Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Dear Thor, This looks like the chart for Israel. I like to see a story in a chart. Jupiter the planet of religion is in the 12H. The Jews lost their spiritual roots(Ju in Mula nak.) but many achieved prosperity overseas(Ju strong in 12H). They came from far away places (12H ) to establish a home in Israel(Ju aspects 4H). Ra in 4 H shows the people came from foreign lands also but since Ra is on MEP of 4H there is chaos,disturbance and violence. The chart for Israel has to show disturbed home life The other charts suggested for the 14th May look a little too cosy. Ron Cosmologer wrote: > Sunday, December 28, 2008 > Birth of Israel > There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine. > > To read more: > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Dear Ron and list members, Nice to have your feedback, Ron. I have always thought the 21 Capricorn rising chart for midnight of May 15, 1948 in Tel Aviv was astrologically most plausible of the several proposed charts, with the others surrounding events in the declaration ceremony. At the same time, I always thought the ending of the British mandate was tenously supported by the historical evidence. I was therefore pleasantly surprised, after I started researching the issue myself, that I came across unevoquivical primary historical evidence supporting this chart, including: 1. the declaration for the establishment of the state says the state comes into effect at the ending of the British mandate on May 15th, at midnight 2. newspaper accounts on Sunday May 16, confirm the fact that the state came into being at midnight on May 15. 3. the symbolic act of the British high command to sail away from Haifa at midnight on May 15 is reported as symbolic for the ending of the mandate and coming into effect of the state of Israel 4. a reading of the UN Plan and the implied end of the British mandate and the hostile reaction of the Arab states convinced me of the geopolitical context as having been a significant element in the timing of the decision by the Jewish leaders to align the creation of the state with this process to maximise its international legitimacy. http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html To this we can add the facts that 4. not all the delegates signed the declaration on that day - so it was incomplete 5. the delegates signed a declaration explicitly stating the passing of the mandate as the basis of the event 6. the earlier time of the meeting (16.00-16.32) was only chosen in view of the Sabbath such that the delegates could be home before sundown in view of religious custom. Only after these facts were established did I realise the historical case for this event was much strong than earlier thought. Actually, I was startled to see the preponderance of evidence so stacked up in favour of the midnight chart. As for the astrology of the chart, in SA we don't use nakshatra's or out of orb aspects, but aside from that your reading is spot on. For me the EXACT affliction of the nodes, with Rahu at 20° 53' Libra conjunct the MEP of the 4th house at 20° 56' Libra and Ketu likewise afflicting the MEP of the 10th house at 20° 56' Aries - and then afflicting all the even numbered houses. This is the most significant placement with regard to the natal potential. It shows the massive difficulties of the nation with regard to dealings with indigenous population, neighboring states like Syria, Iran and Egypt. The Capricorn ascendant also seems fitting for a somewhat stern nation like Israel, at least in terms of it ancient and strict religion, which I believe includes an 'eye for an eye' morality. In any event, it is the predictions for the future events that can remove any remaining doubt. David Hawthorne and I have shared our thoughts on this chart. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of other list members on this chart and future prospects, including yours Ron. Best wishes, Thor RonDay <ronkarSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:38:54 AMRe: Blog: Birth of IsraelDear Thor,This looks like the chart for Israel. I like to see a story in a chart.Jupiter the planet of religion is in the 12H. The Jews lost their spiritual roots(Ju in Mula nak.) but many achieved prosperity overseas(Ju strong in 12H). They came from far away places (12H ) to establish a home in Israel(Ju aspects 4H). Ra in 4 H shows the people came from foreign lands also but since Ra is on MEP of 4H there is chaos,disturbance and violence.The chart for Israel has to show disturbed home lifeThe other charts suggested for the 14th May look a little too cosy.RonCosmologer wrote:> Sunday, December 28, 2008 > Birth of Israel > There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine.> > To read more:> http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/> > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Dear Thor, I had a quick look at this chart and it appears to have the right natal potential for further exploration. Good work. Often, I've seen, astrologers jump on a chart because many significant events match without checking this one step of natal potential. With nations, the history must match as well. Fortunate here is that the history is recent for this nation. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:29 AM Re: Blog: Birth of Israel Dear Ron and list members, Nice to have your feedback, Ron. I have always thought the 21 Capricorn rising chart for midnight of May 15, 1948 in Tel Aviv was astrologically most plausible of the several proposed charts, with the others surrounding events in the declaration ceremony. At the same time, I always thought the ending of the British mandate was tenously supported by the historical evidence. I was therefore pleasantly surprised, after I started researching the issue myself, that I came across unevoquivical primary historical evidence supporting this chart, including: 1. the declaration for the establishment of the state says the state comes into effect at the ending of the British mandate on May 15th, at midnight 2. newspaper accounts on Sunday May 16, confirm the fact that the state came into being at midnight on May 15. 3. the symbolic act of the British high command to sail away from Haifa at midnight on May 15 is reported as symbolic for the ending of the mandate and coming into effect of the state of Israel 4. a reading of the UN Plan and the implied end of the British mandate and the hostile reaction of the Arab states convinced me of the geopolitical context as having been a significant element in the timing of the decision by the Jewish leaders to align the creation of the state with this process to maximise its international legitimacy. http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html To this we can add the facts that 4. not all the delegates signed the declaration on that day - so it was incomplete 5. the delegates signed a declaration explicitly stating the passing of the mandate as the basis of the event 6. the earlier time of the meeting (16.00-16.32) was only chosen in view of the Sabbath such that the delegates could be home before sundown in view of religious custom. Only after these facts were established did I realise the historical case for this event was much strong than earlier thought. Actually, I was startled to see the preponderance of evidence so stacked up in favour of the midnight chart. As for the astrology of the chart, in SA we don't use nakshatra's or out of orb aspects, but aside from that your reading is spot on. For me the EXACT affliction of the nodes, with Rahu at 20° 53' Libra conjunct the MEP of the 4th house at 20° 56' Libra and Ketu likewise afflicting the MEP of the 10th house at 20° 56' Aries - and then afflicting all the even numbered houses. This is the most significant placement with regard to the natal potential. It shows the massive difficulties of the nation with regard to dealings with indigenous population, neighboring states like Syria, Iran and Egypt. The Capricorn ascendant also seems fitting for a somewhat stern nation like Israel, at least in terms of it ancient and strict religion, which I believe includes an 'eye for an eye' morality. In any event, it is the predictions for the future events that can remove any remaining doubt. David Hawthorne and I have shared our thoughts on this chart. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of other list members on this chart and future prospects, including yours Ron. Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ RonDay <ronkar SAMVA Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:38:54 AM Re: Blog: Birth of Israel Dear Thor, This looks like the chart for Israel. I like to see a story in a chart. Jupiter the planet of religion is in the 12H. The Jews lost their spiritual roots(Ju in Mula nak.) but many achieved prosperity overseas(Ju strong in 12H). They came from far away places (12H ) to establish a home in Israel(Ju aspects 4H). Ra in 4 H shows the people came from foreign lands also but since Ra is on MEP of 4H there is chaos,disturbance and violence. The chart for Israel has to show disturbed home life The other charts suggested for the 14th May look a little too cosy. Ron Cosmologer wrote: > Sunday, December 28, 2008 > Birth of Israel > There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State > of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel > unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process > set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in > Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine. > > To read more: > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ > > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 Dear Vyas, Thanks for the kind words. Indeed, it helps in the rectification effort when it involves recent history. With regard to Israel, its founding was a unique process involving the international community. The founding of this country therefore received a lot of attention and was surrounded by a lot of tension. That said, the work on SAMVA is progressing because we have stuck with it and are now increasingly benefitting by the accumulated knowledge of past more hesitant efforts. Best wishes, Thor Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:13:05 PMRe: Blog: Birth of IsraelDear Thor,I had a quick look at this chart and it appears to have the right natal potential for further exploration. Good work. Often, I've seen, astrologers jump on a chart because many significant events match without checking this one step of natal potential. With nations, the history must match as well. Fortunate here is that the history is recent for this nation.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:29 AMRe: Blog: Birth of IsraelDear Ron and list members,Nice to have your feedback, Ron.I have always thought the 21 Capricorn rising chart for midnight of May 15, 1948 in Tel Aviv was astrologically most plausible of the several proposed charts, with the others surrounding events in the declaration ceremony. At the same time, I always thought the ending of the British mandate was tenously supported by the historical evidence. I was therefore pleasantly surprised, after I started researching the issue myself, that I came across unevoquivical primary historical evidence supporting this chart, including:1. the declaration for the establishment of the state says the state comes into effect at the ending of the British mandate on May 15th, at midnight2. newspaper accounts on Sunday May 16, confirm the fact that the state came into being at midnight on May 15.3. the symbolic act of the British high command to sail away from Haifa at midnight on May 15 is reported as symbolic for the ending of the mandate and coming into effect of the state of Israel4. a reading of the UN Plan and the implied end of the British mandate and the hostile reaction of the Arab states convinced me of the geopolitical context as having been a significant element in the timing of the decision by the Jewish leaders to align the creation of the state with this process to maximise its international legitimacy.http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.htmlTo this we can add the facts that4. not all the delegates signed the declaration on that day - so it was incomplete5. the delegates signed a declaration explicitly stating the passing of the mandate as the basis of the event6. the earlier time of the meeting (16.00-16.32) was only chosen in view of the Sabbath such that the delegates could be home before sundown in view of religious custom.Only after these facts were established did I realise the historical case for this event was much strong than earlier thought. Actually, I was startled to see the preponderance of evidence so stacked up in favour of the midnight chart.As for the astrology of the chart, in SA we don't use nakshatra's or out of orb aspects, but aside from that your reading is spot on.For me the EXACT affliction of the nodes, with Rahu at 20° 53' Libra conjunct the MEP of the 4th house at 20° 56' Libra and Ketu likewise afflicting the MEP of the 10th house at 20° 56' Aries - and then afflicting all the even numbered houses. This is the most significant placement with regard to the natal potential. It shows the massive difficulties of the nation with regard to dealings with indigenous population, neighboring states like Syria, Iran and Egypt. The Capricorn ascendant also seems fitting for a somewhat stern nation like Israel, at least in terms of it ancient and strict religion, which I believe includes an 'eye for an eye' morality.In any event, it is the predictions for the future events that can remove any remaining doubt. David Hawthorne and I have shared our thoughts on this chart. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of other list members on this chart and future prospects, including yours Ron.Best wishes,Thor________________________________RonDay <ronkarSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:38:54 AMRe: Blog: Birth of IsraelDear Thor,This looks like the chart for Israel. I like to see a story in a chart.Jupiter the planet of religion is in the 12H. The Jews lost theirspiritual roots(Ju in Mula nak.) but many achieved prosperityoverseas(Ju strong in 12H).They came from far away places (12H ) to establish a home in Israel(Juaspects 4H). Ra in 4 H shows the people came from foreign lands also butsince Ra is on MEP of 4H there is chaos,disturbance and violence.The chart for Israel has to show disturbed home lifeThe other charts suggested for the 14th May look a little too cosy.RonCosmologer wrote:> Sunday, December 28, 2008> Birth of Israel> There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State > of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel > unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process > set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in > Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine.>> To read more:> http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/>>>--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Dear friends, once explained that Rahu gives econcroachment tendency. I have added the following insight into the article, with a helpful graph to make the following point: "The dispute of the Israelis and Palestinian arabs centers on the encroachment tendency of the Israeli's on land in Palestine since the creation of the state six decades ago. This is consistent with Rahu exactly afflicting the 4th house of real estate, land and natural resources."http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html Once we begin to explore an authentic chart, it begins to reveal the salient tendencies, including the once that serve as a basis of constant difficulty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM Blog: Birth of Israel Sunday, December 28, 2008 Birth of Israel There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine. To read more: http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear friends, In case someone on the list has the time and interest to to study the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel, I append (links to) information about significant events in the history of the country. http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/IsraelState.htm Biography On May 15th, the day after the United Nations created the state of Israel, Israel was attacked by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan. A 15 month battle for independence ensued. The next major crisis after the war of independence was the Suez crisis of 1956. On 26 July Egyptian Pres. Nasser nationalized the canal, cautioning that Israeli shipping through it would not receive protection. Israeli troops invaded the Sinai peninsula 29 October, aided by the bombing of Egyptian airfields by British and French planes 31 October, and a cease-fire began 7 November. The Six-Day War of 1967 resulted in Israel's conquest of the Sinai plus the Gaza and West Bank territories and East Jerusalem (formerly under Jordanian control) and the Golan Heights (formerly belonging to Syria). Military historians generally consider Israel's strategy and execution to have been brilliant, a "text-book" case. "At 7:10 a.m. of June 5, Major General Mordechai Hod, commander of Israel's air force, radioed the attack order from the operations room of the defense ministry in Tel Aviv. ... The Six-Day War ended officially at 6:30 p.m., Israel time, on June 10." (1) The Jewish holy site known as the Western Wall (Wailing Wall) was taken by Israeli soldiers on 7 June at approximately 9:00 a.m. (2) An event that shocked the world was the assault by Palestinian gunmen on Israeli athletes at the Summer Olympics in Munich, Germany; this was on 5 September 1972, beginning at 5:00 a.m. (3) It was a horrific spasm in a period of simmering tension, and Israel's military promptly retaliated by bombing and strafing Palestinian guerrilla bases in Lebanon and Syria. The 1973 war, often called the Yom Kippur War, began on 6 October: "at 2:00 p.m., as the Israeli cabinet was gathered in emergency session, a military aide suddenly entered the conference room and whispered urgently to [Prime Minister] Mrs. [Golda] Meir. The enemy onslaught had begun." (4) Within two weeks, the Egyptian attack on the Sinai frontier had been blunted as Israeli units crossed the Suez Canal and trapped Egypt's 3rd Army; a cease-fire with Egypt was formally signed 11 November. On the Syrian front, the battle was more protracted, and a cease-fire agreement was not reached until 31 May 1974. A major Israeli political shift took place in the wake of the 1973-74 war: the organization of the hard-line Likud Party, led by Menachem Begin. The Labour Party had been in power since independence, but Likud replaced Labour in the election of 13 May 1977. Northern Israeli settlements continued to be harassed from across the Lebanese border, leading Israel to launch an invasion 6 June 1982, reportedly beginning at 11:00 a.m. local time (5); a massive bombardment of PLO targets in Lebanon had begun on 4 June. It was a costly operation for Israel, and Israel continued to occupy a "security zone" in southern Lebanon until 24 May 2000. A major objective of the invasion was to expel the PLO from Lebanon, and in the process Israeli forces, directed by Ariel Sharon, were at least complicit in the massacre of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children at two refugee camps on 16-17 September 1982. Arabs were enraged, Israelis were horrified: at least 400,000 protested in the streets of Tel Aviv on 24 September 1982. In this same general period, Israeli warplanes boldly struck at the nuclear reactor under construction at Tuwaitah, Iraq; they took off from the Etzion base in the Sinai at 4:00 pm on 7 June 1981. "With the setting sun behind them," they dropped bombs that penetrated the protective dome and destroyed the reactor inside. (6) Continuing the campaign against the PLO, Israeli planes flew 1500 miles across the Mediterranean to bomb PLO headquarters 12 miles south of Tunis, Tunisia, on 1 October 1985, destroying Yassir Arafat's political headquarters and residence and those of several other PLO officials. On 5 October 1986 the London Sunday Times published a story on Israeli nuclear armaments, using insider information supplied by Mordechai Vanunu. The article asserted that Israel possessed 100-200 nuclear weapons. Vanunu subsequently disappeared from London, then was secretly tried and imprisoned in Israel. The next major flare-up was the Palestinian intifadeh (uprising), which began 9 December 1987 as a spontaneous protest of 20 years of Israeli rule and Jewish settlement in the Occupied Territories. The second intifadeh began in response to Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount, sacred to Muslims, on 28 September 2000 at 7:30 a.m. (7) Milestones in the peace process include: the Camp David Preliminary Agreement (Egypt-Israel) of 17 September 1978 (following the total lunar eclipse the previous day); formal peace treaty of 26 March 1979; Oslo accord (PLO-Israel) of 13 September 1993; Israel-Jordan treaty of 26 October 1994; the Wye Agreement on West Bank and Gaza Strip territories of 23 October 1998 (ceremony concluded at 5:44 pm EDT, 38N50/76W05 -- because of the beginning of Sabbath at 6:00 pm) (8) (1) A History of Israel, Howard M. Sachar, New York: Knopf, 1996; pp. 639, 658 (2) Sachar, p. 654 (3) Chronicle of the Twentieth Century, Mount Kisco, NY: Chronicle Books, 1987, p. 1052 (4) Sachar, p. 755 (5) source unknown (6) Sachar, p. 879 (7) www.canadazone.com/palestine/events.htm (8) source unknown Peter Doughty: pdoughty * Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes is available for £39. Details are available by emailing BWH. Back to top For More Information: Sharon: New man or old warrior? www.msnbc.com/news/525794.asp Encarta's History of Israel: encarta.msn.com/find/concise.asp?ti=761575008 & sid=33#s33 Key events in the history of Israel: detnews.com/1998/metrox/israel/history/history.htm CNN's timeline of Israeli statehood: www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/israel/timeline/ "Land for peace" is a basic formula in the Middle East so these two map sites are helpful in understanding the conflict. A wildly slanted telling of Israeli history, but the successive maps are very instructive: www.unitedjerusalem.com/.../maps_and_history.asp Another map site: www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/index.html General information about Israel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel Best wishes Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 12:53:22 PMRe: Blog: Birth of Israel Dear friends, once explained that Rahu gives econcroachment tendency. I have added the following insight into the article, with a helpful graph to make the following point: "The dispute of the Israelis and Palestinian arabs centers on the encroachment tendency of the Israeli's on land in Palestine since the creation of the state six decades ago. This is consistent with Rahu exactly afflicting the 4th house of real estate, land and natural resources."http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html Once we begin to explore an authentic chart, it begins to reveal the salient tendencies, including the once that serve as a basis of constant difficulty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM Blog: Birth of Israel Sunday, December 28, 2008 Birth of Israel There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine. To read more: http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Thor, Namasthe.Thanks for this history of Israel and analysis.I'll read it soon. Sincere good wishes Sankara Address:"Ashirvad", 2/507, III Cross street,Sunrise Avenue, Neelangarai, Chennai - 600041.Ph#s: 91 44 24491233; Mob:9884010548 email: sankarawebsite: www.hinduworldastrology.net - Cosmologer SAMVA Friday, January 02, 2009 4:45 AM Re: Blog: Birth of Israel Dear friends, In case someone on the list has the time and interest to to study the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel, I append (links to) information about significant events in the history of the country. http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/IsraelState.htm Biography On May 15th, the day after the United Nations created the state of Israel, Israel was attacked by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan. A 15 month battle for independence ensued. The next major crisis after the war of independence was the Suez crisis of 1956. On 26 July Egyptian Pres. Nasser nationalized the canal, cautioning that Israeli shipping through it would not receive protection. Israeli troops invaded the Sinai peninsula 29 October, aided by the bombing of Egyptian airfields by British and French planes 31 October, and a cease-fire began 7 November. The Six-Day War of 1967 resulted in Israel's conquest of the Sinai plus the Gaza and West Bank territories and East Jerusalem (formerly under Jordanian control) and the Golan Heights (formerly belonging to Syria). Military historians generally consider Israel's strategy and execution to have been brilliant, a "text-book" case. "At 7:10 a.m. of June 5, Major General Mordechai Hod, commander of Israel's air force, radioed the attack order from the operations room of the defense ministry in Tel Aviv. ... The Six-Day War ended officially at 6:30 p.m., Israel time, on June 10." (1) The Jewish holy site known as the Western Wall (Wailing Wall) was taken by Israeli soldiers on 7 June at approximately 9:00 a.m. (2) An event that shocked the world was the assault by Palestinian gunmen on Israeli athletes at the Summer Olympics in Munich, Germany; this was on 5 September 1972, beginning at 5:00 a.m. (3) It was a horrific spasm in a period of simmering tension, and Israel's military promptly retaliated by bombing and strafing Palestinian guerrilla bases in Lebanon and Syria. The 1973 war, often called the Yom Kippur War, began on 6 October: "at 2:00 p.m., as the Israeli cabinet was gathered in emergency session, a military aide suddenly entered the conference room and whispered urgently to [Prime Minister] Mrs. [Golda] Meir. The enemy onslaught had begun." (4) Within two weeks, the Egyptian attack on the Sinai frontier had been blunted as Israeli units crossed the Suez Canal and trapped Egypt's 3rd Army; a cease-fire with Egypt was formally signed 11 November. On the Syrian front, the battle was more protracted, and a cease-fire agreement was not reached until 31 May 1974. A major Israeli political shift took place in the wake of the 1973-74 war: the organization of the hard-line Likud Party, led by Menachem Begin. The Labour Party had been in power since independence, but Likud replaced Labour in the election of 13 May 1977. Northern Israeli settlements continued to be harassed from across the Lebanese border, leading Israel to launch an invasion 6 June 1982, reportedly beginning at 11:00 a.m. local time (5); a massive bombardment of PLO targets in Lebanon had begun on 4 June. It was a costly operation for Israel, and Israel continued to occupy a "security zone" in southern Lebanon until 24 May 2000. A major objective of the invasion was to expel the PLO from Lebanon, and in the process Israeli forces, directed by Ariel Sharon, were at least complicit in the massacre of thousands of Palestinian men, women and children at two refugee camps on 16-17 September 1982. Arabs were enraged, Israelis were horrified: at least 400,000 protested in the streets of Tel Aviv on 24 September 1982. In this same general period, Israeli warplanes boldly struck at the nuclear reactor under construction at Tuwaitah, Iraq; they took off from the Etzion base in the Sinai at 4:00 pm on 7 June 1981. "With the setting sun behind them," they dropped bombs that penetrated the protective dome and destroyed the reactor inside. (6) Continuing the campaign against the PLO, Israeli planes flew 1500 miles across the Mediterranean to bomb PLO headquarters 12 miles south of Tunis, Tunisia, on 1 October 1985, destroying Yassir Arafat's political headquarters and residence and those of several other PLO officials. On 5 October 1986 the London Sunday Times published a story on Israeli nuclear armaments, using insider information supplied by Mordechai Vanunu. The article asserted that Israel possessed 100-200 nuclear weapons. Vanunu subsequently disappeared from London, then was secretly tried and imprisoned in Israel. The next major flare-up was the Palestinian intifadeh (uprising), which began 9 December 1987 as a spontaneous protest of 20 years of Israeli rule and Jewish settlement in the Occupied Territories. The second intifadeh began in response to Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount, sacred to Muslims, on 28 September 2000 at 7:30 a.m. (7) Milestones in the peace process include: the Camp David Preliminary Agreement (Egypt-Israel) of 17 September 1978 (following the total lunar eclipse the previous day); formal peace treaty of 26 March 1979; Oslo accord (PLO-Israel) of 13 September 1993; Israel-Jordan treaty of 26 October 1994; the Wye Agreement on West Bank and Gaza Strip territories of 23 October 1998 (ceremony concluded at 5:44 pm EDT, 38N50/76W05 -- because of the beginning of Sabbath at 6:00 pm) (8) (1) A History of Israel, Howard M. Sachar, New York: Knopf, 1996; pp. 639, 658 (2) Sachar, p. 654 (3) Chronicle of the Twentieth Century, Mount Kisco, NY: Chronicle Books, 1987, p. 1052 (4) Sachar, p. 755 (5) source unknown (6) Sachar, p. 879 (7) www.canadazone.com/palestine/events.htm (8) source unknown Peter Doughty: pdoughty (AT) drizzle (DOT) mm.com * Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes is available for £39. Details are available by emailing BWH.co.uk. Back to top For More Information: Sharon: New man or old warrior? www.msnbc.com/news/525794.asp Encarta's History of Israel: encarta.msn.com/find/concise.asp?ti=761575008 & sid=33#s33 Key events in the history of Israel: detnews.com/1998/metrox/israel/history/history.htm CNN's timeline of Israeli statehood: www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/israel/timeline/ "Land for peace" is a basic formula in the Middle East so these two map sites are helpful in understanding the conflict. A wildly slanted telling of Israeli history, but the successive maps are very instructive: www.unitedjerusalem.com/.../maps_and_history.asp Another map site: www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/index.html General information about Israel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel Best wishes Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2009 12:53:22 PMRe: Blog: Birth of Israel Dear friends, once explained that Rahu gives econcroachment tendency. I have added the following insight into the article, with a helpful graph to make the following point: "The dispute of the Israelis and Palestinian arabs centers on the encroachment tendency of the Israeli's on land in Palestine since the creation of the state six decades ago. This is consistent with Rahu exactly afflicting the 4th house of real estate, land and natural resources."http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html Once we begin to explore an authentic chart, it begins to reveal the salient tendencies, including the once that serve as a basis of constant difficulty. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >samva Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM Blog: Birth of Israel Sunday, December 28, 2008 Birth of Israel There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine. To read more: http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear friends, In the evening of December 3rd, Israel escalated the conflict with Hamas by entering Gaza Strip. BBC is now reporting: "Israeli troops battle Hamas militants as ground forces and tanks go into Gaza after a week of intense air strikes." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7810270.stm The most effective way to test the authenticity of mundane charts is to make predictions against them. One prediction made on December 28th, on the basis of the 21° Capricorn rising (midnight) chart for Israel, has now come true. "While the problems may be reduced slightly as the aspect of transit Jupiter to natal Sun clears, the transit of the Sun in the 12th house into the aspect of Rahu in the 4th house, around January 5th, 2009, may result in additional acts of violence."http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.htmlThe entry of the Israel Army into Gaza took place when transitSun at 19° 32' Sagittarius and 12th house had moved into the trinalaspect of natal Rahu at 20° 53' Aries and 4th house - slightly over1° orb. The aspect becomes exact at 00:23 am (Israel time) on January5th. The SA astrological factors behind this prediction are as follows: - Moon/Sun period is operating, with Sun as MMP for Capricorn ascendant - transit 12th lord Jupiter is afflicting natal 8th lord Sun (aspect within 5° orb) - transit 8th lord Sun is now in 12th house where it is closely afflicted by natal FM Rahu in the 4th houseA second prediction for a bigger event is on January 29th. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM Blog: Birth of Israel Sunday, December 28, 2008 Birth of Israel There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine. To read more: http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 -HEllo all, I am new on this list. I am an strologer and numerologist, living in Israel. I have a web.site, you are all invited to read my articles. I would like to add here my ( & other Israeli astrologers) wiew on the birth hour of the state. Ben Gurion announced the state at 16.38. I use this hour, which gives a scorpio rising. I think for a nation who came back from the ashes and fought from the first moment to build a country this ascendant is more valid than others. Regarding the war in Gaza, it started on the 27th of December, when tr,Mars opposed n.Venus, on a new moon, at 11.30. am a surprise attack. the Moon was on 4 Cap.3.1.when Moon was on Asc of the 27th of Dec. the ground forces went in. 7.1 when Moon moved to Gemini the peace talks started. meanwhile Mercury and Saturn turned retro, which in my humble opinion shows that this will last. yours friendly, Gabriellahttp://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear friends,> > In the evening of December 3rd, Israel escalated the conflict with Hamas by entering Gaza Strip. BBC is now reporting:> > "Israeli troops battle Hamas militants as ground forces and tanks go into Gaza after a week of intense air strikes." > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7810270.stm> > The most effective way to test the authenticity of mundane charts is to make predictions against them. > > One prediction made on December 28th, on the basis of the 21° Capricorn rising (midnight) chart for Israel, has now come true. "While the problems may be reduced slightly as the aspect of transit Jupiter to natal Sun clears, the transit of the Sun in the 12th house into the aspect of Rahu in the 4th house, around January 5th, 2009, may result in additional acts of violence."> http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html> > The entry of the Israel Army into Gaza took place when transit> Sun at 19° 32' Sagittarius and 12th house had moved into the trinal> aspect of natal Rahu at 20° 53' Aries and 4th house - slightly over> 1° orb. The aspect becomes exact at 00:23 am (Israel time) on January> 5th.> > The SA astrological factors behind this prediction are as follows:> - Moon/Sun period is operating, with Sun as MMP for Capricorn ascendant> - transit 12th lord Jupiter is afflicting natal 8th lord Sun (aspect within 5° orb) > - transit 8th lord Sun is now in 12th house where it is closely afflicted by natal FM Rahu in the 4th house> > A second prediction for a bigger event is on January 29th.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > > > ________________________________> Cosmologer cosmologer samva > Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM> Blog: Birth of Israel> > > Sunday, December 28, 2008 > Birth of Israel > There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine.> > To read more:> http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hello Gabriella, Welcome to SAMVA. Thank you for the post on the chart for Israel and your views on the matter. For the past ten years SA astrologers have been grappling with the question of authentic mundane charts for a number of countries. Our findings have not always been consistent with the prevailing consensus. A leading example is the SAMVA USA chart, which is based on a quite different historical event that for example the popular Sibley chart. There are good reasons for this. As for the chart for Israel, let me mention that on the blog (http://cosmologer.blogspot.com) the reasons for considering the midnight hour are given. Did you read it? In particular, the Declaration for the Establishment of the State of Israel mentions that the state takes effect at midnight, when the British Mandate Expired. Ben Gurion stated this time in reading the declaration. There are many other reasons for selecting this time, as explained on the blog. The view developed on SAMVA with regard to national charts is further based on SA, which has been shown to be an effective method of horoscope interpretation and prediction. Based on SA, there are good astrological grounds to think that the horoscope with 21° Capricorn ascendant is the authentic one for the state of Israel. The salient reasons, include the following - the placement of the malefic Moon's nodes (Rahu and Ketu) exactly on the 'most effective points' of the 4th and 10th houses, indicating serious problems at the moment of birth of the new state. Indeed, the new coutnry was invaded on the following day, starting the war of independence. - the placement of the Moon at 15° Cancer and 7th house, which explains the present crisis, due to the stationary nodes being at 15° Capricorn and Cancer. This is not the case for the earlier times as the Moon is then at 10°-11° Cancer and not so much affected by the nodal station. The Sun sub period is now operating giving importance to the Sun in transit. Indeed, the Sun's transit in the 12th house through the aspect of natal Rahu in the 4th house and its passage in the 12th house has been predicted to cause problems. Indeed, the invasion into Gaza started just over 24 hours before this aspect became exact. Moreover, the situation may improve later this week as transit Sun moves out of Sagittarius and 12th house. That said, it is predicted that there will be a significant setback for Israel towards the end of January as the transit Sun becomes conjunct the transit stationary nodal axis. Indeed, on SAMVA we try to decide charts on a combination of criteria, including - historical merit - natal potential - ability to explain past events (through periods and transits) however, the real proof of the pudding is in the eating. It is critical to make repeat accurate predictions to establish the value of the chart and to remove any doubt. In this case, the prediction for the nodal station at the end of the month is critical. Let us see how it goes. Please feel free to also present predictions based on the 4.38pm chart. As you are now on SAMVA, if you are interested to study the SA method, please feel free to peruse the free educational material on www.yournetastrologer.com. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , " GM " <gabymitt wrote: > > > -HEllo all, > > I am new on this list. > I am an strologer and numerologist, living in Israel. > I have a web.site, you are all invited to read my articles. > > I would like to add here my ( & other Israeli astrologers) wiew on the > birth hour of the state. > > Ben Gurion announced the state at 16.38. I use this hour, which gives a > scorpio rising. I think for a nation who came back from the ashes and > fought from the first moment to build a country this ascendant is more > valid than others. > Regarding the war in Gaza, it started on the 27th of December, when > tr,Mars opposed n.Venus, on a new moon, at 11.30. am a surprise attack. > > the Moon was on 4 Cap. > 3.1.when Moon was on Asc of the 27th of Dec. the ground forces went in. > 7.1 when Moon moved to Gemini the peace talks started. > meanwhile Mercury and Saturn turned retro, which in my humble opinion > shows that this will last. > > yours friendly, > Gabriella > http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI > <http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI> > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In the evening of December 3rd, Israel escalated the conflict with > Hamas by entering Gaza Strip. BBC is now reporting: > > > > " Israeli troops battle Hamas militants as ground forces and tanks go > into Gaza after a week of intense air strikes. " > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7810270.stm > > > > The most effective way to test the authenticity of mundane charts is > to make predictions against them. > > > > One prediction made on December 28th, on the basis of the 21° > Capricorn rising (midnight) chart for Israel, has now come true. " While > the problems may be reduced slightly as the aspect of transit Jupiter to > natal Sun clears, the transit of the Sun in the 12th house into the > aspect of Rahu in the 4th house, around January 5th, 2009, may result in > additional acts of violence. " > > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html > > > > The entry of the Israel Army into Gaza took place when transit > > Sun at 19° 32' Sagittarius and 12th house had moved into the trinal > > aspect of natal Rahu at 20° 53' Aries and 4th house - slightly over > > 1° orb. The aspect becomes exact at 00:23 am (Israel time) on > January > > 5th. > > > > The SA astrological factors behind this prediction are as follows: > > - Moon/Sun period is operating, with Sun as MMP for Capricorn > ascendant > > - transit 12th lord Jupiter is afflicting natal 8th lord Sun (aspect > within 5° orb) > > - transit 8th lord Sun is now in 12th house where it is closely > afflicted by natal FM Rahu in the 4th house > > > > A second prediction for a bigger event is on January 29th. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Cosmologer cosmologer@ > > samva > > Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM > > Blog: Birth of Israel > > > > > > Sunday, December 28, 2008 > > Birth of Israel > > There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the > State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel > unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a > process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state > in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for > Palestine. > > > > To read more: > > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hello Thor, thanks for welcoming me. I read with great interest the sidereal chart, of 15 May. I understand what you mean there, but looking at the chart, it " does not fit " for me... Having the Asc. in Cap. puts Saturn in the 7th, as if Israel would be his own enemy. On the Other hand, house 7, the open enemies is in Cancer.. Can we consider the Arabs who were and are fighting against Israel as a soft cancer? The Moon?? The 5th house is the army, right? Would Venus signify it? It's difficult for me to see this chart.. So I'll just go on with my hour. However, looking as SA charts is very interesting. thank you, Gaby SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello Gabriella, > > Welcome to SAMVA. > > Thank you for the post on the chart for Israel and your views on the > matter. For the past ten years SA astrologers have been grappling > with the question of authentic mundane charts for a number of > countries. Our findings have not always been consistent with the > prevailing consensus. A leading example is the SAMVA USA chart, which > is based on a quite different historical event that for example the > popular Sibley chart. There are good reasons for this. > > As for the chart for Israel, let me mention that on the blog > (http://cosmologer.blogspot.com) the reasons for considering the > midnight hour are given. Did you read it? In particular, the > Declaration for the Establishment of the State of Israel mentions > that the state takes effect at midnight, when the British Mandate > Expired. Ben Gurion stated this time in reading the declaration. > There are many other reasons for selecting this time, as explained on > the blog. > > The view developed on SAMVA with regard to national charts is further > based on SA, which has been shown to be an effective method of > horoscope interpretation and prediction. Based on SA, there are good > astrological grounds to think that the horoscope with 21° Capricorn > ascendant is the authentic one for the state of Israel. The salient > reasons, include the following > > - the placement of the malefic Moon's nodes (Rahu and Ketu) exactly > on the 'most effective points' of the 4th and 10th houses, indicating > serious problems at the moment of birth of the new state. Indeed, the > new coutnry was invaded on the following day, starting the war of > independence. > > - the placement of the Moon at 15° Cancer and 7th house, which > explains the present crisis, due to the stationary nodes being at 15° > Capricorn and Cancer. This is not the case for the earlier times as > the Moon is then at 10°-11° Cancer and not so much affected by the > nodal station. > > The Sun sub period is now operating giving importance to the Sun in > transit. Indeed, the Sun's transit in the 12th house through the > aspect of natal Rahu in the 4th house and its passage in the 12th > house has been predicted to cause problems. Indeed, the invasion into > Gaza started just over 24 hours before this aspect became exact. > Moreover, the situation may improve later this week as transit Sun > moves out of Sagittarius and 12th house. That said, it is predicted > that there will be a significant setback for Israel towards > the end of January as the transit Sun becomes conjunct the transit > stationary nodal axis. > > Indeed, on SAMVA we try to decide charts on a combination of > criteria, including > - historical merit > - natal potential > - ability to explain past events (through periods and transits) > > however, the real proof of the pudding is in the eating. It is > critical to make repeat accurate predictions to establish the value > of the chart and to remove any doubt. In this case, the > prediction for the nodal station at the end of the month is > critical. Let us see how it goes. Please feel free to also present > predictions based on the 4.38pm chart. > > As you are now on SAMVA, if you are interested to study the SA > method, please feel free to peruse the free educational material on > www.yournetastrologer.com. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , " GM " <gabymitt@> wrote: > > > > > > -HEllo all, > > > > I am new on this list. > > I am an strologer and numerologist, living in Israel. > > I have a web.site, you are all invited to read my articles. > > > > I would like to add here my ( & other Israeli astrologers) wiew on > the > > birth hour of the state. > > > > Ben Gurion announced the state at 16.38. I use this hour, which > gives a > > scorpio rising. I think for a nation who came back from the ashes > and > > fought from the first moment to build a country this ascendant is > more > > valid than others. > > Regarding the war in Gaza, it started on the 27th of December, when > > tr,Mars opposed n.Venus, on a new moon, at 11.30. am a surprise > attack. > > > > the Moon was on 4 Cap. > > 3.1.when Moon was on Asc of the 27th of Dec. the ground forces went > in. > > 7.1 when Moon moved to Gemini the peace talks started. > > meanwhile Mercury and Saturn turned retro, which in my humble > opinion > > shows that this will last. > > > > yours friendly, > > Gabriella > > http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI > > <http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI> > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > In the evening of December 3rd, Israel escalated the conflict with > > Hamas by entering Gaza Strip. BBC is now reporting: > > > > > > " Israeli troops battle Hamas militants as ground forces and tanks > go > > into Gaza after a week of intense air strikes. " > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7810270.stm > > > > > > The most effective way to test the authenticity of mundane charts > is > > to make predictions against them. > > > > > > One prediction made on December 28th, on the basis of the 21° > > Capricorn rising (midnight) chart for Israel, has now come > true. " While > > the problems may be reduced slightly as the aspect of transit > Jupiter to > > natal Sun clears, the transit of the Sun in the 12th house into the > > aspect of Rahu in the 4th house, around January 5th, 2009, may > result in > > additional acts of violence. " > > > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html > > > > > > The entry of the Israel Army into Gaza took place when transit > > > Sun at 19° 32' Sagittarius and 12th house had moved into the > trinal > > > aspect of natal Rahu at 20° 53' Aries and 4th house - slightly > over > > > 1° orb. The aspect becomes exact at 00:23 am (Israel time) on > > January > > > 5th. > > > > > > The SA astrological factors behind this prediction are as follows: > > > - Moon/Sun period is operating, with Sun as MMP for Capricorn > > ascendant > > > - transit 12th lord Jupiter is afflicting natal 8th lord Sun > (aspect > > within 5° orb) > > > - transit 8th lord Sun is now in 12th house where it is closely > > afflicted by natal FM Rahu in the 4th house > > > > > > A second prediction for a bigger event is on January 29th. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Cosmologer cosmologer@ > > > samva > > > Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM > > > Blog: Birth of Israel > > > > > > > > > Sunday, December 28, 2008 > > > Birth of Israel > > > There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of > the > > State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when > Israel > > unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a > > process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish > state > > in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for > > Palestine. > > > > > > To read more: > > > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hello Gaby, It is great to have an astrologer from Israel on the list to discuss the likely authentic horoscope for the country. I am also aware that the understanding of a horoscope is very dependent on the system one uses. In view of that I repost, for your information, a chapter on mundane astrology wrote some years ago in an earlier edition of his well known book "Systems' Approach to Interpreting Horoscopes". This chapter has likely been expanded or revised in the most recent edition of this book. Importantly, that book explains some of the key ingredients of the system. However, a review of the following list of mundane indications may be helpful to you in order tounderstand the logic of reading horoscope placements as per SA. Towards the end of this post, I then shed some light on Saturn and Moon in the 7th house as per SA. ===========MUNDANE ASTROLOGYby Professor V.K. Choudhry [from “Systems' Approach for Interpreting Horoscopes,” Revised and enlarged edition, Sagar, New Delhi, 2002]. Mundane astrology deals with the planetary influences through signs and planetary periods in the charts of nations, cities, organizations, corporations, business organizations, etc. etc. It covers objectives and goals of nations, their wealth, political stability, financial position, development, relationship with other countries/nations, natural calamities, public health, infrastructure development, national income, spiritual pursuits followed by its people, etc. etc. The impacts are seen through the houses which, govern certain specific aspects of national life/organization life; through the signs which show the level of influence; and the planets which show their results through their placement in the chart, their strength, their functional nature and their relationship with other planets/houses through conjunctions and aspects. The influences are seen particularly which are either close to the most effective points of the various houses or through those houses, which contain mooltrikona signs of various planets. The planetary influences for the countries are also seen through the charts of the rulers/chief political executives at different points of time in the life of a nation. In fact the charts of nations and the charts of the rulers/chief political executives work in consonance with each other. The various houses in a nations chart represent the following aspects of a nation's life: First HouseThe general conditions of the country as a whole, people and their general outlook, state of law and order, public health, government, reputation, valor and its position in the world. Second HouseThe second house primarily deals with national wealth, status and relationships within country and with neighbors. It also rules the purchasing power of the people, financial stability, national income, strength of currency, budget and balance of trade. Third HouseThe third house rules with the communication of the Government with the public, means of communications in the country including transport, media, telecommunications and information technology. It governs the authors, philosophers, philosophical thought, literature and literary persons, education and infra-structural facilities in the country besides governing democracy and peace talks. Fourth HouseThe fourth house rules the nation's natural resources, agriculture, mines, minerals, landed properties, peace, general and political stability, natural calamities, educational institutions, law and order, housing and communal harmony. Fifth House The fifth house rules intellectuals, emotional stability, communal harmony, speculative nature of the people, investments, stock exchange, children, population, universities, morals and values of the people. Sixth houseThe sixth house rules public amity, relations with neighbors, general health of the public, political stability, financial solvency of the nation, litigations, judicial functioning, communal harmony in the country and labour relations. Seventh HouseThe seventh house rules with cabinet and internal affairs, pleasures, pleasure and amusement resorts, tourism, bond of relationships amongst masses and business establishments, foreign affairs and agreements. Eighth HouseThe eighth house rules beliefs of the masses, red-tapism, speed of execution of works, delays and obstructions, accidents, fatal accidents, epidemics, gold and precious stones, legacies, capital gains, floods, earthquakes, cyclones, storms, etc. Ninth HouseJudicial system, morality, religion, diplomats, foreign missions, progress and development. Tenth HouseExecutive, parliament, administration, foreign trade, law and order. Eleventh HouseIncome, gains, and future plans. Twelfth HouseFinancial losses, expenditure, mishaps, group hospitalizations, foreign debt, wars and smuggling. The planets rule the following significations: SUN: The Government, Prime Minister, President of the country, police, first and ninth houses. MOON: The Administrator, the Cabinet, resources, fourth and seventh houses. MARS: Army, police and anti-social elements when under the influence of Rahu or the lord of the eighth or twelfth house. Mars signifies third and tenth houses. MERCURY: Strategists, advisors to head of state and intellectuals. JUPITER: Diplomatic attaches, advisors to head of state, teachers, judiciary and banking systems. VENUS: Resources, hotels, women folk, cinema industry, arts and leisure industry. SATURN: Civil servants, low technology industry and mines. RAHU: Diplomatic moves, manipulations and deceit. KETU: Natural calamities, violent (actions or events)=========== "With the 2nd lord Saturn on the most effective point of the 7th house of foreign relations, Israel has quite a bit of authority internationally. With the 7th lord Moon well placed and strong in its own 7th house, gives Israel, as a country, a prominent international dimension. As the Moon is debilitated in the Navamsa (9th divisional) chart, its strength is reduced, undermining the contribution of the Moon in this regard and making the country vulnerable to setbacks when the Moon is afflicted in transit." "The nodal station harming the Moon is expected to keep things tense for some months and has already resulted in a setback for peace in the country and placed a strain on the country's foreign policy." http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html In other words, the 7th house is where we look to understand the foreign policy. Enemity is seen through the 6th house. Indeed, in recent weeks Israel has come under increasing pressure in its "foreign policy". Today, Ban Ki Moon, Secretary General of the United Nations called for Israel to call off the attacks. News: Protesters across Europe call for end to Gaza conflict Thousands of demonstrators marched through cities across Europe on Saturday, calling for an immediate end to Israel's attacks on Gaza. updated Fri January 9, 2009 Israel, Hamas brush off U.N. cease-fire resolution Israel continued its offensive in Gaza on Friday, hitting more than 70 targets, despite the U.N. Security Council's call for an immediate cease-fire. Indeed, with natal Ketu afflicting (trinal aspect) the most effective point (MEP) of the 6th house of open enemity and conflict and natal Rahu afflicting the MEP of the 12th house of foreign matters and secret enemies, there is plenty of karma seen in the Capricorn rising chart for Israel for such things. In any event, the outcome of the prediction based on this chart towards the end of this month will be important for our confidence in it. Let me add that I hope a peaceful solution will soon be found for the people of Israel and the Gaza. It is so terribly sad to see innocents hurt by such conflict. Best wishes, Thor GM <gabymittSAMVA Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:25:45 PM Re: Blog: Birth of IsraelHello Thor,thanks for welcoming me. I read with great interest the sidereal chart, of 15 May.I understand what you mean there, but looking at the chart, it " does not fit " for me... Having the Asc. in Cap. puts Saturn in the 7th, as if Israel would be his own enemy. On the Other hand, house 7, the open enemies is in Cancer.. Can we consider the Arabs who were and are fighting against Israel as a soft cancer? The Moon??The 5th house is the army, right? Would Venus signify it?It's difficult for me to see this chart.. So I'll just go on with my hour. However, looking as SA charts is very interesting. thank you, GabySAMVA , "cosmologer" <cosmologer wrote:>> Hello Gabriella,> > Welcome to SAMVA.> > Thank you for the post on the chart for Israel and your views on the > matter. For the past ten years SA astrologers have been grappling > with the question of authentic mundane charts for a number of > countries. Our findings have not always been consistent with the > prevailing consensus. A leading example is the SAMVA USA chart, which > is based on a quite different historical event that for example the > popular Sibley chart. There are good reasons for this.> > As for the chart for Israel, let me mention that on the blog > (http://cosmologer.blogspot.com) the reasons for considering the > midnight hour are given. Did you read it? In particular, the > Declaration for the Establishment of the State of Israel mentions > that the state takes effect at midnight, when the British Mandate > Expired. Ben Gurion stated this time in reading the declaration. > There are many other reasons for selecting this time, as explained on > the blog. > > The view developed on SAMVA with regard to national charts is further > based on SA, which has been shown to be an effective method of > horoscope interpretation and prediction. Based on SA, there are good > astrological grounds to think that the horoscope with 21° Capricorn > ascendant is the authentic one for the state of Israel. The salient > reasons, include the following> > - the placement of the malefic Moon's nodes (Rahu and Ketu) exactly > on the 'most effective points' of the 4th and 10th houses, indicating > serious problems at the moment of birth of the new state. Indeed, the > new coutnry was invaded on the following day, starting the war of > independence.> > - the placement of the Moon at 15° Cancer and 7th house, which > explains the present crisis, due to the stationary nodes being at 15° > Capricorn and Cancer. This is not the case for the earlier times as > the Moon is then at 10°-11° Cancer and not so much affected by the > nodal station.> > The Sun sub period is now operating giving importance to the Sun in > transit. Indeed, the Sun's transit in the 12th house through the > aspect of natal Rahu in the 4th house and its passage in the 12th > house has been predicted to cause problems. Indeed, the invasion into > Gaza started just over 24 hours before this aspect became exact. > Moreover, the situation may improve later this week as transit Sun > moves out of Sagittarius and 12th house. That said, it is predicted > that there will be a significant setback for Israel towards > the end of January as the transit Sun becomes conjunct the transit > stationary nodal axis.> > Indeed, on SAMVA we try to decide charts on a combination of > criteria, including> - historical merit> - natal potential> - ability to explain past events (through periods and transits)> > however, the real proof of the pudding is in the eating. It is > critical to make repeat accurate predictions to establish the value > of the chart and to remove any doubt. In this case, the > prediction for the nodal station at the end of the month is > critical. Let us see how it goes. Please feel free to also present > predictions based on the 4.38pm chart.> > As you are now on SAMVA, if you are interested to study the SA > method, please feel free to peruse the free educational material on > www.yournetastrologer.com.> > Best wishes,> > Thor> > > > SAMVA , "GM" <gabymitt@> wrote:> >> > > > -HEllo all,> > > > I am new on this list.> > I am an strologer and numerologist, living in Israel.> > I have a web.site, you are all invited to read my articles.> > > > I would like to add here my ( & other Israeli astrologers) wiew on > the> > birth hour of the state.> > > > Ben Gurion announced the state at 16.38. I use this hour, which > gives a> > scorpio rising. I think for a nation who came back from the ashes > and> > fought from the first moment to build a country this ascendant is > more> > valid than others.> > Regarding the war in Gaza, it started on the 27th of December, when> > tr,Mars opposed n.Venus, on a new moon, at 11.30. am a surprise > attack.> > > > the Moon was on 4 Cap.> > 3.1.when Moon was on Asc of the 27th of Dec. the ground forces went > in.> > 7.1 when Moon moved to Gemini the peace talks started.> > meanwhile Mercury and Saturn turned retro, which in my humble > opinion> > shows that this will last.> > > > yours friendly,> > Gabriella> > http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI> > <http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI>> > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > >> > > In the evening of December 3rd, Israel escalated the conflict with> > Hamas by entering Gaza Strip. BBC is now reporting:> > >> > > "Israeli troops battle Hamas militants as ground forces and tanks > go> > into Gaza after a week of intense air strikes."> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7810270.stm> > >> > > The most effective way to test the authenticity of mundane charts > is> > to make predictions against them.> > >> > > One prediction made on December 28th, on the basis of the 21°> > Capricorn rising (midnight) chart for Israel, has now come > true. "While> > the problems may be reduced slightly as the aspect of transit > Jupiter to> > natal Sun clears, the transit of the Sun in the 12th house into the> > aspect of Rahu in the 4th house, around January 5th, 2009, may > result in> > additional acts of violence."> > > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/birth-of-israel.html> > >> > > The entry of the Israel Army into Gaza took place when transit> > > Sun at 19° 32' Sagittarius and 12th house had moved into the > trinal> > > aspect of natal Rahu at 20° 53' Aries and 4th house - slightly > over> > > 1° orb. The aspect becomes exact at 00:23 am (Israel time) on> > January> > > 5th.> > >> > > The SA astrological factors behind this prediction are as follows:> > > - Moon/Sun period is operating, with Sun as MMP for Capricorn> > ascendant> > > - transit 12th lord Jupiter is afflicting natal 8th lord Sun > (aspect> > within 5° orb)> > > - transit 8th lord Sun is now in 12th house where it is closely> > afflicted by natal FM Rahu in the 4th house> > >> > > A second prediction for a bigger event is on January 29th.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Thor> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ________________________________> > > Cosmologer cosmologer@> > > samva > > > Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM> > > Blog: Birth of Israel> > >> > >> > > Sunday, December 28, 2008> > > Birth of Israel> > > There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of > the> > State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when > Israel> > unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a> > process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish > state> > in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for> > Palestine.> > >> > > To read more:> > > http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/> > >> >>--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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