France: possible horoscopes

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Dear friends,

 

On the internet, we can find several times proposed as a basis for a horoscope for France:

 

 

First Republic: September 22, 1792, 9:18 am, Paris

Second Republic: February 24, 1848 6:00 pm, Paris

Third Republic: September 4, 1870 2:30 pm, Paris

Fourth Republic: October 10, 1946 2:40 pm, Paris

Fifth Republic: October 5, 1958, 12:00 am, CET, Paris (02E20'00"; 48N52'00") Asc: 24Cn50 (tropical)

Source: "The Fifth Republic came into existence with the publication of the new Constitution in the Journal Officiel on 5 October 1958, in Paris. It is understood that the legislation creating the Republic came into effect at 00.00 hrs..." Campion, "The Book of World Horoscopes," p.167.

 

Additional information: "France is a parliamentary democracy with a strong national government. Its present government, called the Fifth Republic, has been in effect since 1958. The First Republic was established in 1792. Between 1792 and 1958, the structure of the French government changed many times." The World Book Encyclopedia, CD-Rom edition, 1997.

http://members.tripod.com/tra_nations/a_france.htm

 

Nicholas Campion gives also another chart for the 5th Republic: Oct 6, 1958 at 6:30 pm CET - the approximate time of the fixing of the seal to the new Constitution. This chart is used by Liz Greene on Astro.com.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/countries/france.php

 

Liz Greene's chart for France

Fifth Republic: October 5, 1958, 6:30 pm, CET, Paris giving 20° Aries (tropical)

http://www.astro.com/im/in/chart_fr_e.gif?lang=e

 

To this we can add the following potential times, as mentioned in recent posts:

 

 

Fifth Republic: Referendum at 10:00 pm on 28 September 1958, Paris; AS 1° Gemini

 

Liberation of France

 

the liberation of Paris in the afternoon August 25 1944

the assumption of power by the (formerly in-exile) government in the evening of August 25, 1944

the removal of the German occupation forces from French territory on January 25, 1945.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

Cosmologer <cosmologersamva Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 8:44:46 PM France: liberation of Paris/De Gaulle returns

 

Dear Jo, Jolastro and other interested list members,

 

 

 

I have been considering a chart for France.

 

 

I have been thinking that if there is a modern event that could be equated with the rebirth of France, it could be associated with the rupture in French self-governance during World War II, when France was under German rule. While a government in exile existed it was more symbolic than actual. So, I began to research the history of this time and found the following:

 

"The liberation of Paris took place on August 25 1944 when general Dietrich von Choltitz accepted the French ultimatum and surrendered to general Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque, commander of the Free French 2nd Armored Division, ignoring orders from Hitler that Paris should be held to the last and to destroy the city."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_France#Liberation_of_France

 

De Gaulle’s provisional government takes over liberated France on August 25, 1944

On August 15, U.S. Gen. Jacob Dever's Sixth Army Group, consisting of a combined U.S. and French troops, conducted Operation Dragoon, invading the port city Marseille and marching up the Rhône River valley. Before Dever's forces met the other Allies, the Germans managed to remove more than half their forces from southern France. Still, on August 19, Supreme Allied Commander Dwight D. Eisenhower changed his original plan of stopping at the Seine, and decided to push on toward Germany. Spurred by the advancing Allies, Free French forces rose up in active resistance. By August 25, the U.S. V Corps entered Paris behind the French 2nd Armored Division, and Gen. Charles de Gaulle established his government that day.

http://www.answers.com/topic/liberation-of-france

　

DeGaulle returns to Paris for a rousing reception

"At the time he returned to France in August 1944 (he had not been told in advance of the D Day landings) his authority as leader of Free France was unquestioned and he received a tumultuous reception when he walked down the Champs Elysées on 25 August. To the status he enjoyed as liberator was added the authority he possessed as head of a provisional government which contained representatives of all France's political forces, including the

powerful Communist Party."

http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-de-gaulle

De Gaulle's speech on 25 August 1944

Why do you desire that we hide the emotion which seizes us all, men and women, who are here, at home, in Paris that stood up to liberate itself and that knew how to do this with its own hands? No! We will not hide this deep and sacred emotion. These are minutes which go beyond each of our poor lives. Paris! Outraged Paris! Broken Paris! Martyred Paris! But liberated Paris! Liberated by itself, liberated by its people with the help of the French armies, with the support and the help of all France, of the France that fights, of the only France, of the real France, of the eternal France! Well! Since the enemy which held Paris has capitulated into our hands, France returns to Paris, to her home. She returns bloody, but quite resolute. She returns there enlightened by the immense lesson, but more certain than ever of her duties and of her rights. I speak of her duties first, and I will sum them

all up by saying that for now, it is a matter of the duties of war. The enemy staggers, but he is not vanquished yet. He remains in our territory. It will not even be enough that we have, with the help of our dear and admirable Allies, chased him from our home for us to consider ourselves satisfied after what has happened. We want to enter his territory as is fitting, as victors. This is why the French vanguard has entered Paris with guns blazing. This is why the French grande armée of Italy has landed in Southern France (Operation Dragoon) and is advancing quickly up north through the Rhone valley. This is why our brave and dear Forces of the Interior will arm itself with modern weapons. It is for this revenge, this vengeance and justice, that we will keep fighting until the last day, until the day of total and complete victory. This duty of war, all the men who are here and all those who hear us in France know that it demands national unity. We, who

have lived the greatest hours of our History, we have nothing else to wish than to show ourselves, up to the end, worthy of France. Long live France!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Paris#De_Gaulle.27s_speech_.2825_August.29

 

It seems to me that the time of the Speech by De Gaulle could be worth investgating for seeing if a chart on this day could work.

 

The Three Parties governed from 1944 to 1946, or until the constitution for the Fourth Republic took effect on Oct. 13 1946.

 

Interestingly, for the authentic chart of France I wuold think that the planets Venus (giving enjoyment and arts), Saturn (legacy of ancient heritage) and Sun (the State) would be strong and importantly placed in the chart. A scorpio rising chart on this day, seems to foot the bill, but it is just one possibility. I would rather first look at the chart when De Gaulle made his triumphant speech before exploring other possibilities.

 

Best wishes,

 

 

Thor

 

PS The German army was finally pushed out of France on January 25, 1945.

 

"The Battle of the Bulge officially ended when the 501st airborne met the 101st on 25 January 1945...In the wake of the defeat, many experienced German units were left severely depleted of men and equipment, as survivors retreated to the defences of the Siegfried Line."

 

"Operation North Wind (Unternehmen Nordwind) was the last major German offensive of the Second World War on the Western Front. It began on 1 January 1945 in Alsace and Lorraine in north-eastern France, and it ended on 25 January."