Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dear friends, In an article Riddle of the oil price resolved (December 6, 2008), http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.html there is discussion of how the oil price has exhibited a clearly discernible pattern for over six decades involving the transit of Saturn, the general indicator of oil and those things mined from deep within the gound. This pattern is described in the article. Let me just say that when Saturn transits Leo the tendency is for the oil price to be higher than otherwise, but also to peak. It then declines until Saturn passes into Aries, where it is debilitated. At that time, the oil price cycle reaches bottom and afterwards begins to ascend again. Of course, there is plenty of volatility seen and this is linked to the variable transit conditions and myriad influences from all over the planet. A point of interest is the fact that, as you know, the price of oil has fallen dramatically since it peaked in July 2008 at over $133 per barrel of oil. In February 2009 the oil price was on average around $39. This represents a drop by about 70% (see graph in article or in attached jpg file). What could explain such a huge drop? More importantly, what could we expect ahead for the price of oil? SHARP DROP: financial crisis and declining demand for oil First the real world developments. The most explosive financial crisis in the world since the 1930 became intense in August and then all hell broke lose from mid September. The outlook for the US and international economy steadily worsened since that time. SATURN AFFLICTED IN TRANSIT: the oil price plunges from the highs of mid 2008 This is consistent with transit Jupiter afflicting transit Saturn. In September 2008 other difficult transits involving Saturn took place as seen in the SAMVA USA chart. These afflictions were described in the article Crisis in the fall. In November Saturn was again highly afflicted by Saturn, at which time another affliction emerged in the SAMVA USA chart, involving an aspect from natal Saturn to transit Saturn. This aspect is just now beginning to lift. In short, the drop in the oil price reflects the dramatic afflictions involving transit Saturn, both universally, but also in terms of the authentic horoscope for the USA. After all, the demand for oil in the USA is important for the oil price, which is also quoted in US dollars internationally. In short, the transit afflictions explain completely the development to date. SATURN IN LEO AND THEN VIRGO: generally a high oil price level Saturn in Leo is historically linked to the top in the oil price. It is likely that an unafflicted and strong Saturn will be linked to a higher oil price, more so as it is in Leo. The oil pirce, history shows, tends to remain fairly high while Saturn is passing through Virgo. However, this would likely only be seen when Saturn is unafflicted in transit. SATURN PERIOD IN SAMVA USA CHART: sluggish economy and weak demand In the Saturn period, the US economy would be expected to become more sluggish. It is likely that this is not good for the oil price, as the higher price depends on strong demand. Moreover, the oil prices is linked to global develeopments, and conditions in other countries are also important. All we know is that demand is weaker all over as well. SATURN CONJUNCT MEP OF H2 IN SAMVA USA CHART: Saturn weak from April to June 2009 Looking forward we can see that the affliction of 8th lord Saturn to the most effective point of the 2nd house in the SAMVA USA chart, where it is placed, will likely be associated with the weakness of Saturn albeit in the prosperous sign of Leo. This would then be expected to keep the oil price subdued. That said, the oil price is now at a super low level, reflecting the continous affliction of transit Saturn from August 2008 to February 2009. While it is not helpful for Saturn's indications that it is weak in transit, it is at least no longer receiving a strong afflicting aspect for the coming months. So how the oil price reacts to this situation will be interesting to follow in the first half of 2009. My hunch is that it could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008. CONCLUSION: in general, without affliction to Saturn, we would expect to see a higher oil price when Saturn is in the signs of Leo and Virgo. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Dear Vyas, This is not an easy question what will happen to the price of oil. The big question is what will happen after transit Saturn becomes stationary on the MEP of H2 in the SAMVA USA chart, which weakens its own placement, albeit the conjunction is just under 1° orb in May 2009 and doesn´t become exact in coming months. Importantly, transit 8th lord Saturn at these two points in Leo, the conjunction with MEP of 20° 00' Leo and aspect from natal Saturn to 26° 46' Leo, are not easy for its indications, even if in the auspicious sign Leo. Nevertheless, as the affliction of the MEP is going to be less intense than the recent afflictions involving transit Saturn, this would suggest some possible less intense result. On the other hand, the SAMVA USA chart is now running the Saturn sub-period which suggests sluggish demand conditions, which would contribute to keep the oil price subdued. So, it is not easy to predict how these countervailing karmic forces balance out with respect to the price of oil. As Saturn moves into Virgo in the fall, the price could recover a bit. In Virgo Saturn is free of natal afflictions but must contend with transit afflictions and the weakness of Mercury in transit. We'll soon see how the oil price evolves. Best wishes, Thor Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 1:04:54 AMRe: Follow up on the oil priceDear Thor and list members,(This is a good follow up to our recent off list conversation Thor).The next couple years can retain a stable price. It's even possible to retest the all time price area. This period should be followed by an overall weakness that spans two decades.In the very long term perspective, the next major bull run for oil will be around 2030. (Remember to adjust your metrics for inflation adjusted pricing, if you monitor this prediction for that long!)Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<samva >Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:18 PM Follow up on the oil priceDear friends,In an article Riddle of the oil price resolved (December 6, 2008),http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.htmlthere is discussion of how the oil price has exhibited a clearly discernible pattern for over six decades involving the transit of Saturn, the general indicator of oil and those things mined from deep within the gound.This pattern is described in the article. Let me just say that when Saturn transits Leo the tendency is for the oil price to be higher than otherwise, but also to peak. It then declines until Saturn passes into Aries, where it is debilitated. At that time, the oil price cycle reaches bottom and afterwards begins to ascend again. Of course, there is plenty of volatility seen and this is linked to the variable transit conditions and myriad influences from all over the planet.A point of interest is the fact that, as you know, the price of oil has fallen dramatically since it peaked in July 2008 at over $133 per barrel of oil. In February 2009 the oil price was on average around $39. This represents a drop by about 70% (see graph in article or in attached jpg file).What could explain such a huge drop?More importantly, what could we expect ahead for the price of oil?SHARP DROP: financial crisis and declining demand for oilFirst the real world developments. The most explosive financial crisis in the world since the 1930 became intense in August and then all hell broke lose from mid September. The outlook for the US and international economy steadily worsened since that time.SATURN AFFLICTED IN TRANSIT: the oil price plunges from the highs of mid 2008This is consistent with transit Jupiter afflicting transit Saturn. In September 2008 other difficult transits involving Saturn took place as seen in the SAMVA USA chart. These afflictions were described in the article Crisis in the fall. In November Saturn was again highly afflicted by Saturn, at which time another affliction emerged in the SAMVA USA chart, involving an aspect from natal Saturn to transit Saturn. This aspect is just now beginning to lift. In short, the drop in the oil price reflects the dramatic afflictions involving transit Saturn, both universally, but also in terms of the authentic horoscope for the USA. After all, the demand for oil in the USA is important for the oil price, which is also quoted in US dollars internationally. In short, the transit afflictions explain completely the development to date.SATURN IN LEO AND THEN VIRGO: generally a high oil price levelSaturn in Leo is historically linked to the top in the oil price. It is likely that an unafflicted and strong Saturn will be linked to a higher oil price, more so as it is in Leo. The oil pirce, history shows, tends to remain fairly high while Saturn is passing through Virgo. However, this would likely only be seen when Saturn is unafflicted in transit.SATURN PERIOD IN SAMVA USA CHART: sluggish economy and weak demandIn the Saturn period, the US economy would be expected to become more sluggish. It is likely that this is not good for the oil price, as the higher price depends on strong demand. Moreover, the oil prices is linked to global develeopments, and conditions in other countries are also important. All we know is that demand is weaker all over as well.SATURN CONJUNCT MEP OF H2 IN SAMVA USA CHART: Saturn weak from April to June 2009Looking forward we can see that the affliction of 8th lord Saturn to the most effective point of the 2nd house in the SAMVA USA chart, where it is placed, will likely be associated with the weakness of Saturn albeit in the prosperous sign of Leo. This would then be expected to keep the oil price subdued. That said, the oil price is now at a super low level, reflecting the continous affliction of transit Saturn from August 2008 to February 2009. While it is not helpful for Saturn's indications that it is weak in transit, it is at least no longer receiving a strong afflicting aspect for the coming months. So how the oil price reacts to this situation will be interesting to follow in the first half of 2009. My hunch is that it could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008.CONCLUSION: in general, without affliction to Saturn, we would expect to see a higher oil price when Saturn is in the signs of Leo and Virgo.Best wishes,Thor--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Dear friends, As predicted, the oil price has moved higher but is still well below prior highs. This situation is broadly in line with what is predicted. Oil prices reach new high for 2009 as dollar falls Oil hits high for 2009 as Fed actions send dollar plunging; OPEC cuts take hold Thursday March 19, 2009, 3:03 pm EDT NEW YORK (AP) -- A weakened dollar and evidence that OPEC has significantly slowed production sent oil prices soaring to new highs for the year Thursday. "I think we'll see higher oil prices for a while," said Michael Lynch, president of Strategic Energy & Economic Research. "There's an expectation that the market has bottomed out." Benchmark crude for April delivery surged $3.47, or 7 percent, to settle at $51.61 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Oil prices hit $52.25 earlier in the day, a price last seen on Dec. 1. Crude prices have touched new highs every day in intraday trading since OPEC ministers met in Vienna on Sunday. http://finance./news/Oil-hits-high-for-2009-as-apf-14689612.html Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 8:18:26 PM Follow up on the oil price Dear friends, In an article Riddle of the oil price resolved (December 6, 2008), http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.html there is discussion of how the oil price has exhibited a clearly discernible pattern for over six decades involving the transit of Saturn, the general indicator of oil and those things mined from deep within the gound. This pattern is described in the article. Let me just say that when Saturn transits Leo the tendency is for the oil price to be higher than otherwise, but also to peak. It then declines until Saturn passes into Aries, where it is debilitated. At that time, the oil price cycle reaches bottom and afterwards begins to ascend again. Of course, there is plenty of volatility seen and this is linked to the variable transit conditions and myriad influences from all over the planet. A point of interest is the fact that, as you know, the price of oil has fallen dramatically since it peaked in July 2008 at over $133 per barrel of oil. In February 2009 the oil price was on average around $39. This represents a drop by about 70% (see graph in article or in attached jpg file). What could explain such a huge drop? More importantly, what could we expect ahead for the price of oil? SHARP DROP: financial crisis and declining demand for oil First the real world developments. The most explosive financial crisis in the world since the 1930 became intense in August and then all hell broke lose from mid September. The outlook for the US and international economy steadily worsened since that time. SATURN AFFLICTED IN TRANSIT: the oil price plunges from the highs of mid 2008 This is consistent with transit Jupiter afflicting transit Saturn. In September 2008 other difficult transits involving Saturn took place as seen in the SAMVA USA chart. These afflictions were described in the article Crisis in the fall. In November Saturn was again highly afflicted by Saturn, at which time another affliction emerged in the SAMVA USA chart, involving an aspect from natal Saturn to transit Saturn. This aspect is just now beginning to lift. In short, the drop in the oil price reflects the dramatic afflictions involving transit Saturn, both universally, but also in terms of the authentic horoscope for the USA. After all, the demand for oil in the USA is important for the oil price, which is also quoted in US dollars internationally. In short, the transit afflictions explain completely the development to date. SATURN IN LEO AND THEN VIRGO: generally a high oil price level Saturn in Leo is historically linked to the top in the oil price. It is likely that an unafflicted and strong Saturn will be linked to a higher oil price, more so as it is in Leo. The oil pirce, history shows, tends to remain fairly high while Saturn is passing through Virgo. However, this would likely only be seen when Saturn is unafflicted in transit. SATURN PERIOD IN SAMVA USA CHART: sluggish economy and weak demand In the Saturn period, the US economy would be expected to become more sluggish. It is likely that this is not good for the oil price, as the higher price depends on strong demand. Moreover, the oil prices is linked to global develeopments, and conditions in other countries are also important. All we know is that demand is weaker all over as well. SATURN CONJUNCT MEP OF H2 IN SAMVA USA CHART: Saturn weak from April to June 2009 Looking forward we can see that the affliction of 8th lord Saturn to the most effective point of the 2nd house in the SAMVA USA chart, where it is placed, will likely be associated with the weakness of Saturn albeit in the prosperous sign of Leo. This would then be expected to keep the oil price subdued. That said, the oil price is now at a super low level, reflecting the continous affliction of transit Saturn from August 2008 to February 2009. While it is not helpful for Saturn's indications that it is weak in transit, it is at least no longer receiving a strong afflicting aspect for the coming months. So how the oil price reacts to this situation will be interesting to follow in the first half of 2009. My hunch is that it could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008. CONCLUSION: in general, without affliction to Saturn, we would expect to see a higher oil price when Saturn is in the signs of Leo and Virgo. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Dear friends, On December 6, 2008, I presented a discovery I made in an article Riddle of the oil price resolved http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.html The discovery is that when SATURN is in the sign of LEO the oil price level tends to reach a peak. This was seen in the first half of 2008 when Saturn was transiting Leo unafflicted. However, due to many afflictions to transit Saturn and notably as relates to the SAMVA USA chart, which reflects the conditions of a major oil consumer, the oil price began to collapse in the second half of the year. Since the Spring of 2009, the oil price has begun to rise again and is now approaching $60 dollars. Oil below session highs, economic data positive On Friday May 8, 2009, 11:31 am EDT Reuters – U.S. crude was up 58 cents to $57.29 a barrel by 1454 GMT. It touched a six-month high of $58.57 on Thursday. Brent crude was up 48 cents at $56.95. http://finance./news/Oil-rises-above-58-on-rb-15180139.html?.v=3 This development is very much in line with what I suggested in a message on SAMVA on March 04, 2009 concerning the prospects for the oil price during the present transit station of Saturn in Leo, where it afflicts the MEP of the 2nd house a in the SAMVA USA chart: "My hunch is that [the oil price] could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008 ($130)." We can continue to monitor the development. Best wishes, Thor - "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<samva >Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:18 PM Follow up on the oil priceDear friends,In an article Riddle of the oil price resolved (December 6, 2008),http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.htmlthere is discussion of how the oil price has exhibited a clearly discernible pattern for over six decades involving the transit of Saturn, the general indicator of oil and those things mined from deep within the gound.This pattern is described in the article. Let me just say that when Saturn transits Leo the tendency is for the oil price to be higher than otherwise, but also to peak. It then declines until Saturn passes into Aries, where it is debilitated. At that time, the oil price cycle reaches bottom and afterwards begins to ascend again. Of course, there is plenty of volatility seen and this is linked to the variable transit conditions and myriad influences from all over the planet.A point of interest is the fact that, as you know, the price of oil has fallen dramatically since it peaked in July 2008 at over $133 per barrel of oil. In February 2009 the oil price was on average around $39. This represents a drop by about 70% (see graph in article or in attached jpg file).What could explain such a huge drop?More importantly, what could we expect ahead for the price of oil?SHARP DROP: financial crisis and declining demand for oilFirst the real world developments. The most explosive financial crisis in the world since the 1930 became intense in August and then all hell broke lose from mid September. The outlook for the US and international economy steadily worsened since that time.SATURN AFFLICTED IN TRANSIT: the oil price plunges from the highs of mid 2008This is consistent with transit Jupiter afflicting transit Saturn. In September 2008 other difficult transits involving Saturn took place as seen in the SAMVA USA chart. These afflictions were described in the article Crisis in the fall. In November Saturn was again highly afflicted by Saturn, at which time another affliction emerged in the SAMVA USA chart, involving an aspect from natal Saturn to transit Saturn. This aspect is just now beginning to lift. In short, the drop in the oil price reflects the dramatic afflictions involving transit Saturn, both universally, but also in terms of the authentic horoscope for the USA. After all, the demand for oil in the USA is important for the oil price, which is also quoted in US dollars internationally. In short, the transit afflictions explain completely the development to date.SATURN IN LEO AND THEN VIRGO: generally a high oil price levelSaturn in Leo is historically linked to the top in the oil price. It is likely that an unafflicted and strong Saturn will be linked to a higher oil price, more so as it is in Leo. The oil pirce, history shows, tends to remain fairly high while Saturn is passing through Virgo. However, this would likely only be seen when Saturn is unafflicted in transit.SATURN PERIOD IN SAMVA USA CHART: sluggish economy and weak demandIn the Saturn period, the US economy would be expected to become more sluggish. It is likely that this is not good for the oil price, as the higher price depends on strong demand. Moreover, the oil prices is linked to global develeopments, and conditions in other countries are also important. All we know is that demand is weaker all over as well.SATURN CONJUNCT MEP OF H2 IN SAMVA USA CHART: Saturn weak from April to June 2009Looking forward we can see that the affliction of 8th lord Saturn to the most effective point of the 2nd house in the SAMVA USA chart, where it is placed, will likely be associated with the weakness of Saturn albeit in the prosperous sign of Leo. This would then be expected to keep the oil price subdued. That said, the oil price is now at a super low level, reflecting the continous affliction of transit Saturn from August 2008 to February 2009. While it is not helpful for Saturn's indications that it is weak in transit, it is at least no longer receiving a strong afflicting aspect for the coming months. So how the oil price reacts to this situation will be interesting to follow in the first half of 2009. My hunch is that it could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008.CONCLUSION: in general, without affliction to Saturn, we would expect to see a higher oil price when Saturn is in the signs of Leo and Virgo.Best wishes,Thor--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Dear friends, The oil price is now back up over $70. Oil spikes above $70 for first time this year Friday June 5, 2009, 3:45 pm EDT New US jobs data send oil prices briefly above $70 per barrel NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices broke through the $70 per-barrel barrier Friday and more forecasters are broadening expectations for an upward swing in crude. http://finance./news/Oil-prices-briefly-above-70-apf-15449561.html?.v=9 This is in line with expectations as explained in earlier message. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:35:51 AMRe: Follow up on the oil price Dear friends, On December 6, 2008, I presented a discovery I made in an article Riddle of the oil price resolved http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.html The discovery is that when SATURN is in the sign of LEO the oil price level tends to reach a peak. This was seen in the first half of 2008 when Saturn was transiting Leo unafflicted. However, due to many afflictions to transit Saturn and notably as relates to the SAMVA USA chart, which reflects the conditions of a major oil consumer, the oil price began to collapse in the second half of the year. Since the Spring of 2009, the oil price has begun to rise again and is now approaching $60 dollars. Oil below session highs, economic data positive On Friday May 8, 2009, 11:31 am EDT Reuters – U.S. crude was up 58 cents to $57.29 a barrel by 1454 GMT. It touched a six-month high of $58.57 on Thursday. Brent crude was up 48 cents at $56.95. http://finance./news/Oil-rises-above-58-on-rb-15180139.html?.v=3 This development is very much in line with what I suggested in a message on SAMVA on March 04, 2009 concerning the prospects for the oil price during the present transit station of Saturn in Leo, where it afflicts the MEP of the 2nd house a in the SAMVA USA chart: "My hunch is that [the oil price] could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008 ($130)." We can continue to monitor the development. Best wishes, Thor - "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<samva >Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:18 PM Follow up on the oil priceDear friends,In an article Riddle of the oil price resolved (December 6, 2008),http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.htmlthere is discussion of how the oil price has exhibited a clearly discernible pattern for over six decades involving the transit of Saturn, the general indicator of oil and those things mined from deep within the gound.This pattern is described in the article. Let me just say that when Saturn transits Leo the tendency is for the oil price to be higher than otherwise, but also to peak. It then declines until Saturn passes into Aries, where it is debilitated. At that time, the oil price cycle reaches bottom and afterwards begins to ascend again. Of course, there is plenty of volatility seen and this is linked to the variable transit conditions and myriad influences from all over the planet.A point of interest is the fact that, as you know, the price of oil has fallen dramatically since it peaked in July 2008 at over $133 per barrel of oil. In February 2009 the oil price was on average around $39. This represents a drop by about 70% (see graph in article or in attached jpg file).What could explain such a huge drop?More importantly, what could we expect ahead for the price of oil?SHARP DROP: financial crisis and declining demand for oilFirst the real world developments. The most explosive financial crisis in the world since the 1930 became intense in August and then all hell broke lose from mid September. The outlook for the US and international economy steadily worsened since that time.SATURN AFFLICTED IN TRANSIT: the oil price plunges from the highs of mid 2008This is consistent with transit Jupiter afflicting transit Saturn. In September 2008 other difficult transits involving Saturn took place as seen in the SAMVA USA chart. These afflictions were described in the article Crisis in the fall. In November Saturn was again highly afflicted by Saturn, at which time another affliction emerged in the SAMVA USA chart, involving an aspect from natal Saturn to transit Saturn. This aspect is just now beginning to lift. In short, the drop in the oil price reflects the dramatic afflictions involving transit Saturn, both universally, but also in terms of the authentic horoscope for the USA. After all, the demand for oil in the USA is important for the oil price, which is also quoted in US dollars internationally. In short, the transit afflictions explain completely the development to date.SATURN IN LEO AND THEN VIRGO: generally a high oil price levelSaturn in Leo is historically linked to the top in the oil price. It is likely that an unafflicted and strong Saturn will be linked to a higher oil price, more so as it is in Leo. The oil pirce, history shows, tends to remain fairly high while Saturn is passing through Virgo. However, this would likely only be seen when Saturn is unafflicted in transit.SATURN PERIOD IN SAMVA USA CHART: sluggish economy and weak demandIn the Saturn period, the US economy would be expected to become more sluggish. It is likely that this is not good for the oil price, as the higher price depends on strong demand. Moreover, the oil prices is linked to global develeopments, and conditions in other countries are also important. All we know is that demand is weaker all over as well.SATURN CONJUNCT MEP OF H2 IN SAMVA USA CHART: Saturn weak from April to June 2009Looking forward we can see that the affliction of 8th lord Saturn to the most effective point of the 2nd house in the SAMVA USA chart, where it is placed, will likely be associated with the weakness of Saturn albeit in the prosperous sign of Leo. This would then be expected to keep the oil price subdued. That said, the oil price is now at a super low level, reflecting the continous affliction of transit Saturn from August 2008 to February 2009. While it is not helpful for Saturn's indications that it is weak in transit, it is at least no longer receiving a strong afflicting aspect for the coming months. So how the oil price reacts to this situation will be interesting to follow in the first half of 2009. My hunch is that it could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008.CONCLUSION: in general, without affliction to Saturn, we would expect to see a higher oil price when Saturn is in the signs of Leo and Virgo.Best wishes,Thor--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Hello list, As the attached graph shows, the oil price has tended to rise since it bottomed in early 2009. Crude oil is now around $73 per barrel. The driving force behind the rally this week seems to be talk of a recovery manifesting in the USA this autumn. The gradual recovery in the oil price this year, and for the oil price level to remain below last years peak, is in line with expectations. Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:26:56 PMRe: Follow up on the oil price Dear Sujit, Yes, the oil price could rise further while Saturn is strong in Leo. Best wishes, Thor Sujit <sujitmeledathSAMVA Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:42:22 AMRe: Follow up on the oil price  Dear Thor, As Saturn is coming out of its station, after 25th we could see further rise. some increase was there on thursday. Kind regards Sujit - Cosmologer SAMVA Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:01 AM Re: Follow up on the oil price Dear friends, The oil price is now back up over $70. Oil spikes above $70 for first time this year Friday June 5, 2009, 3:45 pm EDT New US jobs data send oil prices briefly above $70 per barrel NEW YORK (AP) -- Oil prices broke through the $70 per-barrel barrier Friday and more forecasters are broadening expectations for an upward swing in crude. http://finance. / news/Oil- prices-briefly- above-70- apf-15449561. html?.v=9 This is in line with expectations as explained in earlier message. Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Saturday, May 9, 2009 9:35:51 AMRe: Follow up on the oil price Dear friends, On December 6, 2008, I presented a discovery I made in an article Riddle of the oil price resolved http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 12/riddle- of-oil-price- resolved. html The discovery is that when SATURN is in the sign of LEO the oil price level tends to reach a peak. This was seen in the first half of 2008 when Saturn was transiting Leo unafflicted. However, due to many afflictions to transit Saturn and notably as relates to the SAMVA USA chart, which reflects the conditions of a major oil consumer, the oil price began to collapse in the second half of the year. Since the Spring of 2009, the oil price has begun to rise again and is now approaching $60 dollars. Oil below session highs, economic data positive On Friday May 8, 2009, 11:31 am EDT Reuters – U.S. crude was up 58 cents to $57.29 a barrel by 1454 GMT. It touched a six-month high of $58.57 on Thursday. Brent crude was up 48 cents at $56.95. http://finance. / news/Oil- rises-above- 58-on-rb- 15180139. html?.v=3 This development is very much in line with what I suggested in a message on SAMVA on March 04, 2009 concerning the prospects for the oil price during the present transit station of Saturn in Leo, where it afflicts the MEP of the 2nd house a in the SAMVA USA chart: "My hunch is that [the oil price] could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008 ($130)." We can continue to monitor the development. Best wishes, Thor - "Cosmologer" <cosmologer ><samva >Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:18 PM Follow up on the oil priceDear friends,In an article Riddle of the oil price resolved (December 6, 2008),http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 12/riddle- of-oil-price- resolved. htmlthere is discussion of how the oil price has exhibited a clearly discernible pattern for over six decades involving the transit of Saturn, the general indicator of oil and those things mined from deep within the gound.This pattern is described in the article. Let me just say that when Saturn transits Leo the tendency is for the oil price to be higher than otherwise, but also to peak. It then declines until Saturn passes into Aries, where it is debilitated. At that time, the oil price cycle reaches bottom and afterwards begins to ascend again. Of course, there is plenty of volatility seen and this is linked to the variable transit conditions and myriad influences from all over the planet.A point of interest is the fact that, as you know, the price of oil has fallen dramatically since it peaked in July 2008 at over $133 per barrel of oil. In February 2009 the oil price was on average around $39. This represents a drop by about 70% (see graph in article or in attached jpg file).What could explain such a huge drop?More importantly, what could we expect ahead for the price of oil?SHARP DROP: financial crisis and declining demand for oilFirst the real world developments. The most explosive financial crisis in the world since the 1930 became intense in August and then all hell broke lose from mid September. The outlook for the US and international economy steadily worsened since that time.SATURN AFFLICTED IN TRANSIT: the oil price plunges from the highs of mid 2008This is consistent with transit Jupiter afflicting transit Saturn. In September 2008 other difficult transits involving Saturn took place as seen in the SAMVA USA chart. These afflictions were described in the article Crisis in the fall. In November Saturn was again highly afflicted by Saturn, at which time another affliction emerged in the SAMVA USA chart, involving an aspect from natal Saturn to transit Saturn. This aspect is just now beginning to lift. In short, the drop in the oil price reflects the dramatic afflictions involving transit Saturn, both universally, but also in terms of the authentic horoscope for the USA. After all, the demand for oil in the USA is important for the oil price, which is also quoted in US dollars internationally. In short, the transit afflictions explain completely the development to date.SATURN IN LEO AND THEN VIRGO: generally a high oil price levelSaturn in Leo is historically linked to the top in the oil price. It is likely that an unafflicted and strong Saturn will be linked to a higher oil price, more so as it is in Leo. The oil pirce, history shows, tends to remain fairly high while Saturn is passing through Virgo. However, this would likely only be seen when Saturn is unafflicted in transit.SATURN PERIOD IN SAMVA USA CHART: sluggish economy and weak demandIn the Saturn period, the US economy would be expected to become more sluggish. It is likely that this is not good for the oil price, as the higher price depends on strong demand. Moreover, the oil prices is linked to global develeopments, and conditions in other countries are also important. All we know is that demand is weaker all over as well.SATURN CONJUNCT MEP OF H2 IN SAMVA USA CHART: Saturn weak from April to June 2009Looking forward we can see that the affliction of 8th lord Saturn to the most effective point of the 2nd house in the SAMVA USA chart, where it is placed, will likely be associated with the weakness of Saturn albeit in the prosperous sign of Leo. This would then be expected to keep the oil price subdued. That said, the oil price is now at a super low level, reflecting the continous affliction of transit Saturn from August 2008 to February 2009. While it is not helpful for Saturn's indications that it is weak in transit, it is at least no longer receiving a strong afflicting aspect for the coming months. So how the oil price reacts to this situation will be interesting to follow in the first half of 2009. My hunch is that it could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008.CONCLUSION: in general, without affliction to Saturn, we would expect to see a higher oil price when Saturn is in the signs of Leo and Virgo.Best wishes,Thor------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hello dear list members, Here is another prediction that has been realised. Earlier this year, when oil was below $40 it was predicted to rise. The oil price has indeed been rising throughout 2009. Saturn entered Virgo in early September and the oil price is now more than double its price at the beginning of the year, but less than the peak reached in 2008 when Saturn was in Leo. It was also predicted that it would remain below the earlier peak. Oil hits $82 per barrel as dollar plunges A barrel of oil hits $82 as dollar falls to fresh low against the euro; pump prices risingAP - 4:07 pm EDT, Wednesday October 21, 2009 Oil prices hit new highs for the year Wednesday just as the dollar fell to new lows against the euro, showing how much the weak U.S. currency has come to dominate energy markets. Benchmark crude for December delivery rose $2.25 to settle at $81.37 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices hit $82 at one point. http://finance./news/Oil-hits-82-per-barrel-as-apf-986443273.html?x=0 & .v=13 Thor Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Wed, March 4, 2009 8:18:26 PMFollow up on the oil price Dear friends, In an article Riddle of the oil price resolved (December 6, 2008), http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/riddle-of-oil-price-resolved.html there is discussion of how the oil price has exhibited a clearly discernible pattern for over six decades involving the transit of Saturn, the general indicator of oil and those things mined from deep within the gound. This pattern is described in the article. Let me just say that when Saturn transits Leo the tendency is for the oil price to be higher than otherwise, but also to peak. It then declines until Saturn passes into Aries, where it is debilitated. At that time, the oil price cycle reaches bottom and afterwards begins to ascend again. Of course, there is plenty of volatility seen and this is linked to the variable transit conditions and myriad influences from all over the planet. A point of interest is the fact that, as you know, the price of oil has fallen dramatically since it peaked in July 2008 at over $133 per barrel of oil. In February 2009 the oil price was on average around $39. This represents a drop by about 70% (see graph in article or in attached jpg file). What could explain such a huge drop? More importantly, what could we expect ahead for the price of oil? SHARP DROP: financial crisis and declining demand for oil First the real world developments. The most explosive financial crisis in the world since the 1930 became intense in August and then all hell broke lose from mid September. The outlook for the US and international economy steadily worsened since that time. SATURN AFFLICTED IN TRANSIT: the oil price plunges from the highs of mid 2008 This is consistent with transit Jupiter afflicting transit Saturn. In September 2008 other difficult transits involving Saturn took place as seen in the SAMVA USA chart. These afflictions were described in the article Crisis in the fall. In November Saturn was again highly afflicted by Saturn, at which time another affliction emerged in the SAMVA USA chart, involving an aspect from natal Saturn to transit Saturn. This aspect is just now beginning to lift. In short, the drop in the oil price reflects the dramatic afflictions involving transit Saturn, both universally, but also in terms of the authentic horoscope for the USA. After all, the demand for oil in the USA is important for the oil price, which is also quoted in US dollars internationally. In short, the transit afflictions explain completely the development to date. SATURN IN LEO AND THEN VIRGO: generally a high oil price level Saturn in Leo is historically linked to the top in the oil price. It is likely that an unafflicted and strong Saturn will be linked to a higher oil price, more so as it is in Leo. The oil pirce, history shows, tends to remain fairly high while Saturn is passing through Virgo. However, this would likely only be seen when Saturn is unafflicted in transit. SATURN PERIOD IN SAMVA USA CHART: sluggish economy and weak demand In the Saturn period, the US economy would be expected to become more sluggish. It is likely that this is not good for the oil price, as the higher price depends on strong demand. Moreover, the oil prices is linked to global develeopments, and conditions in other countries are also important. All we know is that demand is weaker all over as well. SATURN CONJUNCT MEP OF H2 IN SAMVA USA CHART: Saturn weak from April to June 2009 Looking forward we can see that the affliction of 8th lord Saturn to the most effective point of the 2nd house in the SAMVA USA chart, where it is placed, will likely be associated with the weakness of Saturn albeit in the prosperous sign of Leo. This would then be expected to keep the oil price subdued. That said, the oil price is now at a super low level, reflecting the continous affliction of transit Saturn from August 2008 to February 2009. While it is not helpful for Saturn's indications that it is weak in transit, it is at least no longer receiving a strong afflicting aspect for the coming months. So how the oil price reacts to this situation will be interesting to follow in the first half of 2009. My hunch is that it could rise a little bit but remain well below the peak levels of 2008. CONCLUSION: in general, without affliction to Saturn, we would expect to see a higher oil price when Saturn is in the signs of Leo and Virgo. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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