Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Dear friends, The chart for the Liberation of France has 11° 18' Scorpio rising (and not 14°) when the German's occupying Paris signed the surrender decree (see below some insights). Le vendredi 25 août 1944, à 15h 30, le général Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 ans) reçoit à Paris, devant la gare Montparnasse, la capitulation des troupes d'occupation de la capitale. Le document est signé par le général Dietrich von Choltitz, commandant du 84e corps d'armée. Il est aussi contresigné par le colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, chef régional des FTP-FFI (Francs-tireurs et partisans des Forces Françaises de l'Intérieur). Rough English translation: On Friday August 25, 1944, at 15:30, the general Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 years) receives in Paris, in front of the station Montparnasse, the surrender of the troops occupying the capital. The document is signed by the general Dietrich von Choltitz, in charge of the 84th corps of the army. It is also conutersigned by colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, Regional chief of the FTP-FFI (French Forces of l' Interior). France Paris liberated Aug 25, 1944 3:30 PM -02:00 EET Paris, France Longitude: 2E20 Latitude: 48N52 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:05 Current Period: VE/RA/ME Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 11:18 Sco Anuradha Sa Sun 09:06 Leo +00:57:55 ST Magha Ke Moon 22:44 Lib +12:16:27 WK Vishakha Ju Mars 04:42 Vir +00:38:25 FM U.Phalguni Su MercR 29:19 Leo -00:06:53 WK U.Phalguni Su Jupt 13:23 Leo +00:13:01 CM P.Phalguni Ve Ven 25:25 Leo +01:13:58 FM P.Phalguni Ve Sat 14:44 Gem +00:05:36 WK Ardra Ra Rahu 03:57 Can -00:02:14 FM Pushya Sa Ketu 03:57 Cap -00:02:14 FM U.Shadya Su True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:58 AM Tithi: Shukla Saptami Yoga Pt: 5:10 Ge Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me Dagha Rashis: Can Sag Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Moon Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright, Mars Good Placement, In Infancy: 6%, Weak Dispositor, Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 86%, Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 63%, Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 8%, Saturn Bad Placement, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 9 * * 7 ** *10* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MO 22:44* * * * * * * * *KE 03:57 * 8 AS 11:18 * 6 MA 04:42* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SU 09:06 * * ** * * JU 13:23 ** *11 * 5 VE 25:25 * ** * * MER29:19 ** *12* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2 * 4 RA 03:57* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SA 14:44 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 1 * * 3 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * VE * * * * * * * * * JU * *MER * 7 AS * 5 RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *10 * 4 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *MA * * * * * *SA * 1 MO * 3 SU * *KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Ju/Sa 28.6.1943 Ju/Me 9.1.1946 Ju/Ke 15.4.1948 Ju/Ve 22.3.1949 Ju/Su 21.11.1951 Ju/Mo 9.9.1952 Ju/Ma 9.1.1954 Ju/Ra 15.12.1954 Sa/Sa 10.5.1957 Sa/Me 13.5.1960 Sa/Ke 21.1.1963 Sa/Ve 1.3.1964 Sa/Su 1.5.1967 Sa/Mo 12.4.1968 Sa/Ma 12.11.1969 Sa/Ra 21.12.1970 Sa/Ju 27.10.1973 Me/Me 10.5.1976 Me/Ke 6.10.1978 Me/Ve 4.10.1979 Me/Su 3.8.1982 Me/Mo 10.6.1983 Me/Ma 8.11.1984 Me/Ra 6.11.1985 Me/Ju 25.5.1988 Me/Sa 31.8.1990 Ke/Ke 10.5.1993 Ke/Ve 6.10.1993 Ke/Su 6.12.1994 Ke/Mo 13.4.1995 Ke/Ma 12.11.1995 Ke/Ra 9.4.1996 Ke/Ju 28.4.1997 Ke/Sa 4.4.1998 Ke/Me 14.5.1999 Ve/Ve 10.5.2000 Ve/Su 9.9.2003 Ve/Mo 8.9.2004 Ve/Ma 10.5.2006 Ve/Ra 10.7.2007 Ve/Ju 10.7.2010 Ve/Sa 10.3.2013 Ve/Me 10.5.2016 Ve/Ke 11.3.2019 Su/Su 10.5.2020 Su/Mo 27.8.2020 Su/Ma 26.2.2021 Su/Ra 4.7.2021 Su/Ju 29.5.2022 Su/Sa 17.3.2023 Su/Me 27.2.2024 Su/Ke 2.1.2025 Su/Ve 10.5.2025 Mo/Mo 10.5.2026 Mo/Ma 11.3.2027 Mo/Ra 10.10.2027 Mo/Ju 10.4.2029 Mo/Sa 10.8.2030 Mo/Me 10.3.2032 Mo/Ke 9.8.2033 Mo/Ve 10.3.2034 Mo/Su 9.11.2035 Ma/Ma 10.5.2036 Ma/Ra 6.10.2036 Ma/Ju 24.10.2037 Ma/Sa 30.9.2038 Ma/Me 9.11.2039 Ma/Ke 5.11.2040 Ma/Ve 3.4.2041 Ma/Su 4.6.2042 Ma/Mo 9.10.2042 Ra/Ra 11.5.2043 Ra/Ju 21.1.2046 Ra/Sa 15.6.2048 Ra/Me 22.4.2051 Ra/Ke 9.11.2053 Ra/Ve 27.11.2054 Ra/Su 27.11.2057 Ra/Mo 22.10.2058 Ra/Ma 21.4.2060 The 10th lord Sun at 9° 06' is in the MEP of the 10th house, conjunct 2nd lord Jupiter at 13° 23', giving high status indeed and a strong benevolent state. The French are also religious, with the nation being mostly of the Catholic faith. The 11° 18' Scorpio ascendant also places Saturn as 4th lord at 14° 44' Gemini and in the MEP of the 8th house. From there it aspects 2nd Jupiter as 2nd lord of status and the 2nd house, as well as 10th house and 5th houses. With 12th lord Venus at 25° 25' Leo and 10th house. The influence of Saturn on the house of status and Jupiter (the planet of religion) and the good placement of Venus may explain why French design and architecture and art are known throughout the world, emphasising as it does churches and art museums (some colonial treasures from far away countries, that the original country wants returned). The aspect of Ketu to Mars as 6th lord explains, along with the Scorpio ascendant, the sudden eruption of labour strife. Best wishes, Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Dear friends, In the exploratory 11° Scorpio rising chart, the Ketu major period is of special interest because of the natal affliction of Ketu to 6th lord Mars. The Ketu major period lasted from 10 May 1993 to 10 May 2000, but the sub-periods of particular interest are the - Ketu/Ketu period from 10 May 1993 to 6 October 1994 - Ketu/Mars period from 12 November 1995 to 9 April 1996. Given transit afflictions linked to these placements, France would be expected to seen a significant negative event at that time. This would be an important test of this chart. Was there anything that happened of a violent and sudden nature, including political turmoil, a labour dispute, etc.? Another affliction in the chart involves 12th lord Venus being conjunct 11th lord Mercury in advanced old age in Leo and the 10th house. However, this affliction looks less compelling, indicating some problems for income, friends and goals. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > The chart for the Liberation of France has 11° 18' Scorpio rising (and not 14°) when the German's occupying Paris signed the surrender decree (see below some insights). > > Le vendredi 25 août 1944, à 15h 30, le général Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 ans) reçoit à Paris, devant la gare Montparnasse, la capitulation des troupes d'occupation de la capitale. Le document est signé par le général Dietrich von Choltitz, commandant du 84e corps d'armée. Il est aussi contresigné par le colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, chef régional des FTP-FFI (Francs-tireurs et partisans des Forces Françaises de l'Intérieur). > > Rough English translation: On Friday August 25, 1944, at 15:30, the general Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 years) receives in Paris, in front of the station Montparnasse, the surrender of the troops occupying the capital. The document is signed by the general Dietrich von Choltitz, in charge of the 84th corps of the army. It is also conutersigned by colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, Regional chief of the FTP-FFI (French Forces of l' Interior). > > France Paris liberated > Aug 25, 1944 3:30 PM -02:00 EET > Paris, France Longitude: 2E20 Latitude: 48N52 > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:05 Current Period: VE/RA/ME > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > ================================================ > Asc 11:18 Sco Anuradha Sa > Sun 09:06 Leo +00:57:55 ST Magha Ke > Moon 22:44 Lib +12:16:27 WK Vishakha Ju > Mars 04:42 Vir +00:38:25 FM U.Phalguni Su > MercR 29:19 Leo -00:06:53 WK U.Phalguni Su > Jupt 13:23 Leo +00:13:01 CM P.Phalguni Ve > Ven 25:25 Leo +01:13:58 FM P.Phalguni Ve > Sat 14:44 Gem +00:05:36 WK Ardra Ra > Rahu 03:57 Can -00:02:14 FM Pushya Sa > Ketu 03:57 Cap -00:02:14 FM U.Shadya Su > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats > Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:58 AM > Tithi: Shukla Saptami > Yoga Pt: 5:10 Ge Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me > Dagha Rashis: Can Sag > > Sytems Approach Analysis > ======================== > Sun Good Placement, > Moon Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright, > Mars Good Placement, In Infancy: 6%, Weak Dispositor, > Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 86%, > Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 63%, > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 8%, > Saturn Bad Placement, > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > Ketu Good Placement, > > Rashi Chart > ******************************************************* > ** 9 * * 7 ** > *10* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * MO 22:44* * > * * * * * * > *KE 03:57 * 8 AS 11:18 * 6 MA 04:42* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * SU 09:06 * * > ** * * JU 13:23 ** > *11 * 5 VE 25:25 * > ** * * MER29:19 ** > *12* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * 2 * 4 RA 03:57* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * SA 14:44 * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 1 * * 3 ** > ******************************************************* > > Navamsha > ******************************************************* > ** 8 * * 6 ** > *9 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * VE * * * * > * * * * * JU * > *MER * 7 AS * 5 RA * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *10 * 4 * > ** * * ** > *11* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *MA * * * * * > *SA * 1 MO * 3 SU * > *KE * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 12 * * 2 ** > ******************************************************* > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > ======================== > Ju/Sa 28.6.1943 > Ju/Me 9.1.1946 > Ju/Ke 15.4.1948 > Ju/Ve 22.3.1949 > Ju/Su 21.11.1951 > Ju/Mo 9.9.1952 > Ju/Ma 9.1.1954 > Ju/Ra 15.12.1954 > Sa/Sa 10.5.1957 > Sa/Me 13.5.1960 > Sa/Ke 21.1.1963 > Sa/Ve 1.3.1964 > Sa/Su 1.5.1967 > Sa/Mo 12.4.1968 > Sa/Ma 12.11.1969 > Sa/Ra 21.12.1970 > Sa/Ju 27.10.1973 > Me/Me 10.5.1976 > Me/Ke 6.10.1978 > Me/Ve 4.10.1979 > Me/Su 3.8.1982 > Me/Mo 10.6.1983 > Me/Ma 8.11.1984 > Me/Ra 6.11.1985 > Me/Ju 25.5.1988 > Me/Sa 31.8.1990 > Ke/Ke 10.5.1993 > Ke/Ve 6.10.1993 > Ke/Su 6.12.1994 > Ke/Mo 13.4.1995 > Ke/Ma 12.11.1995 > Ke/Ra 9.4.1996 > Ke/Ju 28.4.1997 > Ke/Sa 4.4.1998 > Ke/Me 14.5.1999 > Ve/Ve 10.5.2000 > Ve/Su 9.9.2003 > Ve/Mo 8.9.2004 > Ve/Ma 10.5.2006 > Ve/Ra 10.7.2007 > Ve/Ju 10.7.2010 > Ve/Sa 10.3.2013 > Ve/Me 10.5.2016 > Ve/Ke 11.3.2019 > Su/Su 10.5.2020 > Su/Mo 27.8.2020 > Su/Ma 26.2.2021 > Su/Ra 4.7.2021 > Su/Ju 29.5.2022 > Su/Sa 17.3.2023 > Su/Me 27.2.2024 > Su/Ke 2.1.2025 > Su/Ve 10.5.2025 > Mo/Mo 10.5.2026 > Mo/Ma 11.3.2027 > Mo/Ra 10.10.2027 > Mo/Ju 10.4.2029 > Mo/Sa 10.8.2030 > Mo/Me 10.3.2032 > Mo/Ke 9.8.2033 > Mo/Ve 10.3.2034 > Mo/Su 9.11.2035 > Ma/Ma 10.5.2036 > Ma/Ra 6.10.2036 > Ma/Ju 24.10.2037 > Ma/Sa 30.9.2038 > Ma/Me 9.11.2039 > Ma/Ke 5.11.2040 > Ma/Ve 3.4.2041 > Ma/Su 4.6.2042 > Ma/Mo 9.10.2042 > Ra/Ra 11.5.2043 > Ra/Ju 21.1.2046 > Ra/Sa 15.6.2048 > Ra/Me 22.4.2051 > Ra/Ke 9.11.2053 > Ra/Ve 27.11.2054 > Ra/Su 27.11.2057 > Ra/Mo 22.10.2058 > Ra/Ma 21.4.2060 > > The 10th lord Sun at 9° 06' is in the MEP of the 10th house, conjunct 2nd lord Jupiter at 13° 23', giving high status indeed and a strong benevolent state. The French are also religious, with the nation being mostly of the Catholic faith. The 11° 18' Scorpio ascendant also places Saturn as 4th lord at 14° 44' Gemini and in the MEP of the 8th house. From there it aspects 2nd Jupiter as 2nd lord of status and the 2nd house, as well as 10th house and 5th houses. With 12th lord Venus at 25° 25' Leo and 10th house. The influence of Saturn on the house of status and Jupiter (the planet of religion) and the good placement of Venus may explain why French design and architecture and art are known throughout the world, emphasising as it does churches and art museums (some colonial treasures from far away countries, that the original country wants returned). The aspect of Ketu to Mars as 6th lord explains, along with the Scorpio ascendant, the sudden > eruption of labour strife. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Dear friends, I did not find any stationary afflictions involving Ketu or Mars during these periods, with the exception of a brief passing of the nodes into aspect of the natal nodes during the Ketu-Ketu period: Rahu Ketu 2.1.1994 8°Sc34' 8°Ta34' 1.2.1994 6°Sc14' 6°Ta14' 3.3.1994 3°Sc06' 3°Ta06' 2.4.1994 0°Sc52'D 0°Ta52'D 2.5.1994 0°Sc06'D 0°Ta06'D Possibly some tension could have developed in February/March 1994? At a quick glance, the only thing I found is as follows: 1994 - Yann Piat Affair (a former Front National far-right MP, assassinated on February 25, 1994) At that time, the transit nodes were at 3° 45' which is close to the natal nodal placement at 3° 57'. More research is needed... Best wishes, Thor cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:31:31 AM Re: Chart for the Liberation of FranceDear friends,In the exploratory 11° Scorpio rising chart, the Ketu major period is of special interest because of the natal affliction of Ketu to 6th lord Mars. The Ketu major period lasted from 10 May 1993 to 10 May 2000, but the sub-periods of particular interest are the - Ketu/Ketu period from 10 May 1993 to 6 October 1994 - Ketu/Mars period from 12 November 1995 to 9 April 1996.Given transit afflictions linked to these placements, France would be expected to seen a significant negative event at that time. This would be an important test of this chart.Was there anything that happened of a violent and sudden nature, including political turmoil, a labour dispute, etc.?Another affliction in the chart involves 12th lord Venus being conjunct 11th lord Mercury in advanced old age in Leo and the 10th house. However, this affliction looks less compelling, indicating some problems for income, friends and goals.Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Dear friends,> > The chart for the Liberation of France has 11° 18' Scorpio rising (and not 14°) when the German's occupying Paris signed the surrender decree (see below some insights). > > Le vendredi 25 août 1944, à 15h 30, le général Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 ans) reçoit à Paris, devant la gare Montparnasse, la capitulation des troupes d'occupation de la capitale. Le document est signé par le général Dietrich von Choltitz, commandant du 84e corps d'armée. Il est aussi contresigné par le colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, chef régional des FTP-FFI (Francs-tireurs et partisans des Forces Françaises de l'Intérieur). > > Rough English translation: On Friday August 25, 1944, at 15:30, the general Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 years) receives in Paris, in front of the station Montparnasse, the surrender of the troops occupying the capital. The document is signed by the general Dietrich von Choltitz, in charge of the 84th corps of the army. It is also conutersigned by colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, Regional chief of the FTP-FFI (French Forces of l' Interior). > > France Paris liberated> Aug 25, 1944 3:30 PM -02:00 EET> Paris, France Longitude: 2E20 Latitude: 48N52> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:05 Current Period: VE/RA/ME> > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord> ================================================> Asc 11:18 Sco Anuradha Sa> Sun 09:06 Leo +00:57:55 ST Magha Ke> Moon 22:44 Lib +12:16:27 WK Vishakha Ju> Mars 04:42 Vir +00:38:25 FM U.Phalguni Su> MercR 29:19 Leo -00:06:53 WK U.Phalguni Su> Jupt 13:23 Leo +00:13:01 CM P.Phalguni Ve> Ven 25:25 Leo +01:13:58 FM P.Phalguni Ve> Sat 14:44 Gem +00:05:36 WK Ardra Ra> Rahu 03:57 Can -00:02:14 FM Pushya Sa> Ketu 03:57 Cap -00:02:14 FM U.Shadya Su> > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats> Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:58 AM> Tithi: Shukla Saptami> Yoga Pt: 5:10 Ge Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me> Dagha Rashis: Can Sag> > Sytems Approach Analysis> ========================> Sun Good Placement, > Moon Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright,> Mars Good Placement, In Infancy: 6%, Weak Dispositor, > Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 86%, > Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 63%, > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 8%, > Saturn Bad Placement, > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > Ketu Good Placement, > > Rashi Chart> ******************************************************* > ** 9 * * 7 ** > *10* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * MO 22:44* * > * * * * * * > *KE 03:57 * 8 AS 11:18 * 6 MA 04:42* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * SU 09:06 * * > ** * * JU 13:23 ** > *11 * 5 VE 25:25 * > ** * * MER29:19 ** > *12* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * 2 * 4 RA 03:57* > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * SA 14:44 * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 1 * * 3 ** > ******************************************************* > > Navamsha> ******************************************************* > ** 8 * * 6 ** > *9 * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * VE * * * * > * * * * * JU * > *MER * 7 AS * 5 RA * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** * * ** > *10 * 4 * > ** * * ** > *11* * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > *MA * * * * * > *SA * 1 MO * 3 SU * > *KE * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > * * * * * * > ** 12 * * 2 ** > ******************************************************* > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis> ========================> Ju/Sa 28.6.1943> Ju/Me 9.1.1946> Ju/Ke 15.4.1948> Ju/Ve 22.3.1949> Ju/Su 21.11.1951> Ju/Mo 9.9.1952> Ju/Ma 9.1.1954> Ju/Ra 15.12.1954> Sa/Sa 10.5.1957> Sa/Me 13.5.1960> Sa/Ke 21.1.1963> Sa/Ve 1.3.1964> Sa/Su 1.5.1967> Sa/Mo 12.4.1968> Sa/Ma 12.11.1969> Sa/Ra 21.12.1970> Sa/Ju 27.10.1973> Me/Me 10.5.1976> Me/Ke 6.10.1978> Me/Ve 4.10.1979> Me/Su 3.8.1982> Me/Mo 10.6.1983> Me/Ma 8.11.1984> Me/Ra 6.11.1985> Me/Ju 25.5.1988> Me/Sa 31.8.1990> Ke/Ke 10.5.1993> Ke/Ve 6.10.1993> Ke/Su 6.12.1994> Ke/Mo 13.4.1995> Ke/Ma 12.11.1995> Ke/Ra 9.4.1996> Ke/Ju 28.4.1997> Ke/Sa 4.4.1998> Ke/Me 14.5.1999> Ve/Ve 10.5.2000> Ve/Su 9.9.2003> Ve/Mo 8.9.2004> Ve/Ma 10.5.2006> Ve/Ra 10.7.2007> Ve/Ju 10.7.2010> Ve/Sa 10.3.2013> Ve/Me 10.5.2016> Ve/Ke 11.3.2019> Su/Su 10.5.2020> Su/Mo 27.8.2020> Su/Ma 26.2.2021> Su/Ra 4.7.2021> Su/Ju 29.5.2022> Su/Sa 17.3.2023> Su/Me 27.2.2024> Su/Ke 2.1.2025> Su/Ve 10.5.2025> Mo/Mo 10.5.2026> Mo/Ma 11.3.2027> Mo/Ra 10.10.2027> Mo/Ju 10.4.2029> Mo/Sa 10.8.2030> Mo/Me 10.3.2032> Mo/Ke 9.8.2033> Mo/Ve 10.3.2034> Mo/Su 9.11.2035> Ma/Ma 10.5.2036> Ma/Ra 6.10.2036> Ma/Ju 24.10.2037> Ma/Sa 30.9.2038> Ma/Me 9.11.2039> Ma/Ke 5.11.2040> Ma/Ve 3.4.2041> Ma/Su 4.6.2042> Ma/Mo 9.10.2042> Ra/Ra 11.5.2043> Ra/Ju 21.1.2046> Ra/Sa 15.6.2048> Ra/Me 22.4.2051> Ra/Ke 9.11.2053> Ra/Ve 27.11.2054> Ra/Su 27.11.2057> Ra/Mo 22.10.2058> Ra/Ma 21.4.2060> > The 10th lord Sun at 9° 06' is in the MEP of the 10th house, conjunct 2nd lord Jupiter at 13° 23', giving high status indeed and a strong benevolent state. The French are also religious, with the nation being mostly of the Catholic faith. The 11° 18' Scorpio ascendant also places Saturn as 4th lord at 14° 44' Gemini and in the MEP of the 8th house. From there it aspects 2nd Jupiter as 2nd lord of status and the 2nd house, as well as 10th house and 5th houses. With 12th lord Venus at 25° 25' Leo and 10th house. The influence of Saturn on the house of status and Jupiter (the planet of religion) and the good placement of Venus may explain why French design and architecture and art are known throughout the world, emphasising as it does churches and art museums (some colonial treasures from far away countries, that the original country wants returned). The aspect of Ketu to Mars as 6th lord explains, along with the Scorpio ascendant, the sudden> eruption of labour strife.> > Best wishes,> > Thor>--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Dear friends, I did not find a clear connection between the transists in the fall of 2005 and the 11° Scorpio rising chart. At that time, riots of young people in the " banlieu " of Paris and other cities broke out. The nodes were in the send half of their stationary movement at 19° Pisces and Virgo, Saturn was transit stationary at 17° Cancer and Mars became briefly stationary at 14° Aries. None of these placements has a compelling link to the explored chart. As we know, even one event without a clear match raises serious questions about the autenticity of a chart. Best wishes, Thor SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I did not find any stationary afflictions involving Ketu or Mars during these periods, with the exception of a brief passing of the nodes into aspect of the natal nodes during the Ketu-Ketu period: > > Rahu Ketu > 2.1.1994 8°Sc34' 8°Ta34' > 1.2.1994 6°Sc14' 6°Ta14' > 3.3.1994 3°Sc06' 3°Ta06' > 2.4.1994 0°Sc52'D 0°Ta52'D > 2.5.1994 0°Sc06'D 0°Ta06'D > > Possibly some tension could have developed in February/March 1994? > > At a quick glance, the only thing I found is as follows: > > 1994 - Yann Piat Affair (a former Front National far-right MP, assassinated on February 25, 1994) > > At that time, the transit nodes were at 3° 45' which is close to the natal nodal placement at 3° 57'. > > More research is needed... > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > Dear friends, > > In the exploratory 11° Scorpio rising chart, the Ketu major period is of special interest because of the natal affliction of Ketu to 6th lord Mars. The Ketu major period lasted from 10 May 1993 to 10 May 2000, but the sub-periods of particular interest are the > > - Ketu/Ketu period from 10 May 1993 to 6 October 1994 > - Ketu/Mars period from 12 November 1995 to 9 April 1996. > > Given transit afflictions linked to these placements, France would be expected to seen a significant negative event at that time. This would be an important test of this chart. > > Was there anything that happened of a violent and sudden nature, including political turmoil, a labour dispute, etc.? > > Another affliction in the chart involves 12th lord Venus being conjunct 11th lord Mercury in advanced old age in Leo and the 10th house. However, this affliction looks less compelling, indicating some problems for income, friends and goals. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > The chart for the Liberation of France has 11° 18' Scorpio rising (and not 14°) when the German's occupying Paris signed the surrender decree (see below some insights). > > > > Le vendredi 25 août 1944, à 15h 30, le général Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 ans) reçoit à Paris, devant la gare Montparnasse, la capitulation des troupes d'occupation de la capitale. Le document est signé par le général Dietrich von Choltitz, commandant du 84e corps d'armée. Il est aussi contresigné par le colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, chef régional des FTP-FFI (Francs-tireurs et partisans des Forces Françaises de l'Intérieur). > > > > Rough English translation: On Friday August 25, 1944, at 15:30, the general Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 years) receives in Paris, in front of the station Montparnasse, the surrender of the troops occupying the capital. The document is signed by the general Dietrich von Choltitz, in charge of the 84th corps of the army. It is also conutersigned by colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, Regional chief of the FTP-FFI (French Forces of l' Interior). > > > > France Paris liberated > > Aug 25, 1944 3:30 PM -02:00 EET > > Paris, France Longitude: 2E20 Latitude: 48N52 > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:05 Current Period: VE/RA/ME > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > ================================================ > > Asc 11:18 Sco Anuradha Sa > > Sun 09:06 Leo +00:57:55 ST Magha Ke > > Moon 22:44 Lib +12:16:27 WK Vishakha Ju > > Mars 04:42 Vir +00:38:25 FM U.Phalguni Su > > MercR 29:19 Leo -00:06:53 WK U.Phalguni Su > > Jupt 13:23 Leo +00:13:01 CM P.Phalguni Ve > > Ven 25:25 Leo +01:13:58 FM P.Phalguni Ve > > Sat 14:44 Gem +00:05:36 WK Ardra Ra > > Rahu 03:57 Can -00:02:14 FM Pushya Sa > > Ketu 03:57 Cap -00:02:14 FM U.Shadya Su > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats > > Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:58 AM > > Tithi: Shukla Saptami > > Yoga Pt: 5:10 Ge Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me > > Dagha Rashis: Can Sag > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > ======================== > > Sun Good Placement, > > Moon Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright, > > Mars Good Placement, In Infancy: 6%, Weak Dispositor, > > Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 86%, > > Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 63%, > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 8%, > > Saturn Bad Placement, > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > Rashi Chart > > ******************************************************* > > ** 9 * * 7 ** > > *10* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * MO 22:44* * > > * * * * * * > > *KE 03:57 * 8 AS 11:18 * 6 MA 04:42* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * SU 09:06 * * > > ** * * JU 13:23 ** > > *11 * 5 VE 25:25 * > > ** * * MER29:19 ** > > *12* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * 2 * 4 RA 03:57* > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * SA 14:44 * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 1 * * 3 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Navamsha > > ******************************************************* > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > *9 * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * VE * * * * > > * * * * * JU * > > *MER * 7 AS * 5 RA * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** * * ** > > *10 * 4 * > > ** * * ** > > *11* * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > *MA * * * * * > > *SA * 1 MO * 3 SU * > > *KE * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > * * * * * * > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > ******************************************************* > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > ======================== > > Ju/Sa 28.6.1943 > > Ju/Me 9.1.1946 > > Ju/Ke 15.4.1948 > > Ju/Ve 22.3.1949 > > Ju/Su 21.11.1951 > > Ju/Mo 9.9.1952 > > Ju/Ma 9.1.1954 > > Ju/Ra 15.12.1954 > > Sa/Sa 10.5.1957 > > Sa/Me 13.5.1960 > > Sa/Ke 21.1.1963 > > Sa/Ve 1.3.1964 > > Sa/Su 1.5.1967 > > Sa/Mo 12.4.1968 > > Sa/Ma 12.11.1969 > > Sa/Ra 21.12.1970 > > Sa/Ju 27.10.1973 > > Me/Me 10.5.1976 > > Me/Ke 6.10.1978 > > Me/Ve 4.10.1979 > > Me/Su 3.8.1982 > > Me/Mo 10.6.1983 > > Me/Ma 8.11.1984 > > Me/Ra 6.11.1985 > > Me/Ju 25.5.1988 > > Me/Sa 31.8.1990 > > Ke/Ke 10.5.1993 > > Ke/Ve 6.10.1993 > > Ke/Su 6.12.1994 > > Ke/Mo 13.4.1995 > > Ke/Ma 12.11.1995 > > Ke/Ra 9.4.1996 > > Ke/Ju 28.4.1997 > > Ke/Sa 4.4.1998 > > Ke/Me 14.5.1999 > > Ve/Ve 10.5.2000 > > Ve/Su 9.9.2003 > > Ve/Mo 8.9.2004 > > Ve/Ma 10.5.2006 > > Ve/Ra 10.7.2007 > > Ve/Ju 10.7.2010 > > Ve/Sa 10.3.2013 > > Ve/Me 10.5.2016 > > Ve/Ke 11.3.2019 > > Su/Su 10.5.2020 > > Su/Mo 27.8.2020 > > Su/Ma 26.2.2021 > > Su/Ra 4.7.2021 > > Su/Ju 29.5.2022 > > Su/Sa 17.3.2023 > > Su/Me 27.2.2024 > > Su/Ke 2.1.2025 > > Su/Ve 10.5.2025 > > Mo/Mo 10.5.2026 > > Mo/Ma 11.3.2027 > > Mo/Ra 10.10.2027 > > Mo/Ju 10.4.2029 > > Mo/Sa 10.8.2030 > > Mo/Me 10.3.2032 > > Mo/Ke 9.8.2033 > > Mo/Ve 10.3.2034 > > Mo/Su 9.11.2035 > > Ma/Ma 10.5.2036 > > Ma/Ra 6.10.2036 > > Ma/Ju 24.10.2037 > > Ma/Sa 30.9.2038 > > Ma/Me 9.11.2039 > > Ma/Ke 5.11.2040 > > Ma/Ve 3.4.2041 > > Ma/Su 4.6.2042 > > Ma/Mo 9.10.2042 > > Ra/Ra 11.5.2043 > > Ra/Ju 21.1.2046 > > Ra/Sa 15.6.2048 > > Ra/Me 22.4.2051 > > Ra/Ke 9.11.2053 > > Ra/Ve 27.11.2054 > > Ra/Su 27.11.2057 > > Ra/Mo 22.10.2058 > > Ra/Ma 21.4.2060 > > > > The 10th lord Sun at 9° 06' is in the MEP of the 10th house, conjunct 2nd lord Jupiter at 13° 23', giving high status indeed and a strong benevolent state. The French are also religious, with the nation being mostly of the Catholic faith. The 11° 18' Scorpio ascendant also places Saturn as 4th lord at 14° 44' Gemini and in the MEP of the 8th house. From there it aspects 2nd Jupiter as 2nd lord of status and the 2nd house, as well as 10th house and 5th houses. With 12th lord Venus at 25° 25' Leo and 10th house. The influence of Saturn on the house of status and Jupiter (the planet of religion) and the good placement of Venus may explain why French design and architecture and art are known throughout the world, emphasising as it does churches and art museums (some colonial treasures from far away countries, that the original country wants returned). The aspect of Ketu to Mars as 6th lord explains, along with the Scorpio ascendant, the sudden > > eruption of labour strife. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 one typo: 'send half' should read 'second half' SAMVA , " cosmologer " <cosmologer wrote: > > Dear friends, > > I did not find a clear connection between the transists in the fall of 2005 and the 11° Scorpio rising chart. At that time, riots of young people in the " banlieu " of Paris and other cities broke out. > > The nodes were in the send half of their stationary movement at 19° Pisces and Virgo, Saturn was transit stationary at 17° Cancer and Mars became briefly stationary at 14° Aries. None of these placements has a compelling link to the explored chart. > > As we know, even one event without a clear match raises serious questions about the autenticity of a chart. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I did not find any stationary afflictions involving Ketu or Mars during these periods, with the exception of a brief passing of the nodes into aspect of the natal nodes during the Ketu-Ketu period: > > > > Rahu Ketu > > 2.1.1994 8°Sc34' 8°Ta34' > > 1.2.1994 6°Sc14' 6°Ta14' > > 3.3.1994 3°Sc06' 3°Ta06' > > 2.4.1994 0°Sc52'D 0°Ta52'D > > 2.5.1994 0°Sc06'D 0°Ta06'D > > > > Possibly some tension could have developed in February/March 1994? > > > > At a quick glance, the only thing I found is as follows: > > > > 1994 - Yann Piat Affair (a former Front National far-right MP, assassinated on February 25, 1994) > > > > At that time, the transit nodes were at 3° 45' which is close to the natal nodal placement at 3° 57'. > > > > More research is needed... > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > Dear friends, > > > > In the exploratory 11° Scorpio rising chart, the Ketu major period is of special interest because of the natal affliction of Ketu to 6th lord Mars. The Ketu major period lasted from 10 May 1993 to 10 May 2000, but the sub-periods of particular interest are the > > > > - Ketu/Ketu period from 10 May 1993 to 6 October 1994 > > - Ketu/Mars period from 12 November 1995 to 9 April 1996. > > > > Given transit afflictions linked to these placements, France would be expected to seen a significant negative event at that time. This would be an important test of this chart. > > > > Was there anything that happened of a violent and sudden nature, including political turmoil, a labour dispute, etc.? > > > > Another affliction in the chart involves 12th lord Venus being conjunct 11th lord Mercury in advanced old age in Leo and the 10th house. However, this affliction looks less compelling, indicating some problems for income, friends and goals. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > The chart for the Liberation of France has 11° 18' Scorpio rising (and not 14°) when the German's occupying Paris signed the surrender decree (see below some insights). > > > > > > Le vendredi 25 août 1944, à 15h 30, le général Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 ans) reçoit à Paris, devant la gare Montparnasse, la capitulation des troupes d'occupation de la capitale. Le document est signé par le général Dietrich von Choltitz, commandant du 84e corps d'armée. Il est aussi contresigné par le colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, chef régional des FTP-FFI (Francs-tireurs et partisans des Forces Françaises de l'Intérieur). > > > > > > Rough English translation: On Friday August 25, 1944, at 15:30, the general Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque (43 years) receives in Paris, in front of the station Montparnasse, the surrender of the troops occupying the capital. The document is signed by the general Dietrich von Choltitz, in charge of the 84th corps of the army. It is also conutersigned by colonel Henri Rol-Tanguy, Regional chief of the FTP-FFI (French Forces of l' Interior). > > > > > > France Paris liberated > > > Aug 25, 1944 3:30 PM -02:00 EET > > > Paris, France Longitude: 2E20 Latitude: 48N52 > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:05 Current Period: VE/RA/ME > > > > > > Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord > > > ================================================ > > > Asc 11:18 Sco Anuradha Sa > > > Sun 09:06 Leo +00:57:55 ST Magha Ke > > > Moon 22:44 Lib +12:16:27 WK Vishakha Ju > > > Mars 04:42 Vir +00:38:25 FM U.Phalguni Su > > > MercR 29:19 Leo -00:06:53 WK U.Phalguni Su > > > Jupt 13:23 Leo +00:13:01 CM P.Phalguni Ve > > > Ven 25:25 Leo +01:13:58 FM P.Phalguni Ve > > > Sat 14:44 Gem +00:05:36 WK Ardra Ra > > > Rahu 03:57 Can -00:02:14 FM Pushya Sa > > > Ketu 03:57 Cap -00:02:14 FM U.Shadya Su > > > > > > True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 604 beats > > > Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:58 AM > > > Tithi: Shukla Saptami > > > Yoga Pt: 5:10 Ge Yogi:Ma AviYogi:Ke Dup Yogi: Me > > > Dagha Rashis: Can Sag > > > > > > Sytems Approach Analysis > > > ======================== > > > Sun Good Placement, > > > Moon Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor, Bright, > > > Mars Good Placement, In Infancy: 6%, Weak Dispositor, > > > Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 86%, > > > Jupiter Good Placement, Combust 63%, > > > Venus Good Placement, In Old Age: 8%, > > > Saturn Bad Placement, > > > Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, > > > Ketu Good Placement, > > > > > > Rashi Chart > > > ******************************************************* > > > ** 9 * * 7 ** > > > *10* * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * MO 22:44* * > > > * * * * * * > > > *KE 03:57 * 8 AS 11:18 * 6 MA 04:42* > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * SU 09:06 * * > > > ** * * JU 13:23 ** > > > *11 * 5 VE 25:25 * > > > ** * * MER29:19 ** > > > *12* * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * 2 * 4 RA 03:57* > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * SA 14:44 * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** 1 * * 3 ** > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > Navamsha > > > ******************************************************* > > > ** 8 * * 6 ** > > > *9 * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * VE * * * * > > > * * * * * JU * > > > *MER * 7 AS * 5 RA * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** * * ** > > > *10 * 4 * > > > ** * * ** > > > *11* * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > *MA * * * * * > > > *SA * 1 MO * 3 SU * > > > *KE * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > * * * * * * > > > ** 12 * * 2 ** > > > ******************************************************* > > > > > > Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis > > > ======================== > > > Ju/Sa 28.6.1943 > > > Ju/Me 9.1.1946 > > > Ju/Ke 15.4.1948 > > > Ju/Ve 22.3.1949 > > > Ju/Su 21.11.1951 > > > Ju/Mo 9.9.1952 > > > Ju/Ma 9.1.1954 > > > Ju/Ra 15.12.1954 > > > Sa/Sa 10.5.1957 > > > Sa/Me 13.5.1960 > > > Sa/Ke 21.1.1963 > > > Sa/Ve 1.3.1964 > > > Sa/Su 1.5.1967 > > > Sa/Mo 12.4.1968 > > > Sa/Ma 12.11.1969 > > > Sa/Ra 21.12.1970 > > > Sa/Ju 27.10.1973 > > > Me/Me 10.5.1976 > > > Me/Ke 6.10.1978 > > > Me/Ve 4.10.1979 > > > Me/Su 3.8.1982 > > > Me/Mo 10.6.1983 > > > Me/Ma 8.11.1984 > > > Me/Ra 6.11.1985 > > > Me/Ju 25.5.1988 > > > Me/Sa 31.8.1990 > > > Ke/Ke 10.5.1993 > > > Ke/Ve 6.10.1993 > > > Ke/Su 6.12.1994 > > > Ke/Mo 13.4.1995 > > > Ke/Ma 12.11.1995 > > > Ke/Ra 9.4.1996 > > > Ke/Ju 28.4.1997 > > > Ke/Sa 4.4.1998 > > > Ke/Me 14.5.1999 > > > Ve/Ve 10.5.2000 > > > Ve/Su 9.9.2003 > > > Ve/Mo 8.9.2004 > > > Ve/Ma 10.5.2006 > > > Ve/Ra 10.7.2007 > > > Ve/Ju 10.7.2010 > > > Ve/Sa 10.3.2013 > > > Ve/Me 10.5.2016 > > > Ve/Ke 11.3.2019 > > > Su/Su 10.5.2020 > > > Su/Mo 27.8.2020 > > > Su/Ma 26.2.2021 > > > Su/Ra 4.7.2021 > > > Su/Ju 29.5.2022 > > > Su/Sa 17.3.2023 > > > Su/Me 27.2.2024 > > > Su/Ke 2.1.2025 > > > Su/Ve 10.5.2025 > > > Mo/Mo 10.5.2026 > > > Mo/Ma 11.3.2027 > > > Mo/Ra 10.10.2027 > > > Mo/Ju 10.4.2029 > > > Mo/Sa 10.8.2030 > > > Mo/Me 10.3.2032 > > > Mo/Ke 9.8.2033 > > > Mo/Ve 10.3.2034 > > > Mo/Su 9.11.2035 > > > Ma/Ma 10.5.2036 > > > Ma/Ra 6.10.2036 > > > Ma/Ju 24.10.2037 > > > Ma/Sa 30.9.2038 > > > Ma/Me 9.11.2039 > > > Ma/Ke 5.11.2040 > > > Ma/Ve 3.4.2041 > > > Ma/Su 4.6.2042 > > > Ma/Mo 9.10.2042 > > > Ra/Ra 11.5.2043 > > > Ra/Ju 21.1.2046 > > > Ra/Sa 15.6.2048 > > > Ra/Me 22.4.2051 > > > Ra/Ke 9.11.2053 > > > Ra/Ve 27.11.2054 > > > Ra/Su 27.11.2057 > > > Ra/Mo 22.10.2058 > > > Ra/Ma 21.4.2060 > > > > > > The 10th lord Sun at 9° 06' is in the MEP of the 10th house, conjunct 2nd lord Jupiter at 13° 23', giving high status indeed and a strong benevolent state. The French are also religious, with the nation being mostly of the Catholic faith. The 11° 18' Scorpio ascendant also places Saturn as 4th lord at 14° 44' Gemini and in the MEP of the 8th house. From there it aspects 2nd Jupiter as 2nd lord of status and the 2nd house, as well as 10th house and 5th houses. With 12th lord Venus at 25° 25' Leo and 10th house. The influence of Saturn on the house of status and Jupiter (the planet of religion) and the good placement of Venus may explain why French design and architecture and art are known throughout the world, emphasising as it does churches and art museums (some colonial treasures from far away countries, that the original country wants returned). The aspect of Ketu to Mars as 6th lord explains, along with the Scorpio ascendant, the sudden > > > eruption of labour strife. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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