Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Dear Sams,I have tested the charts on Wars fought between India and Pakistan in 1965, 1971, and 1999 ( Kargil War ).The Chart for Pakistan which is tested is Taraus Rising with around Asc 1.5* as Suggested by Prof Vkc ji.War in 1965 between India and Pakistan started in August and ended on 23 Sept 1965.In Pakistan chart, Main / Sub period of Saturn was in operation, Saturn is lord of h10 and is exactly afflicted by Natal h6 lord Venus the lord of conflicts and disputes. Thus natal Saturn is week in Pakistan chart which confirms the law and order problems Pakistan faces and has been unable to control.Now during War in 1965, The mmp planet Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and sub lord Saturn house 10. Now on the day 23 Sept 1965 when war had ended mmp jupiter was away from Mep. Asc is 1.5*. On 23 Sept jupiter was at 6.49*.Now In Indian chart, at start of war in August 1965, Main / Sub Period of Saturn / Jupiter was in operation, Jupiter is mmp in Indian chart. Saturn is lord of h10 and natally is afflicted by h6 lord Venus.Now during war in 1965 the sub period lord mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and h10. Now when war ended on 23 Sept 1965 sub period of Mercury had started and sub lord had gained strength while transiting through its house which resulted in end of war in 1965.War in 1971 Started on 3 Dec and ended with surrender of Pakistan Army on 16 Dec 1971In Pakistan chart In Dec 1971 period of Saturn / Venus was in operation. Venus is lord of h6 of conflicts and disputes.At time of war in 1971, Jupiter mmp was exactly afflicting sub lord, natal Venus and natal saturn.In Indian chart period of Mer / Sun was in operation and during war mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting natal Saturn h10 lord and natal Venus h6 lord and Sun lord of h4.Kargil war which can be called a mini war started towards last of May 1999 and ended in July 1999.In Pakistan chart Period of Mer / Saturn was in operation.At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus.In Indian chart Period of Malefics Venus / Rahu was in operation.At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus.Thus the tranists at time of war clarify the chart for Pakistan as Taraus Rising. Now if we look at the present transists in Indian chart and Pakistan chart they do not point that War is around the corner. Its just Europhia which is keeping both countries on war Alert, but nothing of that sort seems to happen in near future.Regards. Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 Dear Ajay, Thanks for this august effort. That said, the issue of identifying an authentic chart for Pakistan has run into unexpected problems. First there is the question of time zone. We can assume that in 1946 to 1951, when INT (+5:30) is officially recorded, that due to problems in establishing the state, there were problems for officials to carry out all types of tasks, including recording accurately the time zone. However, the implication of such an oversight would make casting accurate horoscopes of those born in that period difficult. Even if an error had occured in terms of recording the time zone, we have non-trivial astrologcial issues to contemplate and resolve. For instance, if the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart for Pakistan is quite similar to the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with only 24 hours separating the creation - why did Pakistan experience a great calamity with regard to the loss of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971 when nothing of comparable magnitude happened in India? Part of the answer could lie in different periods: Pakistan was in Sa/Ve period while India was in Me/Su period. Venus is afflicting while Saturn is afflicted for Pakistan. Mercury is a good period for India. - if the Venus-Saturn conjunction explains frequent coups in Pakistan, why has the same conjunction not had a similar effect in India? While the conjunction is closer for Pakistan, there is a slightly larger orb for India, the 3rd house hosting the combination is much more afflicted in the chart for India. In sum, while the Taurus ascendant seems attractive for Pakistan, as it is a country quite similar to India, there are salient differences between the countries, which the respective birth charts would explain. So far, in my view the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart leaves something to be desired on this account. However, making predictions against charts for Pakistan should help settle the matter. So far, has authoritively established the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with repeat accurate predictions. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehgsamva Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:00:57 PM India / Pak War Analysis. Dear Sams,I have tested the charts on Wars fought between India and Pakistan in 1965, 1971, and 1999 ( Kargil War ).The Chart for Pakistan which is tested is Taraus Rising with around Asc 1.5* as Suggested by Prof Vkc ji.War in 1965 between India and Pakistan started in August and ended on 23 Sept 1965.In Pakistan chart, Main / Sub period of Saturn was in operation, Saturn is lord of h10 and is exactly afflicted by Natal h6 lord Venus the lord of conflicts and disputes. Thus natal Saturn is week in Pakistan chart which confirms the law and order problems Pakistan faces and has been unable to control.Now during War in 1965, The mmp planet Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and sub lord Saturn house 10. Now on the day 23 Sept 1965 when war had ended mmp jupiter was away from Mep. Asc is 1.5*. On 23 Sept jupiter was at 6.49*.Now In Indian chart, at start of war in August 1965, Main / Sub Period of Saturn / Jupiter was in operation, Jupiter is mmp in Indian chart. Saturn is lord of h10 and natally is afflicted by h6 lord Venus.Now during war in 1965 the sub period lord mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and h10. Now when war ended on 23 Sept 1965 sub period of Mercury had started and sub lord had gained strength while transiting through its house which resulted in end of war in 1965.War in 1971 Started on 3 Dec and ended with surrender of Pakistan Army on 16 Dec 1971In Pakistan chart In Dec 1971 period of Saturn / Venus was in operation. Venus is lord of h6 of conflicts and disputes.At time of war in 1971, Jupiter mmp was exactly afflicting sub lord, natal Venus and natal saturn.In Indian chart period of Mer / Sun was in operation and during war mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting natal Saturn h10 lord and natal Venus h6 lord and Sun lord of h4.Kargil war which can be called a mini war started towards last of May 1999 and ended in July 1999.In Pakistan chart Period of Mer / Saturn was in operation.At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus.In Indian chart Period of Malefics Venus / Rahu was in operation.At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus.Thus the tranists at time of war clarify the chart for Pakistan as Taraus Rising.Now if we look at the present transists in Indian chart and Pakistan chart they do not point that War is around the corner. Its just Europhia which is keeping both countries on war Alert, but nothing of that sort seems to happen in near future.Regards. Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Thor,You are right,It seems we need to do more tests on Pakistan chart as some of the points u have pointed are to be thought and analysed further.Best Regards Ajay.--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologerRe: India / Pak War Analysis.SAMVA Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 2:22 PM Dear Ajay, Thanks for this august effort. That said, the issue of identifying an authentic chart for Pakistan has run into unexpected problems. First there is the question of time zone. We can assume that in 1946 to 1951, when INT (+5:30) is officially recorded, that due to problems in establishing the state, there were problems for officials to carry out all types of tasks, including recording accurately the time zone. However, the implication of such an oversight would make casting accurate horoscopes of those born in that period difficult. Even if an error had occured in terms of recording the time zone, we have non-trivial astrologcial issues to contemplate and resolve. For instance, if the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart for Pakistan is quite similar to the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with only 24 hours separating the creation - why did Pakistan experience a great calamity with regard to the loss of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971 when nothing of comparable magnitude happened in India? Part of the answer could lie in different periods: Pakistan was in Sa/Ve period while India was in Me/Su period. Venus is afflicting while Saturn is afflicted for Pakistan. Mercury is a good period for India. - if the Venus-Saturn conjunction explains frequent coups in Pakistan, why has the same conjunction not had a similar effect in India? While the conjunction is closer for Pakistan, there is a slightly larger orb for India, the 3rd house hosting the combination is much more afflicted in the chart for India. In sum, while the Taurus ascendant seems attractive for Pakistan, as it is a country quite similar to India, there are salient differences between the countries, which the respective birth charts would explain. So far, in my view the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart leaves something to be desired on this account. However, making predictions against charts for Pakistan should help settle the matter. So far, has authoritively established the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with repeat accurate predictions. Best wishes, Thor ajay sehg <ajaysehg >samva Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:00:57 PM India / Pak War Analysis. Dear Sams,I have tested the charts on Wars fought between India and Pakistan in 1965, 1971, and 1999 ( Kargil War ).The Chart for Pakistan which is tested is Taraus Rising with around Asc 1.5* as Suggested by Prof Vkc ji.War in 1965 between India and Pakistan started in August and ended on 23 Sept 1965.In Pakistan chart, Main / Sub period of Saturn was in operation, Saturn is lord of h10 and is exactly afflicted by Natal h6 lord Venus the lord of conflicts and disputes. Thus natal Saturn is week in Pakistan chart which confirms the law and order problems Pakistan faces and has been unable to control.Now during War in 1965, The mmp planet Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and sub lord Saturn house 10. Now on the day 23 Sept 1965 when war had ended mmp jupiter was away from Mep. Asc is 1.5*. On 23 Sept jupiter was at 6.49*.Now In Indian chart, at start of war in August 1965, Main / Sub Period of Saturn / Jupiter was in operation, Jupiter is mmp in Indian chart. Saturn is lord of h10 and natally is afflicted by h6 lord Venus.Now during war in 1965 the sub period lord mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and h10. Now when war ended on 23 Sept 1965 sub period of Mercury had started and sub lord had gained strength while transiting through its house which resulted in end of war in 1965.War in 1971 Started on 3 Dec and ended with surrender of Pakistan Army on 16 Dec 1971In Pakistan chart In Dec 1971 period of Saturn / Venus was in operation. Venus is lord of h6 of conflicts and disputes.At time of war in 1971, Jupiter mmp was exactly afflicting sub lord, natal Venus and natal saturn.In Indian chart period of Mer / Sun was in operation and during war mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting natal Saturn h10 lord and natal Venus h6 lord and Sun lord of h4.Kargil war which can be called a mini war started towards last of May 1999 and ended in July 1999.In Pakistan chart Period of Mer / Saturn was in operation.At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus.In Indian chart Period of Malefics Venus / Rahu was in operation.At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus.Thus the tranists at time of war clarify the chart for Pakistan as Taraus Rising.Now if we look at the present transists in Indian chart and Pakistan chart they do not point that War is around the corner. Its just Europhia which is keeping both countries on war Alert, but nothing of that sort seems to happen in near future.Regards. Ajay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Dear Friends, Pakistan is not the only country having more than one chart. According to June 3rd, 1947 decision of British Parliament, India would be given independence by mid of August 1947. It was unanimously agreed by Congress and All India Muslim League that British India is divided into states of Indian and Pakistan. But it was impossible for then Viceroy, Lord Mountbatten to be in New Delhi and Karachi at the same time. This led to controversy about the correct date and time of birth of Pakistan. Mountbatten chose August 14, 1947 to attend the ceremony of power transferring to Pakistan held in Karachi. Muhammad Ali Jinnah took the oath of Governor General of Pakistan in the presence of Mountbatten on August 14, 1947 at 9:20am in Governor General House Karachi. Moreover, it was midnight of August 14, 1947 when All India Radio Lahore station announced, " Yeh Radio Pakistan hai (This is Radio Pakistan) " . Hence, August 14, 1947 at 12:00am is generally taken the birth time of Pakistan. However, it is to be noted that after partition the official documents and newspapers had been considering the August 15 as the independence day of Pakistan. But after few years, assembly passed a resolution to celebrate Independence Day on August 14. Then onward, August 14 has been commemorating as the Independence Day. As a result, astrologers considered three different charts of Pakistan. 1) August 14, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi (Aries lagna and Gemini Moon) 2) August 14, 1947 at 09:20 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi (Virgo lagna and Gemini Moon) 3) August 15, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi (Aries lagna and Cancer Moon) Some practitioners mistakenly consider +5:00 GMT to erect Pakistan's chart, that gives Taurus rising. Pakistan Standard Time (PST +05:00 GMT) was enforced on May 1, 1954. Hence drawing Pakistan's chart by taking present time zone (+05:00 GMT) is baseless. After independence, Pakistan had to adopt Indian Standard Time, like postage tickets and currency notes. Since there was no governmental setup or economic hierarchy in the region, new State of Pakistan gained. India inherited British-Indian constitution, law, banking, educational and political system and time zone too, but Pakistan started everything from scratch. Then from September 1, 1951; +04:30 hours adopted as the first new time zone that remained in practiced by April 30, 1954. But after three years the government has finally chosen +05:00 (five hours ahead of GMT) as Pakistan Standard Time (PST) and enforced it from May 1, 1954 at 12:00 am. This (+5:00 GMT) time zone has been in practice to date. However, in 2002 and 2008, in order to control electricity consumption, government promulgated day light saving (DLS) by adding one hour in +05:00 PST. Here's the history of Pakistan Standard Time zone in tabulated form. -- Pakistan Standard Time -- Date of Enforcement Time Zone Ahead/Behind of GMT -- Before 1906 at 12:00 am LMT * 00:00:00 none 01-01-1906 at 12:00 am IST + 05:30:00 Ahead of GMT 01-09-1942 at 12:00 am ISW + 06:30:00 Ahead of GMT 15-10-1945 at 12:00 am IST + 05:30:00 Ahead of GMT 01-09-1951 at 12:00 am PST + 04:30:00 Ahead of GMT 01-05-1954 at 12:00 am PST + 05:00:00 Ahead of GMT 06-04-2002 at 12:00 am PST DLS + 06:00:00 Ahead of GMT 01-10-2002 at 12:00 am PST + 05:00:00 Ahead of GMT 01-06-2008 at 12:00 am PST DLS + 06:00:00 Ahead of GMT 01-10-2008 at 12:00 am PST + 05:00:00 Ahead of GMT -- Following are the charts and planetary position related to Pakistan. 1) Pakistan August 14, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Rah / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ 2 / \ 12 / | |Mars \ / \ / | |Moon 3 x Aries Lagna x 11 | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Mer \ 1 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Sat Sun 4 x 10 | | \ / \ / | | \ Ven / 7 \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | 5 x Jup x 9 | | / \ / \ | | / 6 \ / 8 \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / Ket \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ -------- Lagna 23 Ari 15' 34.01 " Sun 27 Can 02' 02.05 " Moon 18 Gem 59' 07.74 " Mars 06 Gem 48' 18.42 " Mercury 11 Csn 54' 27.51 " Jupiter 25 Lib 47' 46.03 " Venus 21 Csn 20' 18.92 " Saturn 20 Csn 21' 09.38 " Rahu 05 Tau 07' 21.79 " Ketu 05 Sco 07' 21.79 " -------- 2) Pakistan August 14, 1947 at 09:20 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Jup / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ 7 / \ 5 / | | \ / \ / Ven | |Ket 8 x Virg Lagna x Mer Sun | | / \ / \ Sat | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 6 / Mars \ | | / \ / \ | | 9 x 3 Moon | | \ / \ / | | \ / 12 \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | 10 x x 2 Rah | | / \ / \ | | / 11 \ / 1 \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ -------- Lagna 03 Vir 29' 58.62 " Sun 27 Can 24' 26.83 " Moon 24 Gem 47' 37.18 " Mars 07 Gem 03' 40.70 " Mercury 12 Can 35' 34.25 " Jupiter 25 Lib 49' 42.69 " Venus 21 Can 49' 07.50 " Saturn 20 Can 24' 08.46 " Rahu 05 Tau 06' 07.60 " Ketu 05 Sco 06' 07.60 " -------- 3) Pakistan August 15, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Rahu / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ 2 / \ 12 / | | \ / \ / | |Mars 3 x Aries Lagna x 11 | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Moon \ 1 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Ven Sun Sat x 10 | | \ / \ / | | \ Mer / 7 \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | 5 x Jup x | | / \ / \ | | / 6 \ / 8 \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / Ket \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ -------- Lagna 24 Ari 24' 34.30 " Sun 27 Can 59' 40.59 " Moon 03 Can 59' 02.06 " Mars 07 Gem 27' 48.57 " Mercury 13 Can 41' 10.85 " Jupiter 25 Lib 52' 48.89 " Venus 22 Can 34' 24.40 " Saturn 20 Can 28' 49.72 " Rahu 05 Tau 04' 11.02 " Ketu 05 Sco 04' 11.02 " -------- I'll soon pen on the comparative analysis of afore mentioned three charts of Pakistan. Regards, M. Imran Karachi 29-12-2008 SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear Ajay, > > Thanks for this august effort. > > That said, the issue of identifying an authentic chart for Pakistan has run into unexpected problems. > > First there is the question of time zone. We can assume that in 1946 to 1951, when INT (+5:30) is officially recorded, that due to problems in establishing the state, there were problems for officials to carry out all types of tasks, including recording accurately the time zone. However, the implication of such an oversight would make casting accurate horoscopes of those born in that period difficult. > > Even if an error had occured in terms of recording the time zone, we have non-trivial astrologcial issues to contemplate and resolve. > > For instance, if the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart for Pakistan is quite similar to the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with only 24 hours separating the creation > - why did Pakistan experience a great calamity with regard to the loss of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971 when nothing of comparable magnitude happened in India? Part of the answer could lie in different periods: Pakistan was in Sa/Ve period while India was in Me/Su period. Venus is afflicting while Saturn is afflicted for Pakistan. Mercury is a good period for India. > - if the Venus-Saturn conjunction explains frequent coups in Pakistan, why has the same conjunction not had a similar effect in India? While the conjunction is closer for Pakistan, there is a slightly larger orb for India, the 3rd house hosting the combination is much more afflicted in the chart for India. > > In sum, while the Taurus ascendant seems attractive for Pakistan, as it is a country quite similar to India, there are salient differences between the countries, which the respective birth charts would explain. So far, in my view the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart leaves something to be desired on this account. However, making predictions against charts for Pakistan should help settle the matter. So far, has authoritively established the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with repeat accurate predictions. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > ________________________________ > ajay sehg <ajaysehg > samva > Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:00:57 PM > India / Pak War Analysis. > > > Dear Sams, > > I have tested the charts on Wars fought between India and Pakistan in 1965, 1971, and 1999 ( Kargil War ). > The Chart for Pakistan which is tested is Taraus Rising with around Asc 1.5* as Suggested by Prof Vkc ji. > > War in 1965 between India and Pakistan started in August and ended on 23 Sept 1965. > > In Pakistan chart, Main / Sub period of Saturn was in operation, Saturn is lord of h10 and is exactly afflicted by Natal h6 lord Venus the lord of conflicts and disputes. Thus natal Saturn is week in Pakistan chart which confirms the law and order problems Pakistan faces and has been unable to control. > > Now during War in 1965, The mmp planet Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and sub lord Saturn house 10. Now on the day 23 Sept 1965 when war had ended mmp jupiter was away from Mep. Asc is 1.5*. On 23 Sept jupiter was at 6.49*. > > Now In Indian chart, at start of war in August 1965, Main / Sub Period of Saturn / Jupiter was in operation, Jupiter is mmp in Indian chart. Saturn is lord of h10 and natally is afflicted by h6 lord Venus. > > Now during war in 1965 the sub period lord mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and h10. Now when war ended on 23 Sept 1965 sub period of Mercury had started and sub lord had gained strength while transiting through its house which resulted in end of war in 1965. > > War in 1971 Started on 3 Dec and ended with surrender of Pakistan Army on 16 Dec 1971 > > In Pakistan chart In Dec 1971 period of Saturn / Venus was in operation. Venus is lord of h6 of conflicts and disputes. > > At time of war in 1971, Jupiter mmp was exactly afflicting sub lord, natal Venus and natal saturn. > > In Indian chart period of Mer / Sun was in operation and during war mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting natal Saturn h10 lord and natal Venus h6 lord and Sun lord of h4. > > Kargil war which can be called a mini war started towards last of May 1999 and ended in July 1999. > > In Pakistan chart Period of Mer / Saturn was in operation. > > At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus. > > In Indian chart Period of Malefics Venus / Rahu was in operation. > > At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus. > > Thus the tranists at time of war clarify the chart for Pakistan as Taraus Rising. > > Now if we look at the present transists in Indian chart and Pakistan chart they do not point that War is around the corner. Its just Europhia which is keeping both countries on war Alert, but nothing of that sort seems to happen in near future. > > Regards. > Ajay. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2008 Report Share Posted December 28, 2008 Hello Mr Imran, You will find that there can be only one chart for the birth of a nation amongst the many proposed and suspected. Also, you can discredit both Aries rising charts right away. The natal potential of these charts are not inline with reality. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " M. Imran " <astroimran <SAMVA > Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:05 PM Re: India / Pak War Analysis. Dear Friends, Pakistan is not the only country having more than one chart. According to June 3rd, 1947 decision of British Parliament, India would be given independence by mid of August 1947. It was unanimously agreed by Congress and All India Muslim League that British India is divided into states of Indian and Pakistan. But it was impossible for then Viceroy, Lord Mountbatten to be in New Delhi and Karachi at the same time. This led to controversy about the correct date and time of birth of Pakistan. Mountbatten chose August 14, 1947 to attend the ceremony of power transferring to Pakistan held in Karachi. Muhammad Ali Jinnah took the oath of Governor General of Pakistan in the presence of Mountbatten on August 14, 1947 at 9:20am in Governor General House Karachi. Moreover, it was midnight of August 14, 1947 when All India Radio Lahore station announced, " Yeh Radio Pakistan hai (This is Radio Pakistan) " . Hence, August 14, 1947 at 12:00am is generally taken the birth time of Pakistan. However, it is to be noted that after partition the official documents and newspapers had been considering the August 15 as the independence day of Pakistan. But after few years, assembly passed a resolution to celebrate Independence Day on August 14. Then onward, August 14 has been commemorating as the Independence Day. As a result, astrologers considered three different charts of Pakistan. 1) August 14, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi (Aries lagna and Gemini Moon) 2) August 14, 1947 at 09:20 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi (Virgo lagna and Gemini Moon) 3) August 15, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi (Aries lagna and Cancer Moon) Some practitioners mistakenly consider +5:00 GMT to erect Pakistan's chart, that gives Taurus rising. Pakistan Standard Time (PST +05:00 GMT) was enforced on May 1, 1954. Hence drawing Pakistan's chart by taking present time zone (+05:00 GMT) is baseless. After independence, Pakistan had to adopt Indian Standard Time, like postage tickets and currency notes. Since there was no governmental setup or economic hierarchy in the region, new State of Pakistan gained. India inherited British-Indian constitution, law, banking, educational and political system and time zone too, but Pakistan started everything from scratch. Then from September 1, 1951; +04:30 hours adopted as the first new time zone that remained in practiced by April 30, 1954. But after three years the government has finally chosen +05:00 (five hours ahead of GMT) as Pakistan Standard Time (PST) and enforced it from May 1, 1954 at 12:00 am. This (+5:00 GMT) time zone has been in practice to date. However, in 2002 and 2008, in order to control electricity consumption, government promulgated day light saving (DLS) by adding one hour in +05:00 PST. Here's the history of Pakistan Standard Time zone in tabulated form. -- Pakistan Standard Time -- Date of Enforcement Time Zone Ahead/Behind of GMT -- Before 1906 at 12:00 am LMT * 00:00:00 none 01-01-1906 at 12:00 am IST + 05:30:00 Ahead of GMT 01-09-1942 at 12:00 am ISW + 06:30:00 Ahead of GMT 15-10-1945 at 12:00 am IST + 05:30:00 Ahead of GMT 01-09-1951 at 12:00 am PST + 04:30:00 Ahead of GMT 01-05-1954 at 12:00 am PST + 05:00:00 Ahead of GMT 06-04-2002 at 12:00 am PST DLS + 06:00:00 Ahead of GMT 01-10-2002 at 12:00 am PST + 05:00:00 Ahead of GMT 01-06-2008 at 12:00 am PST DLS + 06:00:00 Ahead of GMT 01-10-2008 at 12:00 am PST + 05:00:00 Ahead of GMT -- Following are the charts and planetary position related to Pakistan. 1) Pakistan August 14, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Rah / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ 2 / \ 12 / | |Mars \ / \ / | |Moon 3 x Aries Lagna x 11 | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Mer \ 1 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Sat Sun 4 x 10 | | \ / \ / | | \ Ven / 7 \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | 5 x Jup x 9 | | / \ / \ | | / 6 \ / 8 \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / Ket \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ -------- Lagna 23 Ari 15' 34.01 " Sun 27 Can 02' 02.05 " Moon 18 Gem 59' 07.74 " Mars 06 Gem 48' 18.42 " Mercury 11 Csn 54' 27.51 " Jupiter 25 Lib 47' 46.03 " Venus 21 Csn 20' 18.92 " Saturn 20 Csn 21' 09.38 " Rahu 05 Tau 07' 21.79 " Ketu 05 Sco 07' 21.79 " -------- 2) Pakistan August 14, 1947 at 09:20 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Jup / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ 7 / \ 5 / | | \ / \ / Ven | |Ket 8 x Virg Lagna x Mer Sun | | / \ / \ Sat | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 6 / Mars \ | | / \ / \ | | 9 x 3 Moon | | \ / \ / | | \ / 12 \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | 10 x x 2 Rah | | / \ / \ | | / 11 \ / 1 \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ -------- Lagna 03 Vir 29' 58.62 " Sun 27 Can 24' 26.83 " Moon 24 Gem 47' 37.18 " Mars 07 Gem 03' 40.70 " Mercury 12 Can 35' 34.25 " Jupiter 25 Lib 49' 42.69 " Venus 21 Can 49' 07.50 " Saturn 20 Can 24' 08.46 " Rahu 05 Tau 06' 07.60 " Ketu 05 Sco 06' 07.60 " -------- 3) Pakistan August 15, 1947 at 12:00 am, (+05:30 GMT) Karachi +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ Rahu / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ 2 / \ 12 / | | \ / \ / | |Mars 3 x Aries Lagna x 11 | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Moon \ 1 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Ven Sun Sat x 10 | | \ / \ / | | \ Mer / 7 \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | 5 x Jup x | | / \ / \ | | / 6 \ / 8 \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / Ket \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ -------- Lagna 24 Ari 24' 34.30 " Sun 27 Can 59' 40.59 " Moon 03 Can 59' 02.06 " Mars 07 Gem 27' 48.57 " Mercury 13 Can 41' 10.85 " Jupiter 25 Lib 52' 48.89 " Venus 22 Can 34' 24.40 " Saturn 20 Can 28' 49.72 " Rahu 05 Tau 04' 11.02 " Ketu 05 Sco 04' 11.02 " -------- I'll soon pen on the comparative analysis of afore mentioned three charts of Pakistan. Regards, M. Imran Karachi 29-12-2008 SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear Ajay, > > Thanks for this august effort. > > That said, the issue of identifying an authentic chart for Pakistan has run into unexpected problems. > > First there is the question of time zone. We can assume that in 1946 to 1951, when INT (+5:30) is officially recorded, that due to problems in establishing the state, there were problems for officials to carry out all types of tasks, including recording accurately the time zone. However, the implication of such an oversight would make casting accurate horoscopes of those born in that period difficult. > > Even if an error had occured in terms of recording the time zone, we have non-trivial astrologcial issues to contemplate and resolve. > > For instance, if the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart for Pakistan is quite similar to the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with only 24 hours separating the creation > - why did Pakistan experience a great calamity with regard to the loss of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in 1971 when nothing of comparable magnitude happened in India? Part of the answer could lie in different periods: Pakistan was in Sa/Ve period while India was in Me/Su period. Venus is afflicting while Saturn is afflicted for Pakistan. Mercury is a good period for India. > - if the Venus-Saturn conjunction explains frequent coups in Pakistan, why has the same conjunction not had a similar effect in India? While the conjunction is closer for Pakistan, there is a slightly larger orb for India, the 3rd house hosting the combination is much more afflicted in the chart for India. > > In sum, while the Taurus ascendant seems attractive for Pakistan, as it is a country quite similar to India, there are salient differences between the countries, which the respective birth charts would explain. So far, in my view the 1° 50' Taurus rising chart leaves something to be desired on this account. However, making predictions against charts for Pakistan should help settle the matter. So far, has authoritively established the 7° 46' Taurus rising chart for India with repeat accurate predictions. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > ________________________________ > ajay sehg <ajaysehg > samva > Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:00:57 PM > India / Pak War Analysis. > > > Dear Sams, > > I have tested the charts on Wars fought between India and Pakistan in 1965, 1971, and 1999 ( Kargil War ). > The Chart for Pakistan which is tested is Taraus Rising with around Asc 1.5* as Suggested by Prof Vkc ji. > > War in 1965 between India and Pakistan started in August and ended on 23 Sept 1965. > > In Pakistan chart, Main / Sub period of Saturn was in operation, Saturn is lord of h10 and is exactly afflicted by Natal h6 lord Venus the lord of conflicts and disputes. Thus natal Saturn is week in Pakistan chart which confirms the law and order problems Pakistan faces and has been unable to control. > > Now during War in 1965, The mmp planet Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and sub lord Saturn house 10. Now on the day 23 Sept 1965 when war had ended mmp jupiter was away from Mep. Asc is 1.5*. On 23 Sept jupiter was at 6.49*. > > Now In Indian chart, at start of war in August 1965, Main / Sub Period of Saturn / Jupiter was in operation, Jupiter is mmp in Indian chart. Saturn is lord of h10 and natally is afflicted by h6 lord Venus. > > Now during war in 1965 the sub period lord mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting h2, h6 and h10. Now when war ended on 23 Sept 1965 sub period of Mercury had started and sub lord had gained strength while transiting through its house which resulted in end of war in 1965. > > War in 1971 Started on 3 Dec and ended with surrender of Pakistan Army on 16 Dec 1971 > > In Pakistan chart In Dec 1971 period of Saturn / Venus was in operation. Venus is lord of h6 of conflicts and disputes. > > At time of war in 1971, Jupiter mmp was exactly afflicting sub lord, natal Venus and natal saturn. > > In Indian chart period of Mer / Sun was in operation and during war mmp Jupiter was exactly afflicting natal Saturn h10 lord and natal Venus h6 lord and Sun lord of h4. > > Kargil war which can be called a mini war started towards last of May 1999 and ended in July 1999. > > In Pakistan chart Period of Mer / Saturn was in operation. > > At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus. > > In Indian chart Period of Malefics Venus / Rahu was in operation. > > At time of war Nodal axis were exactly afflicting natal Saturn and natal Venus. > > Thus the tranists at time of war clarify the chart for Pakistan as Taraus Rising. > > Now if we look at the present transists in Indian chart and Pakistan chart they do not point that War is around the corner. Its just Europhia which is keeping both countries on war Alert, but nothing of that sort seems to happen in near future. > > Regards. > Ajay. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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