Re : Stocks in US drop further

March 2, 2009

Dear Jolastro,

You are welcome and thanks for the kind words.

Yes, at first look, you appear to be right about transit Saturn to natal Mars. In this regard, we should pay special attention to the natal and transit strength of Mars. The natal strength suggests the affliction will only produce strain, not setbacks to the indications of Mars. The debilitation of Mars at that time, suggests some further weakness and possible temporary setbacks. Perhaps growing protectionism (obstruction to trade) could become a problem for the US at that time?

Best wishes,

Thor

Astro Zem <zemastroSAMVA Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 9:48:38 PMRe : Stocks in US drop further

Hello Thor,Thank you for this very detailed explaination. It's always very pleasant and enlightening.to read your messages.About the transit of Saturn in Virgo, I just would like to ask something: from december to february, Saturn will exactly afflict 10L Mars in 5H. Doesn't this transit add some strain to foreign trade, stock exchange and investments, increasing difficulties in USA ? Moreover, during Mars affliction by 8L Saturn, Mars will be debilitatted in transit. As Cancer is 1H, this give some more strength to Mars, but from mid-december to mid-february, natal Mars will be under very high pressure.I know that much more informations can be deduced from this transit, and I'm impatient to read your conclusions.Best wishes,Jolastro

De : Cosmologer <cosmologerÀ : SAMVA Envoyé le : Lundi, 2 Mars 2009, 21h09mn 30sObjet : Re: Stocks in US drop further

Dear Armands,

Good question. As you will know, it is difficult to predict short term moves in share prices. They reflect so many things. However, let us look at the key challenging transits ahead in 2009 to see what they may suggest for the US financial market going forward. Overall it seems they may serve to keep situation in the stock market subdued for most of this year. Let me review the basic factors.

Saturn sub-period is operating within the Venus major period in the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual Union). This makes Saturn most important for reading the trends in the economy until April 2012. Saturn is natally strong, which is good for its indications. However, as Saturn afflicts the Sun as 2nd lord of wealth we can expect this period not to be so good for the progress of wealth in the country. This is more so as Saturn is also 8th lord in the chart. The periods of functional malefic planets are normally considered less auspicious than those of functional benefic planets.

Now lets look at important transit contacts in the chart, which suggest the significant events:

8th lord Saturn will become conjunct the most effective point of the 2nd house at 20° 00' Leo from April to June 2009. The conjunction is within 1° orb in May 2009. Fortunately, the aspect never becomes exact, reducing the impact. Moreover, transit Sun, as dispositor of Saturn and owner of the 2nd house, will mostly be strong in transit at this time, protecting its indications. Nevertheless, this would place strain on the wealth and status of the country. From September 2009 Saturn will be in the sign Virgo and 3rd house, a sun-like house, where it gains 25% additional strength (on top of the strength otherwise derived). This is the only

house that is not afflicted in the horoscope. Moreover, as Mercury is fairly strong and well placed natally in the chart, Saturn will be reasonably strong there. That said, Mercury in transit is alternating frequently between strength and weakness and this would make the indications of Saturn somewhat tender.

FMs Rahu and Ketu will become stationary at 6° 20' Capricorn and Cancer, respectively, from May to July 2009, where transit Rahu afflicts natal 1st lord Moon at 7° 19' Taurus and 11th house. This would place a strain on the self image of the Americans.

10th lord Mars will pass through the sign Gemini and 12th house in the first half of July 2009, which will reduce the confidence of investors. 2nd lord Sun will pass through Gemini and the 12th house from mid June until mid July 2009, adding to the concerns.

6th lord Jupiter will remain weak in transit for the next 14 months which suggests financial stability will remain fragile for all of tha time. In early May 2009 Jupiter moves from its sign of debilitation Capricorn to Aquarius and the 8th house. In August 2009 it moves back into Capricorn and then enters Aquarius again in December 2009 and moves fairly quickly through the 8th house until May 2010. Moreover, from September to November 2009 transit Jupiter will become stationary at 23° 30' Capricorn where it will closely afflict natal 2nd lord Sun in the SAMVA USA chart. This suggests acute

strain from the weak financial stability which will weigh heavily on the wealth and status of the country. The President and highly placed politicians may become caught up in controversy or conflict.

All of the above suggests that the situation will remain volatile for most of this year. There will likely be some improvement in the Autumn when Saturn, the sub-period lord, moves into Virgo. This has earlier been pointed out by . However, the aspect of transit Jupiter to the lord of wealth will likely keep the pressure on until mid November 2009. There will be some periods in between that the pressure is less and at those times the market may possibly do better.

In other words, I am not seeing indications for the stock market to turn bullish before then. Importantly, I am also not saying the market will turn bullish after that time either. I plan to look at the transits going beyond that time later.

I´d be interested in the views of other list members on this issue.

Best wishes,

Thor

Armands Birins <abirins (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Monday, March 2, 2009 6:47:18 PMRe: Stocks in US drop further

Dear Thor,

Situation looks very bearish. To your opinion, when the US market will turn to bullish side?

armands

On 3/2/09, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote:

Dear friends,

The outlook for the US economy is quite dim at the moment and the stock market is being pummeled ever lower.

Breaking News: Dow Jones falls below 7,000 points barrier as AIG's massive losses weigh heavily on market.

Mar 2, 2009 | 10:09AM US Market Open

DJIA 6920.2 -142.73 -2.02%

S & P 720.12 -14.97 -2..04%

NASDAQ 1360.63 -17.21 -1.25%

Dow slides below 7,000; AIG takes $62B hit

March 2, 2009 -- Updated 1451 GMT (2251 HKT)

Wall Street was braced for fresh punishment Monday with the benchmark Dow Jones sliding below 7,000 points straight off the opening bell after U.S. insurance giant AIG revealed monumental quarterly losses of $62 billion. Earlier, world markets dived as global banking group HSBC announced a record $17.7 billion cash call.

http://edition. cnn.com/2009/ BUSINESS/ 03/02/markets/ index.html

Astrologically:

- SATURN sub-period within the Venus major period is operating. The focus is on the indications of Saturn in the national life. Saturn rules the economy, working people, civil servants, traditional low tech activities, etc.

- transit 8th lord SATURN at 24° 53' is now both under aspect from natal Saturn at 26° 46' and in the MEP of the 2nd house, afflicting also houses 4 (fixed assets and communal harmony), 8 (easy gains) and 11 (income). The indications of the 4th house are especially vulnerable at this time, due to the natal weakness of Venus. The transit strength of Venus in the 9th house, gives some off-set at this time.

- nodal axis at 14° 48' Capricorn and Cancer is now disturbing natal 3rd lord MERCURY at 12° 05' Capricorn, undermining confidence, especially as also

- transit 3rd lord MERCURY and transit 10th lord MARS, both the main indicators of courage and investor sentiments, are at 26° 34' and 26° 13' Capricorn respectively, where they both receive the exact affliction by natal Saturn.

- transit 6th lord JUPITER, ruling financial stability and financial institutions, at 19° 03' Capricorn is closely afflicting the MEP of the 7th house at 20° 00' Capricorn, as well as house 11 (income), 1 (self) and 3 (courage). The 3rd house is especially vulnerable due to transit affliction of Mercury.

- transit Sun at 18° 11' Aquarius and 8th house is exactly afflicted by natal Ketu at 17° 47' Libra and 4th house.

In sum, the transits in the SAMVA USA chart are all-round difficult.

Best wishes,

Thor