit stationary RAHU at 24° 30' Capricorn and 8th house MEP of obstacles is mutually afflicting its own placement in the 4th house and the 4th house. Even if the Russian need to assert its influence is now on prominent display, it will likely result in upsets for the Russian people. This crisis should begin to lift later this year, as the nodal station lifts and be gone by Spring 2009. By 2010, when the SUN period begins, things are likely to improve significantly. Even if this crisis is making Russia look like a bully, it is likely the crisis also has to do with the Wests underestimation of Russias own sense of itself and its sense of its own rightful place in the world. One notable event in Russia's history is the countries default on its international debt obligations on 19 August 1998. The value of Russian assets and its currency, the Rouble, collapsed and many thought the country would fall apart (George Soros publised article in Financial Times on that day saying the crisis had reached its "terminal phase"). The timeline of the crisis is shown here. http://www.efinancialnews.com/tradingandtechnology/trading/content/2451494061 * Sun/SATURN period was operating - Transit stationary RAHU at 7° Leo was in close aspect with transit stationary and debilitated SATURN at 8° Aries in the 11th house of income. Russia did not have enough income to service its obligations. - transit MERCURY was retrograde around 23° Cancer and second house of wealth under the close aspect of natal KETU. Fixed assets and collective harmony in Russia suffered a serious setback. Many politicians called for President Yeltsin to resign. The crisis ended after the very harmful aspect of Rahu to Saturn came to an end in early 1999. Putin comes to power in August 1999 and Russia has for the most part been in ascendancy since, including the startling assertion of state power over oligarchs and critics abroad. I believe this 20° Gemini chart merits careful consideration as the authentic chart for RUSSIA. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear friends, This is the final piece of information - it seems to settle the issue on the importance of the initial signing: http://www.belarus.net/presiden/unity_1.htm It shows that all important bodies and objectives were elaborated in this treaty and they began to function shortly after the signing of the treaty took place on April 2, 1996. IMPORTANT DATES IN THE INTEGRATION 2 April, 1996 A Treaty on the Formation of a Community between Belarus and Russia was signed in Moscow by President of the Republic of Belarus A. Lukashenko and President of the Russian Federation B. Yeltsin. 2 April, 1996 The first metting of the Supreme Council was held in Moscow at which President of the Republic of Belarus A. Lukashenko was elected Chairman of the Community Belarus-Russia. V. Chernomyrdin, Prime-Minister of the Russian Federation, was elected Chairman of the Executive Committee. The meeting discussed other organisational issues. The Supreme Council of the Community passed resolutions as follows: - On priority measures to put the Treaty on the Formation of a Community into operation (#1) - On celebrating the day of Unity between Russia and Belarus on the 2nd of April (#2). 11 April, 1996 The first meeting of the Executive Committee of the Community was held, with the items on the agenda as follows: - Progress of realization of the Treaty between t Belarus and Russia. - Measures to complete the fulfilment of the Customs Agreement between Russian Federation and Belarus. - Russia's Ministry of Education proposal an equal reciprocal possibility for school-leavers to join higher educational establishments. The meeting adopted a resolution"On citizens' equal rights to have education" (#1). 29 April, 1996 An Agreement on the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russia-Belarus Community was signed in St.-Petersburg. The signatories for the Russian Federal Assembly were E. Stroev and G. Selezniov. For the Supreme Soviet of the Republic of Belarus - S. Sharetsky. 15 May, 1996 The second meeting of the Executive Council was held, with the agenda as follows: - What is to be done to secure Belarusian and Russian citizens equal rights to employment, remuneration of labour and granting of other social and labour guarantees. - The draft Statute of the Supreme Council. - Other business. The meeting adopted a resolution "On reciprocal granting to Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights to receive comprehensive medical care" (#2). A Programme of Action to implement the Agreement on Education for the Community was approved. 23 May, 1996 The Russian State Duma passed a resolution "On the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russia-Belarus Community". 18 June, 1996 The third meeting of the Executive Committee was held, with the agenda as follows: - On free exchange of housing. - On joint activities to minimize and overcome the after-effects of the Chernobyl accident. - On procedures to implement the Treaty provisions on creating a common customs zone with joint management staff. - On procedures to implement the Treaty provisions on creating a common weather forecast service. - On common statistics processing. - Other business. By the decision of the Supreme Council of the Community the Statute of the Executive Committtee of the Russia-Belarus Community was endorsed(#3). 22 June, 1996 The second meeting of the Supreme Council of the Community was held in Brest which passed resolution as follows: - On citizens' equal rights to employment, remuneration of labour and granting of other social and labour guarantees (#4). - On free exchange of housing (#5). - On joint action to minimize and overcome the after-effects of the Chernobyl accident (#6). - On the Customs Committee of the Community (#7). - Issues raised by organs of the Russia-Belarus Community (#8). - On financing of the overhaul and restoration works on the "Brest-Hero Fortress" memorial complex (#9). 25 June, 1996 The first session of the Belarus-Russia Community Parliamentary Assembly was held in Smolensk. S. Sharetsky, Chairman of the Belarus Supreme Soviet, was elected Chairman of the Assembly. 29 August, 1996 An exchange of instruments of ratification dealing with the formation of the Belarus-Russia Community took place in Moscow, meaning that the Treaty was officially put into force. 4 September, 1996 The fourth meeting of the Executive Committee was held with the agenda as follows: - On granting Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights to obtain property, own it, use it and dispose of it. - What joint social and economic projects are there and how to implement them in 1996-1997. - The draft provision on the Customs Committee of the Community. - The draft plane of joint activities in the field of culture and tourism for the second half of 1996 and for 1997. - What is being done to create a single communication system and other related issues. The meeting adopted a resolution "On securing Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights and conditions for bringing in or taking out hard currency when crossing the common customs border" (#3). Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:06:26 PMRe: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Here is further information giving credence to the importance of the earliest signing: An official commemorative coin for the first anniversary of the Commonwealth of the Russia and Belarus is inscibed with the date April 2, 1996! http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/Base_of_memorable_coins/coins.asp?cat_num=5111-0047 The obverse: the two-headed eagle designed by artist I. Bilibin. The inscriptions along the rim: at the top — «3 ÐÓÁËß 1997 ã.» (3 RUBLES 1997), at the bottom — «ÁÀÍÊ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ» (BANK OF RUSSIA). The letters below indicate the metal sign, the fineness, the fine metal content and the mint trademark. The reverse: at the top to the left and to the right — the State Emblems of Russia and Belarus. The inscription at the top in the middle in five lines: «ÄÎÃÎÂÎÐ ÎÁ ÎÁÐÀÇÎÂÀÍÈÈ ÑÎÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÀ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ È ÁÅËÀÐÓÑÈ» (THE RUSSIA/BELARUS COMMONWEALTH TREATY), below to the left – the Moscow view with the Kremlin, to the right – the Minsk view with an obelisk on Victory Square and the House of the Belorussian Government. At the bottom – the date of signing of the Treaty «2 ÀÏÐÅËß 1996» (APRIL 2, 1996). The artist: A.V. BaklanovThe sculptors: A.A. Dolgopolova, A.S. KhazovMoscow Mint (ÌÌÄ)The edge: 300 corrugations The Treaty was signed by President of Russia Boris Yeltsin and President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko on April 2, 1996. It aims to set up a common economic area, to form and carry out a common economic and social policy, to contribute to development and realization of joint programs, to unify the monetary, credit, tax and budget systems, to form up united energy, transport and communication systems, to set up common customs, to promote common scientific, educational and cultural building, to provide for cooperation in security of the borders and for protection of the environment, etc. Each side of the Commonwealth will preserve sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, as well as their constitution, state flag, state emblem, anthem, and other symbols of state power. Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:01:09 PMRe: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear and list members, Enclosed is a link with some further information about the Union. http://www.answers.com/topic/russia-belarus-union It shows that the Union was formally established on April 2, 1997, exactly one year after the initial treaty to form the union was signed. This raises the question of which date is more important to explain the new entity. The earlier date and time given by Campion works for Russia, while a similar chart one year later does not seem to work. For some mysterious reason, the original treaty to form the union appears to stand out as the most significant. However, I would be interested in the comments of others on the proposed chart, in particular . Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:56:52 PM THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear friends, Further to my last message - it is clear that a new state was created in 1996: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS This union reminds of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 which still serves as the basis for the horoscope for the UK. Below please find more information on this historic event. Since 1996, Belarus has been negotiating with Russia to unify into a single state called the Union of Russia and Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussia Originally, the Commonwealth of Russia and Belarus was formed on April 2, 1996. The basis of the union was strengthened on April 2, 1997, with the signing of the "Treaty on the Union between Belarus and Russia" at which time its name was changed to the Union of Belarus and Russia. Several further agreements were signed on December 25, 1998, with the intention of providing greater political, economic, and social integration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus On 2 April 1996 in Moscow, the President of Belarus A.G.Lukashenko and the President of the Russian federation B. Yeltsin signed the Treaty on the Creation of the Union Between Belarus and Russia. The Union treaty is entitled “On deepening integration and comprehensive drawing together.” The treaty provides for the creation of an Interparliamentary Congress with 50 parliamentarians from each side, an executive body called the Integration Committee and a Union Court. According to president Lukashenka, a common parliament and constitution could follow later. The name of the new union (SSR in Russian) bears a striking resemblance with the name of the old USSR (SSSR). On April 2, 1997 Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Belarus-Russia Union. [note: this information appeared on the net. It is possible a more formal treaty was signed one year after the original treaty. However, it is also likely that this information is a misprint.] The Union Statute or Charter was formally adopted on 23 May 1997. On December 8, 1999, Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Union State and the program of action to implement the Treaty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:47:09 PMRe: RUSSIA - provisional new chart - OMISSION corrected Omission - crucial date missing in text: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSROn March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia ON 2 APRIL 1996, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:42:04 PM RUSSIA - provisional new chart Dear friends, The search for an authentic chart for RUSSIA is made difficult by the countries long existence and repeated convolutions of its territories and government structures. Many astrologers are focusing on the breakdown of the USSR and the emergence of Russia in the context of the Commonwealth of Independent Sates in the early 1990s for a potential chart. I have looked at these charts and not found the proper set of natal potentials and transit influences to explain ongoing events in the country. I therefore went back to the drawing board. When reading through the chapter on Russia again in the "Book of World Horoscopes" by Nicholas Campion (1996 ed.) I read the concluding segment, which I reproduce below, with renewed interest: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." This information, which I had earlier not considered so important, impressed me on second reading as having some potential to explain the real Russia - including the Belorus. It was, however, not until after I cast and examined the chart for this date and time, that I became really impressed. Below, I share with you my initial reading: This time and location gives 20° 44' Gemini rising, a very fortunate ascendant due to fewer functional malefics. The 3rd lord SUN and 7th lord JUPITER are very strong in the chart, but the 4th house and its lord MERCURY are very afflicted. At the same time, the 2nd lord MOON is weak and its house afflicted. These salient facts suggest this chart merits further study. - 3rd lord SUN at 19° 01' Pisces is closely conjunct the 10th house MEP, giving significant political influence, a very strong state and a President. The SUN is conjunt natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces, which is not a serious concern due to the strength of the Sun and orb of affliction. - 2nd lord MOON at 28° 37' Leo and 3rd house gives some influence from initiatives and public pronouncements. The Moon has just over 50% strength in this placement. The weakness is aggravated by the affliction of the 2nd house by KETU at 23° 20' Pisces. This makes Russia's status, wealth and relations with neighboring countries vulnerable to setbacks. -4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' Pisces and the 10th house MEP, is debilitated, combust and closely conjunct natal KETU at 23° 20'. Further RAHU at 23° 20' Virgo is closely conjunct the 4th house MEP. These placements suggest 4th house matters, including natural resources, communal harmony and fixed assets, are highly vulnerable to sudden setbacks and crisis. As RAHU also aspects the 12th and 8th houses, it could explain the role of the secret service (formerly the KGB) in clamping down on dissent and the apparent murder of notable journalists who made a a name for themselves by criticising the methods of Putin (a former KGB man). The condition of journalism is ndicated by MERCURY. The Putin government has also silenced critics abroad, esp. Litvinenko, former KGB spy and informant to the West, who was poisened to death in London in the fall of 2006 allegedly by another spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6179074.stm - 9th lord JUPITER at 22° 15' Sagittarius is conjunct the 7th house MEP, giving an expansive foreign policy and divine protection in this area. The religious and judicial affairs in the country would have international importance. The Russian Orthodox church is increasingly becoming important as it has re-established its presence in the country and in other countries after the fall of materialist Communism. Russian leaders of industrial companies would be powerful, both at home and abroad. The placement is also highly supportive of the indications of the 11th house of ideals and income, 1st house of self and fame and 3rd house of initiatives, commerce and transportation. Interestingly, the famed writer Solshinetzin, the most notable 20th century critic of the excesses of the USSR, felt that the West had become corrupt and needed to rely more on its Christian heritage to restore the earlier glory. Russia's nationbuilding now seems to be advancing on this idea and this chart reflects that with this placement. Shortly before his death, Putin officially restored the status of Solshinetzin to the equivalent of national treasure. - 11th lord MARS at 12° 55' Pisces and 10th house, is well placed but slightly weakened by combustion. It is therefore reasonably strong, suggesting Russia has adequate military power and its income and ideals are linked to its place in the world. - 9th lord SATURN at 5° 34' Pisces in the 10th house is well placed and widely combust, which suggests some luck in this area as well. - 5th lord VENUS at 4° 53' Taurus is badly placed in the 12th house. The affliction of RAHU to the 12th house helps explain the adverse conditions of women in Russia, many of which have been exploited by a growing sex industry. It also suggests such areas as entertainment and stock speculation would not do well and might be more oriented towards foreign markets. Many very rich people in Russia, who want to live in luxury, have largely been forced to emigrate to countries like the UK and Switzerland. Luxury or creature comforts do not seem to be prominent in the daily life of most Russians. Many women in Russia seek to marry better off men in the west through the internet. The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. * Moon/KETU period is now operating since 14 August 2008. This suggests Russia may become increasingly isolated in until next year. - transit stationary KETU at 24° 30' Cancer and 2nd house MEP is exactly afflicting natal 4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' and natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces and 10th house. Sudden setbacks are being realised in terms of the countries wealth and status and its communal harmony. - transit stationary RAHU at 24° 30' Capricorn and 8th house MEP of obstacles is mutually afflicting its own placement in the 4th house and the 4th house. Even if the Russian need to assert its influence is now on prominent display, it will likely result in upsets for the Russian people. This crisis should begin to lift later this year, as the nodal station lifts and be gone by Spring 2009. By 2010, when the SUN period begins, things are likely to improve significantly. Even if this crisis is making Russia look like a bully, it is likely the crisis also has to do with the Wests underestimation of Russias own sense of itself and its sense of its own rightful place in the world. One notable event in Russia's history is the countries default on its international debt obligations on 19 August 1998. The value of Russian assets and its currency, the Rouble, collapsed and many thought the country would fall apart (George Soros publised article in Financial Times on that day saying the crisis had reached its "terminal phase"). The timeline of the crisis is shown here. http://www.efinancialnews.com/tradingandtechnology/trading/content/2451494061 * Sun/SATURN period was operating - Transit stationary RAHU at 7° Leo was in close aspect with transit stationary and debilitated SATURN at 8° Aries in the 11th house of income. Russia did not have enough income to service its obligations. - transit MERCURY was retrograde around 23° Cancer and second house of wealth under the close aspect of natal KETU. Fixed assets and collective harmony in Russia suffered a serious setback. Many politicians called for President Yeltsin to resign. The crisis ended after the very harmful aspect of Rahu to Saturn came to an end in early 1999. Putin comes to power in August 1999 and Russia has for the most part been in ascendancy since, including the startling assertion of state power over oligarchs and critics abroad. I believe this 20° Gemini chart merits careful consideration as the authentic chart for RUSSIA. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Hello dear Thor, As the major partner in the Formation of Community is Russia the date of April 2, 1996, would be appropriate to be considered. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:39 AM Re: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear friends, This is the final piece of information - it seems to settle the issue on the importance of the initial signing: http://www.belarus.net/presiden/unity_1.htm It shows that all important bodies and objectives were elaborated in this treaty and they began to function shortly after the signing of the treaty took place on April 2, 1996. IMPORTANT DATES IN THE INTEGRATION 2 April, 1996 A Treaty on the Formation of a Community between Belarus and Russia was signed in Moscow by President of the Republic of Belarus A. Lukashenko and President of the Russian Federation B. Yeltsin. 2 April, 1996 The first metting of the Supreme Council was held in Moscow at which President of the Republic of Belarus A. Lukashenko was elected Chairman of the Community Belarus-Russia. V. Chernomyrdin, Prime-Minister of the Russian Federation, was elected Chairman of the Executive Committee. The meeting discussed other organisational issues. The Supreme Council of the Community passed resolutions as follows: - On priority measures to put the Treaty on the Formation of a Community into operation (#1) - On celebrating the day of Unity between Russia and Belarus on the 2nd of April (#2). 11 April, 1996 The first meeting of the Executive Committee of the Community was held, with the items on the agenda as follows: - Progress of realization of the Treaty between t Belarus and Russia. - Measures to complete the fulfilment of the Customs Agreement between Russian Federation and Belarus. - Russia's Ministry of Education proposal an equal reciprocal possibility for school-leavers to join higher educational establishments. The meeting adopted a resolution"On citizens' equal rights to have education" (#1). 29 April, 1996 An Agreement on the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russia-Belarus Community was signed in St.-Petersburg. The signatories for the Russian Federal Assembly were E. Stroev and G. Selezniov. For the Supreme Soviet of the Republic of Belarus - S. Sharetsky. 15 May, 1996 The second meeting of the Executive Council was held, with the agenda as follows: - What is to be done to secure Belarusian and Russian citizens equal rights to employment, remuneration of labour and granting of other social and labour guarantees. - The draft Statute of the Supreme Council. - Other business. The meeting adopted a resolution "On reciprocal granting to Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights to receive comprehensive medical care" (#2). A Programme of Action to implement the Agreement on Education for the Community was approved. 23 May, 1996 The Russian State Duma passed a resolution "On the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russia-Belarus Community". 18 June, 1996 The third meeting of the Executive Committee was held, with the agenda as follows: - On free exchange of housing. - On joint activities to minimize and overcome the after-effects of the Chernobyl accident. - On procedures to implement the Treaty provisions on creating a common customs zone with joint management staff. - On procedures to implement the Treaty provisions on creating a common weather forecast service. - On common statistics processing. - Other business. By the decision of the Supreme Council of the Community the Statute of the Executive Committtee of the Russia-Belarus Community was endorsed(#3). 22 June, 1996 The second meeting of the Supreme Council of the Community was held in Brest which passed resolution as follows: - On citizens' equal rights to employment, remuneration of labour and granting of other social and labour guarantees (#4). - On free exchange of housing (#5). - On joint action to minimize and overcome the after-effects of the Chernobyl accident (#6). - On the Customs Committee of the Community (#7). - Issues raised by organs of the Russia-Belarus Community (#8). - On financing of the overhaul and restoration works on the "Brest-Hero Fortress" memorial complex (#9). 25 June, 1996 The first session of the Belarus-Russia Community Parliamentary Assembly was held in Smolensk. S. Sharetsky, Chairman of the Belarus Supreme Soviet, was elected Chairman of the Assembly. 29 August, 1996 An exchange of instruments of ratification dealing with the formation of the Belarus-Russia Community took place in Moscow, meaning that the Treaty was officially put into force. 4 September, 1996 The fourth meeting of the Executive Committee was held with the agenda as follows: - On granting Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights to obtain property, own it, use it and dispose of it. - What joint social and economic projects are there and how to implement them in 1996-1997. - The draft provision on the Customs Committee of the Community. - The draft plane of joint activities in the field of culture and tourism for the second half of 1996 and for 1997. - What is being done to create a single communication system and other related issues. The meeting adopted a resolution "On securing Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights and conditions for bringing in or taking out hard currency when crossing the common customs border" (#3). Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:06:26 PMRe: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Here is further information giving credence to the importance of the earliest signing: An official commemorative coin for the first anniversary of the Commonwealth of the Russia and Belarus is inscibed with the date April 2, 1996! http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/Base_of_memorable_coins/coins.asp?cat_num=5111-0047 The obverse: the two-headed eagle designed by artist I. Bilibin. The inscriptions along the rim: at the top — «3 ÐÓÁËß 1997 ã.» (3 RUBLES 1997), at the bottom — «ÁÀÍÊ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ» (BANK OF RUSSIA). The letters below indicate the metal sign, the fineness, the fine metal content and the mint trademark. The reverse: at the top to the left and to the right — the State Emblems of Russia and Belarus. The inscription at the top in the middle in five lines: «ÄÎÃÎÂÎÐ ÎÁ ÎÁÐÀÇÎÂÀÍÈÈ ÑÎÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÀ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ È ÁÅËÀÐÓÑÈ» (THE RUSSIA/BELARUS COMMONWEALTH TREATY), below to the left – the Moscow view with the Kremlin, to the right – the Minsk view with an obelisk on Victory Square and the House of the Belorussian Government. At the bottom – the date of signing of the Treaty «2 ÀÏÐÅËß 1996» (APRIL 2, 1996). The artist: A.V. BaklanovThe sculptors: A.A. Dolgopolova, A.S. KhazovMoscow Mint (ÌÌÄ)The edge: 300 corrugations The Treaty was signed by President of Russia Boris Yeltsin and President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko on April 2, 1996. It aims to set up a common economic area, to form and carry out a common economic and social policy, to contribute to development and realization of joint programs, to unify the monetary, credit, tax and budget systems, to form up united energy, transport and communication systems, to set up common customs, to promote common scientific, educational and cultural building, to provide for cooperation in security of the borders and for protection of the environment, etc. Each side of the Commonwealth will preserve sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, as well as their constitution, state flag, state emblem, anthem, and other symbols of state power. Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:01:09 PMRe: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear and list members, Enclosed is a link with some further information about the Union. http://www.answers.com/topic/russia-belarus-union It shows that the Union was formally established on April 2, 1997, exactly one year after the initial treaty to form the union was signed. This raises the question of which date is more important to explain the new entity. The earlier date and time given by Campion works for Russia, while a similar chart one year later does not seem to work. For some mysterious reason, the original treaty to form the union appears to stand out as the most significant. However, I would be interested in the comments of others on the proposed chart, in particular . Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:56:52 PM THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] Dear friends, Further to my last message - it is clear that a new state was created in 1996: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS This union reminds of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 which still serves as the basis for the horoscope for the UK. Below please find more information on this historic event. Since 1996, Belarus has been negotiating with Russia to unify into a single state called the Union of Russia and Belarus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussia Originally, the Commonwealth of Russia and Belarus was formed on April 2, 1996. The basis of the union was strengthened on April 2, 1997, with the signing of the "Treaty on the Union between Belarus and Russia" at which time its name was changed to the Union of Belarus and Russia. Several further agreements were signed on December 25, 1998, with the intention of providing greater political, economic, and social integration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus On 2 April 1996 in Moscow, the President of Belarus A.G.Lukashenko and the President of the Russian federation B. Yeltsin signed the Treaty on the Creation of the Union Between Belarus and Russia. The Union treaty is entitled “On deepening integration and comprehensive drawing together.” The treaty provides for the creation of an Interparliamentary Congress with 50 parliamentarians from each side, an executive body called the Integration Committee and a Union Court. According to president Lukashenka, a common parliament and constitution could follow later. The name of the new union (SSR in Russian) bears a striking resemblance with the name of the old USSR (SSSR). On April 2, 1997 Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Belarus-Russia Union. [note: this information appeared on the net. It is possible a more formal treaty was signed one year after the original treaty. However, it is also likely that this information is a misprint.] The Union Statute or Charter was formally adopted on 23 May 1997. On December 8, 1999, Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Union State and the program of action to implement the Treaty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:47:09 PMRe: RUSSIA - provisional new chart - OMISSION corrected Omission - crucial date missing in text: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSROn March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia ON 2 APRIL 1996, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." Cosmologer <cosmologer >samva Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:42:04 PM RUSSIA - provisional new chart Dear friends, The search for an authentic chart for RUSSIA is made difficult by the countries long existence and repeated convolutions of its territories and government structures. Many astrologers are focusing on the breakdown of the USSR and the emergence of Russia in the context of the Commonwealth of Independent Sates in the early 1990s for a potential chart. I have looked at these charts and not found the proper set of natal potentials and transit influences to explain ongoing events in the country. I therefore went back to the drawing board. When reading through the chapter on Russia again in the "Book of World Horoscopes" by Nicholas Campion (1996 ed.) I read the concluding segment, which I reproduce below, with renewed interest: "The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT)." This information, which I had earlier not considered so important, impressed me on second reading as having some potential to explain the real Russia - including the Belorus. It was, however, not until after I cast and examined the chart for this date and time, that I became really impressed. Below, I share with you my initial reading: This time and location gives 20° 44' Gemini rising, a very fortunate ascendant due to fewer functional malefics. The 3rd lord SUN and 7th lord JUPITER are very strong in the chart, but the 4th house and its lord MERCURY are very afflicted. At the same time, the 2nd lord MOON is weak and its house afflicted. These salient facts suggest this chart merits further study. - 3rd lord SUN at 19° 01' Pisces is closely conjunct the 10th house MEP, giving significant political influence, a very strong state and a President. The SUN is conjunt natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces, which is not a serious concern due to the strength of the Sun and orb of affliction. - 2nd lord MOON at 28° 37' Leo and 3rd house gives some influence from initiatives and public pronouncements. The Moon has just over 50% strength in this placement. The weakness is aggravated by the affliction of the 2nd house by KETU at 23° 20' Pisces. This makes Russia's status, wealth and relations with neighboring countries vulnerable to setbacks. -4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' Pisces and the 10th house MEP, is debilitated, combust and closely conjunct natal KETU at 23° 20'. Further RAHU at 23° 20' Virgo is closely conjunct the 4th house MEP. These placements suggest 4th house matters, including natural resources, communal harmony and fixed assets, are highly vulnerable to sudden setbacks and crisis. As RAHU also aspects the 12th and 8th houses, it could explain the role of the secret service (formerly the KGB) in clamping down on dissent and the apparent murder of notable journalists who made a a name for themselves by criticising the methods of Putin (a former KGB man). The condition of journalism is ndicated by MERCURY. The Putin government has also silenced critics abroad, esp. Litvinenko, former KGB spy and informant to the West, who was poisened to death in London in the fall of 2006 allegedly by another spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6179074.stm - 9th lord JUPITER at 22° 15' Sagittarius is conjunct the 7th house MEP, giving an expansive foreign policy and divine protection in this area. The religious and judicial affairs in the country would have international importance. The Russian Orthodox church is increasingly becoming important as it has re-established its presence in the country and in other countries after the fall of materialist Communism. Russian leaders of industrial companies would be powerful, both at home and abroad. The placement is also highly supportive of the indications of the 11th house of ideals and income, 1st house of self and fame and 3rd house of initiatives, commerce and transportation. Interestingly, the famed writer Solshinetzin, the most notable 20th century critic of the excesses of the USSR, felt that the West had become corrupt and needed to rely more on its Christian heritage to restore the earlier glory. Russia's nationbuilding now seems to be advancing on this idea and this chart reflects that with this placement. Shortly before his death, Putin officially restored the status of Solshinetzin to the equivalent of national treasure. - 11th lord MARS at 12° 55' Pisces and 10th house, is well placed but slightly weakened by combustion. It is therefore reasonably strong, suggesting Russia has adequate military power and its income and ideals are linked to its place in the world. - 9th lord SATURN at 5° 34' Pisces in the 10th house is well placed and widely combust, which suggests some luck in this area as well. - 5th lord VENUS at 4° 53' Taurus is badly placed in the 12th house. The affliction of RAHU to the 12th house helps explain the adverse conditions of women in Russia, many of which have been exploited by a growing sex industry. It also suggests such areas as entertainment and stock speculation would not do well and might be more oriented towards foreign markets. Many very rich people in Russia, who want to live in luxury, have largely been forced to emigrate to countries like the UK and Switzerland. Luxury or creature comforts do not seem to be prominent in the daily life of most Russians. Many women in Russia seek to marry better off men in the west through the internet. The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. * Moon/KETU period is now operating since 14 August 2008. This suggests Russia may become increasingly isolated in until next year. - transit stationary KETU at 24° 30' Cancer and 2nd house MEP is exactly afflicting natal 4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' and natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces and 10th house. Sudden setbacks are being realised in terms of the countries wealth and status and its communal harmony. - transit stationary RAHU at 24° 30' Capricorn and 8th house MEP of obstacles is mutually afflicting its own placement in the 4th house and the 4th house. Even if the Russian need to assert its influence is now on prominent display, it will likely result in upsets for the Russian people. This crisis should begin to lift later this year, as the nodal station lifts and be gone by Spring 2009. By 2010, when the SUN period begins, things are likely to improve significantly. Even if this crisis is making Russia look like a bully, it is likely the crisis also has to do with the Wests underestimation of Russias own sense of itself and its sense of its own rightful place in the world. One notable event in Russia's history is the countries default on its international debt obligations on 19 August 1998. The value of Russian assets and its currency, the Rouble, collapsed and many thought the country would fall apart (George Soros publised article in Financial Times on that day saying the crisis had reached its "terminal phase"). The timeline of the crisis is shown here. http://www.efinancialnews.com/tradingandtechnology/trading/content/2451494061 * Sun/SATURN period was operating - Transit stationary RAHU at 7° Leo was in close aspect with transit stationary and debilitated SATURN at 8° Aries in the 11th house of income. Russia did not have enough income to service its obligations. - transit MERCURY was retrograde around 23° Cancer and second house of wealth under the close aspect of natal KETU. Fixed assets and collective harmony in Russia suffered a serious setback. Many politicians called for President Yeltsin to resign. The crisis ended after the very harmful aspect of Rahu to Saturn came to an end in early 1999. Putin comes to power in August 1999 and Russia has for the most part been in ascendancy since, including the startling assertion of state power over oligarchs and critics abroad. I believe this 20° Gemini chart merits careful consideration as the authentic chart for RUSSIA. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear , Thank you for the additional interesting observation which should be made clear when explaining the logic for the selection of this day. With the historical rationale acceptable, it would also be of considerable interest to hear your view on suitability of the 20° Gemini rising chart for Russia. Best wishes, Thor PS As for the choice of location for the chart of the Union of Russia and Belorus, Moscow seems to be the logical choice as that is where the treaty was signed and also the capitol of the major partner (Minsk is the capitol of Belorus). SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello dear Thor, > > As the major partner in the Formation of Community is Russia the date of April 2, 1996, would be appropriate to be considered. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > Cosmologer > SAMVA > Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:39 AM > Re: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] > > > > Dear friends, > > This is the final piece of information - it seems to settle the issue on the importance of the initial signing: > http://www.belarus.net/presiden/unity_1.htm > > It shows that all important bodies and objectives were elaborated in this treaty and they began to function shortly after the signing of the treaty took place on April 2, 1996. > > IMPORTANT DATES IN THE INTEGRATION > 2 April, 1996 > A Treaty on the Formation of a Community between Belarus and Russia was signed in Moscow by President of the Republic of Belarus A. Lukashenko and President of the Russian Federation B. Yeltsin. > 2 April, 1996 > The first metting of the Supreme Council was held in Moscow at which President of the Republic of Belarus A. Lukashenko was elected Chairman of the Community Belarus-Russia. > V. Chernomyrdin, Prime-Minister of the Russian Federation, was elected Chairman of the Executive Committee. > The meeting discussed other organisational issues. > The Supreme Council of the Community passed resolutions as follows: > - On priority measures to put the Treaty on the Formation of a Community into operation (#1) > - On celebrating the day of Unity between Russia and Belarus on the 2nd of April (#2). > 11 April, 1996 > The first meeting of the Executive Committee of the Community was held, with the items on the agenda as follows: > - Progress of realization of the Treaty between t Belarus and Russia. > - Measures to complete the fulfilment of the Customs Agreement between Russian Federation and Belarus. > - Russia's Ministry of Education proposal an equal reciprocal possibility for school-leavers to join higher educational establishments. > The meeting adopted a resolution " On citizens' equal rights to have education " (#1). > 29 April, 1996 > An Agreement on the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russia-Belarus Community was signed in St.-Petersburg. The signatories for the Russian Federal Assembly were E. Stroev and G. Selezniov. For the Supreme Soviet of the Republic of Belarus - S. Sharetsky. > 15 May, 1996 > The second meeting of the Executive Council was held, with the agenda as follows: > - What is to be done to secure Belarusian and Russian citizens equal rights to employment, remuneration of labour and granting of other social and labour guarantees. > - The draft Statute of the Supreme Council. > - Other business. > The meeting adopted a resolution " On reciprocal granting to Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights to receive comprehensive medical care " (#2). > A Programme of Action to implement the Agreement on Education for the Community was approved. > 23 May, 1996 > The Russian State Duma passed a resolution " On the Parliamentary Assembly of the Russia-Belarus Community " . > 18 June, 1996 > The third meeting of the Executive Committee was held, with the agenda as follows: > - On free exchange of housing. > - On joint activities to minimize and overcome the after-effects of the Chernobyl accident. > - On procedures to implement the Treaty provisions on creating a common customs zone with joint management staff. > - On procedures to implement the Treaty provisions on creating a common weather forecast service. > - On common statistics processing. > - Other business. > By the decision of the Supreme Council of the Community the Statute of the Executive Committtee of the Russia-Belarus Community was endorsed(#3). > 22 June, 1996 > The second meeting of the Supreme Council of the Community was held in Brest which passed resolution as follows: > - On citizens' equal rights to employment, remuneration of labour and granting of other social and labour guarantees (#4). > - On free exchange of housing (#5). > - On joint action to minimize and overcome the after-effects of the Chernobyl accident (#6). > - On the Customs Committee of the Community (#7). > - Issues raised by organs of the Russia-Belarus Community (#8). > - On financing of the overhaul and restoration works on the " Brest-Hero Fortress " memorial complex (#9). > 25 June, 1996 > The first session of the Belarus-Russia Community Parliamentary Assembly was held in Smolensk. S. Sharetsky, Chairman of the Belarus Supreme Soviet, was elected Chairman of the Assembly. > 29 August, 1996 > An exchange of instruments of ratification dealing with the formation of the Belarus-Russia Community took place in Moscow, meaning that the Treaty was officially put into force. > 4 September, 1996 > The fourth meeting of the Executive Committee was held with the agenda as follows: > - On granting Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights to obtain property, own it, use it and dispose of it. > - What joint social and economic projects are there and how to implement them in 1996-1997. > - The draft provision on the Customs Committee of the Community. > - The draft plane of joint activities in the field of culture and tourism for the second half of 1996 and for 1997. > - What is being done to create a single communication system and other related issues. > The meeting adopted a resolution " On securing Belarusian and Russian citizens of equal rights and conditions for bringing in or taking out hard currency when crossing the common customs border " (#3). > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:06:26 PM > Re: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] > > > Here is further information giving credence to the importance of the earliest signing: > > An official commemorative coin for the first anniversary of the Commonwealth of the Russia and Belarus is inscibed with the date April 2, 1996! > http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank- notes_coins/Base_of_memorable_coins/coins.asp?cat_num=5111-0047 > > The obverse: > > the two-headed eagle designed by artist I. Bilibin. The inscriptions along the rim: at the top — «3 ÐÓÁËß 1997 ã.» (3 RUBLES 1997), at the bottom — «ÁÀÍÊ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ» (BANK OF RUSSIA). The letters below indicate the metal sign, the fineness, the fine metal content and the mint trademark. > > > > The reverse: > > at the top to the left and to the right — the State Emblems of Russia and Belarus. The inscription at the top in the middle in five lines: «ÄÎÃÎÂÎÐ ÎÁ ÎÁÐÀÇÎÂÀÍÈÈ ÑÎÎÁÙÅÑÒÂÀ ÐÎÑÑÈÈ È ÁÅËÀÐÓÑÈ» (THE RUSSIA/BELARUS COMMONWEALTH TREATY), below to the left – the Moscow view with the Kremlin, to the right – the Minsk view with an obelisk on Victory Square and the House of the Belorussian Government. At the bottom – the date of signing of the Treaty «2 ÀÏÐÅËß 1996» (APRIL 2, 1996). > > > The artist: A.V. Baklanov > The sculptors: A.A. Dolgopolova, A.S. Khazov > Moscow Mint (ÌÌÄ) > The edge: 300 corrugations > > > The Treaty was signed by President of Russia Boris Yeltsin and President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko on April 2, 1996. It aims to set up a common economic area, to form and carry out a common economic and social policy, to contribute to development and realization of joint programs, to unify the monetary, credit, tax and budget systems, to form up united energy, transport and communication systems, to set up common customs, to promote common scientific, educational and cultural building, to provide for cooperation in security of the borders and for protection of the environment, etc. Each side of the Commonwealth will preserve sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, as well as their constitution, state flag, state emblem, anthem, and other symbols of state power. > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:01:09 PM > Re: THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] > > > Dear and list members, > > Enclosed is a link with some further information about the Union. > http://www.answers.com/topic/russia-belarus-union > > It shows that the Union was formally established on April 2, 1997, exactly one year after the initial treaty to form the union was signed. This raises the question of which date is more important to explain the new entity. > > The earlier date and time given by Campion works for Russia, while a similar chart one year later does not seem to work. For some mysterious reason, the original treaty to form the union appears to stand out as the most significant. However, I would be interested in the comments of others on the proposed chart, in particular Professor Choudhry. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:56:52 PM > THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS [was: SAMVA] RUSSIA - prov... ] > > > Dear friends, > > > > Further to my last message - it is clear that a new state was created in 1996: > > > > THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS > > > > This union reminds of the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 which still serves as the basis for the horoscope for the UK. > > > > Below please find more information on this historic event. > > > > Since 1996, Belarus has been negotiating with Russia to unify into a single state called the Union of Russia and Belarus. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belorussia > > > > Originally, the Commonwealth of Russia and Belarus was formed on April 2, 1996. The basis of the union was strengthened on April 2, 1997, with the signing of the " Treaty on the Union between Belarus and Russia " at which time its name was changed to the Union of Belarus and Russia. Several further agreements were signed on December 25, 1998, with the intention of providing greater political, economic, and social integration. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Russia_and_Belarus > > > > On 2 April 1996 in Moscow, the President of Belarus A.G.Lukashenko and the President of the Russian federation B. Yeltsin signed the Treaty on the Creation of the Union Between Belarus and Russia. > > > > The Union treaty is entitled " On deepening integration and comprehensive drawing together. " The treaty provides for the creation of an Interparliamentary Congress with 50 parliamentarians from each side, an executive body called the Integration Committee and a Union Court. According to president Lukashenka, a common parliament and constitution could follow later. The name of the new union (SSR in Russian) bears a striking resemblance with the name of the old USSR (SSSR). > > > > On April 2, 1997 Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Belarus-Russia Union. [note: this information appeared on the net. It is possible a more formal treaty was signed one year after the original treaty. However, it is also likely that this information is a misprint.] > > > > The Union Statute or Charter was formally adopted on 23 May 1997. > > > > On December 8, 1999, Belarus and Russia sign the Treaty on the Union State and the program of action to implement the Treaty. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:47:09 PM > Re: RUSSIA - provisional new chart - OMISSION corrected > > > Omission - crucial date missing in text: > > " The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR > On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia ON 2 APRIL 1996, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT). " > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > samva > Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:42:04 PM > RUSSIA - provisional new chart > > > Dear friends, > > The search for an authentic chart for RUSSIA is made difficult by the countries long existence and repeated convolutions of its territories and government structures. Many astrologers are focusing on the breakdown of the USSR and the emergence of Russia in the context of the Commonwealth of Independent Sates in the early 1990s for a potential chart. I have looked at these charts and not found the proper set of natal potentials and transit influences to explain ongoing events in the country. > > I therefore went back to the drawing board. When reading through the chapter on Russia again in the " Book of World Horoscopes " by Nicholas Campion (1996 ed.) I read the concluding segment, which I reproduce below, with renewed interest: > > " The Commonwealth of Sovereign States: the SSR > On March 15 1996 the Russian Parliament called for the recreation of the USSR and on 17 March 1996 it renounced the Minsk declaration of December 1991, effectively declaring that the USSR still existed. This was a legal impossibility, but formed on the backdrop to the creation of confederation of Belarus and Russia, designed to institute economic union and a common foreign policy. The Commonwealth of Idepended States (SSR) was set up by a treaty signed in the Kremlin at 11:18 am (7:18 am GMT). " > > This information, which I had earlier not considered so important, impressed me on second reading as having some potential to explain the real Russia - including the Belorus. It was, however, not until after I cast and examined the chart for this date and time, that I became really impressed. > > Below, I share with you my initial reading: > > This time and location gives 20° 44' Gemini rising, a very fortunate ascendant due to fewer functional malefics. The 3rd lord SUN and 7th lord JUPITER are very strong in the chart, but the 4th house and its lord MERCURY are very afflicted. At the same time, the 2nd lord MOON is weak and its house afflicted. These salient facts suggest this chart merits further study. > > - 3rd lord SUN at 19° 01' Pisces is closely conjunct the 10th house MEP, giving significant political influence, a very strong state and a President. The SUN is conjunt natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces, which is not a serious concern due to the strength of the Sun and orb of affliction. > - 2nd lord MOON at 28° 37' Leo and 3rd house gives some influence from initiatives and public pronouncements. The Moon has just over 50% strength in this placement. The weakness is aggravated by the affliction of the 2nd house by KETU at 23° 20' Pisces. This makes Russia's status, wealth and relations with neighboring countries vulnerable to setbacks. > -4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' Pisces and the 10th house MEP, is debilitated, combust and closely conjunct natal KETU at 23° 20'. Further RAHU at 23° 20' Virgo is closely conjunct the 4th house MEP. These placements suggest 4th house matters, including natural resources, communal harmony and fixed assets, are highly vulnerable to sudden setbacks and crisis. As RAHU also aspects the 12th and 8th houses, it could explain the role of the secret service (formerly the KGB) in clamping down on dissent and the apparent murder of notable journalists who made a a name for themselves by criticising the methods of Putin (a former KGB man). The condition of journalism is ndicated by MERCURY. The Putin government has also silenced critics abroad, esp. Litvinenko, former KGB spy and informant to the West, who was poisened to death in London in the fall of 2006 allegedly by another spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6179074.stm > - 9th lord JUPITER at 22° 15' Sagittarius is conjunct the 7th house MEP, giving an expansive foreign policy and divine protection in this area. The religious and judicial affairs in the country would have international importance. The Russian Orthodox church is increasingly becoming important as it has re-established its presence in the country and in other countries after the fall of materialist Communism. Russian leaders of industrial companies would be powerful, both at home and abroad. The placement is also highly supportive of the indications of the 11th house of ideals and income, 1st house of self and fame and 3rd house of initiatives, commerce and transportation. Interestingly, the famed writer Solshinetzin, the most notable 20th century critic of the excesses of the USSR, felt that the West had become corrupt and needed to rely more on its Christian heritage to restore the earlier glory. Russia's nationbuilding now seems to be advancing on this idea and this chart reflects that with this placement. Shortly before his death, Putin officially restored the status of Solshinetzin to the equivalent of national treasure. > - 11th lord MARS at 12° 55' Pisces and 10th house, is well placed but slightly weakened by combustion. It is therefore reasonably strong, suggesting Russia has adequate military power and its income and ideals are linked to its place in the world. > - 9th lord SATURN at 5° 34' Pisces in the 10th house is well placed and widely combust, which suggests some luck in this area as well. > - 5th lord VENUS at 4° 53' Taurus is badly placed in the 12th house. The affliction of RAHU to the 12th house helps explain the adverse conditions of women in Russia, many of which have been exploited by a growing sex industry. It also suggests such areas as entertainment and stock speculation would not do well and might be more oriented towards foreign markets. Many very rich people in Russia, who want to live in luxury, have largely been forced to emigrate to countries like the UK and Switzerland. Luxury or creature comforts do not seem to be prominent in the daily life of most Russians. Many women in Russia seek to marry better off men in the west through the internet. > > The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. > > * Moon/KETU period is now operating since 14 August 2008. This suggests Russia may become increasingly isolated in until next year. > - transit stationary KETU at 24° 30' Cancer and 2nd house MEP is exactly afflicting natal 4th lord MERCURY at 24° 19' and natal KETU at 23° 20' Pisces and 10th house. Sudden setbacks are being realised in terms of the countries wealth and status and its communal harmony. > - transit stationary RAHU at 24° 30' Capricorn and 8th house MEP of obstacles is mutually afflicting its own placement in the 4th house and the 4th house. > > Even if the Russian need to assert its influence is now on prominent display, it will likely result in upsets for the Russian people. This crisis should begin to lift later this year, as the nodal station lifts and be gone by Spring 2009. By 2010, when the SUN period begins, things are likely to improve significantly. Even if this crisis is making Russia look like a bully, it is likely the crisis also has to do with the Wests underestimation of Russias own sense of itself and its sense of its own rightful place in the world. > > One notable event in Russia's history is the countries default on its international debt obligations on 19 August 1998. The value of Russian assets and its currency, the Rouble, collapsed and many thought the country would fall apart (George Soros publised article in Financial Times on that day saying the crisis had reached its " terminal phase " ). The timeline of the crisis is shown here. > http://www.efinancialnews.com/tradingandtechnology/trading/content/245 1494061 > * Sun/SATURN period was operating > - Transit stationary RAHU at 7° Leo was in close aspect with transit stationary and debilitated SATURN at 8° Aries in the 11th house of income. Russia did not have enough income to service its obligations. > - transit MERCURY was retrograde around 23° Cancer and second house of wealth under the close aspect of natal KETU. Fixed assets and collective harmony in Russia suffered a serious setback. Many politicians called for President Yeltsin to resign. > > The crisis ended after the very harmful aspect of Rahu to Saturn came to an end in early 1999. Putin comes to power in August 1999 and Russia has for the most part been in ascendancy since, including the startling assertion of state power over oligarchs and critics abroad. > > I believe this 20° Gemini chart merits careful consideration as the authentic chart for RUSSIA. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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