Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage.com.au/world/obamas-stance-worries-israelis-20090417-aa90.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hello my dear Thor, It would be more than the tension and outright hostility is seen. Iran is in the sub period of the Moon in the main period of Rahu. Rahu is on the MEP of the house while the Moon is under the close aspect of the MMP. Rahu will not allow Iran government to make efforts to settle the matter for avoiding outright hostility. Best wishes. - Cosmologer samva Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:50 PM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage.com.au/world/obamas-stance-worries-israelis-20090417-aa90.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Dear Thor, Peace and longelivity are questionable in the turbulent charts of Israel and Iran. The 50 year rule, and the subperiods now and coming, do not paint a rosy picture. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <samva > Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:20 AM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage.com.au/world/obamas-stance-worries-israelis-20090417-aa90.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hello Gabriella Mittelman, We always wish and pray for peace despite what the planetary influences say. Best wishes. - Gaby Mittelman SAMVA Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:04 PM FW: Israel, Iran and the USA Dear everybody For one who actually lives in Israel, it is difficult for me to read all these mails, waiting " for something" to happen. Why not think positive, and whish that the Iranians would vote and change this government, that brings them to " no return"? If we " paint the devil on the wall, it'll appear- " says an old Hungarian proverb.. So lets make an effort, and see the bright side of things. Israel has been in war since … always, at it will always be, no news there, what we can do is be happy meanwhile, rejoice of every peaceful day, at the beach with a nice wind, and fruit shake. Think positive ! Thank you Gabriella Mittelman www.astroworld.co.il http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI (eng.page) SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Vyas MunidasSaturday, April 18, 2009 5:39 PMSAMVA Subject: Re: Israel, Iran and the USA Dear Thor,Peace and longelivity are questionable in the turbulent charts of Israel and Iran. The 50 year rule, and the subperiods now and coming, do not paint a rosy picture.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer ><samva >Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:20 AM Israel, Iran and the USADear list members,A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran.Now we read the following news story:Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sitesJerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government.Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.eceAs has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of theUSA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen.The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu.Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest.mid July 2009early October 2009mid August 2010This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that timea) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' CapricornUSA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7HIsrael: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7HIran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7Hb) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' CapricornIran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L SunUSA: no close afflictionThe question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think?Best wishes,ThorObama's stance worries IsraelisApril 18, 2009CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank.http://www.theage.com.au/world/obamas-stance-worries-israelis-20090417-aa90.html__________ NOD32 4018 (20090418) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Dear Gaby, You are very right, we should all think positive. While people should also be so fortunate as to always elect wise leaders, that is not always the case. Now the international news media is reporting such concerns. The leaders are also making pronouncements that are not comforting. There is a saying "ignorance is bliss", and to a point it is right. However, it is not considered wise to purposefully avoid knowledge of difficult situations. It is better to know. As another saying goes, "forewarned is forearmed." All we are trying to do on SAMVA is to predict the timing of stressful episodes, which appear periodically in all of human life, with SA astrology. With the news we can then follow the predictions and assess the authenticity of the charts. So, we are not engaging in this to think negative or to disturb people living in the respective countries, but simply to test the mundane charts for the countries involved. Importantly, it is not because we like to think about negative events, only that they lend them selves more easily to following as the media and reading public appear to be more interested in negative news than positive. In between such epsiodes are the longer periods of peace and tranquility. It is true for all countries. Hopefully, having better knowledge of mundane affairs can help people to take precautions and, better yet, for the leaders to avoid rash decisions that can prove harmful when the transit and period dynamics are difficult. Best wishes, Thor Gaby Mittelman <gabymittSAMVA Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:34:09 PMFW: Israel, Iran and the USA Dear everybody For one who actually lives in Israel , it is difficult for me to read all these mails, waiting " for something" to happen. Why not think positive, and whish that the Iranians would vote and change this government, that brings them to " no return"? If we " paint the devil on the wall, it'll appear- " says an old Hungarian proverb.. So lets make an effort, and see the bright side of things. Israel has been in war since … always, at it will always be, no news there, what we can do is be happy meanwhile, rejoice of every peaceful day, at the beach with a nice wind, and fruit shake. Think positive ! Thank you Gabriella Mittelman www.astroworld.co.il http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI (eng.page) SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Vyas MunidasSaturday, April 18, 2009 5:39 PMSAMVA Subject: Re: Israel , Iran and the USA Dear Thor,Peace and longelivity are questionable in the turbulent charts of Israel and Iran . The 50 year rule, and the subperiods now and coming, do not paint a rosy picture.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer ><samva >Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:20 AM Israel , Iran and the USADear list members,A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran .Now we read the following news story:Israel stands ready to bomb Iran 's nuclear sitesJerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran 's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government.Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.eceAs has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran 's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran , in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US , with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran . The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of theUSA . Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel , Iran and USA , what may happen.The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu.Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest.mid July 2009early October 2009mid August 2010This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that timea) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' CapricornUSA : 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7HIsrael : 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7HIran : 6L conjunct MEP of 7Hb) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' CapricornIran : 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9Israel : Transit Rahu afflicts 8L SunUSA : no close afflictionThe question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think?Best wishes,ThorObama's stance worries IsraelisApril 18, 2009CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel , the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington , then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank .http://www.theage. com.au/world/ obamas-stance- worries-israelis -20090417- aa90.html__________ NOD32 4018 (20090418) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hi Gabriel, These discussions aren't meant to disturb anyone. Accurate astrological perspective is not meant to be feared, but serves as an advance warning - divine grace, for those who can take it. Nevertheless, bleak perspectives can be disturbing and we should all say some prayers and make some offerings as global citizens to cool these situations. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Gaby Mittelman " <gabymitt <SAMVA > Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:34 PM FW: Israel, Iran and the USA Dear everybody For one who actually lives in Israel, it is difficult for me to read all these mails, waiting " for something " to happen. Why not think positive, and whish that the Iranians would vote and change this government, that brings them to " no return " ? If we " paint the devil on the wall, it'll appear- " says an old Hungarian proverb.. So lets make an effort, and see the bright side of things. Israel has been in war since … always, at it will always be, no news there, what we can do is be happy meanwhile, rejoice of every peaceful day, at the beach with a nice wind, and fruit shake. Think positive ! Thank you Gabriella Mittelman www.astroworld.co.il <http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI> http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI (eng.page) _____ SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Vyas Munidas Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:39 PM SAMVA Re: Israel, Iran and the USA Dear Thor, Peace and longelivity are questionable in the turbulent charts of Israel and Iran. The 50 year rule, and the subperiods now and coming, do not paint a rosy picture. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer (AT) (DOT) <cosmologer%40> com> <samva (AT) (DOT) <samva%40> com> Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:20 AM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonl <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece> ine.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage. <http://www.theage.com.au/world/obamas-stance-worries-israelis-20090417-aa90 ..html> com.au/world/obamas-stance-worries-israelis-20090417-aa90.html __________ NOD32 4018 (20090418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Dear everybody For one who actually lives in Israel, it is difficult for me to read all these mails, waiting " for something " to happen. Why not think positive, and whish that the Iranians would vote and change this government, that brings them to " no return " ? If we " paint the devil on the wall, it'll appear- " says an old Hungarian proverb.. So lets make an effort, and see the bright side of things. Israel has been in war since … always, at it will always be, no news there, what we can do is be happy meanwhile, rejoice of every peaceful day, at the beach with a nice wind, and fruit shake. Think positive ! Thank you Gabriella Mittelman www.astroworld.co.il http://www.astroworld.co.il/default.asp?iId=KDHLI (eng.page) SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of Vyas Munidas Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:39 PM SAMVA Re: Israel, Iran and the USA Dear Thor, Peace and longelivity are questionable in the turbulent charts of Israel and Iran. The 50 year rule, and the subperiods now and coming, do not paint a rosy picture. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer > <samva > Saturday, April 18, 2009 3:20 AM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6115903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage.com.au/world/obamas-stance-worries-israelis-20090417-aa90.html __________ NOD32 4018 (20090418) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Hello my dear , Thank you for the clarification about the overall reading of the 23°42' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on the proclamation of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Indeed, there are massive afflictions seen in this chart, with - natal FM RAHU is exactly conjunct the MEP of the 2nd house. This affliction makes a country liable to engage in manipulation with respect to relations with neighboring countries, its status and wealth. Rahu induced behaviour is often seen to backfire during transit afflictions and result in a crisis. - natal 8th lord SATURN is at 14° 43' Leo and 2nd house, where its indications would be undermined by Rahu's affliction of the 2nd house and Ketus affliction of its 8th house. Moreover, Saturn moderately afflicts the 1st lord Moon, which is strong due to exaltation at 13° 11' Taurus and 11th house, bringing obstacles to the self image of the country. The 1st house is also free from affliction, although hosting a FM, the 6th lord Jupiter in its sign of exaltation. Saturn also afflicts 4th lord Venus at 10° 22' Aquarius and the 8th house, causing obstacles for women, comforts and the collective harmony of the people, more so as Ketu natally afflicts the 4th house. - natal 6th lord JUPITER is exalted at 5° 30' Cancer and 1st house but afflicts 3rd lord Mercury at 3° 42' Pisces and 10th lord Mars at 2° 03' Pisces and 9th house. Fixity of views would make initiatives and presence in the world, likely of a religious nature, controversial. In this regard we may note that Rahu exactly afflicts also the 6th and 10th houses and Ketu afflcts the 8th house, as well as the 12th, 2nd and 4th houses. While the 2nd lord Sun is well placed at 17° 32' Pisces and 9th house, consistent with a religious state, the affliction of the nodes of the 2nd house weakens the Sun quite a bit. Iran was running Moon major period from founding of the Islamic Republic until 7 November 1986, when it ran the Mars major period until 6 November 1993. Since then it has been running the Rahu major period and it will end on 7 November 2011 when the major period of 6th lord Jupiter begins. The question is to time the difficult time when hostilities are possible: The second week of July 2009 looks challenging, when - transit Rahu at 6° 15' Cancer will be stationary closely conjunct natal 6th lord Jupiter - transit 8th lord Saturn will be conjunct natal Rahu and opposite natal Ketu - transit 6th lord Jupiter will be badly placed and infant in the 8th house - transit 2nd lord Sun and 3rd lord Mercury will be badly placed in 12th house under aspect from Ketu - transit Moon will pass through 8th house That said, given that this is the sub-period of the Moon and Saturn becomes stationary at 21° Leo for the next two months, where it is conjunct the nodal axis in the MEP of the 2nd house, any time prior to this is also possible, indeed as repeatedly publicly warned by the leaders in Irsrael in recent days. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:22:06 AMRe: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear Thor, It would be more than the tension and outright hostility is seen. Iran is in the sub period of the Moon in the main period of Rahu. Rahu is on the MEP of the house while the Moon is under the close aspect of the MMP. Rahu will not allow Iran government to make efforts to settle the matter for avoiding outright hostility. Best wishes. - Cosmologer samva Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:50 PM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/news/ world/middle_ east/article6115 903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage. com.au/world/ obamas-stance- worries-israelis -20090417- aa90.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Dear friends, The President of Iran has given another militarisitic speech... Ahmadinejad: No one will dare attack us Apr. 18, 2009 - THE JERUSALEM POST Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told his nation on Saturday that "no country in the region threatens Iran," just hours after London's The Times published a report claiming that Israel was preparing to attack targets in Iran within hours of receiving a green light from the government in Jerusalem. Speaking during a ceremony on Iran's Army Day, Ahmadinejad said Iran was one of the strongest countries in the region and that "the gall to threaten the Iranian nation has been quashed forever.The Iranian nation is ready to become more involved in maintaining order and security based on justice in many regions of the world," Ahmadinejad said. His speech on Saturday was much more toned down than Army Day speeches from previous years. In 2006 Ahmadinejad warned that Iran's army would "cut off the hand of whoever dares attack it." In 2007 he said "the resistance of the Iranian people will bring down world powers." The parade of military equipment on Saturday was also more modest than in previous years. While announcements prior to the parade said 140 jets would fly in formation, only several dozen helicopters dotted the skies of Iran on Saturday. An official explained that weather conditions prevented the jet air maneuvers from taking place. Shihab and Khader missiles, which are usually driven atop their launching vehicles in the streets of Teheran, were also missing. But Zilzal missiles, armored personnel carriers, unmanned aircraft and even small submarines surrounded by marching soldiers in diving masks were present. The forces passed before a stage where Ahmadinejad and his top brass were sitting. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1239710719757 & pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter Best wishes, Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 7:41:38 AMRe: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear , Thank you for the clarification about the overall reading of the 23°42' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on the proclamation of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Indeed, there are massive afflictions seen in this chart, with - natal FM RAHU is exactly conjunct the MEP of the 2nd house. This affliction makes a country liable to engage in manipulation with respect to relations with neighboring countries, its status and wealth. Rahu induced behaviour is often seen to backfire during transit afflictions and result in a crisis. - natal 8th lord SATURN is at 14° 43' Leo and 2nd house, where its indications would be undermined by Rahu's affliction of the 2nd house and Ketus affliction of its 8th house. Moreover, Saturn moderately afflicts the 1st lord Moon, which is strong due to exaltation at 13° 11' Taurus and 11th house, bringing obstacles to the self image of the country. The 1st house is also free from affliction, although hosting a FM, the 6th lord Jupiter in its sign of exaltation. Saturn also afflicts 4th lord Venus at 10° 22' Aquarius and the 8th house, causing obstacles for women, comforts and the collective harmony of the people, more so as Ketu natally afflicts the 4th house. - natal 6th lord JUPITER is exalted at 5° 30' Cancer and 1st house but afflicts 3rd lord Mercury at 3° 42' Pisces and 10th lord Mars at 2° 03' Pisces and 9th house. Fixity of views would make initiatives and presence in the world, likely of a religious nature, controversial. In this regard we may note that Rahu exactly afflicts also the 6th and 10th houses and Ketu afflcts the 8th house, as well as the 12th, 2nd and 4th houses. While the 2nd lord Sun is well placed at 17° 32' Pisces and 9th house, consistent with a religious state, the affliction of the nodes of the 2nd house weakens the Sun quite a bit. Iran was running Moon major period from founding of the Islamic Republic until 7 November 1986, when it ran the Mars major period until 6 November 1993. Since then it has been running the Rahu major period and it will end on 7 November 2011 when the major period of 6th lord Jupiter begins. The question is to time the difficult time when hostilities are possible: The second week of July 2009 looks challenging, when - transit Rahu at 6° 15' Cancer will be stationary closely conjunct natal 6th lord Jupiter - transit 8th lord Saturn will be conjunct natal Rahu and opposite natal Ketu - transit 6th lord Jupiter will be badly placed and infant in the 8th house - transit 2nd lord Sun and 3rd lord Mercury will be badly placed in 12th house under aspect from Ketu - transit Moon will pass through 8th house That said, given that this is the sub-period of the Moon and Saturn becomes stationary at 21° Leo for the next two months, where it is conjunct the nodal axis in the MEP of the 2nd house, any time prior to this is also possible, indeed as repeatedly publicly warned by the leaders in Irsrael in recent days. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:22:06 AMRe: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear Thor, It would be more than the tension and outright hostility is seen. Iran is in the sub period of the Moon in the main period of Rahu. Rahu is on the MEP of the house while the Moon is under the close aspect of the MMP. Rahu will not allow Iran government to make efforts to settle the matter for avoiding outright hostility. Best wishes. - Cosmologer samva Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:50 PM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/news/ world/middle_ east/article6115 903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage. com.au/world/ obamas-stance- worries-israelis -20090417- aa90.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Hello my dear Thor, You have rightly brought out the planetary influences. Let us wait and see further developments. Another point which was mentioned in the Conference by me was that when 6th lord is in the ascendant the owner of the chart gets involved in controversies. Discussing such a person also breeds controversies. So, it is better to watch the developments with patience once the planetary influences have been discussed. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:11 PM Re: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear , Thank you for the clarification about the overall reading of the 23°42' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on the proclamation of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Indeed, there are massive afflictions seen in this chart, with - natal FM RAHU is exactly conjunct the MEP of the 2nd house. This affliction makes a country liable to engage in manipulation with respect to relations with neighboring countries, its status and wealth. Rahu induced behaviour is often seen to backfire during transit afflictions and result in a crisis. - natal 8th lord SATURN is at 14° 43' Leo and 2nd house, where its indications would be undermined by Rahu's affliction of the 2nd house and Ketus affliction of its 8th house. Moreover, Saturn moderately afflicts the 1st lord Moon, which is strong due to exaltation at 13° 11' Taurus and 11th house, bringing obstacles to the self image of the country. The 1st house is also free from affliction, although hosting a FM, the 6th lord Jupiter in its sign of exaltation. Saturn also afflicts 4th lord Venus at 10° 22' Aquarius and the 8th house, causing obstacles for women, comforts and the collective harmony of the people, more so as Ketu natally afflicts the 4th house. - natal 6th lord JUPITER is exalted at 5° 30' Cancer and 1st house but afflicts 3rd lord Mercury at 3° 42' Pisces and 10th lord Mars at 2° 03' Pisces and 9th house. Fixity of views would make initiatives and presence in the world, likely of a religious nature, controversial. In this regard we may note that Rahu exactly afflicts also the 6th and 10th houses and Ketu afflcts the 8th house, as well as the 12th, 2nd and 4th houses. While the 2nd lord Sun is well placed at 17° 32' Pisces and 9th house, consistent with a religious state, the affliction of the nodes of the 2nd house weakens the Sun quite a bit. Iran was running Moon major period from founding of the Islamic Republic until 7 November 1986, when it ran the Mars major period until 6 November 1993. Since then it has been running the Rahu major period and it will end on 7 November 2011 when the major period of 6th lord Jupiter begins. The question is to time the difficult time when hostilities are possible: The second week of July 2009 looks challenging, when - transit Rahu at 6° 15' Cancer will be stationary closely conjunct natal 6th lord Jupiter - transit 8th lord Saturn will be conjunct natal Rahu and opposite natal Ketu - transit 6th lord Jupiter will be badly placed and infant in the 8th house - transit 2nd lord Sun and 3rd lord Mercury will be badly placed in 12th house under aspect from Ketu - transit Moon will pass through 8th house That said, given that this is the sub-period of the Moon and Saturn becomes stationary at 21° Leo for the next two months, where it is conjunct the nodal axis in the MEP of the 2nd house, any time prior to this is also possible, indeed as repeatedly publicly warned by the leaders in Irsrael in recent days. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry >SAMVA Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:22:06 AMRe: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear Thor, It would be more than the tension and outright hostility is seen. Iran is in the sub period of the Moon in the main period of Rahu. Rahu is on the MEP of the house while the Moon is under the close aspect of the MMP. Rahu will not allow Iran government to make efforts to settle the matter for avoiding outright hostility. Best wishes. - Cosmologer samva Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:50 PM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/news/ world/middle_ east/article6115 903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage. com.au/world/ obamas-stance- worries-israelis -20090417- aa90.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Hello my dear , Sure, enough has been said on this topic for now and we can montior the evolving situation. Thanks for the additional insights on placement of 6th lord in 1st house. It is well known that those with such placements may become involved in controversies. It is indeed an interesting new insight that discussing such persons or countries may also generate controversies. Hopefully, the tensions will be resolved through peaceful means as President Obama is trying to do by engaging the more controversial leaders in a dialogue based on mutual respect and trust. The absence of an authentic birth chart for him is a decided disadvantage. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:35:19 AMRe: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear Thor, You have rightly brought out the planetary influences. Let us wait and see further developments. Another point which was mentioned in the Conference by me was that when 6th lord is in the ascendant the owner of the chart gets involved in controversies. Discussing such a person also breeds controversies. So, it is better to watch the developments with patience once the planetary influences have been discussed. Best wishes. - Cosmologer SAMVA Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:11 PM Re: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear , Thank you for the clarification about the overall reading of the 23°42' Cancer rising chart for Iran based on the proclamation of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Indeed, there are massive afflictions seen in this chart, with - natal FM RAHU is exactly conjunct the MEP of the 2nd house. This affliction makes a country liable to engage in manipulation with respect to relations with neighboring countries, its status and wealth. Rahu induced behaviour is often seen to backfire during transit afflictions and result in a crisis. - natal 8th lord SATURN is at 14° 43' Leo and 2nd house, where its indications would be undermined by Rahu's affliction of the 2nd house and Ketus affliction of its 8th house. Moreover, Saturn moderately afflicts the 1st lord Moon, which is strong due to exaltation at 13° 11' Taurus and 11th house, bringing obstacles to the self image of the country. The 1st house is also free from affliction, although hosting a FM, the 6th lord Jupiter in its sign of exaltation. Saturn also afflicts 4th lord Venus at 10° 22' Aquarius and the 8th house, causing obstacles for women, comforts and the collective harmony of the people, more so as Ketu natally afflicts the 4th house. - natal 6th lord JUPITER is exalted at 5° 30' Cancer and 1st house but afflicts 3rd lord Mercury at 3° 42' Pisces and 10th lord Mars at 2° 03' Pisces and 9th house. Fixity of views would make initiatives and presence in the world, likely of a religious nature, controversial. In this regard we may note that Rahu exactly afflicts also the 6th and 10th houses and Ketu afflcts the 8th house, as well as the 12th, 2nd and 4th houses. While the 2nd lord Sun is well placed at 17° 32' Pisces and 9th house, consistent with a religious state, the affliction of the nodes of the 2nd house weakens the Sun quite a bit. Iran was running Moon major period from founding of the Islamic Republic until 7 November 1986, when it ran the Mars major period until 6 November 1993. Since then it has been running the Rahu major period and it will end on 7 November 2011 when the major period of 6th lord Jupiter begins. The question is to time the difficult time when hostilities are possible: The second week of July 2009 looks challenging, when - transit Rahu at 6° 15' Cancer will be stationary closely conjunct natal 6th lord Jupiter - transit 8th lord Saturn will be conjunct natal Rahu and opposite natal Ketu - transit 6th lord Jupiter will be badly placed and infant in the 8th house - transit 2nd lord Sun and 3rd lord Mercury will be badly placed in 12th house under aspect from Ketu - transit Moon will pass through 8th house That said, given that this is the sub-period of the Moon and Saturn becomes stationary at 21° Leo for the next two months, where it is conjunct the nodal axis in the MEP of the 2nd house, any time prior to this is also possible, indeed as repeatedly publicly warned by the leaders in Irsrael in recent days. Best wishes, Thor SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:22:06 AMRe: Israel, Iran and the USA Hello my dear Thor, It would be more than the tension and outright hostility is seen. Iran is in the sub period of the Moon in the main period of Rahu. Rahu is on the MEP of the house while the Moon is under the close aspect of the MMP. Rahu will not allow Iran government to make efforts to settle the matter for avoiding outright hostility. Best wishes. - Cosmologer samva Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:50 PM Israel, Iran and the USA Dear list members, A few years ago, correctly predicted that reported tensions between the USA and Iran would not lead to war. This accurate prediction was based on the 24° Cancer rising chart for Iran. Now we read the following news story: Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites Jerusalem (The Times) April 18, 2009 The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government. Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack. http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/news/ world/middle_ east/article6115 903.ece As has been mentioned on this list, there are continuing concerns in Israel about Iran's nuclear developments, which it considers a grave threat to its security. The leaders of Israel have repeatedly raised this concern publicly and actually made a threat to strike at the facilities in Iran, in order to detroy them, if Iran does not suspend the program. The Israeli's performed a strike against nuclear facilites in Iraq in the early 1980s, so they have a reputation in this regard. At the same time, the stakes seem higher now, with present day Iran likely a mightier foe than Iran in the early 1980s, when the Iran and Iraq were also at war. Moreover, the Israeli's are becoming concerned about the support they may expect from their traditional ally the US, with the Obama administration, if things come to a head with Iran. The Obama administration is insisting Israel must change its settlement policy on the West Bank to be in the good books of the USA. Even then, the USA seems intent on finding a diplomatic solution. To stop the settlements seems to be hard for the Israeli's to accept. So, the situation is complex. There is now the question if we can deduct from the respective charts of Israel, Iran and USA, what may happen. The transits at the present time do not look overly threatening in this regard, especially in the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel. However, the transit of 8L Saturn in the MEP of H2 in Iran and USA would be difficult, especially in Iran as 8L Saturn is conjunct natal Rahu. Looking further ahead, the following three times appear of interest. mid July 2009 early October 2009 mid August 2010 This year, I find the early October 2009 time more interesting. At that time a) transit Jupiter will be stationary at 23° 16' Capricorn USA: 6L conjunct 2L Sun in MEP of 7H Israel: 12L opposite 2L Saturn in MEP of 7H Iran: 6L conjunct MEP of 7H b) transit Saturn at 3° 05' Virgo will be under aspect from transit Rahu at 3° 10' Capricorn Iran: 8L opposite 10L Mars and 3L Mercury in Pisces/H9 Israel: Transit Rahu afflicts 8L Sun USA: no close affliction The question is what to expect. It seems to me that the transit and period influences suggest rising tension but not outright hostilities. What do you think? Best wishes, Thor Obama's stance worries Israelis April 18, 2009 CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media. Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel. Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations ... If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank. http://www.theage. com.au/world/ obamas-stance- worries-israelis -20090417- aa90.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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