The applying conjunction of transit Saturn to MEP of 2nd house in SAMVA USA chart

April 12, 2009

Hello Thor:

In Western astro, special attention is given to the point of station of

a planet, as it changes directions. How does SA view this, please?

From a Western viewpoint, we would expect to see a significant increase

in impact - with tSaturn stationing so close to an important sensitive

point.

Warmly, John

====================================

Cosmologer wrote:

Dear friends,

The applying aspect of transit Saturn to the MEP of the 2nd

house in April to June 2009 is similar to that seen in May to July

1950. The orb of the aspect to the MEP was closer in 1950 but a

more propitious sub-period of Mars was operating during the Jupiter

major period. Other aspects accompanied this aspect in 1950 as they

do in 2009, such as

- the transit of 6th lord Jupiter

into Aquarius and 8th house

- nodal affliction to natal 1st lord

Moon and natal 6th lord Jupiter

The aspect of transit Saturn to MEP became exact on April 17 and

again on June 11, 1950. It was within 1° orb throughout June. At that

time, US ally South Korea was invaded by North Korean. The conflict is

seen in the major period influence triggered by the transit of

Jupiter and aspects to its natal placement. The UN called for

action and US troops were airlifted to Korea. The US stock market which

had been rising into June, reaching 224,5 on June 22, began to drop and

reached a low of 197,5 on July 13, 12% lower, when it resumed its climb.

DJIA

12.3.1950

202,44

19.3.1950

207,57

26.3.1950

209,78

2.4.1950

206,05

9.4.1950

212,10

16.4.1950

215,31

23.4.1950

214,14

30.4.1950

213,56

7.5.1950

215,72

14.5.1950

217,61

21.5.1950

222,11

28.5.1950

221,93

4.6.1950

223,71

11.6.1950

226,86

18.6.1950

222,71

25.6.1950

224,35

2.7.1950

209,11

9.7.1950

208,59

16.7.1950

199,83

23.7.1950

207,65

At the present time, we have Venus-Saturn period operating and

transit Saturn is in an applying retrograde conjunction with the MEP of

the 2nd house, but will become just under 1° orb without becoming exact

this time around.

JUPITER

SATURN

RAHU

JUPITER

SATURN

RAHU

12.3.1950

29°Cp43'

22°Le30'R

14°Pi24'

9.4.2009

26°Cp33'

22°Le07'R

12°Cp31'

19.3.1950

1°Aq17'

21°Le57'R

14°Pi14'

16.4.2009

27°Cp44'

21°Le44'R

11°Cp28'

26.3.1950

2°Aq47'

21°Le26'R

14°Pi17'D

23.4.2009

28°Cp49'

21°Le25'R

11°Cp07'

2.4.1950

4°Aq14'

20°Le57'R

14°Pi18'D

30.4.2009

29°Cp48'

21°Le10'R

10°Cp05'

9.4.1950

5°Aq37'

20°Le31'R

14°Pi14'

7.5.2009

0°Aq40'

21°Le00'R

9°Cp39'

16.4.1950

6°Aq57'

20°Le08'R

14°Pi19'

14.5.2009

1°Aq24'

20°Le55'R

8°Cp34'

23.4.1950

8°Aq11'

19°Le50'R

13°Pi59'

21.5.2009

2°Aq01'

20°Le56'

8°Cp21'

30.4.1950

9°Aq20'

19°Le37'R

14°Pi00'

28.5.2009

2°Aq29'

21°Le01'

7°Cp35'

7.5.1950

10°Aq23'

19°Le28'R

13°Pi34'

4.6.2009

2°Aq49'

21°Le11'

7°Cp22'

14.5.1950

11°Aq20'

19°Le25'R

13°Pi34'

11.6.2009

2°Aq59'

21°Le27'

6°Cp41'

21.5.1950

12°Aq10'

19°Le26'

12°Pi42'

18.6.2009

3°Aq01'R

21°Le47'

6°Cp43'

28.5.1950

12°Aq52'

19°Le33'

12°Pi28'

25.6.2009

2°Aq52'R

22°Le11'

6°Cp22'D

4.6.1950

13°Aq27'

19°Le44'

11°Pi38'

2.7.2009

2°Aq35'R

22°Le40'

6°Cp23'

11.6.1950

13°Aq52'

20°Le01'

11°Pi25'

9.7.2009

2°Aq08'R

23°Le12'

6°Cp11'D

18.6.1950

14°Aq09'

20°Le22'

10°Pi12'

16.7.2009

1°Aq33'R

23°Le48'

6°Cp15'

25.6.1950

14°Aq16'

20°Le47'

9°Pi48'

23.7.2009

0°Aq52'R

24°Le27'

6°Cp13'D

2.7.1950

14°Aq14'R

21°Le17'

8°Pi50'

30.7.2009

0°Aq04'R

25°Le09'

6°Cp12'D

9.7.1950

14°Aq03'R

21°Le50'

8°Pi33'

6.8.2009

29°Cp12'R

25°Le53'

6°Cp16'

16.7.1950

13°Aq42'R

22°Le27'

7°Pi28'

13.8.2009

28°Cp18'R

26°Le40'

6°Cp03'

23.7.1950

13°Aq13'R

23°Le07'

7°Pi08'

20.8.2009

27°Cp23'R

27°Le28'

6°Cp05'

Given that the Saturn sub-period is operating, it is possible

the impact of transit Saturn may again be moderately felt as the

conjunction aspect is less exact and lasting for a shorter time in

2009. Possible results are a resumption of volatility in the stock

market in coming months and discord in the labour market over rising

unemployment, etc.

Interestingly, with transit Jupiter in the 7th house of foreign

policy now exactly under aspect of natal Saturn as 8th lord of

obstructions in the 5th house, the main foreign policy problem of the

USA at this time seem to be brazen acts of hostage taking of US

vessels for monetary extortion by pirates in remote waters.

Best wishes,

Thor

April 12, 2009

Hello John,

SA doesn´t consider the station-direct or station-retrograde as a rule per se. Retorgarde or direct motion are not considered important in SA. In addition to the functional and general nature of the planet(s) involved in an aspect, the focus on the quantum and timing of influence in SA is on

the exactness of the aspect (the closer the greater the influence)

the duration of the aspect (the longer lasting the greater the influence)

the applying or separating nature of the aspect (the applying aspect would have increasing influence and separating a lessening influence.

That said, an aspect within 1° orb on either side has the potential to strain a strong planet, while an orb of 5° has the power to harm a weak planet.

For instance, let us consider Saturn at 20° 55' Leo and goes station-direct in mid May 2009. It would likely have a different influence in charts with the MEP of a strong dispositor at 20°, 21° or 22°. In the first case, it would be a separating influence after being stationary in a non-exact aspect. In the second case it would be an applying in exact aspect for a short while after having been stationary very close to the MEP. The 21° rising sign would feel the impact most closely. In the third case, Saturn would briefly pass over the MEP some weeks later, at close to normal speed, with the least influence of the three cases.

Best wishes,

Thor

Dr. John D. Andre <DrJDAndreSAMVA Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:17:18 PM The applying conjunction of transit Saturn to MEP of 2nd house in SAMVA USA chart

Hello Thor:In Western astro, special attention is given to the point of station of a planet, as it changes directions. How does SA view this, please? From a Western viewpoint, we would expect to see a significant increase in impact - with tSaturn stationing so close to an important sensitive point.Warmly, John====================================Cosmologer wrote:

Dear friends,

The applying aspect of transit Saturn to the MEP of the 2nd house in April to June 2009 is similar to that seen in May to July 1950. The orb of the aspect to the MEP was closer in 1950 but a more propitious sub-period of Mars was operating during the Jupiter major period. Other aspects accompanied this aspect in 1950 as they do in 2009, such as

- the transit of 6th lord Jupiter into Aquarius and 8th house

- nodal affliction to natal 1st lord Moon and natal 6th lord Jupiter

The aspect of transit Saturn to MEP became exact on April 17 and again on June 11, 1950. It was within 1° orb throughout June. At that time, US ally South Korea was invaded by North Korean. The conflict is seen in the major period influence triggered by the transit of Jupiter and aspects to its natal placement. The UN called for action and US troops were airlifted to Korea. The US stock market which had been rising into June, reaching 224,5 on June 22, began to drop and reached a low of 197,5 on July 13, 12% lower, when it resumed its climb.

DJIA

12.3.1950

202,44

19.3.1950

207,57

26.3.1950

209,78

2.4.1950

206,05

9.4.1950

212,10

16.4.1950

215,31

23.4.1950

214,14

30.4.1950

213,56

7.5.1950

215,72

14.5.1950

217,61

21.5.1950

222,11

28.5.1950

221,93

4.6.1950

223,71

11.6.1950

226,86

18.6.1950

222,71

25.6.1950

224,35

2.7.1950

209,11

9.7.1950

208,59

16.7.1950

199,83

23.7.1950

207,65

At the present time, we have Venus-Saturn period operating and transit Saturn is in an applying retrograde conjunction with the MEP of the 2nd house, but will become just under 1° orb without becoming exact this time around.

JUPITER

SATURN

RAHU

JUPITER

SATURN

RAHU

12.3.1950

29°Cp43'

22°Le30'R

14°Pi24'

9.4.2009

26°Cp33'

22°Le07'R

12°Cp31'

19.3.1950

1°Aq17'

21°Le57'R

14°Pi14'

16.4.2009

27°Cp44'

21°Le44'R

11°Cp28'

26.3.1950

2°Aq47'

21°Le26'R

14°Pi17'D

23.4.2009

28°Cp49'

21°Le25'R

11°Cp07'

2.4.1950

4°Aq14'

20°Le57'R

14°Pi18'D

30.4.2009

29°Cp48'

21°Le10'R

10°Cp05'

9.4.1950

5°Aq37'

20°Le31'R

14°Pi14'

7.5.2009

0°Aq40'

21°Le00'R

9°Cp39'

16.4.1950

6°Aq57'

20°Le08'R

14°Pi19'

14.5.2009

1°Aq24'

20°Le55'R

8°Cp34'

23.4.1950

8°Aq11'

19°Le50'R

13°Pi59'

21.5.2009

2°Aq01'

20°Le56'

8°Cp21'

30.4.1950

9°Aq20'

19°Le37'R

14°Pi00'

28.5.2009

2°Aq29'

21°Le01'

7°Cp35'

7.5.1950

10°Aq23'

19°Le28'R

13°Pi34'

4.6.2009

2°Aq49'

21°Le11'

7°Cp22'

14.5.1950

11°Aq20'

19°Le25'R

13°Pi34'

11.6.2009

2°Aq59'

21°Le27'

6°Cp41'

21.5.1950

12°Aq10'

19°Le26'

12°Pi42'

18.6.2009

3°Aq01'R

21°Le47'

6°Cp43'

28.5.1950

12°Aq52'

19°Le33'

12°Pi28'

25.6.2009

2°Aq52'R

22°Le11'

6°Cp22'D

4.6.1950

13°Aq27'

19°Le44'

11°Pi38'

2.7.2009

2°Aq35'R

22°Le40'

6°Cp23'

11.6.1950

13°Aq52'

20°Le01'

11°Pi25'

9.7.2009

2°Aq08'R

23°Le12'

6°Cp11'D

18.6.1950

14°Aq09'

20°Le22'

10°Pi12'

16.7.2009

1°Aq33'R

23°Le48'

6°Cp15'

25.6.1950

14°Aq16'

20°Le47'

9°Pi48'

23.7.2009

0°Aq52'R

24°Le27'

6°Cp13'D

2.7.1950

14°Aq14'R

21°Le17'

8°Pi50'

30.7.2009

0°Aq04'R

25°Le09'

6°Cp12'D

9.7.1950

14°Aq03'R

21°Le50'

8°Pi33'

6.8.2009

29°Cp12'R

25°Le53'

6°Cp16'

16.7.1950

13°Aq42'R

22°Le27'

7°Pi28'

13.8.2009

28°Cp18'R

26°Le40'

6°Cp03'

23.7.1950

13°Aq13'R

23°Le07'

7°Pi08'

20.8.2009

27°Cp23'R

27°Le28'

6°Cp05'

Given that the Saturn sub-period is operating, it is possible the impact of transit Saturn may again be moderately felt as the conjunction aspect is less exact and lasting for a shorter time in 2009. Possible results are a resumption of volatility in the stock market in coming months and discord in the labour market over rising unemployment, etc.

Interestingly, with transit Jupiter in the 7th house of foreign policy now exactly under aspect of natal Saturn as 8th lord of obstructions in the 5th house, the main foreign policy problem of the USA at this time seem to be brazen acts of hostage taking of US vessels for monetary extortion by pirates in remote waters.

Best wishes,

Thor