Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Hello Andrew, The post was aimed at pointing to the prediction, which went in the same direction as the comments of the US Secretary of State. I thought perhaps some list members might find it of interest that her exact words were identical to those used by me to predict for Russia based on this chart. The Bush administration would not say this unless it intended to punish Russia by isolating them. The first step in doing so would be to announce their isolation to the world. The next step would be to expel them from the cooperation in some international bodies, like the OECD, which there are rumors they are planning to do. Again, if you disagree with this assessment, it is fine and there is no need to debate the point as we can simply monitor the developments as per the prediction to see if they help validate the chart, as events so far have. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu <andrewngmm wrote: > > Hi, > > Please don't take this personally. > > With political analysis you cannot rely on a politician's words. You need to look at the actions (facts). Condeleeza Rice can say what she wants but the Germans and the others Europeans are telling her to shut up. Hear what they say but watch what they do. > > Lets take another example of this. The Israelis have been very apologetic to the Russians over their training and other support for Georgian military. They say, hey look, we refused to see them our main battle tank. The Russian foreign minister says, we are aware of that, we appreciate that point, we are good. > > But are they? > > The Russians have just based 10 warships in Syria and from all looks, have reopened their old base... > > Andrew > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > cosmologer <cosmologer > Re: Russia's isolation? > SAMVA > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 AM > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > I was referring to the words of the US Secretary of State. If you or > > others disagree with her assessment, that is fine. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > In the Blog: Union of Russia and Belarus on August 18, 2008, the > > following prediction was made: > > > > > > " The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. > > Moon/KETU period is now operating, since 14 August 2008. This > > suggests Russia may become INCREASINGLY ISOLATED until next year. " > > > http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 08/union- of-russia- and- > > belarus.html > > > > > > Now read the following headline: > > > > > > Rice: Russia becoming isolated, irrelevant > > > September 18, 2008 -- Updated 2306 GMT (0706 HKT > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) – Russia's policies are putting it on a path > > to " ISOLATION AND IRRELEVANCE " , U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza > > Rice said Thursday. > > > http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ POLITICS/ 09/18/rice. russia/index. html > > > > > > This adds further credence to this new chart for Russia. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu <andrewngmm@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Russia's isolation is more talk than reality. Relationships with > > main trading partners remain warm. > > > > > > http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news? > > pid=20601100 & sid=aARlCYABs37M & refer=germany > > > > > > http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news?pid= newsarchive & sid=a70hjIC37sUs > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 I do not perceive myself being being confrontational. All I did was post articles indicating that KEY trade relations between Russia and the key countries of the EU are unaffected by the Georgian war indicating no economic isolation what so ever. I don't think its any skin off your nose IF Russia/Belarus chart does not work. As I said, big deal, just try another date. What's the big deal?Isolation does not mean because Rice says its isolation, isolation is a fact. Outside of empty words, its business as usual for Russia and her trading partners.If chart says Russia will have diplomatic flareups, agreed. But if it is chart says Russia will be economically isolated, nope, facts on the ground don't support it. Even an assertion of diplomatic isolation is very suspect. Only Georgia has cut diplomatic ties with Russia. If it is chart says, Russia will meet with non normal expenses, hey deploying troops in Georgia cost money, again facts support it. Starting up that base in Syria is also going to cost them a pretty penny.As to being ignored, well they were ignored on Kosovo big time... heheheNow, the Ukraine is about to/has realigned itself with Russia. Yes, there is a lot of media postings about how Nato will admit Georgia and the Ukraine but again, that is again TALK because the power players in the Ukraine and saying/doing otherwise. The incumbent Ukrainian President is now a lame duck because the other 2 power centres crippled him and they are smiling at Putin.Does the Russia/Belarus chart indicate anything about that? Gaining new partners, or old partners/allies, etc.Andrew--- On Sun, 9/21/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:cosmologer <cosmologer Re: Russia's isolation?SAMVA Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 12:45 AM Hello Andrew, There is no need to get confrontational even if you disagree. The issue at hand, from the astrology of this chart, which we are testing, is that while the KETU sub-period is operating until early 2009, Russia will endure some pressure in the form of being ignored or isolated, which is the nature of Ketu. Also, as Ketu afflicts MERCURY as 4th lord in the chart such action would be disturbing to the collective harmony and commerce, including foreign trade, as Ketu and Mercury are placed in the 10th house. After this time, the chart suggests things will begin to return to a more natural track for the country. Assuming that the chart is authentic, no one is saying all commerical or diplomatic activities with Russia will cease, only that it will increasingly feel being ignored or left out - even some event to that effect may take place. Keep in mind, that this is only based on the chart. The vocal statement of US Secretary of State and the response of the President of Russia speak volumes about what is going on in the international diplomatic sphere. Your views and news do not overshadow that but do help in offering balance to the assessment. Also, if you really want to get into the astrology of such issues, your contributions to the astrological understanding, or for that matter of any list member, would be appreicated. Just arguing a point, for its own sake, without reference to the underlying astrological inquiry, is not what this discussion list is about. As for the Agreement between Russia and Belarus being identical to the US purchase of Alaska, research on the matter suggests there is a big difference. http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 08/union- of-russia- and- belarus.html Even then, the issue is simply if the chart has predictive merit. So far, developments have seemed to indicate that this indeed is the case. Ultimately, the predictions are the arbiter of the merit of individual charts. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu <andrewngmm@ ...> wrote: > > Stop forcing an interpretation. > If "merger" natal is not be working, big deal. Get another date. > When Alaska merged with the US, should there be a new chart? > > *** > http://news. / story//nm/ 20080920/ ts_nm/russia_ france_dc > Russia, France put aside Georgia war differences > > > > > > > > By Oleg Shchedrov 21 minutes ago > > > > > Russia and France put aside > disagreements over the August war in Georgia in a move to > promote bi-lateral relations, especially in key energy > projects. > > "We will conduct with Russia a direct and tight dialogue of > true partners," French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said, > opening a regular meeting of an inter-government commission in > the Black Sea resort of Sochi. > > The final document of the meeting said the two countries > will focus on developing relations in high tech, energy and > space sectors, including cooperation in developing the Shtokman > gas field and a joint project to launch Soyuz space crafts from > a French launching pad. > > "Differences happen, indeed, but they should be resolved > through a dialogue," he told the gathering of government > officials and businessmen co-chaired by powerful Russian Prime > Minister Vladimir Putin. > > Fillon flew to Sochi at a time when the European Union is > reviewing ties with Russia. The EU condemned Moscow's > intervention in Georgia, launched last month to crush Tbilisi's > attempt to retake two pro-Moscow regions. > > EU members are split over how to handle relations with its > biggest energy supplier and a major trading partner. They > stopped short of imposing sanctions against Russia, but > suspended talks on a new treaty regulating their relations. > > "We wanted this meeting to take place at the original time > because it's very important to strengthen the partnership > between the European Union and Russia, and France and Russia," > Fillon told Putin at their first meeting late on Friday. > > > EU DIFFERENCES > > Fillon's remarks highlighted the differences within the EU > -- some members like France, Germany and Italy, urge caution in > handling Russia, while others, mainly former Soviet satellites > in Eastern Europe, want tougher action. > > Analysts say the new rift with the West over Georgia have > scared investors, adding to Moscow's financial woes in the face > of recent global stock market turmoil. > > Putin said relations with France were not affected by the > Georgian crisis. > > "I believe the events in the Caucasus did not affect our > cooperation in any way," he said. > > Not a single project has been put off or suspended between > France and Russia in the wake of the Georgia conflict. > > French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose country holds the > rotating presidency in the European Union, mediated the deal > which ended the war in Georgia. > > Under it, Russia agreed to withdraw troops from undisputed > Georgian territories in October after 200 EU monitors -- more > than 40 of them from France -- arrive in the Caucasus country. > > Russia, which has recognized the independence of Georgia's > breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, said it will > set up military bases there and told the West to negotiate the > presence of international monitors with their leaders. > > Fillon told Putin at their meeting on Friday that Sarkozy > was satisfied the provisions of the agreement were being > carried out. He said this was a clue to restarting the talks on > a new EU-Russia deal. > > "The EU position is clear: we hope the talks will resume as > soon as provisions of the Medvedev-Sarkozy plan are carried > out," he said. "There are no reasons not to resume talks early > next month." > > > De-blocking talks with EU is important in Russia's attempts > to resist calls by the United States, Georgia's main backer, to > form a united front with the EU to put joint pressure on > Moscow. > > > (Editing by Matthew Jones) > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> > Re: Re: Russia's isolation? > SAMVA > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 5:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > The Russians evidently take the words of US Secretary of State Rice seriously enough to publicly deny them. > > Medvedev: Russia won't be pushed into ISOLATION > September 19, 2008 -- Updated 1332 GMT (2132 HKT) > > Story Highlights > * Medvedev dismissed a claim that Russia was sliding back to authoritarianism > * Condoleezza Rice warned Russia it is on a path to isolation and irrelevance > * Russia accuses NATO of displaying "Cold War reflexes" > > MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- President Dmitry Medvedev said Friday that Russia would not yield to Western pressure or be pushed into isolation over the war in Georgia. > Dmitry Medvedev's remarks reflected a growing strain in Russia's relations with the United States. Medvedev's comments appeared to be a response to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who warned Russia on Thursday that its policies have put it on a path to isolation and irrelevance. Medvedev dismissed a claim that Russia was sliding back to authoritarianism. "They are, in fact, pushing us onto the development track that is based not on normal and civilized cooperation with other countries, but on autonomous development behind thick walls and an 'iron curtain,"' Medvedev said at a meeting with non-governmental organizations. "This is not our track, and it makes no sense to return to the past." In addition, he vowed that Russia would set its own course. "No new outside factors, let alone outside pressure on Russia, will change our strategic course," Medvedev said. "We will continuously strengthen our national security, modernize the military and > increase our defense capability to a sufficient level," he said. "And we will determine what level is sufficient proceeding from the current situation; it can't be measured once and for all." Medvedev reaffirmed his push for a new pan-European security pact, saying NATO alone can't ensure security on the continent. > http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ WORLD/europe/ 09/19/georgia. russia.medvedev. ap/index. html > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer> > SAMVA > Friday, September 19, 2008 8:34:26 PM > Re: Russia's isolation? > > Hello Andrew, > > The post was aimed at pointing to the prediction, which went in the > same direction as the comments of the US Secretary of State. I > thought perhaps some list members might find it of interest that her > exact words were identical to those used by me to predict for Russia > based on this chart. The Bush administration would not say this > unless it intended to punish Russia by isolating them. The first > step in doing so would be to announce their isolation to the world. > The next step would be to expel them from the cooperation in some > international bodies, like the OECD, which there are rumors they are > planning to do. Again, if > you disagree with this assessment, it is > fine and there is no need to debate the point as we can simply > monitor the developments as per the prediction to see if they help > validate the chart, as events so far have. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu <andrewngmm@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Please don't take this personally. > > > > With political analysis you cannot rely on a politician's words. > You need to look at the actions (facts). Condeleeza Rice can say what > she wants but the Germans and the others Europeans are telling her to > shut up. Hear what they say but watch what they do. > > > > Lets take another example of this. The Israelis have been very > apologetic to the Russians over their training and other support for > Georgian military. They > say, hey look, we refused to see them our > main battle tank. The Russian foreign minister says, we are aware of > that, we appreciate that point, we are good. > > > > But are they? > > > > The Russians have just based 10 warships in Syria and from all > looks, have reopened their old base... > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@ ..> wrote: > > cosmologer <cosmologer@ ..> > > Re: Russia's isolation? > > SAMVA > > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > > > > I was referring to the words of the US > Secretary of State. If you > or > > > > others disagree with her assessment, that is fine. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > In the Blog: Union of Russia and Belarus on August 18, 2008, the > > > > following prediction was made: > > > > > > > > > > "The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. > > > > Moon/KETU period is now operating, since 14 August 2008. This > > > > suggests Russia may become INCREASINGLY ISOLATED until next year." > > > > > http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 08/union- of-russia- and- > > > > > belarus.html > > > > > > > > > > Now read the following headline: > > > > > > > > > > Rice: Russia becoming isolated, irrelevant > > > > > September 18, 2008 -- Updated 2306 GMT (0706 HKT > > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) – Russia's policies are putting it on a path > > > > to "ISOLATION AND IRRELEVANCE" , U.S. Secretary of State > Condoleezza > > > > Rice said Thursday. > > > > > http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ POLITICS/ 09/18/rice. russia/index. > html > > > > > > > > > > This adds further credence to this new chart for Russia. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu > <andrewngmm@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Russia's isolation is more talk than reality. Relationships with > > > > main trading partners remain warm. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news? > > > > pid=20601100 & sid=aARlCYABs37M & refer=germany > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news?pid= newsarchive & > sid=a70hjIC37sUs > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Hello Mr Andrew Wu, On this list, proper etiquette is observed. If you are in disagreement with a point by anyone, you may state your position respectfully. Best regards, Vyas Munidas (Co-moderator) - " Andrew Thomas Wu " <andrewngmm <SAMVA > Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:33 PM Re: Re: Russia's isolation? I do not perceive myself being being confrontational. All I did was post articles indicating that KEY trade relations between Russia and the key countries of the EU are unaffected by the Georgian war indicating no economic isolation what so ever. I don't think its any skin off your nose IF Russia/Belarus chart does not work. As I said, big deal, just try another date. What's the big deal? Isolation does not mean because Rice says its isolation, isolation is a fact. Outside of empty words, its business as usual for Russia and her trading partners. If chart says Russia will have diplomatic flareups, agreed. But if it is chart says Russia will be economically isolated, nope, facts on the ground don't support it. Even an assertion of diplomatic isolation is very suspect. Only Georgia has cut diplomatic ties with Russia. If it is chart says, Russia will meet with non normal expenses, hey deploying troops in Georgia cost money, again facts support it. Starting up that base in Syria is also going to cost them a pretty penny. As to being ignored, well they were ignored on Kosovo big time... hehehe Now, the Ukraine is about to/has realigned itself with Russia. Yes, there is a lot of media postings about how Nato will admit Georgia and the Ukraine but again, that is again TALK because the power players in the Ukraine and saying/doing otherwise. The incumbent Ukrainian President is now a lame duck because the other 2 power centres crippled him and they are smiling at Putin. Does the Russia/Belarus chart indicate anything about that? Gaining new partners, or old partners/allies, etc. Andrew --- On Sun, 9/21/08, cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: cosmologer <cosmologer Re: Russia's isolation? SAMVA Sunday, September 21, 2008, 12:45 AM Hello Andrew, There is no need to get confrontational even if you disagree. The issue at hand, from the astrology of this chart, which we are testing, is that while the KETU sub-period is operating until early 2009, Russia will endure some pressure in the form of being ignored or isolated, which is the nature of Ketu. Also, as Ketu afflicts MERCURY as 4th lord in the chart such action would be disturbing to the collective harmony and commerce, including foreign trade, as Ketu and Mercury are placed in the 10th house. After this time, the chart suggests things will begin to return to a more natural track for the country. Assuming that the chart is authentic, no one is saying all commerical or diplomatic activities with Russia will cease, only that it will increasingly feel being ignored or left out - even some event to that effect may take place. Keep in mind, that this is only based on the chart. The vocal statement of US Secretary of State and the response of the President of Russia speak volumes about what is going on in the international diplomatic sphere. Your views and news do not overshadow that but do help in offering balance to the assessment. Also, if you really want to get into the astrology of such issues, your contributions to the astrological understanding, or for that matter of any list member, would be appreicated. Just arguing a point, for its own sake, without reference to the underlying astrological inquiry, is not what this discussion list is about. As for the Agreement between Russia and Belarus being identical to the US purchase of Alaska, research on the matter suggests there is a big difference. http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 08/union- of-russia- and- belarus.html Even then, the issue is simply if the chart has predictive merit. So far, developments have seemed to indicate that this indeed is the case. Ultimately, the predictions are the arbiter of the merit of individual charts. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu <andrewngmm@ ...> wrote: > > Stop forcing an interpretation. > If " merger " natal is not be working, big deal. Get another date. > When Alaska merged with the US, should there be a new chart? > > *** > http://news. / story//nm/ 20080920/ ts_nm/russia_ france_dc > Russia, France put aside Georgia war differences > > > > > > > > By Oleg Shchedrov 21 minutes ago > > > > > Russia and France put aside > disagreements over the August war in Georgia in a move to > promote bi-lateral relations, especially in key energy > projects. > > " We will conduct with Russia a direct and tight dialogue of > true partners, " French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said, > opening a regular meeting of an inter-government commission in > the Black Sea resort of Sochi. > > The final document of the meeting said the two countries > will focus on developing relations in high tech, energy and > space sectors, including cooperation in developing the Shtokman > gas field and a joint project to launch Soyuz space crafts from > a French launching pad. > > " Differences happen, indeed, but they should be resolved > through a dialogue, " he told the gathering of government > officials and businessmen co-chaired by powerful Russian Prime > Minister Vladimir Putin. > > Fillon flew to Sochi at a time when the European Union is > reviewing ties with Russia. The EU condemned Moscow's > intervention in Georgia, launched last month to crush Tbilisi's > attempt to retake two pro-Moscow regions. > > EU members are split over how to handle relations with its > biggest energy supplier and a major trading partner. They > stopped short of imposing sanctions against Russia, but > suspended talks on a new treaty regulating their relations. > > " We wanted this meeting to take place at the original time > because it's very important to strengthen the partnership > between the European Union and Russia, and France and Russia, " > Fillon told Putin at their first meeting late on Friday. > > > EU DIFFERENCES > > Fillon's remarks highlighted the differences within the EU > -- some members like France, Germany and Italy, urge caution in > handling Russia, while others, mainly former Soviet satellites > in Eastern Europe, want tougher action. > > Analysts say the new rift with the West over Georgia have > scared investors, adding to Moscow's financial woes in the face > of recent global stock market turmoil. > > Putin said relations with France were not affected by the > Georgian crisis. > > " I believe the events in the Caucasus did not affect our > cooperation in any way, " he said. > > Not a single project has been put off or suspended between > France and Russia in the wake of the Georgia conflict. > > French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose country holds the > rotating presidency in the European Union, mediated the deal > which ended the war in Georgia. > > Under it, Russia agreed to withdraw troops from undisputed > Georgian territories in October after 200 EU monitors -- more > than 40 of them from France -- arrive in the Caucasus country. > > Russia, which has recognized the independence of Georgia's > breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, said it will > set up military bases there and told the West to negotiate the > presence of international monitors with their leaders. > > Fillon told Putin at their meeting on Friday that Sarkozy > was satisfied the provisions of the agreement were being > carried out. He said this was a clue to restarting the talks on > a new EU-Russia deal. > > " The EU position is clear: we hope the talks will resume as > soon as provisions of the Medvedev-Sarkozy plan are carried > out, " he said. " There are no reasons not to resume talks early > next month. " > > > De-blocking talks with EU is important in Russia's attempts > to resist calls by the United States, Georgia's main backer, to > form a united front with the EU to put joint pressure on > Moscow. > > > (Editing by Matthew Jones) > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> > Re: Re: Russia's isolation? > SAMVA > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 5:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > The Russians evidently take the words of US Secretary of State Rice seriously enough to publicly deny them. > > Medvedev: Russia won't be pushed into ISOLATION > September 19, 2008 -- Updated 1332 GMT (2132 HKT) > > Story Highlights > * Medvedev dismissed a claim that Russia was sliding back to authoritarianism > * Condoleezza Rice warned Russia it is on a path to isolation and irrelevance > * Russia accuses NATO of displaying " Cold War reflexes " > > MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- President Dmitry Medvedev said Friday that Russia would not yield to Western pressure or be pushed into isolation over the war in Georgia. > Dmitry Medvedev's remarks reflected a growing strain in Russia's relations with the United States. Medvedev's comments appeared to be a response to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who warned Russia on Thursday that its policies have put it on a path to isolation and irrelevance. Medvedev dismissed a claim that Russia was sliding back to authoritarianism. " They are, in fact, pushing us onto the development track that is based not on normal and civilized cooperation with other countries, but on autonomous development behind thick walls and an 'iron curtain, " ' Medvedev said at a meeting with non-governmental organizations. " This is not our track, and it makes no sense to return to the past. " In addition, he vowed that Russia would set its own course. " No new outside factors, let alone outside pressure on Russia, will change our strategic course, " Medvedev said. " We will continuously strengthen our national security, modernize the military and > increase our defense capability to a sufficient level, " he said. " And we will determine what level is sufficient proceeding from the current situation; it can't be measured once and for all. " Medvedev reaffirmed his push for a new pan-European security pact, saying NATO alone can't ensure security on the continent. > http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ WORLD/europe/ 09/19/georgia. russia.medvedev. ap/index. html > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer> > SAMVA > Friday, September 19, 2008 8:34:26 PM > Re: Russia's isolation? > > Hello Andrew, > > The post was aimed at pointing to the prediction, which went in the > same direction as the comments of the US Secretary of State. I > thought perhaps some list members might find it of interest that her > exact words were identical to those used by me to predict for Russia > based on this chart. The Bush administration would not say this > unless it intended to punish Russia by isolating them. The first > step in doing so would be to announce their isolation to the world. > The next step would be to expel them from the cooperation in some > international bodies, like the OECD, which there are rumors they are > planning to do. Again, if > you disagree with this assessment, it is > fine and there is no need to debate the point as we can simply > monitor the developments as per the prediction to see if they help > validate the chart, as events so far have. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu <andrewngmm@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Please don't take this personally. > > > > With political analysis you cannot rely on a politician's words. > You need to look at the actions (facts). Condeleeza Rice can say what > she wants but the Germans and the others Europeans are telling her to > shut up. Hear what they say but watch what they do. > > > > Lets take another example of this. The Israelis have been very > apologetic to the Russians over their training and other support for > Georgian military. They > say, hey look, we refused to see them our > main battle tank. The Russian foreign minister says, we are aware of > that, we appreciate that point, we are good. > > > > But are they? > > > > The Russians have just based 10 warships in Syria and from all > looks, have reopened their old base... > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/20/08, cosmologer <cosmologer@ ..> wrote: > > cosmologer <cosmologer@ ..> > > Re: Russia's isolation? > > SAMVA > > Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > > > > I was referring to the words of the US > Secretary of State. If you > or > > > > others disagree with her assessment, that is fine. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > In the Blog: Union of Russia and Belarus on August 18, 2008, the > > > > following prediction was made: > > > > > > > > > > " The present crisis with the USA is clearly seen in this chart. > > > > Moon/KETU period is now operating, since 14 August 2008. This > > > > suggests Russia may become INCREASINGLY ISOLATED until next year. " > > > > > http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 08/union- of-russia- and- > > > > > belarus.html > > > > > > > > > > Now read the following headline: > > > > > > > > > > Rice: Russia becoming isolated, irrelevant > > > > > September 18, 2008 -- Updated 2306 GMT (0706 HKT > > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) – Russia's policies are putting it on a path > > > > to " ISOLATION AND IRRELEVANCE " , U.S. Secretary of State > Condoleezza > > > > Rice said Thursday. > > > > > http://edition. cnn.com/2008/ POLITICS/ 09/18/rice. russia/index. > html > > > > > > > > > > This adds further credence to this new chart for Russia. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , Andrew Thomas Wu > <andrewngmm@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Russia's isolation is more talk than reality. Relationships with > > > > main trading partners remain warm. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news? > > > > pid=20601100 & sid=aARlCYABs37M & refer=germany > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bloomber g.com/apps/ news?pid= newsarchive & > sid=a70hjIC37sUs > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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