Rectifying an authentic chart for Russia - CORRECTION

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Correction:

 

" ...when transit 8th lord MARS in Virgo and 1st house becomes

CONJUNCT natal MARS in PISCES and 7th house. AT THE SAME TIME, 12TH

LORD SUN BECOMES CONJUNCT 6TH LORD SATURN IN LEO AND 12TH HOUSE. "

 

 

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear list members,

> In the early Virgo chart for Russian Sovereignity, it is easy to

explain with transit and period influences the financial crisis which

peaked around 17-19 August 1998 (in Mo/Su period) and the terrorist

attacks on 16 February 1999 (in Ma/Ma period) and 15 February 2006

(in Ra/Ra period). 

> This chart suggests some difficulty in early September,

when transit 8th lord MARS in Virgo and 1st house becomes natal MARS

in Capricorn and 7th house and comes under aspect of major- and sub-

period lord RAHU in the 5th house.

> Nothing of note is seen to occur for the rest of the month.

> Best wishes,

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> Cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Monday, August 25, 2008 1:24:17 PM

> Re: Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for Russia

>

>

> Dear Ananta,

>  

> In SAMVA we certainly emphasise that any rectification be based on

three steps:

>  

> 1. A reading of the natal potential as per SA

> 2. That transit and period influences as per 1. are able to explain

all significant historical events

> 3. That the chart be tested with predictions. Only once there have

been repeat successful predictions may the chart be considered

authentic.

>  

> As for the issue of a Virgo ascendant based on the events in the

early afternoon of June 12, 1990, we can make the following

observation with regard to the natal potential of the ca. 0-2°

28' Virgo rising chart:

>  

> A. the 2nd lord VENUS at 21° Aries is placed in the 8th house while

8th lord MARS at 15° Pisces is placed in the 7th house under the

aspect of FM KETU at 14° Cancer in the 11th house.

> Reading: Russia would not have much status internationally. The 2nd

house indications of a) wealth, b) status and c) relations with

neighboring countries are shown to be under considerable strain and

vulnerable to repeat setbacks.

>  

> B. 6th lord SATURN at 0° 29' Capircorn and in MEP of 5th house

(speculation), from where it aspects the 7th house (foreign affairs),

the 11th house (income and goals) and 2nd house (wealth, relations

with neighbors).

> Reading: This placement would make Russia liable to conflict

concerning the indications of these houses.

>  

> C. If the time were closer to 1:30 pm, with the Virgo rising degree

closer to 0° or even 1° this would place 12th lord SUN at 27° 28'

Taurus into the MEP of the 10th house.

> Reading: This placement would make Russia liable to losses in

foreign trade and the excecutive part of government. 

>  

> D. 1st lord MERCURY at 6° 57' Taurus and in the MEP of the 9th

house, thereby aspecting the 3rd house.

> Reading: This placement would give Russia luck during the periods

of Mercury, a sense of pride in its own history and a willingness to

rule.

>  

> E. 4th lord JUPITER at 21° Gemini and 10th house.

> Reading: This placement would give Russia was lands and

generally domestic harmony.

>  

> F. 11th lord MOON at 11° 45' Capricorn and 5th house conjunct FM

RAHU at 14° 20'.

> Reading: This placement would give Russia a tendency for

manipulation when it comes to income and goals. There could be

setbacks during transit afflictions to income or goals. 

>  

> Certainly, A. and B. are suggestive of the wars in Chechnya and

Georgia - as well as the tense relations with pro-western Ukraine,

Czech Republic and Poland.

>  

> D. and E. would be helpful for domestic peace and luck and explain

willingness to rule.

>  

> F. is likely also consistent with a lot of manipulation in regard

to the oil revenues and tussle with the oligarchs.

>  

> Overall, there is some support for Russia in this chart, but the

plaement of Venus appears questionable.

>  

> It will have to wait to examine this chart in terms of 2. and then

make predictions (3.).

>  

> Best wishes,

>  

> Thor

>

>  

>

>

>

> anantavijnyana <non-dual

> SAMVA

> Monday, August 25, 2008 10:39:43 AM

> Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for Russia

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> I think that a correct lagna allows both to clarify historical

events

> and make accurate predictions. Anyway Moon in the chart of Russia

is

> in Capricorn with Rahu and retrograde Saturn and you can analyze

all

> events from that point of view. If you wish to look at Virgo lagna

> more in details you can, for instance, consider the Mahadasha of

Mars

> (16.02.1999 – 15.02.2006) when all serious terrorist acts occurred.

> All events will be correctly explained astrologicaly. You can also

look

> at the Mahadasha of Moon (Moon-Sun in 17.08.1998) when the hard

> economic crisis destroyed Russian financial system…

>

> Kind regards,

>

> Ananta

>

>

>

> SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ananta,

> >

> > Thank you for the clarification on your approach.

> >

> > In what way do you find that the Virgo chart works much better?

Is

> it

> > better

> >

> > a) to explain historical events or recent events or

> > b) for making accurate predictions?

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> > SAMVA , " anantavijnyana " <non-dual@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Thor,

> > >

> > > My approch is totally based on traditional Indian astrology

> > (including

> > > Jamini astrology) and I do not think in terms of SA. As I said

> I've

> > > used this Russian chart for many times, but of course I do not

> > > guarantee that 13:45 is 100% correct. At the same time, the

Lagna

> > in

> > > Virgo works much better then Leo.

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > >

> > > Ananta

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear SAMVA listers:

> > > >

> > > > Two points:

> > > >

> > > > I agree with Ananta's interpretation, on the question of the

> > > significance of the event of June 12, 1990 for the sovereign

birth

> > of

> > > post-Soviet Russia.

> > > >

> > > > The source of the time moment of 13:45 hrs is Campion. It is

an

> > > 'estimated' TOB; not the actual reported moment. The actual

time

> > may

> > > be as much as 30 (clock) minutes earlier.

> > > >

> > > > John

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@>

> > > > Re: Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for

Russia

> > > > SAMVA

> > > > Sunday, August 24, 2008, 6:49 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >   

> > > >            Dear Ananta,

> > > >  

> > > > Good to hear.

> > > >  

> > > > I have two questions related to your work with this chart on

> > basis

> > > of Virgo ascendant: Have you analysed the natal potential of

> > > this chart in terms of SA? Have you made predictions against

it?

> > > >  

> > > > When I find the time, I will look into what these charts (Leo

> and

> > > Virgo) imply for mid September 2008 - so that we may have a

more

> > > objective basis by which to evaluate them. Meanwhile, if you or

> > other

> > > list members have time to venture an oppinion, that would be

> > helpful.

> > > >  

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >  

> > > > Thor

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > anantavijnyana <non-dual (AT) ya (DOT) ru>

> > > > SAMVA

> > > > Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:28:39 PM

> > > > Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for Russia

> > > >

> > > > Dear Thor,

> > > >

> > > > It seems to me that the time 13:45 is working quite

reasonably

> in

> > > the

> > > > 12/06/1990 chart. Personally I've used it for many years and

all

> > > events of

> > > > modern history of Russia are there...

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ananta

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ananta,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for the information and advice. It is good to

have

> > > feedback

> > > > > from a Russian (?) list members on this question.

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as I have been able to tell, this issue is not

straight

> > > > >

> > > >  forward, at least when considering the information cited in

> > > > > the blog. That said, the issue of an authentic chart for

> Russia

> > > has

> > > > > not been settled on this list in terms of SA and I would be

> > happy

> > > to

> > > > > explore further other dates, including the one proposed by

> you.

> > So

> > > > > far, I have considered the dates in August 1991 and have

not

> > found

> > > > > them to offer a convincing match. In addition to the Union

> > chart,

> > > > > whose legitemacy is doubted by you, we have considered also

> the

> > > > > declaration of the Minsk Agreement in December 1991. As for

> the

> > > event

> > > > > suggested by you, the following is written in

Campion's " The

> > Book

> > > of

> > > > > World Horoscopes "

> > > > >

> > > > > RUSSIAN SOVEREIGNITY

> > > > > " The Russian parliament declared the sovereignity of the

> > Russian

> > > > > Federative Republic within the USSR on 12 June 1990, at

> > > approximately

> > > > > 9:45 [am] GMT. This is a critical moment on the path to

Russian

> > > > 

> > > > > independence and the breakup of the Soviet Union, marking

the

> > > > > assertion of the Russian Republic's right to control its

own

> > > internal

> > > > > affairs independently of the Soviet government. "

> > > > >

> > > > > In footnote 1166 which accompanies this entry it is noted

that

> > the

> > > > > time is an estimate. The chart that results has 2° Virgo

> rising

> > > and

> > > > > is not credible. An earlier time is therefore more likely,

say

> > > 9:30

> > > > > or earlier, giving late Leo rising. Such an ascendant would

> > appear

> > > > > more fitting than a Virgo ascendant for Russia. That said,

> much

> > > work

> > > > > remains to examine this time in terms of SA and then, given

an

> > > > > acceptable match for natal potential and history, some

> > predictions

> > > > > could be made. As I do not have the time to devote to this

> > until

> > > > > later, I encourage interested list members to make the

effort,

> > > > > especially list members from Russia, who have most to gain

from

> > > >  the

> > > > > discovery of an authentic chart for this country.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thor

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SAMVA , " anantavijnyana " <non-dual@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sure that the chart for the Union of Russia and

Belarus

> > > should

> > > > > > not be used for any prognoses. Russia is an independent

> > country

> > > > > > created on 12/06/1990 and it is not " an union " . All

> political

> > > > > > relations with Belarus are formal and these relations

have

> > not

> > > > > > transformed to something more...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kind regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ananta

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Oops: conjunct should be OPPOSITE

 

(Did this in a hurry and as you know, haste makes waste)

 

SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Correction:

>

> " ...when transit 8th lord MARS in Virgo and 1st house becomes

> CONJUNCT natal MARS in PISCES and 7th house. AT THE SAME TIME, 12TH

> LORD SUN BECOMES CONJUNCT 6TH LORD SATURN IN LEO AND 12TH HOUSE. "

>

>

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear list members,

> > In the early Virgo chart for Russian Sovereignity, it is easy to

> explain with transit and period influences the financial

crisis which

> peaked around 17-19 August 1998 (in Mo/Su period) and the terrorist

> attacks on 16 February 1999 (in Ma/Ma period) and 15 February 2006

> (in Ra/Ra period). 

> > This chart suggests some difficulty in early September,

> when transit 8th lord MARS in Virgo and 1st house becomes natal

MARS

> in Capricorn and 7th house and comes under aspect of major- and sub-

> period lord RAHU in the 5th house.

> > Nothing of note is seen to occur for the rest of the month.

> > Best wishes,

> > Thor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Cosmologer <cosmologer@>

> > SAMVA

> > Monday, August 25, 2008 1:24:17 PM

> > Re: Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for Russia

> >

> >

> > Dear Ananta,

> >  

> > In SAMVA we certainly emphasise that any rectification be based

on

> three steps:

> >  

> > 1. A reading of the natal potential as per SA

> > 2. That transit and period influences as per 1. are able to

explain

> all significant historical events

> > 3. That the chart be tested with predictions. Only once there

have

> been repeat successful predictions may the chart be considered

> authentic.

> >  

> > As for the issue of a Virgo ascendant based on the events in the

> early afternoon of June 12, 1990, we can make the following

> observation with regard to the natal potential of the ca. 0-2°

> 28' Virgo rising chart:

> >  

> > A. the 2nd lord VENUS at 21° Aries is placed in the 8th house

while

> 8th lord MARS at 15° Pisces is placed in the 7th house under the

> aspect of FM KETU at 14° Cancer in the 11th house.

> > Reading: Russia would not have much status internationally. The

2nd

> house indications of a) wealth, b) status and c) relations with

> neighboring countries are shown to be under considerable strain and

> vulnerable to repeat setbacks.

> >  

> > B. 6th lord SATURN at 0° 29' Capircorn and in MEP of 5th house

> (speculation), from where it aspects the 7th house (foreign

affairs),

> the 11th house (income and goals) and 2nd house (wealth, relations

> with neighbors).

> > Reading: This placement would make Russia liable to conflict

> concerning the indications of these houses.

> >  

> > C. If the time were closer to 1:30 pm, with the Virgo rising

degree

> closer to 0° or even 1° this would place 12th lord SUN at 27° 28'

> Taurus into the MEP of the 10th house.

> > Reading: This placement would make Russia liable to losses in

> foreign trade and the excecutive part of government. 

> >  

> > D. 1st lord MERCURY at 6° 57' Taurus and in the MEP of the 9th

> house, thereby aspecting the 3rd house.

> > Reading: This placement would give Russia luck during the periods

> of Mercury, a sense of pride in its own history and a willingness

to

> rule.

> >  

> > E. 4th lord JUPITER at 21° Gemini and 10th house.

> > Reading: This placement would give Russia was lands and

> generally domestic harmony.

> >  

> > F. 11th lord MOON at 11° 45' Capricorn and 5th house conjunct FM

> RAHU at 14° 20'.

> > Reading: This placement would give Russia a tendency for

> manipulation when it comes to income and goals. There could be

> setbacks during transit afflictions to income or goals. 

> >  

> > Certainly, A. and B. are suggestive of the wars in Chechnya and

> Georgia - as well as the tense relations with pro-western Ukraine,

> Czech Republic and Poland.

> >  

> > D. and E. would be helpful for domestic peace and luck and

explain

> willingness to rule.

> >  

> > F. is likely also consistent with a lot of manipulation in regard

> to the oil revenues and tussle with the oligarchs.

> >  

> > Overall, there is some support for Russia in this chart, but the

> plaement of Venus appears questionable.

> >  

> > It will have to wait to examine this chart in terms of 2. and

then

> make predictions (3.).

> >  

> > Best wishes,

> >  

> > Thor

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > anantavijnyana <non-dual@>

> > SAMVA

> > Monday, August 25, 2008 10:39:43 AM

> > Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for Russia

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > I think that a correct lagna allows both to clarify historical

> events

> > and make accurate predictions. Anyway Moon in the chart of Russia

> is

> > in Capricorn with Rahu and retrograde Saturn and you can analyze

> all

> > events from that point of view. If you wish to look at Virgo

lagna

> > more in details you can, for instance, consider the Mahadasha of

> Mars

> > (16.02.1999 – 15.02.2006) when all serious terrorist acts

occurred.

> > All events will be correctly explained astrologicaly. You can

also

> look

> > at the Mahadasha of Moon (Moon-Sun in 17.08.1998) when the hard

> > economic crisis destroyed Russian financial system…

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> > Ananta

> >

> >

> >

> > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ananta,

> > >

> > > Thank you for the clarification on your approach.

> > >

> > > In what way do you find that the Virgo chart works much better?

> Is

> > it

> > > better

> > >

> > > a) to explain historical events or recent events or

> > > b) for making accurate predictions?

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Thor

> > >

> > > SAMVA , " anantavijnyana " <non-dual@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Thor,

> > > >

> > > > My approch is totally based on traditional Indian astrology

> > > (including

> > > > Jamini astrology) and I do not think in terms of SA. As I

said

> > I've

> > > > used this Russian chart for many times, but of course I do

not

> > > > guarantee that 13:45 is 100% correct. At the same time, the

> Lagna

> > > in

> > > > Virgo works much better then Leo.

> > > >

> > > > Kind regards,

> > > >

> > > > Ananta

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SAMVA , JohnTWB <blazingstar1776@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear SAMVA listers:

> > > > >

> > > > > Two points:

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with Ananta's interpretation, on the question of

the

> > > > significance of the event of June 12, 1990 for the sovereign

> birth

> > > of

> > > > post-Soviet Russia.

> > > > >

> > > > > The source of the time moment of 13:45 hrs is Campion. It

is

> an

> > > > 'estimated' TOB; not the actual reported moment. The actual

> time

> > > may

> > > > be as much as 30 (clock) minutes earlier.

> > > > >

> > > > > John

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@>

> > > > > Re: Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for

> Russia

> > > > > SAMVA

> > > > > Sunday, August 24, 2008, 6:49 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >   

> > > > >            Dear Ananta,

> > > > >  

> > > > > Good to hear.

> > > > >  

> > > > > I have two questions related to your work with this chart

on

> > > basis

> > > > of Virgo ascendant: Have you analysed the natal potential of

> > > > this chart in terms of SA? Have you made predictions against

> it?

> > > > >  

> > > > > When I find the time, I will look into what these charts

(Leo

> > and

> > > > Virgo) imply for mid September 2008 - so that we may have a

> more

> > > > objective basis by which to evaluate them. Meanwhile, if you

or

> > > other

> > > > list members have time to venture an oppinion, that would be

> > > helpful.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >  

> > > > > Thor

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > anantavijnyana <non-dual (AT) ya (DOT) ru>

> > > > > SAMVA

> > > > > Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:28:39 PM

> > > > > Re: Rectifying an authentic chart for

Russia

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Thor,

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems to me that the time 13:45 is working quite

> reasonably

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > 12/06/1990 chart. Personally I've used it for many years

and

> all

> > > > events of

> > > > > modern history of Russia are there...

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ananta

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer "

<cosmologer@ ..>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Ananta,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for the information and advice. It is good to

> have

> > > > feedback

> > > > > > from a Russian (?) list members on this question.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as I have been able to tell, this issue is not

> straight

> > > > > >

> > > > >  forward, at least when considering the information cited

in

> > > > > > the blog. That said, the issue of an authentic chart for

> > Russia

> > > > has

> > > > > > not been settled on this list in terms of SA and I would

be

> > > happy

> > > > to

> > > > > > explore further other dates, including the one proposed

by

> > you.

> > > So

> > > > > > far, I have considered the dates in August 1991 and have

> not

> > > found

> > > > > > them to offer a convincing match. In addition to the

Union

> > > chart,

> > > > > > whose legitemacy is doubted by you, we have considered

also

> > the

> > > > > > declaration of the Minsk Agreement in December 1991. As

for

> > the

> > > > event

> > > > > > suggested by you, the following is written in

> Campion's " The

> > > Book

> > > > of

> > > > > > World Horoscopes "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RUSSIAN SOVEREIGNITY

> > > > > > " The Russian parliament declared the sovereignity of the

> > > Russian

> > > > > > Federative Republic within the USSR on 12 June 1990, at

> > > > approximately

> > > > > > 9:45 [am] GMT. This is a critical moment on the path to

> Russian

> > > > > 

> > > > > > independence and the breakup of the Soviet Union, marking

> the

> > > > > > assertion of the Russian Republic's right to control its

> own

> > > > internal

> > > > > > affairs independently of the Soviet government. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In footnote 1166 which accompanies this entry it is noted

> that

> > > the

> > > > > > time is an estimate. The chart that results has 2° Virgo

> > rising

> > > > and

> > > > > > is not credible. An earlier time is therefore more

likely,

> say

> > > > 9:30

> > > > > > or earlier, giving late Leo rising. Such an ascendant

would

> > > appear

> > > > > > more fitting than a Virgo ascendant for Russia. That

said,

> > much

> > > > work

> > > > > > remains to examine this time in terms of SA and then,

given

> an

> > > > > > acceptable match for natal potential and history, some

> > > predictions

> > > > > > could be made. As I do not have the time to devote to

this

> > > until

> > > > > > later, I encourage interested list members to make the

> effort,

> > > > > > especially list members from Russia, who have most to

gain

> from

> > > > >  the

> > > > > > discovery of an authentic chart for this country.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thor

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SAMVA , " anantavijnyana " <non-

dual@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm sure that the chart for the Union of Russia and

> Belarus

> > > > should

> > > > > > > not be used for any prognoses. Russia is an independent

> > > country

> > > > > > > created on 12/06/1990 and it is not " an union " . All

> > political

> > > > > > > relations with Belarus are formal and these relations

> have

> > > not

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