Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Respected Prof Vkc ji, Namasthe.Thanks a lot for Guiding me.In coming days specially around 1 Dec 2008, Tr jupiter lord of h8 shall exactly afflict Tr weak Venus in h8 malefic placement. At the same time sub period lord ketu shall be exactly afflicting Tr Sun, Mars, & Mercury. Mars is also afflicting Sun and Mercury and close aspect to Mars from Tr ketu would make Mars more malefic. So All planets in Transist are weak and under affiction, Thus during Dec 1 Or Dec 2 could prove to be more critical dates.Could chances of more critical problems could erupt during this period.Also Terror incidents in india have increased during sub period of ketu. From mid sept 2009 period of Sun would start, although its in old age in natal chart but it gains strength due to its presence in h3. So would these acts of Terror reduce during Sun main period or not or Transists would create Terror Acts forever in India as Nodes are at Mep of Asc and h7 and afflicting other houses also.What Planetary configurations make India a soft state due to which we are not effectively able to tackle these Terror problems.Regards Ajay.--- On Wed, 11/26/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhryRe: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:07 PM Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 dear thor… thank you for this email. our hearts and prayers are with those in mumbai… David Hawthorne SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Cosmologer Friday, November 28, 2008 9:07 AM SAMVA Re: Terror in Mumbai Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/1303356,mumbai-terrorism-timeline112708.article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AM Re: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. ----- Original Message ----- ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor, In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai. Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as : Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun. At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly. Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India " s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing. Regards Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Hello Ajay, I add my replies to your questions in your message appended below. Best wishes. - ajay sehg SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:11 AM Re: Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof Vkc ji, Namasthe.Thanks a lot for Guiding me.In coming days specially around 1 Dec 2008, Tr jupiter lord of h8 shall exactly afflict Tr weak Venus in h8 malefic placement. At the same time sub period lord ketu shall be exactly afflicting Tr Sun, Mars, & Mercury. Mars is also afflicting Sun and Mercury and close aspect to Mars from Tr ketu would make Mars more malefic. So All planets in Transist are weak and under affiction, Thus during Dec 1 Or Dec 2 could prove to be more critical dates.KEEPING THESE IN VIEW I HAD GIVEN A MESSAGE FOR FORTHCOMING TRANSIT INFLUENCES ON 18TH NOVEMBER. AS TIME WAS DIFFICULT FOR ALL THE ASDTS THAT IS WHY THESE TERROR ATTACK HAS NOT ONLY CAUSED SHOCK TO PEOPLE IN INDIA BUT ACROSS THE WORLD AND IT WILL HAVE WORLD WIDE RAMIFICATIONS INCLUDING ON INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC FRONT.Could chances of more critical problems could erupt during this period.POSSIBILITY CANNOT BE RULED OUT.Also Terror incidents in india have increased during sub period of ketu. From mid sept 2009 period of Sun would start, although its in old age in natal chart but it gains strength due to its presence in h3.THINGS ARE LIKELY TO IMPROVE.So would these acts of Terror reduce during Sun main period or not or Transists would create Terror Acts forever in India as Nodes are at Mep of Asc and h7 and afflicting other houses also.THESE WOULD REDUCE BUT SOME ACTS WOULD CONTINUE DURING TRANSIT INFLUENCES. CLOSE CONJUNCTION OF SIXTH AND TENTH LORDS IN INDEPENDENCE CHARTS ARE ALSO INDICATORS.What Planetary configurations make India a soft state due to which we are not effectively able to tackle these Terror problems.THIRD HOUSE IS RULED AND CLOSELY INFLUENCED BY THE MOON.Regards Ajay.--- On Wed, 11/26/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry > wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry >Re: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:07 PM Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Dear Thor,Terror here in Mumbai which has claimed lifes of of various nationals has come to an end on morning of 29 Nov 2008 at around 9:00 am IST.I wanted to clarify a confusion in my mind. Now if we take Transist conjuction of h6 and h8 lords i.e. Jupiter and Venus to be the main conjuction behind this Terror, then the exact conjuction would have taken place in morning hours of 1 Dec 2008, So why did it stopped on 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. when the conjuction was around 2* band, by passing time this conjuction was getting closer.Now if we clearly analyse the Indian natal chart, The planet of losses Mars ( planet of fires ) was in conjuction with Tr sun within almost 2* band at the time of start of this Terror at 26 Nov at around 9:45 pm IST, Now Tr jupiter from malefic h8 was within 1* band exactly afflicting Tr Saturn lord of h10,Now dispositor of Saturn i.e. sun was weak due to its conjuction with malefic fiery Mars.Now at time of solution of this Terror problem at around 9 a.m, on 29 Nov 2008, Tr jupiter was exactly at 1* band of Tr saturn i.e. jupiter was at 27.49* while saturn at 26.49*.Now at this time i.e. 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. Transist Sun had become strong in Indian chart , Sun was out of 2* conjuction band of malefic mars, and thus SUN got strength to protect its guest Saturn which was transiting thru its house and Tr affliction of jup to saturn was also exact 1* band.So I would like to know ur kind views on this Analysis of Indian chart.Regards Ajay.--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologerRe: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:06 AM Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/ H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes .com/news/ world/1303356, mumbai-terrorism -timeline112708. article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Dear Ajay, I trust completely on issues of interpretation and he has answered your specific points. Certainly, his prediction has now been realised. Allow me to explain my view on the matter in general terms. All I can say is that we try to time significant events in advance and tend to do so by treating aspects as a precise mechanical law. Nevertheless this approach is likely overdoing it a bit. Not only is the law of karma subtle in as much as it involves the grace of God. Other planetary placements and influences may at times offer a fine tuning to the overall balance of influences, affecting the timing of the outcome. Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down until the aspect has cleared. In my experience, signficant events, good or bad, have occurred fairly close to an exact major aspect. The karma is expressed as expected. At other times, the expected karmic events have taken place before the major aspect became exact or after. In addition to the overall balance of influences, there could be several other reasons for this. In my case, the time devoted to astrology is often necessarily limited. I just do not find time for a reading of the overall balance of influences in the mundane charts I look at, only the major aspects. As a result, the timing of the reading is left open to some time frame. After all, we are all busy in our lives. In some cases, there has been no major significant event, but perhaps stress. Is that due to such unexamined benign off-setting influences in the chart? Another element is the grace of God. At a personal level, we try to appeal to the grace of God through astral remedies. At a collective level this is even more unknown. That said, India is a country with a great spiritual heritage and an active spiritual life among its people. More importantly, the language of the stars is being interpreted through human agency. In my case, I have come to understand my human limits better when applying astrology. Sometimes, we may be focused on the regular prominent indications of a planet or house ruler to be touched but some other less well known indication ends up being expressed. While this may be consistent with the planet being afflicted or aspected, perhaps we just did not think of it or know it beforehand. This is especially true of mundane astrology which we have been learning in the past decade. It is true Professor Choduhry has given us the main indications, as a general insight, still there are fine shades of expression sometimes seen. So, while astrology is in one sense a science it also involves our human capabilities of understanding how the laws of karma are potentially expressed. We are always trying to read the natal charts and transits accurately, but sometimes there is not enough time or energy to do it to reach the exact result. This is however to be expected. The main purpose of applying astrology is to warn people of possible setbacks. These can be seen through the major aspects, even if the very exact timing may be difficult. This is the true use of astrology to help people navigate through life in the best way for themselves and others. This is why this effort is very much worthwhile. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehgSAMVA Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:23:58 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Thor,Terror here in Mumbai which has claimed lifes of of various nationals has come to an end on morning of 29 Nov 2008 at around 9:00 am IST.I wanted to clarify a confusion in my mind. Now if we take Transist conjuction of h6 and h8 lords i.e. Jupiter and Venus to be the main conjuction behind this Terror, then the exact conjuction would have taken place in morning hours of 1 Dec 2008, So why did it stopped on 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. when the conjuction was around 2* band, by passing time this conjuction was getting closer.Now if we clearly analyse the Indian natal chart, The planet of losses Mars ( planet of fires ) was in conjuction with Tr sun within almost 2* band at the time of start of this Terror at 26 Nov at around 9:45 pm IST, Now Tr jupiter from malefic h8 was within 1* band exactly afflicting Tr Saturn lord of h10,Now dispositor of Saturn i.e. sun was weak due to its conjuction with malefic fiery Mars.Now at time of solution of this Terror problem at around 9 a.m, on 29 Nov 2008, Tr jupiter was exactly at 1* band of Tr saturn i.e. jupiter was at 27.49* while saturn at 26.49*.Now at this time i.e. 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. Transist Sun had become strong in Indian chart , Sun was out of 2* conjuction band of malefic mars, and thus SUN got strength to protect its guest Saturn which was transiting thru its house and Tr affliction of jup to saturn was also exact 1* band.So I would like to know ur kind views on this Analysis of Indian chart.Regards Ajay.--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologerRe: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:06 AM Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/ H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes .com/news/ world/1303356, mumbai-terrorism -timeline112708. article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Respected Dear Thor,I agree with u, Thanks a lot for guiding me. I always love to read ur analysis. Best Regards Ajay.--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologerRe: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 1:05 AM Dear Ajay, I trust completely on issues of interpretation and he has answered your specific points. Certainly, his prediction has now been realised. Allow me to explain my view on the matter in general terms. All I can say is that we try to time significant events in advance and tend to do so by treating aspects as a precise mechanical law. Nevertheless this approach is likely overdoing it a bit. Not only is the law of karma subtle in as much as it involves the grace of God. Other planetary placements and influences may at times offer a fine tuning to the overall balance of influences, affecting the timing of the outcome. Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down until the aspect has cleared. In my experience, signficant events, good or bad, have occurred fairly close to an exact major aspect. The karma is expressed as expected. At other times, the expected karmic events have taken place before the major aspect became exact or after. In addition to the overall balance of influences, there could be several other reasons for this. In my case, the time devoted to astrology is often necessarily limited. I just do not find time for a reading of the overall balance of influences in the mundane charts I look at, only the major aspects. As a result, the timing of the reading is left open to some time frame. After all, we are all busy in our lives. In some cases, there has been no major significant event, but perhaps stress. Is that due to such unexamined benign off-setting influences in the chart? Another element is the grace of God. At a personal level, we try to appeal to the grace of God through astral remedies. At a collective level this is even more unknown. That said, India is a country with a great spiritual heritage and an active spiritual life among its people. More importantly, the language of the stars is being interpreted through human agency. In my case, I have come to understand my human limits better when applying astrology. Sometimes, we may be focused on the regular prominent indications of a planet or house ruler to be touched but some other less well known indication ends up being expressed. While this may be consistent with the planet being afflicted or aspected, perhaps we just did not think of it or know it beforehand. This is especially true of mundane astrology which we have been learning in the past decade. It is true Professor Choduhry has given us the main indications, as a general insight, still there are fine shades of expression sometimes seen. So, while astrology is in one sense a science it also involves our human capabilities of understanding how the laws of karma are potentially expressed. We are always trying to read the natal charts and transits accurately, but sometimes there is not enough time or energy to do it to reach the exact result. This is however to be expected. The main purpose of applying astrology is to warn people of possible setbacks. These can be seen through the major aspects, even if the very exact timing may be difficult. This is the true use of astrology to help people navigate through life in the best way for themselves and others. This is why this effort is very much worthwhile. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehg >SAMVA Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:23:58 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Thor,Terror here in Mumbai which has claimed lifes of of various nationals has come to an end on morning of 29 Nov 2008 at around 9:00 am IST.I wanted to clarify a confusion in my mind. Now if we take Transist conjuction of h6 and h8 lords i.e. Jupiter and Venus to be the main conjuction behind this Terror, then the exact conjuction would have taken place in morning hours of 1 Dec 2008, So why did it stopped on 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. when the conjuction was around 2* band, by passing time this conjuction was getting closer.Now if we clearly analyse the Indian natal chart, The planet of losses Mars ( planet of fires ) was in conjuction with Tr sun within almost 2* band at the time of start of this Terror at 26 Nov at around 9:45 pm IST, Now Tr jupiter from malefic h8 was within 1* band exactly afflicting Tr Saturn lord of h10,Now dispositor of Saturn i.e. sun was weak due to its conjuction with malefic fiery Mars.Now at time of solution of this Terror problem at around 9 a.m, on 29 Nov 2008, Tr jupiter was exactly at 1* band of Tr saturn i.e. jupiter was at 27.49* while saturn at 26.49*.Now at this time i.e. 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. Transist Sun had become strong in Indian chart , Sun was out of 2* conjuction band of malefic mars, and thus SUN got strength to protect its guest Saturn which was transiting thru its house and Tr affliction of jup to saturn was also exact 1* band.So I would like to know ur kind views on this Analysis of Indian chart.Regards Ajay.--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologer >Re: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:06 AM Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/ H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes .com/news/ world/1303356, mumbai-terrorism -timeline112708. article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Dear Ajay, You are most welcome. The hope when founding SAMVA was that astrologers with also an interest in mundane issues would learn a lot more about the application of SA in this regard by having an informal exchange of views and information on the list. I think we are making good progress with that. I find your posts to be a valuable contribution in this regard. Keep up the good work. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehgSAMVA Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:46:53 PMRe: Terror in Mumbai Respected Dear Thor,I agree with u, Thanks a lot for guiding me. I always love to read ur analysis. Best Regards Ajay.--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologerRe: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 1:05 AM Dear Ajay, I trust completely on issues of interpretation and he has answered your specific points. Certainly, his prediction has now been realised. Allow me to explain my view on the matter in general terms. All I can say is that we try to time significant events in advance and tend to do so by treating aspects as a precise mechanical law. Nevertheless this approach is likely overdoing it a bit. Not only is the law of karma subtle in as much as it involves the grace of God. Other planetary placements and influences may at times offer a fine tuning to the overall balance of influences, affecting the timing of the outcome. Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down until the aspect has cleared. In my experience, signficant events, good or bad, have occurred fairly close to an exact major aspect. The karma is expressed as expected. At other times, the expected karmic events have taken place before the major aspect became exact or after. In addition to the overall balance of influences, there could be several other reasons for this. In my case, the time devoted to astrology is often necessarily limited. I just do not find time for a reading of the overall balance of influences in the mundane charts I look at, only the major aspects. As a result, the timing of the reading is left open to some time frame. After all, we are all busy in our lives. In some cases, there has been no major significant event, but perhaps stress. Is that due to such unexamined benign off-setting influences in the chart? Another element is the grace of God. At a personal level, we try to appeal to the grace of God through astral remedies. At a collective level this is even more unknown. That said, India is a country with a great spiritual heritage and an active spiritual life among its people. More importantly, the language of the stars is being interpreted through human agency. In my case, I have come to understand my human limits better when applying astrology. Sometimes, we may be focused on the regular prominent indications of a planet or house ruler to be touched but some other less well known indication ends up being expressed. While this may be consistent with the planet being afflicted or aspected, perhaps we just did not think of it or know it beforehand. This is especially true of mundane astrology which we have been learning in the past decade. It is true Professor Choduhry has given us the main indications, as a general insight, still there are fine shades of expression sometimes seen. So, while astrology is in one sense a science it also involves our human capabilities of understanding how the laws of karma are potentially expressed. We are always trying to read the natal charts and transits accurately, but sometimes there is not enough time or energy to do it to reach the exact result. This is however to be expected. The main purpose of applying astrology is to warn people of possible setbacks. These can be seen through the major aspects, even if the very exact timing may be difficult. This is the true use of astrology to help people navigate through life in the best way for themselves and others. This is why this effort is very much worthwhile. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehg >SAMVA Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:23:58 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Thor,Terror here in Mumbai which has claimed lifes of of various nationals has come to an end on morning of 29 Nov 2008 at around 9:00 am IST.I wanted to clarify a confusion in my mind. Now if we take Transist conjuction of h6 and h8 lords i.e. Jupiter and Venus to be the main conjuction behind this Terror, then the exact conjuction would have taken place in morning hours of 1 Dec 2008, So why did it stopped on 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. when the conjuction was around 2* band, by passing time this conjuction was getting closer.Now if we clearly analyse the Indian natal chart, The planet of losses Mars ( planet of fires ) was in conjuction with Tr sun within almost 2* band at the time of start of this Terror at 26 Nov at around 9:45 pm IST, Now Tr jupiter from malefic h8 was within 1* band exactly afflicting Tr Saturn lord of h10,Now dispositor of Saturn i.e. sun was weak due to its conjuction with malefic fiery Mars.Now at time of solution of this Terror problem at around 9 a.m, on 29 Nov 2008, Tr jupiter was exactly at 1* band of Tr saturn i.e. jupiter was at 27.49* while saturn at 26.49*.Now at this time i.e. 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. Transist Sun had become strong in Indian chart , Sun was out of 2* conjuction band of malefic mars, and thus SUN got strength to protect its guest Saturn which was transiting thru its house and Tr affliction of jup to saturn was also exact 1* band.So I would like to know ur kind views on this Analysis of Indian chart.Regards Ajay.--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologer >Re: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:06 AM Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/ H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes .com/news/ world/1303356, mumbai-terrorism -timeline112708. article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. 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Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Dear friends, >Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect >becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down >until the aspect has cleared. The conjunction of Venus and Jupiter is becoming exact in the coming hours. According to the news coming out of India, it seems the strain from the terrorist attacks in India have reached a fever pitch today in terms of worsening relations with Pakistan, where the terrorists came from. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:05:24 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Ajay, I trust completely on issues of interpretation and he has answered your specific points. Certainly, his prediction has now been realised. Allow me to explain my view on the matter in general terms. All I can say is that we try to time significant events in advance and tend to do so by treating aspects as a precise mechanical law. Nevertheless this approach is likely overdoing it a bit. Not only is the law of karma subtle in as much as it involves the grace of God. Other planetary placements and influences may at times offer a fine tuning to the overall balance of influences, affecting the timing of the outcome. Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down until the aspect has cleared. In my experience, signficant events, good or bad, have occurred fairly close to an exact major aspect. The karma is expressed as expected. At other times, the expected karmic events have taken place before the major aspect became exact or after. In addition to the overall balance of influences, there could be several other reasons for this. In my case, the time devoted to astrology is often necessarily limited. I just do not find time for a reading of the overall balance of influences in the mundane charts I look at, only the major aspects. As a result, the timing of the reading is left open to some time frame. After all, we are all busy in our lives. In some cases, there has been no major significant event, but perhaps stress. Is that due to such unexamined benign off-setting influences in the chart? Another element is the grace of God. At a personal level, we try to appeal to the grace of God through astral remedies. At a collective level this is even more unknown. That said, India is a country with a great spiritual heritage and an active spiritual life among its people. More importantly, the language of the stars is being interpreted through human agency. In my case, I have come to understand my human limits better when applying astrology. Sometimes, we may be focused on the regular prominent indications of a planet or house ruler to be touched but some other less well known indication ends up being expressed. While this may be consistent with the planet being afflicted or aspected, perhaps we just did not think of it or know it beforehand. This is especially true of mundane astrology which we have been learning in the past decade. It is true Professor Choduhry has given us the main indications, as a general insight, still there are fine shades of expression sometimes seen. So, while astrology is in one sense a science it also involves our human capabilities of understanding how the laws of karma are potentially expressed. We are always trying to read the natal charts and transits accurately, but sometimes there is not enough time or energy to do it to reach the exact result. This is however to be expected. The main purpose of applying astrology is to warn people of possible setbacks. These can be seen through the major aspects, even if the very exact timing may be difficult. This is the true use of astrology to help people navigate through life in the best way for themselves and others. This is why this effort is very much worthwhile. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehgSAMVA Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:23:58 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Thor,Terror here in Mumbai which has claimed lifes of of various nationals has come to an end on morning of 29 Nov 2008 at around 9:00 am IST.I wanted to clarify a confusion in my mind. Now if we take Transist conjuction of h6 and h8 lords i.e. Jupiter and Venus to be the main conjuction behind this Terror, then the exact conjuction would have taken place in morning hours of 1 Dec 2008, So why did it stopped on 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. when the conjuction was around 2* band, by passing time this conjuction was getting closer.Now if we clearly analyse the Indian natal chart, The planet of losses Mars ( planet of fires ) was in conjuction with Tr sun within almost 2* band at the time of start of this Terror at 26 Nov at around 9:45 pm IST, Now Tr jupiter from malefic h8 was within 1* band exactly afflicting Tr Saturn lord of h10,Now dispositor of Saturn i.e. sun was weak due to its conjuction with malefic fiery Mars.Now at time of solution of this Terror problem at around 9 a.m, on 29 Nov 2008, Tr jupiter was exactly at 1* band of Tr saturn i.e. jupiter was at 27.49* while saturn at 26.49*.Now at this time i.e. 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. Transist Sun had become strong in Indian chart , Sun was out of 2* conjuction band of malefic mars, and thus SUN got strength to protect its guest Saturn which was transiting thru its house and Tr affliction of jup to saturn was also exact 1* band.So I would like to know ur kind views on this Analysis of Indian chart.Regards Ajay.--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologerRe: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:06 AM Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/ H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes .com/news/ world/1303356, mumbai-terrorism -timeline112708. article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. 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Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Hello my dear Thor, This is the outcome of the transit Venus Jupiter conjunction and may have even wider ramifications than the Mumbai terror. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Monday, December 01, 2008 5:21 AM Re: Terror in Mumbai Dear friends, >Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect >becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down >until the aspect has cleared. The conjunction of Venus and Jupiter is becoming exact in the coming hours. According to the news coming out of India, it seems the strain from the terrorist attacks in India have reached a fever pitch today in terms of worsening relations with Pakistan, where the terrorists came from. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:05:24 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Ajay, I trust completely on issues of interpretation and he has answered your specific points. Certainly, his prediction has now been realised. Allow me to explain my view on the matter in general terms. All I can say is that we try to time significant events in advance and tend to do so by treating aspects as a precise mechanical law. Nevertheless this approach is likely overdoing it a bit. Not only is the law of karma subtle in as much as it involves the grace of God. Other planetary placements and influences may at times offer a fine tuning to the overall balance of influences, affecting the timing of the outcome. Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down until the aspect has cleared. In my experience, signficant events, good or bad, have occurred fairly close to an exact major aspect. The karma is expressed as expected. At other times, the expected karmic events have taken place before the major aspect became exact or after. In addition to the overall balance of influences, there could be several other reasons for this. In my case, the time devoted to astrology is often necessarily limited. I just do not find time for a reading of the overall balance of influences in the mundane charts I look at, only the major aspects. As a result, the timing of the reading is left open to some time frame. After all, we are all busy in our lives. In some cases, there has been no major significant event, but perhaps stress. Is that due to such unexamined benign off-setting influences in the chart? Another element is the grace of God. At a personal level, we try to appeal to the grace of God through astral remedies. At a collective level this is even more unknown. That said, India is a country with a great spiritual heritage and an active spiritual life among its people. More importantly, the language of the stars is being interpreted through human agency. In my case, I have come to understand my human limits better when applying astrology. Sometimes, we may be focused on the regular prominent indications of a planet or house ruler to be touched but some other less well known indication ends up being expressed. While this may be consistent with the planet being afflicted or aspected, perhaps we just did not think of it or know it beforehand. This is especially true of mundane astrology which we have been learning in the past decade. It is true Professor Choduhry has given us the main indications, as a general insight, still there are fine shades of expression sometimes seen. So, while astrology is in one sense a science it also involves our human capabilities of understanding how the laws of karma are potentially expressed. We are always trying to read the natal charts and transits accurately, but sometimes there is not enough time or energy to do it to reach the exact result. This is however to be expected. The main purpose of applying astrology is to warn people of possible setbacks. These can be seen through the major aspects, even if the very exact timing may be difficult. This is the true use of astrology to help people navigate through life in the best way for themselves and others. This is why this effort is very much worthwhile. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehg >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:23:58 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Thor,Terror here in Mumbai which has claimed lifes of of various nationals has come to an end on morning of 29 Nov 2008 at around 9:00 am IST.I wanted to clarify a confusion in my mind. Now if we take Transist conjuction of h6 and h8 lords i.e. Jupiter and Venus to be the main conjuction behind this Terror, then the exact conjuction would have taken place in morning hours of 1 Dec 2008, So why did it stopped on 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. when the conjuction was around 2* band, by passing time this conjuction was getting closer.Now if we clearly analyse the Indian natal chart, The planet of losses Mars ( planet of fires ) was in conjuction with Tr sun within almost 2* band at the time of start of this Terror at 26 Nov at around 9:45 pm IST, Now Tr jupiter from malefic h8 was within 1* band exactly afflicting Tr Saturn lord of h10,Now dispositor of Saturn i.e. sun was weak due to its conjuction with malefic fiery Mars.Now at time of solution of this Terror problem at around 9 a.m, on 29 Nov 2008, Tr jupiter was exactly at 1* band of Tr saturn i.e. jupiter was at 27.49* while saturn at 26.49*.Now at this time i.e. 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. Transist Sun had become strong in Indian chart , Sun was out of 2* conjuction band of malefic mars, and thus SUN got strength to protect its guest Saturn which was transiting thru its house and Tr affliction of jup to saturn was also exact 1* band.So I would like to know ur kind views on this Analysis of Indian chart.Regards Ajay.--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologer >Re: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:06 AM Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/ H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes .com/news/ world/1303356, mumbai-terrorism -timeline112708. article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. 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Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 My dear , Right. This event has sent shockwaves around the world. It is being reported that these misguided beings, the terrorists, wanted to kill upwards of 5,000 people - to outdo the carnage of "9/11". By the grace of God, in this they failed. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 3:24:13 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello my dear Thor, This is the outcome of the transit Venus Jupiter conjunction and may have even wider ramifications than the Mumbai terror. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Monday, December 01, 2008 5:21 AM Re: Terror in Mumbai Dear friends, >Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect >becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down >until the aspect has cleared. The conjunction of Venus and Jupiter is becoming exact in the coming hours. According to the news coming out of India, it seems the strain from the terrorist attacks in India have reached a fever pitch today in terms of worsening relations with Pakistan, where the terrorists came from. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:05:24 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Ajay, I trust completely on issues of interpretation and he has answered your specific points. Certainly, his prediction has now been realised. Allow me to explain my view on the matter in general terms. All I can say is that we try to time significant events in advance and tend to do so by treating aspects as a precise mechanical law. Nevertheless this approach is likely overdoing it a bit. Not only is the law of karma subtle in as much as it involves the grace of God. Other planetary placements and influences may at times offer a fine tuning to the overall balance of influences, affecting the timing of the outcome. Moreover, in some cases while the event may take place before the orb of aspect becomes exact, the karmic stress may build afterwards and not begin to go down until the aspect has cleared. In my experience, signficant events, good or bad, have occurred fairly close to an exact major aspect. The karma is expressed as expected. At other times, the expected karmic events have taken place before the major aspect became exact or after. In addition to the overall balance of influences, there could be several other reasons for this. In my case, the time devoted to astrology is often necessarily limited. I just do not find time for a reading of the overall balance of influences in the mundane charts I look at, only the major aspects. As a result, the timing of the reading is left open to some time frame. After all, we are all busy in our lives. In some cases, there has been no major significant event, but perhaps stress. Is that due to such unexamined benign off-setting influences in the chart? Another element is the grace of God. At a personal level, we try to appeal to the grace of God through astral remedies. At a collective level this is even more unknown. That said, India is a country with a great spiritual heritage and an active spiritual life among its people. More importantly, the language of the stars is being interpreted through human agency. In my case, I have come to understand my human limits better when applying astrology. Sometimes, we may be focused on the regular prominent indications of a planet or house ruler to be touched but some other less well known indication ends up being expressed. While this may be consistent with the planet being afflicted or aspected, perhaps we just did not think of it or know it beforehand. This is especially true of mundane astrology which we have been learning in the past decade. It is true Professor Choduhry has given us the main indications, as a general insight, still there are fine shades of expression sometimes seen. So, while astrology is in one sense a science it also involves our human capabilities of understanding how the laws of karma are potentially expressed. We are always trying to read the natal charts and transits accurately, but sometimes there is not enough time or energy to do it to reach the exact result. This is however to be expected. The main purpose of applying astrology is to warn people of possible setbacks. These can be seen through the major aspects, even if the very exact timing may be difficult. This is the true use of astrology to help people navigate through life in the best way for themselves and others. This is why this effort is very much worthwhile. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehg >SAMVA Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:23:58 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Dear Thor,Terror here in Mumbai which has claimed lifes of of various nationals has come to an end on morning of 29 Nov 2008 at around 9:00 am IST.I wanted to clarify a confusion in my mind. Now if we take Transist conjuction of h6 and h8 lords i.e. Jupiter and Venus to be the main conjuction behind this Terror, then the exact conjuction would have taken place in morning hours of 1 Dec 2008, So why did it stopped on 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. when the conjuction was around 2* band, by passing time this conjuction was getting closer.Now if we clearly analyse the Indian natal chart, The planet of losses Mars ( planet of fires ) was in conjuction with Tr sun within almost 2* band at the time of start of this Terror at 26 Nov at around 9:45 pm IST, Now Tr jupiter from malefic h8 was within 1* band exactly afflicting Tr Saturn lord of h10,Now dispositor of Saturn i.e. sun was weak due to its conjuction with malefic fiery Mars.Now at time of solution of this Terror problem at around 9 a.m, on 29 Nov 2008, Tr jupiter was exactly at 1* band of Tr saturn i.e. jupiter was at 27.49* while saturn at 26.49*.Now at this time i.e. 29 Nov at around 9 a.m. Transist Sun had become strong in Indian chart , Sun was out of 2* conjuction band of malefic mars, and thus SUN got strength to protect its guest Saturn which was transiting thru its house and Tr affliction of jup to saturn was also exact 1* band.So I would like to know ur kind views on this Analysis of Indian chart.Regards Ajay.--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologer >Re: Terror in MumbaiSAMVA Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:06 AM Dear friends, The tragic terrorist attacks in Mumbai began at 9:20 pm on Wednesday 26 November. At that time, the key malefic influence in the Taurus rising chart of India (see attached) was the applying conjunction aspect of transit 6th lord Venus at 22° 42´ Sagittarius/ H8 and transit 8th lord was at 27° 19' Sagittarius. The orb of the conjunction at that time was around 4° 37'. As the following ephemeris and calculation shows, the conjunction will become exact in the early hours of Monday, December 1 and then begin to seperate and leave the effective 5° orb on December 6. Jupiter Venus Orb 26.11.2008 27°Sg12' 21°Sg55' 5,3 Attacks begin at 9:20 pm 27.11.2008 27°Sg23' 23°Sg06' 4,3 Day 2 28.11.2008 27°Sg35' 24°Sg17' 3,3 Day 3 29.11.2008 27°Sg47' 25°Sg28' 2,3 30.11.2008 27°Sg59' 26°Sg39' 1,3 1.12.2008 28°Sg11' 27°Sg50' 0,4 2.12.2008 28°Sg23' 29°Sg00' -0,6 3.12.2008 28°Sg35' 0°Cp11' -1,6 4.12.2008 28°Sg48' 1°Cp21' -2,6 5.12.2008 29°Sg00' 2°Cp31' -3,5 6.12.2008 29°Sg12' 3°Cp42' -4,5 7.12.2008 29°Sg25' 4°Cp52' -5,4 November 27, 2008 FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS A timeline of the attacks by suspected Muslim militants in Mumbai that have killed at least 119 people: — About 9:20 p.m. Wednesday shooting starts at Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, one of the world’s busiest, handling thousands of passengers each day. — Within the hour, other attacks occur at four other locations: the Nariman House, home of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch; Leopold’s restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners; the Oberoi hotel, a five-star landmark; the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city’s elite. — At 10:50 p.m. shooting breaks out near Times of India newspaper offices in southern part of the city, quickly followed by attacks near the Bombay Municipal Corporation, the civic body that governs Mumbai, and the Cama hospital in southern Mumbai and the GT hospital in the city center. — Just after midnight gunmen attack the Vidhan Sabha, the legislative assembly, the lower house of state legislature in India. — Around 3 a.m. Thursday, large fire breaks out at the Taj hotel and an hour later authorities begin escorting people out of the Taj hotel. — At 9:15 a.m. Indian security forces are brought in to try to retake the Taj Mahal Palace hotel and the Oberoi hotel. — About 10:30 a.m., members of the National Security Guard start doing room-to-room searches at the Taj hotel and within the hour surround the Nariman House and http://www.suntimes .com/news/ world/1303356, mumbai-terrorism -timeline112708. article Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:07:27 AMRe: Terror in Mumbai Hello dear Ajay, You have missed the main affliction. For this event it is the mutual affliction of Venus and Jupiter in the eighth house. Best wishes. - ajay sehg samva Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:28 AM Terror in Mumbai Respected Prof & Thor,In Mumbai India in an ongoing terror incident in which many innocent Indians have lost their lives and hundreds are injured here in Mumbai.Now looking at the Indian natal chart, the transists are as :Mars the planet of fires is exactly within a 2* band afflicting 100% combust powerless mercury ( planet of communications ) and Sun.At same time jupiter from h8 is afflicting weak saturn lord of h10, Now dispositor of saturn, Sun was also under affliction from planet of fires, Mars, Thus Saturn became weak and jupiter afflicted it badly.Thus In ur view are these multiple afflictions responsible for India"s first ever largest terror attack on financial capital of India, Mumbai or Are there more afflictions which i might have missed in analysing.Regards Ajay. 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