Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 All, The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear DBYou should not forget that every astrologer is human, including Professor and Thor. You should allow them to be wrong once in in a while. SA also does not give correct results every time. But it is still better than other methods.Raj Chadha--- On Wed, 11/5/08, devibhakt <devibhakt wrote:devibhakt <devibhakt US Presidential Election ResultsSAMVA Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 5:55 AM All, The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Raj, The abscence of rectified charts for the candidates are lacking. It is incorrect to lay fault to SA or its practitioners here. One may put forth a view based on what's available or what is suspected. My first rule in mundane astrology, start with the right chart. This has been my reason for not venturing a view on this election outcome. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech <SAMVA > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:11 PM Re: US Presidential Election Results Dear DB You should not forget that every astrologer is human, including Professor and Thor. You should allow them to be wrong once in in a while. SA also does not give correct results every time. But it is still better than other methods. Raj Chadha --- On Wed, 11/5/08, devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: devibhakt <devibhakt US Presidential Election Results SAMVA Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 5:55 AM All, The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Hello DB, No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory. Best wishes. - devibhakt SAMVA Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM US Presidential Election Results All,The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both?DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 My dear , Thank you again. This would be the other option, now that he has indeed won the election. This raises the issue of what ascendant would be possible/likely for him. The nearast ascendant to the time on the birth certificate would be Aquarius, based on a later time. An earlier time would give Sagittarius, which are noted for their pleasant personality. As Vyas has suggested, the effort shoiuld now be to rectify the chart for him, given his importance to the future US and global developments.. Best wishes, Thor. SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello DB, > > No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > devibhakt > SAMVA > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM > US Presidential Election Results > > > All, > > The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain > would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning > purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at > the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our > understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? > > DB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, To me Sagittarius asdt seems a good possibility. In this chart the lord of third house is placed in the second house ruling status. He has been a good communicator. The lord of the asdt is also in the second house and it is in mutual aspect with Mercury ruling the tenth house. Venus is strongly placed in the seventh house. It also gives success to the person in dealing with masses. There are five planets which are around eight degrees in the chart. If we have this degree in the ascendant, the planets play pertinent influences. The lord of the eighth house acting as Rahu and influencing the twelfth house also indicates use of intoxicating agents. So, Sagittarius ascendant can be seen for further details. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:26 AM Re: US Presidential Election Results My dear ,Thank you again. This would be the other option, now that he has indeed won the election.This raises the issue of what ascendant would be possible/likely for him. The nearast ascendant to the time on the birth certificate would be Aquarius, based on a later time. An earlier time would give Sagittarius, which are noted for their pleasant personality.As Vyas has suggested, the effort shoiuld now be to rectify the chart for him, given his importance to the future US and global developments..Best wishes,Thor. SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:>> Hello DB,> > No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > - > devibhakt > SAMVA > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM> US Presidential Election Results> > > All,> > The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain > would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning > purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at > the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our > understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both?> > DB> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear : You are right. It is possible that the birth certificate previously posted on Senator Obama's website is not exactly correct, for whatever reason. Do you have an impression of what his rising sign might be based on his appearance and eloquent style and communication skills? Best wishes to you and yours…. David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of SIHA Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:11 PM SAMVA Re: US Presidential Election Results Hello DB, No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory. Best wishes. ----- Original Message ----- devibhakt SAMVA Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM US Presidential Election Results All, The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear : Your points about the saggitarius rising sign are well taken. With the sagittarius rising sign, however, he would be in the most malefic planet sub period, and transit ketu would be on the exact degree of his natal Sun, in the eighth house. Also, as a sagittarius, he might be an advisor to highly placed persons, rather than aspiring to be one himself. I have met him in person at a local venue where he spoke without referring to any notes for one hour, and in watching many of his televised speeches, he strikes me as having a magnetic personality, a pleasing appearance, an above-average intellect, and keen oratory skills. Perhaps we can also take a look at the libra rising sign at around six degrees. This gives the royal Sun in the tenth house, good fortune to him and his self efforts, status (through the Moon being close to the MEP of the eighth), loss of both parents, and a career connected with foreign lands. The sub period would be that of the well placed Venus in the ninth house of good fortune. The transits of Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn would also be beneficial. Other indicators are also there, such as early home education, and gains through marriage, partners, and a career in government. I hope these views are acceptable. Best wishes, David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of SIHA Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:34 PM SAMVA Re: Re: US Presidential Election Results Hello my dear Thor, To me Sagittarius asdt seems a good possibility. In this chart the lord of third house is placed in the second house ruling status. He has been a good communicator. The lord of the asdt is also in the second house and it is in mutual aspect with Mercury ruling the tenth house. Venus is strongly placed in the seventh house. It also gives success to the person in dealing with masses. There are five planets which are around eight degrees in the chart. If we have this degree in the ascendant, the planets play pertinent influences. The lord of the eighth house acting as Rahu and influencing the twelfth house also indicates use of intoxicating agents. So, Sagittarius ascendant can be seen for further details. Best wishes. ----- Original Message ----- cosmologer SAMVA Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:26 AM Re: US Presidential Election Results My dear , Thank you again. This would be the other option, now that he has indeed won the election. This raises the issue of what ascendant would be possible/likely for him. The nearast ascendant to the time on the birth certificate would be Aquarius, based on a later time. An earlier time would give Sagittarius, which are noted for their pleasant personality. As Vyas has suggested, the effort shoiuld now be to rectify the chart for him, given his importance to the future US and global developments.. Best wishes, Thor. SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello DB, > > No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > devibhakt > SAMVA > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM > US Presidential Election Results > > > All, > > The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain > would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning > purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at > the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our > understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? > > DB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hello my dear David, To me Sagittarius asdt seems a good possibility. In this chart the lord of third house is placed in the second house ruling status. He has been a good communicator. The lord of the asdt is also in the second house and it is in mutual aspect with Mercury ruling the tenth house. Venus ruling the team building is strongly placed in the seventh house and influences the ascendant. It also gives success to the person in dealing with masses. There are five planets which are around eight degrees in the chart. If we have this degree in the ascendant, the planets play pertinent influences. The lord of the eighth house acting as Rahu and influencing the twelfth house also indicates use of intoxicating agents. So, Sagittarius ascendant can be seen for further details. Best wishes. www.YourNetAstrologer.comwww.JyotishRemedies121.comA-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).Phones: 2219240 (STD 0124, ISD code 91 124)Mobile phone: 9811016333 - David Hawthorne SAMVA Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:38 AM RE: US Presidential Election Results Dear : You are right. It is possible that the birth certificate previously posted on Senator Obama's website is not exactly correct, for whatever reason. Do you have an impression of what his rising sign might be based on his appearance and eloquent style and communication skills? Best wishes to you and yours…. David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of SIHAWednesday, November 05, 2008 1:11 PMSAMVA Subject: Re: US Presidential Election Results Hello DB, No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory. Best wishes. - devibhakt SAMVA Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM US Presidential Election Results All,The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both?DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hello my dear David, The lords of the ascendant and the third house in the second house also give tendancies like the Sun. I had considered Libra ascendant, as well. In Libra ascendant the third lord Jupiter would be under the exact influence of the most malefic planet Mercury which is a disadvantage for his oratorship, communication skills, etc. In sagittarius ascendant if we take the degree of the ascendant around the degrees of the Sun, then the impact of the Sun can be further strengthened. The recent influence of Rahu on the MEP of the second house and the Sun can give achievement but how long this is sustained remains the question. That is why I said we need to watch the developments in the next six to eight months for gaining further confidence. Best wishes. - David Hawthorne SAMVA Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:38 AM RE: Re: US Presidential Election Results Dear : Your points about the saggitarius rising sign are well taken. With the sagittarius rising sign, however, he would be in the most malefic planet sub period, and transit ketu would be on the exact degree of his natal Sun, in the eighth house. Also, as a sagittarius, he might be an advisor to highly placed persons, rather than aspiring to be one himself. I have met him in person at a local venue where he spoke without referring to any notes for one hour, and in watching many of his televised speeches, he strikes me as having a magnetic personality, a pleasing appearance, an above-average intellect, and keen oratory skills. Perhaps we can also take a look at the libra rising sign at around six degrees. This gives the royal Sun in the tenth house, good fortune to him and his self efforts, status (through the Moon being close to the MEP of the eighth), loss of both parents, and a career connected with foreign lands. The sub period would be that of the well placed Venus in the ninth house of good fortune. The transits of Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn would also be beneficial. Other indicators are also there, such as early home education, and gains through marriage, partners, and a career in government. I hope these views are acceptable. Best wishes, David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of SIHAWednesday, November 05, 2008 5:34 PMSAMVA Subject: Re: Re: US Presidential Election Results Hello my dear Thor, To me Sagittarius asdt seems a good possibility. In this chart the lord of third house is placed in the second house ruling status. He has been a good communicator. The lord of the asdt is also in the second house and it is in mutual aspect with Mercury ruling the tenth house. Venus is strongly placed in the seventh house. It also gives success to the person in dealing with masses. There are five planets which are around eight degrees in the chart. If we have this degree in the ascendant, the planets play pertinent influences. The lord of the eighth house acting as Rahu and influencing the twelfth house also indicates use of intoxicating agents. So, Sagittarius ascendant can be seen for further details. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:26 AM Re: US Presidential Election Results My dear ,Thank you again. This would be the other option, now that he has indeed won the election.This raises the issue of what ascendant would be possible/likely for him. The nearast ascendant to the time on the birth certificate would be Aquarius, based on a later time. An earlier time would give Sagittarius, which are noted for their pleasant personality.As Vyas has suggested, the effort shoiuld now be to rectify the chart for him, given his importance to the future US and global developments..Best wishes,Thor. SAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:>> Hello DB,> > No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory.> > Best wishes.> > > > > > - > devibhakt > SAMVA > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM> US Presidential Election Results> > > All,> > The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain > would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning > purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at > the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our > understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both?> > DB> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 My dear , Thank you for the assessment and insights. It sounds quite reasonable. His confidence and ability to stay focused on his own agenda is quite impressive. We can study this ascendant and the degree noted, including this characteristic. His problem with radical associates would also need to be explained. He has shown himself to be a truly interesting and impressive man. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello my dear Thor, > > To me Sagittarius asdt seems a good possibility. In this chart the lord of third house is placed in the second house ruling status. He has been a good communicator. The lord of the asdt is also in the second house and it is in mutual aspect with Mercury ruling the tenth house. Venus is strongly placed in the seventh house. It also gives success to the person in dealing with masses. There are five planets which are around eight degrees in the chart. If we have this degree in the ascendant, the planets play pertinent influences. The lord of the eighth house acting as Rahu and influencing the twelfth house also indicates use of intoxicating agents. So, Sagittarius ascendant can be seen for further details. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > cosmologer > SAMVA > Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:26 AM > Re: US Presidential Election Results > > > My dear , > > Thank you again. This would be the other option, now that he has indeed won the election. > > This raises the issue of what ascendant would be possible/likely for him. The nearast ascendant to the time on the birth certificate would be Aquarius, based on a later time. An earlier time would give Sagittarius, which are noted for their pleasant personality. > > As Vyas has suggested, the effort shoiuld now be to rectify the chart for him, given his importance to the future US and global developments.. > > Best wishes, > > Thor. > > SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote: > > > > Hello DB, > > > > No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > devibhakt > > SAMVA > > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM > > US Presidential Election Results > > > > > > All, > > > > The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain > > would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning > > purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at > > the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our > > understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? > > > > DB > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Thank you very much, dear ji… Your points are well taken. David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of SIHA Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:47 PM SAMVA Re: Re: US Presidential Election Results Hello my dear David, The lords of the ascendant and the third house in the second house also give tendancies like the Sun. I had considered Libra ascendant, as well. In Libra ascendant the third lord Jupiter would be under the exact influence of the most malefic planet Mercury which is a disadvantage for his oratorship, communication skills, etc. In sagittarius ascendant if we take the degree of the ascendant around the degrees of the Sun, then the impact of the Sun can be further strengthened. The recent influence of Rahu on the MEP of the second house and the Sun can give achievement but how long this is sustained remains the question. That is why I said we need to watch the developments in the next six to eight months for gaining further confidence. Best wishes. ----- Original Message ----- David Hawthorne SAMVA Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:38 AM RE: Re: US Presidential Election Results Dear : Your points about the saggitarius rising sign are well taken. With the sagittarius rising sign, however, he would be in the most malefic planet sub period, and transit ketu would be on the exact degree of his natal Sun, in the eighth house. Also, as a sagittarius, he might be an advisor to highly placed persons, rather than aspiring to be one himself. I have met him in person at a local venue where he spoke without referring to any notes for one hour, and in watching many of his televised speeches, he strikes me as having a magnetic personality, a pleasing appearance, an above-average intellect, and keen oratory skills. Perhaps we can also take a look at the libra rising sign at around six degrees. This gives the royal Sun in the tenth house, good fortune to him and his self efforts, status (through the Moon being close to the MEP of the eighth), loss of both parents, and a career connected with foreign lands. The sub period would be that of the well placed Venus in the ninth house of good fortune. The transits of Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn would also be beneficial. Other indicators are also there, such as early home education, and gains through marriage, partners, and a career in government. I hope these views are acceptable. Best wishes, David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of SIHA Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:34 PM SAMVA Re: Re: US Presidential Election Results Hello my dear Thor, To me Sagittarius asdt seems a good possibility. In this chart the lord of third house is placed in the second house ruling status. He has been a good communicator. The lord of the asdt is also in the second house and it is in mutual aspect with Mercury ruling the tenth house. Venus is strongly placed in the seventh house. It also gives success to the person in dealing with masses. There are five planets which are around eight degrees in the chart. If we have this degree in the ascendant, the planets play pertinent influences. The lord of the eighth house acting as Rahu and influencing the twelfth house also indicates use of intoxicating agents. So, Sagittarius ascendant can be seen for further details. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:26 AM Subject: Re: US Presidential Election Results My dear , Thank you again. This would be the other option, now that he has indeed won the election. This raises the issue of what ascendant would be possible/likely for him. The nearast ascendant to the time on the birth certificate would be Aquarius, based on a later time. An earlier time would give Sagittarius, which are noted for their pleasant personality. As Vyas has suggested, the effort shoiuld now be to rectify the chart for him, given his importance to the future US and global developments.. Best wishes, Thor. SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello DB, > > No firm prediction could be made because of the absence of the right chart for Mr. Obama. Capricorn asdt chart for him was not believed to be the chart showing victory. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > devibhakt > SAMVA > Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:25 PM > US Presidential Election Results > > > All, > > The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain > would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning > purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at > the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our > understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both? > > DB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Dear All Since my early childhood I was fascinated with Astrology and may have consulted numerous astrologers during such times, but one day i decided that I have to understand the way astrologers arrive to predictions based only on birth records, hence i started scouting nets, journals, visited astrological fairs and seminars,even got an opportunity to meet astrologers only catering to celebrities. However in my case the predictions could hardly get materialized , and finally a day came when i was very depressed because some thing which i was waiting to happen for a very long time didn't happen as predicted by a astrologer of very high repute. That was the day i decided enough is enough and I have to understand at least the basis so i tried my hand with conventional astrology which was very complex and confusing for a layman like me , only accidental i happen to get a link of SA and contacted Professor and personally met him, 1 hr of time which he was generous to spend with me from his busy schedule has changed the way I understand Astrology today and its concept, SA is really a simplified form of astrology which helped even a layman like me to understand the afflictions in my chart and its causes and how to safeguard and prepare my self from the future events which may not be as per my expectations, at least it has rid me of my depression and i am thank full to the professor from the bottom of my heart. Regards Zahid On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:25 PM, devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: All,The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both?DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hello Zahid, I am happy that SA helped you. In fact such experiences are shared by many including those who studied astrology for 30 years or more. I do not recollect the meeting. If you post your photograph on the SAMVA photo gallery, then I will recollect the meeting. Best wishes. - Zahid Reza SAMVA Monday, November 10, 2008 8:12 AM Re: US Presidential Election Results Dear All Since my early childhood I was fascinated with Astrology and may have consulted numerous astrologers during such times, but one day i decided that I have to understand the way astrologers arrive to predictions based only on birth records, hence i started scouting nets, journals, visited astrological fairs and seminars,even got an opportunity to meet astrologers only catering to celebrities. However in my case the predictions could hardly get materialized , and finally a day came when i was very depressed because some thing which i was waiting to happen for a very long time didn't happen as predicted by a astrologer of very high repute. That was the day i decided enough is enough and I have to understand at least the basis so i tried my hand with conventional astrology which was very complex and confusing for a layman like me , only accidental i happen to get a link of SA and contacted Professor and personally met him, 1 hr of time which he was generous to spend with me from his busy schedule has changed the way I understand Astrology today and its concept, SA is really a simplified form of astrology which helped even a layman like me to understand the afflictions in my chart and its causes and how to safeguard and prepare my self from the future events which may not be as per my expectations, at least it has rid me of my depression and i am thank full to the professor from the bottom of my heart. Regards Zahid On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:25 PM, devibhakt <devibhakt > wrote: All,The general sense on this list was that based on SA principles, McCain would be the winner. In light of the results, and for learning purpose, we should perhaps review the reasons we looked at to arrive at the predictions. What went wrong - are the charts wrong or our understanding of SA principles wrong? Or, both?DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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