Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Dear friends, There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear.John McCainAugust 29, 19366:25 PMColon, Panama I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hello Thor, An Aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the ascendant doesn’t quite fit the bill for John McCain. Change the 6.25pm to 6.25am and this looks more like him. This now gives a Leo ascendant with Sun close to the ascendant. This is a very fitting placement based on temperament, strong ego, power, ambition, drive , impatience and aggression. McCain has been described as a hot head. He is the boss, the king not the airy Aquarian. The Aquarius ascendant with Sa gives more vata in relation to pitta in the constitution. The Sun is aspecting the ascendant so pitta can still be strong(but secondary) but a Leo ascendant with Sun decidedly moves the balance in favour of Pitta. So his constitution would be Pitta/Vata. Some other factors favouring Leo ascendant as follows--- 1.Two " am " times have been given by his mother already so there is a big chance that the time is actually in the morning. 3. The Leo ascendant chart is generally stronger. It takes Me and Ve out of the 8H. Me is then well placed in 2H and Ve is in the ascendant in Leo. 4. Venus changes signs on the day of birth. Approx. 12.30 pm(lahiri) It moves to its debilitation sign of Virgo in mitra avasta. It is better placed in late Leo than early Virgo. 5. For a Leo ascendant Sa is in the 7H. This can give a large age difference in relation to the partner. His second wife is much younger. In summary a possible transcription error may have happened and a birth time around 6.25 am seems more feasible. Ron Cosmologer wrote: > Dear friends, > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > John McCain > August 29, 1936 > 6:25 PM > Colon, Panama > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hello Ron, A Leo looks just as plausible. Having said that, this is getting somewhat confusing with McCain. Would a 6:25 am time fit what his mother has remembered that she "woke up in the morning" and said "I think this baby is coming". The trip to the hospital and then to give birth could have taken a few hours. In this case, they could have woken up around 4 am, which is during the night. As for Saturn in the Aquarius ascendant, his powerfully placed Sun on the 7th house MEP would aspect exactly and powerfully influence the ascendant, giving a Leo type countenance and nature for the otherwise Saturn type. That said, a thorough study of the charts in question and predictions would be needed to settle the matter. It would be interesting to consider his chances with either the am or pm birth for 6.25 hrs. Best wishes, Thor RonDay <ronkarSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 12:14:40 AMRe: New birth data on John McCainHello Thor,An Aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the ascendant doesn¢t quite fit the bill for John McCain. Change the 6.25pm to 6.25am and this looks more like him.This now gives a Leo ascendant with Sun close to the ascendant. This is a very fitting placement based on temperament, strong ego, power, ambition, drive , impatience and aggression. McCain has been described as a hot head. He is the boss, the king not the airy Aquarian.The Aquarius ascendant with Sa gives more vata in relation to pitta in the constitution. The Sun is aspecting the ascendant so pitta can still be strong(but secondary) but a Leo ascendant with Sun decidedly moves the balance in favour of Pitta. So his constitution would be Pitta/Vata.Some other factors favouring Leo ascendant as follows---1.Two "am" times have been given by his mother already so there is a big chance that the time is actually in the morning.3. The Leo ascendant chart is generally stronger. It takes Me and Ve out of the 8H. Me is then well placed in 2H and Ve is in the ascendant in Leo.4. Venus changes signs on the day of birth. Approx. 12.30 pm(lahiri)It moves to its debilitation sign of Virgo in mitra avasta. It is better placed in late Leo than early Virgo.5. For a Leo ascendant Sa is in the 7H. This can give a large age difference in relation to the partner. His second wife is much younger.In summary a possible transcription error may have happened and a birth time around 6.25 am seems more feasible.RonCosmologer wrote:> Dear friends,> > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145> > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear.> > John McCain> August 29, 1936> 6:25 PM> Colon, Panama> > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > > > ------> --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Interesting ideas Ron. This would place the Moon in the sixth which would also explain his fighting nature and lack of forbearance or patience, hot headed in other words.The ninth lord in the twelfth would have given him extra luck in being released from prison. The lord of the twelfth in the sixth could account for the trouble in isolation. Sally On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 2:14 PM, RonDay <ronkar wrote: Hello Thor, An Aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the ascendant doesn't quite fit the bill for John McCain. Change the 6.25pm to 6.25am and this looks more like him. This now gives a Leo ascendant with Sun close to the ascendant. This is a very fitting placement based on temperament, strong ego, power, ambition, drive , impatience and aggression. McCain has been described as a hot head. He is the boss, the king not the airy Aquarian. The Aquarius ascendant with Sa gives more vata in relation to pitta in the constitution. The Sun is aspecting the ascendant so pitta can still be strong(but secondary) but a Leo ascendant with Sun decidedly moves the balance in favour of Pitta. So his constitution would be Pitta/Vata. Some other factors favouring Leo ascendant as follows--- 1.Two " am " times have been given by his mother already so there is a big chance that the time is actually in the morning. 3. The Leo ascendant chart is generally stronger. It takes Me and Ve out of the 8H. Me is then well placed in 2H and Ve is in the ascendant in Leo. 4. Venus changes signs on the day of birth. Approx. 12.30 pm(lahiri) It moves to its debilitation sign of Virgo in mitra avasta. It is better placed in late Leo than early Virgo. 5. For a Leo ascendant Sa is in the 7H. This can give a large age difference in relation to the partner. His second wife is much younger. In summary a possible transcription error may have happened and a birth time around 6.25 am seems more feasible. Ron Cosmologer wrote: > Dear friends, > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > John McCain > August 29, 1936 > 6:25 PM > Colon, Panama > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > > ------ > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Dear friends, The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the candidates for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome of the election difficult if not futile. New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in error concerning her memory that his birth took place in the morning. This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In any event, the public records show that he was born in the early evening, at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus period was operating (see attached files). To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not win the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which has lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would come with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. He divorced from his first wife. On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th house will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential election. As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be suited to the top job. Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of the leading candidate Obama. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM New birth data on John McCain Dear friends, There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear.John McCainAugust 29, 19366:25 PMColon, Panama I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Dear friends, Please be advised that I have taken down the articles on my blog (cosmologer.blogspot.com) concerning the Presidential election as they were based on the wrong birth information for the candidates. In particular, the article " Madame President! " in June 2008 was based on wrong data for McCain and Obama and the article " Obama/McCain? " in July 2008 was based on wrong data for McCain. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the candidates for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome of the election difficult if not futile. > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in error concerning her memory that his birth took place in the morning. This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In any event, the public records show that he was born in the early evening, at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus period was operating (see attached files). > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not win the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which has lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would come with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. He divorced from his first wife. > > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th house will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential election. As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be suited to the top job. > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of the leading candidate Obama. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > samva > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM > New birth data on John McCain > > > Dear friends, > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > John McCain > August 29, 1936 > 6:25 PM > Colon, Panama > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Dear friends, The headline on DrudgeReport.com is as follows: GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two- point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll's margin of error... Developing... As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given the natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has 1st lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN is in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN would likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. Even if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys the aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the gun with my assessment earlier today. I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius rising chart and the chances it suggest he may have. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the candidates for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome of the election difficult if not futile. > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in error concerning her memory that his birth took place in the morning. This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In any event, the public records show that he was born in the early evening, at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus period was operating (see attached files). > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not win the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which has lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would come with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. He divorced from his first wife. > > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th house will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential election. As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be suited to the top job. > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of the leading candidate Obama. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer > samva > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM > New birth data on John McCain > > > Dear friends, > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > John McCain > August 29, 1936 > 6:25 PM > Colon, Panama > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hello my dear Thor and list members, The influence of the Sun in the chart with new birth data, placement of Saturn in the ascendant, placement of Jupiter in the tenth house, exaltation of Mercury the current sub period lord and transit of Saturn and Jupiter keep his chance alive for winning in a close contest. The close influence of Rahu and Ketu on his natal Mars poses a little challenge. This chart appears to be responsive to his status. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Friday, October 17, 2008 3:15 AM Re: New birth data on John McCain Dear friends,The headline on DrudgeReport.com is as follows: GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll's margin of error... Developing... As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given the natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has 1st lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN is in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN would likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. Even if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys the aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the gun with my assessment earlier today.I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius rising chart and the chances it suggest he may have.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear friends,> > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the candidates for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome of the election difficult if not futile. > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in error concerning her memory that his birth took place in the morning. This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In any event, the public records show that he was born in the early evening, at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus period was operating (see attached files). > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not win the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which has lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would come with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. He divorced from his first wife.> > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th house will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential election. As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be suited to the top job. > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of the leading candidate Obama.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer> samva > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM> New birth data on John McCain> > > Dear friends,> > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145> > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear.> > John McCain> August 29, 1936> 6:25 PM> Colon, Panama> > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Thor Natal Sa may be more helpful than depicted considering that it is a Shasya yoga (Sa in its own sign or in exaltation, and in a kendra house - powerful, strict, position of authoritya). Ben SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The headline on DrudgeReport.com is as follows: > > GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS > GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two- > point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within > poll's margin of error... Developing... > > As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John > McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. > However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given the > natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his > strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has 1st > lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN is > in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN would > likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord > VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. Even > if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys the > aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the gun > with my assessment earlier today. > > I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius rising > chart and the chances it suggest he may have. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the candidates > for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome of > the election difficult if not futile. > > > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in > error concerning her memory that his birth took place in the morning. > This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In any > event, the public records show that he was born in the early evening, > at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent > with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus period > was operating (see attached files). > > > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not win > the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which has > lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential > candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would come > with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th > house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house > indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which > suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. > He divorced from his first wife. > > > > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th house > will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be > conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes > will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent > with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential election. > As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is > falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate > with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his > favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require > something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor > Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be > suited to the top job. > > > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult > effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the > accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of > the leading candidate Obama. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > samva > > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM > > New birth data on John McCain > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late > afternoon/early evening. > > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > > > John McCain > > August 29, 1936 > > 6:25 PM > > Colon, Panama > > > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth > as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° > Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house > MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy > wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events > of his life. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 My dear , Thank you very much for the thoughtful and helpful reply. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello my dear Thor and list members, > > The influence of the Sun in the chart with new birth data, placement of Saturn in the ascendant, placement of Jupiter in the tenth house, exaltation of Mercury the current sub period lord and transit of Saturn and Jupiter keep his chance alive for winning in a close contest. > > The close influence of Rahu and Ketu on his natal Mars poses a little challenge. > > This chart appears to be responsive to his status. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Friday, October 17, 2008 3:15 AM > Re: New birth data on John McCain > > > Dear friends, > > The headline on DrudgeReport.com is as follows: > > GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS > GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two- > point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within > poll's margin of error... Developing... > > As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John > McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. > However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given the > natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his > strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has 1st > lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN is > in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN would > likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord > VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. Even > if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys the > aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the gun > with my assessment earlier today. > > I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius rising > chart and the chances it suggest he may have. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the candidates > for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome of > the election difficult if not futile. > > > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in > error concerning her memory that his birth took place in the morning. > This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In any > event, the public records show that he was born in the early evening, > at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent > with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus period > was operating (see attached files). > > > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not win > the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which has > lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential > candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would come > with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th > house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house > indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which > suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. > He divorced from his first wife. > > > > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th house > will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be > conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes > will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent > with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential election. > As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is > falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate > with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his > favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require > something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor > Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be > suited to the top job. > > > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult > effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the > accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of > the leading candidate Obama. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > samva > > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM > > New birth data on John McCain > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late > afternoon/early evening. > > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > > > John McCain > > August 29, 1936 > > 6:25 PM > > Colon, Panama > > > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth > as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° > Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house > MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy > wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events > of his life. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Dear Ben, Thanks for the insight. Concepts attaching importance to " placement in kendra house " etc. are not part of SA but some of the influences described in " Shasya yoga " could be there, but to a lesser extent than would be the case if Saturn were in the most effective point of the 1st house (8° - 18° Aquarius). Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " searchbutton " <searchbutton wrote: > > Dear Thor > > Natal Sa may be more helpful than depicted considering that it is a > Shasya yoga (Sa in its own sign or in exaltation, and in a kendra > house - powerful, strict, position of authoritya). > > Ben > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The headline on DrudgeReport.com is as follows: > > > > GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS > > GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two- > > point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within > > poll's margin of error... Developing... > > > > As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John > > McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. > > However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given > the > > natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his > > strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has 1st > > lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN is > > in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN > would > > likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord > > VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. > Even > > if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys > the > > aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the gun > > with my assessment earlier today. > > > > I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius > rising > > chart and the chances it suggest he may have. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the > candidates > > for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome > of > > the election difficult if not futile. > > > > > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in > > error concerning her memory that his birth took place in > the morning. > > This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In > any > > event, the public records show that he was born in the early > evening, > > at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > > > > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent > > with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus > period > > was operating (see attached files). > > > > > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not > win > > the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which > has > > lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential > > candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would > come > > with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th > > house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house > > indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which > > suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. > > He divorced from his first wife. > > > > > > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th > house > > will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be > > conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes > > will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > > > > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent > > with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential > election. > > As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is > > falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate > > with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his > > favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require > > something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > > > > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor > > Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be > > suited to the top job. > > > > > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult > > effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the > > accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of > > the leading candidate Obama. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > samva > > > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM > > > New birth data on John McCain > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late > > afternoon/early evening. > > > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > > > > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > > > > > John McCain > > > August 29, 1936 > > > 6:25 PM > > > Colon, Panama > > > > > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning > birth > > as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° > > Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house > > MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy > > wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > > > > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known > events > > of his life. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hello my dear Thor Just one remark : in Self Learning Course (2004 edition), page 40, says (§ Nomenclature of houses) : "Planets in angles tend to be more strong and active. Angular houses are similar in character to moveable signs. They give power for accomplishment and achievement". Best Wishes Jo - "cosmologer" <cosmologer <SAMVA > Friday, October 17, 2008 2:40 AM Re: New birth data on John McCain Dear Ben,Thanks for the insight. Concepts attaching importance to "placement in kendra house" etc. are not part of SA but some of the influences described in "Shasya yoga" could be there, but to a lesser extent than would be the case if Saturn were in the most effective point of the 1st house (8° - 18° Aquarius). Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "searchbutton" <searchbutton wrote:>> Dear Thor> > Natal Sa may be more helpful than depicted considering that it is a > Shasya yoga (Sa in its own sign or in exaltation, and in a kendra > house - powerful, strict, position of authoritya).> > Ben > > SAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> > > > The headline on DrudgeReport.com is as follows: > > > > GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS > > GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two-> > point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within > > poll's margin of error... Developing... > > > > As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John > > McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. > > However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given > the > > natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his > > strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has 1st > > lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN is > > in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN > would > > likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord > > VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. > Even > > if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys > the > > aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the gun > > with my assessment earlier today.> > > > I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius > rising > > chart and the chances it suggest he may have.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > > > > > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the > candidates > > for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome > of > > the election difficult if not futile. > > > > > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in > > error concerning her memory that his birth took place in > the morning. > > This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In > any > > event, the public records show that he was born in the early > evening, > > at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > > > > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent > > with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus > period > > was operating (see attached files). > > > > > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not > win > > the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which > has > > lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential > > candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would > come > > with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th > > house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house > > indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which > > suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. > > He divorced from his first wife.> > > > > > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th > house > > will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be > > conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes > > will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > > > > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent > > with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential > election. > > As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is > > falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate > > with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his > > favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require > > something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > > > > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor > > Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be > > suited to the top job. > > > > > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult > > effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the > > accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of > > the leading candidate Obama.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > > samva > > > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM> > > New birth data on John McCain> > > > > > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late > > afternoon/early evening. > > > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145> > > > > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear.> > > > > > John McCain> > > August 29, 1936> > > 6:25 PM> > > Colon, Panama> > > > > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning > birth > > as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° > > Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house > > MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy > > wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > > > > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known > events > > of his life.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > Thor> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hello my dear Jo, Ben and list members, Thanks for the correction. Indeed, the " kendra house " idea is there. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " Jo Cohen " <cohen.jo wrote: > > Hello my dear Thor > > Just one remark : in Self Learning Course (2004 edition), page 40, says (§ Nomenclature of houses) : " Planets in angles tend to be more strong and active. Angular houses are similar in character to moveable signs. They give power for accomplishment and achievement " . > > Best Wishes > > Jo > > - > " cosmologer " <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Friday, October 17, 2008 2:40 AM > Re: New birth data on John McCain > > > Dear Ben, > > Thanks for the insight. > > Concepts attaching importance to " placement in kendra house " etc. are > not part of SA but some of the influences described in " Shasya yoga " > could be there, but to a lesser extent than would be the case if > Saturn were in the most effective point of the 1st house (8° - 18° > Aquarius). > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , " searchbutton " <searchbutton@> wrote: > > > > Dear Thor > > > > Natal Sa may be more helpful than depicted considering that it is a > > Shasya yoga (Sa in its own sign or in exaltation, and in a kendra > > house - powerful, strict, position of authoritya). > > > > Ben > > > > SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > The headline on DrudgeReport.com is as follows: > > > > > > GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS > > > GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two- > > > point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is > within > > > poll's margin of error... Developing... > > > > > > As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John > > > McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. > > > However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given > > the > > > natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his > > > strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has > 1st > > > lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN > is > > > in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN > > would > > > likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord > > > VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. > > Even > > > if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys > > the > > > aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the > gun > > > with my assessment earlier today. > > > > > > I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius > > rising > > > chart and the chances it suggest he may have. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the > > candidates > > > for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome > > of > > > the election difficult if not futile. > > > > > > > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was > in > > > error concerning her memory that his birth took place in > > the morning. > > > This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In > > any > > > event, the public records show that he was born in the early > > evening, > > > at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > > > > > > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent > > > with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus > > period > > > was operating (see attached files). > > > > > > > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not > > win > > > the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which > > has > > > lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential > > > candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would > > come > > > with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the > 8th > > > house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house > > > indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, > which > > > suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. > > > He divorced from his first wife. > > > > > > > > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th > > house > > > will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be > > > conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit > nodes > > > will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th > house. > > > > > > > > The difficult period and transits on election day are > consistent > > > with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential > > election. > > > As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is > > > falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate > > > with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in > his > > > favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require > > > something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > > > > > > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor > > > Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be > > > suited to the top job. > > > > > > > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult > > > effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the > > > accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart > of > > > the leading candidate Obama. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@> > > > > samva > > > > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM > > > > New birth data on John McCain > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late > > > afternoon/early evening. > > > > http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=145 > > > > > > > > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear. > > > > > > > > John McCain > > > > August 29, 1936 > > > > 6:25 PM > > > > Colon, Panama > > > > > > > > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning > > birth > > > as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° > > > Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house > > > MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a > wealthy > > > wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > > > > > > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known > > events > > > of his life. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2008 Report Share Posted October 24, 2008 My dear Professor and list members, Apparently, the poll that proved most accurate in the 2004 elections is showing a rapid narrowing in the support for Obama and McCain: http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Polls.aspx?id=309635713550536 It looks set to be a tight race. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:54:39 PMRe: Re: New birth data on John McCain Hello my dear Thor and list members, The influence of the Sun in the chart with new birth data, placement of Saturn in the ascendant, placement of Jupiter in the tenth house, exaltation of Mercury the current sub period lord and transit of Saturn and Jupiter keep his chance alive for winning in a close contest. The close influence of Rahu and Ketu on his natal Mars poses a little challenge. This chart appears to be responsive to his status. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Friday, October 17, 2008 3:15 AM Re: New birth data on John McCain Dear friends,The headline on DrudgeReport. com is as follows: GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS GALLUP's 'traditional' likely voter model shows Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain on Thursday, 49% to 47%, this is within poll's margin of error... Developing.. . As I mentioned earlier, the period and transit influences in John McCain's tentative 13° Aquarius rising chart are quite adverse. However, I am not completely sure of his electoral chances given the natal strengths in his chart, especially the conjunction of his strong 7th lord SUN with the MEP of the 7th house. He also has 1st lord SATURN well placed in the 1st house. Moreover, while SATURN is in old age, the aspect of SUN to the 1st house owned by SATURN would likely be helpful to it. Moreover, as 3rd lord MARS and 9th lord VENUS rule sun-like houses, they obtain additional 25% strength. Even if VENUS is in extreme infancy and badly placed, it still enjoys the aspect of 1st lord SATURN. Frankly, it is possible I jumped the gun with my assessment earlier today.I'd be interested in other members views on McCain's Aquarius rising chart and the chances it suggest he may have.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends,> > The difficulty with obtaining birth information for the candidates for the President of the USA makes efforts to predict the outcome of the election difficult if not futile. > > New birth information for John McCain suggests his mother was in error concerning her memory that his birth took place in the morning. This may be understandable as it took place over 70 years ago! In any event, the public records show that he was born in the early evening, at 6:25 pm giving 13° 05' Aquarius rising. > > The Aquarius rising chart appears to be consistent with two dramatic events in his life in 1967, when Rahu/Venus period was operating (see attached files). > > To my mind, the Aquarius rising chart also suggests he will not win the election. Even if he has a tremendous Sun in his chart, which has lifted him to the elevated position of Senator and Presidential candidate, the Mercury/Mercury period is operating and it would come with problems. Natally 8th lord MERCURY is badly placed in the 8th house. While this placement would be good for his 8th house indications, MERCURY at the same time afflicts his 2nd house, which suggests obstacles and endings for his status and family life. He divorced from his first wife.> > On election day, McCain's transit 8th lord MERCURY in the 9th house will be afflicted by natal KETU and transit 6th lord MOON will be conjunct natal MOON in the 12th house of losses. The transit nodes will be exactly conjunct his natal 3rd lord MARS in the 6th house. > > The difficult period and transits on election day are consistent with the prospects for John McCain to win the Presidential election. As it stands today, his prospects looks quite bleak. McCain is falling back in the oppinion polls and his third and final debate with Barack Obama last night did not appear to turn the tide in his favour. With around three weeks to election day it would require something of a miracle to turn the tide in his favour. > > At the same time, we can keep in mind the insight of Professor Choudhry that the chart of Barack Obama suggests he would not be suited to the top job. > > Predicting this election outcome has been a difficult effort indeed. This is due to the problems with getting the accurate birth information but also the somewhat marginal chart of the leading candidate Obama.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > > > > Cosmologer <cosmologer@ ...>> samva > Monday, October 13, 2008 9:38:01 PM> New birth data on John McCain> > > Dear friends,> > There is new information that John McCain was born in the late afternoon/early evening. > http://johnmccain. dominates. us/forum/ viewtopic. php?f=12 & t=145> > McCain Certificate 2 - 1936.pdf is pretty clear.> > John McCain> August 29, 1936> 6:25 PM> Colon, Panama> > I don't know if this is credible as it contradict the morning birth as told by his mother, but astrologically this chart gives 13° Aquarius rising with 7th lord SUN at 13° Leo exactly on 7th house MEP. This chart would explain powerful father and family, a wealthy wife and political power - which sounds plausible. > > But more study is needed to see if it matches with the known events of his life.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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