Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Hello DB, The Virgo ascendant chart is is a very interesting - due to diametrically opposite indications as relates to the longevity. It could be consistent with someone who shines in life but who runs some risk of developin a fatal illness or having a fata accident. That said, there is a strong placement for effective divine protection in the life. This chart has, in my view, some possibility of being correct. However, some checking of the transits and periods with events in her life is needed to confirm or reject that hypothesis. While the karma for accident or illness, which could be fatal, is there, there is also the placement of JUPITER, the planet of divine grace, on the most effective point of the 7th house. This placement would suggest her physical wellbeing receives divine protection for some past good deeds, due to its aspect on the 1st house. This protective aspect would make the person very religious and derive great happiness from her close connection with the divine. The aspect could also potentially stave off the very harmful combination of 12th, 6th and 8th lords. In my view, this combination represents a very difficult karma with regard to illness, accident and losses. So, during the periods of the adverse planets and given a stationary affliction of this combination, a bad result could indeed be expected to take place. A test of earlier such transit/period " hits " could be examined to see if her life experienced the expected difficulty at that time or not. If there is little evidence of such a potent karma being aroused at some point in here life, the chart would likely have some other ascendant. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " devibhakt " <devibhakt wrote: > > I agree that it could mean illness or accident but that is different > from longevity. Would you not agree? > > DB > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Correction in UPPER CASE in the text: > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > SAMVA > > Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19:36 AM > > Re: Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > Hello DB, > > > > You have a point about 8th lord MARS also being the indicator of > inheritance. There would not be much inheritance, or much controversy > over it and whatever inheritance there came COULD BE SUBJECT TO A > LOSS. However, we should also note that 1st lord MERCURY is strong in > the 5th house and 4th lord JUPITER strongly aspects the 1st house, > both of which would augur well for the longevity. However, as 8th > lord MARS is not only weak in the chart but highly afflicted by the > 12th lord of losses and 6th lord of illness. this placement could > suggest a fatal accident or illness. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt@> > > SAMVA > > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59:31 AM > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > In this chart, 10L (status) is weak and in 8th. She could not have > > become a Governer of a state with this chart. Sun (2L) and sun- > like > > planet Mercury are both weak. > > > > I have doubts that this is her chart. I still have full confidence > > in 9:43pm chart although I have not been able to get hold of her > > birth certificate yet. > > > > 8L being weak does not always mean short longevity. It could also > > mean no inheritance. > > > > DB > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Thor... > > > > > > I think the 4:40 p.m. time for Sara Palin gives the Cancer, not > > Leo, rising > > > at 26:13 degrees; using Feb. 11, 1964, Sandpoint, ID; 116W33:08; > > 48N16:36; > > > TZ: 8; DST 0. > > > > > > This chart can show the prominent rise and conflict over the past > > two years > > > and five months. > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On > > Behalf Of > > > cosmologer > > > Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:31 AM > > > SAMVA > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > Very good point about 8th lord Mars in the Virgo ascendant being > > > indicative of curtailed longevity. Indeed, the combination of > 12th > > > lord in end of 5th house, with 8th lord and 6th lord at beginning > > of > > > 6th house would be quite difficult, to say the least. > > > > > > Shortly after her candidacy was announced, I tentatively > introduced > > a > > > 6° Sagittarius ascendant (4:19 am) for her. Then information > about > > > her " official " but still yet unconfirmed birth times started > coming > > > out. Have you examined the 4:40 pm time, with 26° Leo rising. The > > > Virgo ascendant was the other such time. > > > > > > Look forward to hear more about your investigations into the > Libra > > > ascendant. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There have been several birth times given for Sarah Palin. None > > of > > > them > > > > give charts which are totally compelling. > > > > > > > > A Virgo ascendant was given initially but this does not make > > sense. > > > > 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being > combust. > > > There > > > > would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to this > > age. > > > > > > > > When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is > > best > > > to > > > > start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available > > > biographical > > > > data. > > > > I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is > > balancing > > > the > > > > weakness of combust Mars. > > > > > > > > Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this. > > > > Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it > > > immensely. > > > > Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive > abilities > > > and 10L > > > > Moon is well placed giving her public prominence. > > > > I am still working on the degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 When you say illness or fatal accident, and to determine her longevity, we need to assess the timing of such illness or fatal accident. And then we should know whether or not this chart has longevity issues. Would you agree? I am also curious to know Professor's view on this chart and the longevity. In other words, if this chart was presented to the list without mentioning that this was Palin's chart, what will the Professor say? (I think I just got a line that could become famous in SA community - " What Will Professor Say " )!!! DB SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello DB, > > The Virgo ascendant chart is is a very interesting - due to > diametrically opposite indications as relates to the longevity. It > could be consistent with someone who shines in life but who runs some > risk of developin a fatal illness or having a fata accident. That > said, there is a strong placement for effective divine protection in > the life. This chart has, in my view, some possibility of being > correct. However, some checking of the transits and periods with > events in her life is needed to confirm or reject that hypothesis. > > While the karma for accident or illness, which could be fatal, is > there, there is also the placement of JUPITER, the planet of divine > grace, on the most effective point of the 7th house. This placement > would suggest her physical wellbeing receives divine protection for > some past good deeds, due to its aspect on the 1st house. This > protective aspect would make the person very religious and derive > great happiness from her close connection with the divine. The aspect > could also potentially stave off the very harmful combination of > 12th, 6th and 8th lords. In my view, this combination represents a > very difficult karma with regard to illness, accident and losses. So, > during the periods of the adverse planets and given a stationary > affliction of this combination, a bad result could indeed be expected > to take place. A test of earlier such transit/period " hits " could be > examined to see if her life experienced the expected difficulty at > that time or not. If there is little evidence of such a potent karma > being aroused at some point in here life, the chart would likely have > some other ascendant. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > SAMVA , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> wrote: > > > > I agree that it could mean illness or accident but that is > different > > from longevity. Would you not agree? > > > > DB > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Correction in UPPER CASE in the text: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19:36 AM > > > Re: Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > > > > Hello DB, > > > > > > You have a point about 8th lord MARS also being the indicator of > > inheritance. There would not be much inheritance, or much > controversy > > over it and whatever inheritance there came COULD BE SUBJECT TO A > > LOSS. However, we should also note that 1st lord MERCURY is strong > in > > the 5th house and 4th lord JUPITER strongly aspects the 1st house, > > both of which would augur well for the longevity. However, as 8th > > lord MARS is not only weak in the chart but highly afflicted by the > > 12th lord of losses and 6th lord of illness. this placement could > > suggest a fatal accident or illness. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt@> > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59:31 AM > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > In this chart, 10L (status) is weak and in 8th. She could not > have > > > become a Governer of a state with this chart. Sun (2L) and sun- > > like > > > planet Mercury are both weak. > > > > > > I have doubts that this is her chart. I still have full > confidence > > > in 9:43pm chart although I have not been able to get hold of her > > > birth certificate yet. > > > > > > 8L being weak does not always mean short longevity. It could > also > > > mean no inheritance. > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Thor... > > > > > > > > I think the 4:40 p.m. time for Sara Palin gives the Cancer, not > > > Leo, rising > > > > at 26:13 degrees; using Feb. 11, 1964, Sandpoint, ID; > 116W33:08; > > > 48N16:36; > > > > TZ: 8; DST 0. > > > > > > > > This chart can show the prominent rise and conflict over the > past > > > two years > > > > and five months. > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > cosmologer > > > > Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:31 AM > > > > SAMVA > > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > > > Very good point about 8th lord Mars in the Virgo ascendant > being > > > > indicative of curtailed longevity. Indeed, the combination of > > 12th > > > > lord in end of 5th house, with 8th lord and 6th lord at > beginning > > > of > > > > 6th house would be quite difficult, to say the least. > > > > > > > > Shortly after her candidacy was announced, I tentatively > > introduced > > > a > > > > 6° Sagittarius ascendant (4:19 am) for her. Then information > > about > > > > her " official " but still yet unconfirmed birth times started > > coming > > > > out. Have you examined the 4:40 pm time, with 26° Leo rising. > The > > > > Virgo ascendant was the other such time. > > > > > > > > Look forward to hear more about your investigations into the > > Libra > > > > ascendant. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been several birth times given for Sarah Palin. > None > > > of > > > > them > > > > > give charts which are totally compelling. > > > > > > > > > > A Virgo ascendant was given initially but this does not make > > > sense. > > > > > 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being > > combust. > > > > There > > > > > would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to > this > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is > > > best > > > > to > > > > > start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available > > > > biographical > > > > > data. > > > > > I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is > > > balancing > > > > the > > > > > weakness of combust Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this. > > > > > Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it > > > > immensely. > > > > > Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive > > abilities > > > > and 10L > > > > > Moon is well placed giving her public prominence. > > > > > I am still working on the degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Hello DB, Between the two charts, Virgo ascendant chart looks to be appropriate. Best wishes. - devibhakt SAMVA Friday, September 19, 2008 5:58 PM Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant - CORR When you say illness or fatal accident, and to determine her longevity, we need to assess the timing of such illness or fatal accident. And then we should know whether or not this chart has longevity issues. Would you agree?I am also curious to know Professor's view on this chart and the longevity. In other words, if this chart was presented to the list without mentioning that this was Palin's chart, what will the Professor say? (I think I just got a line that could become famous in SA community - "What Will Professor Say")!!!DBSAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer wrote:>> Hello DB,> > The Virgo ascendant chart is is a very interesting - due to > diametrically opposite indications as relates to the longevity. It > could be consistent with someone who shines in life but who runs some > risk of developin a fatal illness or having a fata accident. That > said, there is a strong placement for effective divine protection in > the life. This chart has, in my view, some possibility of being > correct. However, some checking of the transits and periods with > events in her life is needed to confirm or reject that hypothesis.> > While the karma for accident or illness, which could be fatal, is > there, there is also the placement of JUPITER, the planet of divine > grace, on the most effective point of the 7th house. This placement > would suggest her physical wellbeing receives divine protection for > some past good deeds, due to its aspect on the 1st house. This > protective aspect would make the person very religious and derive > great happiness from her close connection with the divine. The aspect > could also potentially stave off the very harmful combination of > 12th, 6th and 8th lords. In my view, this combination represents a > very difficult karma with regard to illness, accident and losses. So, > during the periods of the adverse planets and given a stationary > affliction of this combination, a bad result could indeed be expected > to take place. A test of earlier such transit/period "hits" could be > examined to see if her life experienced the expected difficulty at > that time or not. If there is little evidence of such a potent karma > being aroused at some point in here life, the chart would likely have > some other ascendant. > > Best wishes,> > Thor > SAMVA , "devibhakt" <devibhakt@> wrote:> >> > I agree that it could mean illness or accident but that is > different > > from longevity. Would you not agree?> > > > DB> > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > >> > > Correction in UPPER CASE in the text:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19:36 AM> > > Re: Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant> > > > > > > > > Hello DB,> > > > > > You have a point about 8th lord MARS also being the indicator of > > inheritance. There would not be much inheritance, or much > controversy > > over it and whatever inheritance there came COULD BE SUBJECT TO A > > LOSS. However, we should also note that 1st lord MERCURY is strong > in > > the 5th house and 4th lord JUPITER strongly aspects the 1st house, > > both of which would augur well for the longevity. However, as 8th > > lord MARS is not only weak in the chart but highly afflicted by the > > 12th lord of losses and 6th lord of illness. this placement could > > suggest a fatal accident or illness. > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt@>> > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59:31 AM> > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant> > > > > > In this chart, 10L (status) is weak and in 8th. She could not > have > > > become a Governer of a state with this chart. Sun (2L) and sun-> > like > > > planet Mercury are both weak.> > > > > > I have doubts that this is her chart. I still have full > confidence > > > in 9:43pm chart although I have not been able to get hold of her > > > birth certificate yet.> > > > > > 8L being weak does not always mean short longevity. It could > also > > > mean no inheritance.> > > > > > DB> > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , "David Hawthorne" <david@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Thor...> > > > > > > > I think the 4:40 p.m. time for Sara Palin gives the Cancer, not > > > Leo, rising> > > > at 26:13 degrees; using Feb. 11, 1964, Sandpoint, ID; > 116W33:08; > > > 48N16:36;> > > > TZ: 8; DST 0. > > > > > > > > This chart can show the prominent rise and conflict over the > past > > > two years> > > > and five months.> > > > > > > > David Hawthorne> > > > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On > > > Behalf Of> > > > cosmologer> > > > Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:31 AM> > > > SAMVA > > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant> > > > > > > > Hi Ron,> > > > > > > > Very good point about 8th lord Mars in the Virgo ascendant > being > > > > indicative of curtailed longevity. Indeed, the combination of > > 12th > > > > lord in end of 5th house, with 8th lord and 6th lord at > beginning > > > of > > > > 6th house would be quite difficult, to say the least.> > > > > > > > Shortly after her candidacy was announced, I tentatively > > introduced > > > a > > > > 6° Sagittarius ascendant (4:19 am) for her. Then information > > about > > > > her "official" but still yet unconfirmed birth times started > > coming > > > > out. Have you examined the 4:40 pm time, with 26° Leo rising. > The > > > > Virgo ascendant was the other such time. > > > > > > > > Look forward to hear more about your investigations into the > > Libra > > > > ascendant.> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > > SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > There have been several birth times given for Sarah Palin. > None > > > of > > > > them > > > > > give charts which are totally compelling.> > > > > > > > > > A Virgo ascendant was given initially but this does not make > > > sense.> > > > > 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being > > combust. > > > > There > > > > > would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to > this > > > age.> > > > > > > > > > When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is > > > best > > > > to > > > > > start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available > > > > biographical > > > > > data.> > > > > I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is > > > balancing > > > > the > > > > > weakness of combust Mars.> > > > > > > > > > Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this.> > > > > Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it > > > > immensely.> > > > > Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive > > abilities > > > > and 10L > > > > > Moon is well placed giving her public prominence.> > > > > I am still working on the degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hi Thor, Just on a technical point here. Mars is affected by combustion from Sun due to proximity but can we say that it is affected by the Sun as lord of 12H since this is out of sign? Thanks Ron Cosmologer wrote: > Correction in UPPER CASE in the text: > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19:36 AM > Re: Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > Hello DB, > > You have a point about 8th lord MARS also being the indicator of inheritance. There would not be much inheritance, or much controversy over it and whatever inheritance there came COULD BE SUBJECT TO A LOSS. However, we should also note that 1st lord MERCURY is strong in the 5th house and 4th lord JUPITER strongly aspects the 1st house, both of which would augur well for the longevity. However, as 8th lord MARS is not only weak in the chart but highly afflicted by the 12th lord of losses and 6th lord of illness. this placement could suggest a fatal accident or illness. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt > SAMVA > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59:31 AM > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > In this chart, 10L (status) is weak and in 8th. She could not have > become a Governer of a state with this chart. Sun (2L) and sun-like > planet Mercury are both weak. > > I have doubts that this is her chart. I still have full confidence > in 9:43pm chart although I have not been able to get hold of her > birth certificate yet. > > 8L being weak does not always mean short longevity. It could also > mean no inheritance. > > DB > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: >> Dear Thor... >> >> I think the 4:40 p.m. time for Sara Palin gives the Cancer, not > Leo, rising >> at 26:13 degrees; using Feb. 11, 1964, Sandpoint, ID; 116W33:08; > 48N16:36; >> TZ: 8; DST 0. >> >> This chart can show the prominent rise and conflict over the past > two years >> and five months. >> >> David Hawthorne >> >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On > Behalf Of >> cosmologer >> Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:31 AM >> SAMVA >> Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Very good point about 8th lord Mars in the Virgo ascendant being >> indicative of curtailed longevity. Indeed, the combination of 12th >> lord in end of 5th house, with 8th lord and 6th lord at beginning > of >> 6th house would be quite difficult, to say the least. >> >> Shortly after her candidacy was announced, I tentatively introduced > a >> 6° Sagittarius ascendant (4:19 am) for her. Then information about >> her " official " but still yet unconfirmed birth times started coming >> out. Have you examined the 4:40 pm time, with 26° Leo rising. The >> Virgo ascendant was the other such time. >> >> Look forward to hear more about your investigations into the Libra >> ascendant. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Thor >> >> SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote: >>> There have been several birth times given for Sarah Palin. None > of >> them >>> give charts which are totally compelling. >>> >>> A Virgo ascendant was given initially but this does not make > sense. >>> 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being combust. >> There >>> would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to this > age. >>> When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is > best >> to >>> start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available >> biographical >>> data. >>> I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is > balancing >> the >>> weakness of combust Mars. >>> >>> Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this. >>> Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it >> immensely. >>> Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive abilities >> and 10L >>> Moon is well placed giving her public prominence. >>> I am still working on the degree. >>> >>> >>> Ron >>> >> >> >> --- >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Professor considers the Virgo ascendent to be more appropriate. DB SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Yes - as long as the planets are within a 5° orb (of conjunction). > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote: > > > > Hi Thor, > > > > Just on a technical point here. Mars is affected by combustion from > Sun > > due to proximity but can we say that it is affected by the Sun as > lord > > of 12H since this is out of sign? > > > > Thanks > > Ron > > > > Cosmologer wrote: > > > Correction in UPPER CASE in the text: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19:36 AM > > > Re: Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > > > > Hello DB, > > > > > > You have a point about 8th lord MARS also being the indicator of > inheritance. There would not be much inheritance, or much controversy > over it and whatever inheritance there came COULD BE SUBJECT TO A > LOSS. However, we should also note that 1st lord MERCURY is strong in > the 5th house and 4th lord JUPITER strongly aspects the 1st house, > both of which would augur well for the longevity. However, as 8th > lord MARS is not only weak in the chart but highly afflicted by the > 12th lord of losses and 6th lord of illness. this placement could > suggest a fatal accident or illness. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt@> > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59:31 AM > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > In this chart, 10L (status) is weak and in 8th. She could not > have > > > become a Governer of a state with this chart. Sun (2L) and sun- > like > > > planet Mercury are both weak. > > > > > > I have doubts that this is her chart. I still have full > confidence > > > in 9:43pm chart although I have not been able to get hold of her > > > birth certificate yet. > > > > > > 8L being weak does not always mean short longevity. It could > also > > > mean no inheritance. > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > >> Dear Thor... > > >> > > >> I think the 4:40 p.m. time for Sara Palin gives the Cancer, not > > > Leo, rising > > >> at 26:13 degrees; using Feb. 11, 1964, Sandpoint, ID; 116W33:08; > > > 48N16:36; > > >> TZ: 8; DST 0. > > >> > > >> This chart can show the prominent rise and conflict over the > past > > > two years > > >> and five months. > > >> > > >> David Hawthorne > > >> > > >> SAMVA [sAMVA ] On > > > Behalf Of > > >> cosmologer > > >> Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:31 AM > > >> SAMVA > > >> Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > >> > > >> Hi Ron, > > >> > > >> Very good point about 8th lord Mars in the Virgo ascendant being > > >> indicative of curtailed longevity. Indeed, the combination of > 12th > > >> lord in end of 5th house, with 8th lord and 6th lord at > beginning > > > of > > >> 6th house would be quite difficult, to say the least. > > >> > > >> Shortly after her candidacy was announced, I tentatively > introduced > > > a > > >> 6° Sagittarius ascendant (4:19 am) for her. Then information > about > > >> her " official " but still yet unconfirmed birth times started > coming > > >> out. Have you examined the 4:40 pm time, with 26° Leo rising. > The > > >> Virgo ascendant was the other such time. > > >> > > >> Look forward to hear more about your investigations into the > Libra > > >> ascendant. > > >> > > >> Best wishes, > > >> > > >> Thor > > >> > > >> SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote: > > >>> There have been several birth times given for Sarah Palin. None > > > of > > >> them > > >>> give charts which are totally compelling. > > >>> > > >>> A Virgo ascendant was given initially but this does not make > > > sense. > > >>> 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being > combust. > > >> There > > >>> would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to this > > > age. > > >>> When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is > > > best > > >> to > > >>> start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available > > >> biographical > > >>> data. > > >>> I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is > > > balancing > > >> the > > >>> weakness of combust Mars. > > >>> > > >>> Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this. > > >>> Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it > > >> immensely. > > >>> Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive > abilities > > >> and 10L > > >>> Moon is well placed giving her public prominence. > > >>> I am still working on the degree. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Ron > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Dear friends, I looked at some transit afflictions involving the combination of three malefics in Sarah Palin's tentative 21° 40' Virgo rising chart (9:43 pm, 11 February 1964, Sandpoint ID) Combination of three malefics: 12th lord SUN at 29° 11' Capricorn/H5 8th lord MARS at 0° 15' Aquarius/H6 6th lord SATURN at 1° 54' Aquarius/H6 The most recent period of significant transit affliction involves transit 6th lord SATURN at 28° Capricorn to 1° Leo, with SATURN going stationary direct in early December 2006 and then going retrograde past 28° Capricorn. This period lasted from around October 10, 2006 to February 6, 2007. After SATURN went direct again it passed more briefly over the opposition point to the stellium in July 2007. An earlier such episode involved transit SATURN going conjunct with these planets from late August 1993 through the end of the year. If the Virgo chart is the correct one for her, there would likely have been some crisis involving conflict at those times, marked by obstacles, endings and losses. Best wishes, Thor cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:48:28 AM Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant - CORRHello DB,The Virgo ascendant chart is is a very interesting - due to diametrically opposite indications as relates to the longevity. It could be consistent with someone who shines in life but who runs some risk of developin a fatal illness or having a fata accident. That said, there is a strong placement for effective divine protection in the life. This chart has, in my view, some possibility of being correct. However, some checking of the transits and periods with events in her life is needed to confirm or reject that hypothesis.While the karma for accident or illness, which could be fatal, is there, there is also the placement of JUPITER, the planet of divine grace, on the most effective point of the 7th house. This placement would suggest her physical wellbeing receives divine protection for some past good deeds, due to its aspect on the 1st house. This protective aspect would make the person very religious and derive great happiness from her close connection with the divine. The aspect could also potentially stave off the very harmful combination of 12th, 6th and 8th lords. In my view, this combination represents a very difficult karma with regard to illness, accident and losses. So, during the periods of the adverse planets and given a stationary affliction of this combination, a bad result could indeed be expected to take place. A test of earlier such transit/period "hits" could be examined to see if her life experienced the expected difficulty at that time or not. If there is little evidence of such a potent karma being aroused at some point in here life, the chart would likely have some other ascendant. Best wishes,Thor SAMVA , "devibhakt" <devibhakt wrote:>> I agree that it could mean illness or accident but that is different > from longevity. Would you not agree?> > DB> > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Correction in UPPER CASE in the text:> > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > SAMVA > > Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19:36 AM> > Re: Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant> > > > > > Hello DB,> > > > You have a point about 8th lord MARS also being the indicator of > inheritance. There would not be much inheritance, or much controversy > over it and whatever inheritance there came COULD BE SUBJECT TO A > LOSS. However, we should also note that 1st lord MERCURY is strong in > the 5th house and 4th lord JUPITER strongly aspects the 1st house, > both of which would augur well for the longevity. However, as 8th > lord MARS is not only weak in the chart but highly afflicted by the > 12th lord of losses and 6th lord of illness. this placement could > suggest a fatal accident or illness. > > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt@>> > SAMVA > > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59:31 AM> > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant> > > > In this chart, 10L (status) is weak and in 8th. She could not have > > become a Governer of a state with this chart. Sun (2L) and sun-> like > > planet Mercury are both weak.> > > > I have doubts that this is her chart. I still have full confidence > > in 9:43pm chart although I have not been able to get hold of her > > birth certificate yet.> > > > 8L being weak does not always mean short longevity. It could also > > mean no inheritance.> > > > DB> > > > > > > > SAMVA , "David Hawthorne" <david@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Thor...> > > > > > I think the 4:40 p.m. time for Sara Palin gives the Cancer, not > > Leo, rising> > > at 26:13 degrees; using Feb. 11, 1964, Sandpoint, ID; 116W33:08; > > 48N16:36;> > > TZ: 8; DST 0. > > > > > > This chart can show the prominent rise and conflict over the past > > two years> > > and five months.> > > > > > David Hawthorne> > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On > > Behalf Of> > > cosmologer> > > Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:31 AM> > > SAMVA > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant> > > > > > Hi Ron,> > > > > > Very good point about 8th lord Mars in the Virgo ascendant being > > > indicative of curtailed longevity. Indeed, the combination of > 12th > > > lord in end of 5th house, with 8th lord and 6th lord at beginning > > of > > > 6th house would be quite difficult, to say the least.> > > > > > Shortly after her candidacy was announced, I tentatively > introduced > > a > > > 6° Sagittarius ascendant (4:19 am) for her. Then information > about > > > her "official" but still yet unconfirmed birth times started > coming > > > out. Have you examined the 4:40 pm time, with 26° Leo rising. The > > > Virgo ascendant was the other such time. > > > > > > Look forward to hear more about your investigations into the > Libra > > > ascendant.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > There have been several birth times given for Sarah Palin. None > > of > > > them > > > > give charts which are totally compelling.> > > > > > > > A Virgo ascendant was given initially but this does not make > > sense.> > > > 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being > combust. > > > There > > > > would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to this > > age.> > > > > > > > When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is > > best > > > to > > > > start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available > > > biographical > > > > data.> > > > I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is > > balancing > > > the > > > > weakness of combust Mars.> > > > > > > > Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this.> > > > Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it > > > immensely.> > > > Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive > abilities > > > and 10L > > > > Moon is well placed giving her public prominence.> > > > I am still working on the degree.> > > > > > > > > > > > Ron> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ---> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Correction: Capricorn should read CANCER SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I looked at some transit afflictions involving the combination of three malefics in Sarah Palin's tentative 21° 40' Virgo rising chart (9:43 pm, 11 February 1964, Sandpoint ID) > > Combination of three malefics: > 12th lord SUN at 29° 11' Capricorn/H5 > 8th lord MARS at 0° 15' Aquarius/H6 > 6th lord SATURN at 1° 54' Aquarius/H6 > > The most recent period of significant transit affliction involves transit 6th lord SATURN at 28° CANCER to 1° Leo, with SATURN going stationary direct in early December 2006 and then going retrograde past 28° CANCER. This period lasted from around October 10, 2006 to February 6, 2007. After SATURN went direct again it passed more briefly over the opposition point to the stellium in July 2007. An earlier such episode involved transit SATURN going conjunct with these planets from late August 1993 through the end of the year. If the Virgo chart is the correct one for her, there would likely have been some crisis involving conflict at those times, marked by obstacles, endings and losses. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Friday, September 19, 2008 11:48:28 AM > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant - CORR > > Hello DB, > > The Virgo ascendant chart is is a very interesting - due to > diametrically opposite indications as relates to the longevity. It > could be consistent with someone who shines in life but who runs some > risk of developin a fatal illness or having a fata accident. That > said, there is a strong placement for effective divine protection in > the life. This chart has, in my view, some possibility of being > correct. However, some checking of the transits and periods with > events in her life is needed to confirm or reject that hypothesis. > > While the karma for accident or illness, which could be fatal, is > there, there is also the placement of JUPITER, the planet of divine > grace, on the most effective point of the 7th house. This placement > would suggest her physical wellbeing receives divine protection for > some past good deeds, due to its aspect on the 1st house. This > protective aspect would make the person very religious and derive > great happiness from her close connection with the divine. The aspect > could also potentially stave off the very harmful combination of > 12th, 6th and 8th lords. In my view, this combination represents a > very difficult karma with regard to illness, accident and losses. So, > during the periods of the adverse planets and given a stationary > affliction of this combination, a bad result could indeed be expected > to take place. A test of earlier such transit/period " hits " could be > examined to see if her life experienced the expected difficulty at > that time or not. If there is little evidence of such a potent karma > being aroused at some point in here life, the chart would likely have > some other ascendant. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > SAMVA , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> wrote: > > > > I agree that it could mean illness or accident but that is > different > > from longevity. Would you not agree? > > > > DB > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Correction in UPPER CASE in the text: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 7:19:36 AM > > > Re: Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > > > > Hello DB, > > > > > > You have a point about 8th lord MARS also being the indicator of > > inheritance. There would not be much inheritance, or much > controversy > > over it and whatever inheritance there came COULD BE SUBJECT TO A > > LOSS. However, we should also note that 1st lord MERCURY is strong > in > > the 5th house and 4th lord JUPITER strongly aspects the 1st house, > > both of which would augur well for the longevity. However, as 8th > > lord MARS is not only weak in the chart but highly afflicted by the > > 12th lord of losses and 6th lord of illness. this placement could > > suggest a fatal accident or illness. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt@> > > > SAMVA > > > Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59:31 AM > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > In this chart, 10L (status) is weak and in 8th. She could not > have > > > become a Governer of a state with this chart. Sun (2L) and sun- > > like > > > planet Mercury are both weak. > > > > > > I have doubts that this is her chart. I still have full > confidence > > > in 9:43pm chart although I have not been able to get hold of her > > > birth certificate yet. > > > > > > 8L being weak does not always mean short longevity. It could > also > > > mean no inheritance. > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Thor... > > > > > > > > I think the 4:40 p.m. time for Sara Palin gives the Cancer, not > > > Leo, rising > > > > at 26:13 degrees; using Feb. 11, 1964, Sandpoint, ID; > 116W33:08; > > > 48N16:36; > > > > TZ: 8; DST 0. > > > > > > > > This chart can show the prominent rise and conflict over the > past > > > two years > > > > and five months. > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > cosmologer > > > > Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:31 AM > > > > SAMVA > > > > Re: Sarah Palin Ascendant > > > > > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > > > > > Very good point about 8th lord Mars in the Virgo ascendant > being > > > > indicative of curtailed longevity. Indeed, the combination of > > 12th > > > > lord in end of 5th house, with 8th lord and 6th lord at > beginning > > > of > > > > 6th house would be quite difficult, to say the least. > > > > > > > > Shortly after her candidacy was announced, I tentatively > > introduced > > > a > > > > 6° Sagittarius ascendant (4:19 am) for her. Then information > > about > > > > her " official " but still yet unconfirmed birth times started > > coming > > > > out. Have you examined the 4:40 pm time, with 26° Leo rising. > The > > > > Virgo ascendant was the other such time. > > > > > > > > Look forward to hear more about your investigations into the > > Libra > > > > ascendant. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , RonDay <ronkar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There have been several birth times given for Sarah Palin. > None > > > of > > > > them > > > > > give charts which are totally compelling. > > > > > > > > > > A Virgo ascendant was given initially but this does not make > > > sense. > > > > > 8L Mars is extremely weak and afflicted as well as being > > combust. > > > > There > > > > > would be a longevity issue and she may not have made it to > this > > > age. > > > > > > > > > > When there are many birth times to choose from, I think it is > > > best > > > > to > > > > > start from scratch and find an ascendant from the available > > > > biographical > > > > > data. > > > > > I think the key to finding the correct ascendant here is > > > balancing > > > > the > > > > > weakness of combust Mars. > > > > > > > > > > Moving the ascendant to Libra achieves this. > > > > > Combust Mars is now conjunct yogakaraka Saturn boosting it > > > > immensely. > > > > > Libra ascendant fits with her sporting and competitive > > abilities > > > > and 10L > > > > > Moon is well placed giving her public prominence. > > > > > I am still working on the degree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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