Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Dear Professor and Mr Thor from the perspective of economic crise all over the world, is there sign of better global perspective and what charts should be studied in order to conclude more about the matter considering World Economic system? Considering the fact that global neo-liberal capitalism is again in crise, bigger than ever, is it possible to predict global step-by-step movement of civilization towards the more human society (socialism or....) and political-economic system? Is there any sign of global political movement simmilar to some kind of social-political-economic change, lets say Quite- ®evolution against the capitalism? (we are witnessing that Manifest of the Communist party and simmilar Theories are again in focus for many people at West? Finnaly what would be significators for those kind of global changes? kind regards Zoran Gligoric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hello Zoran, It is hard to answer such a question without a close analysis of the authentic horoscopes of the countries involved. I´ll try to give an answer to your question based on an analysis of the SAMVA USA chart. First, I would direct your attention to two mundane indications in this regards to notably Saturn and the 8th house. Saturn rules "civil servants, low technology industry and mines. It acts as significator for the fourth and eighth houses," and those working hard for less pay. In other words, populist theories would be supported by a pronounced influence of a strong Saturn. At this time, Saturn is transiting Leo and it will move into the sign Virgo in September 2009. Virgo is a sign linked to service and work as the 6th sign of the zodiac. Hence, we could think that this influence would promote a more working class ethic where Saturn is important for the national chart at this time. Meanwhile, the 8th house rules "beliefs of the masses," in addition to obstructions and endings, etc.. http://www.yournetastrologer.com/mundane_astrology.htm A strong 8th lord or well aspected 8th house would tend to give a country a sense of legitimacy or popular support for ideas consistent with its chart. If the 8th lord was weak or afflicted or the 8th house badly tenanted or aspected, it would reduce the legitimacy and bring problems or challenges to the ideas prevailing in the country. In the article, Predictions for the USA in 2009 (December 31, 2008), I noted that "The trend is clearly towards populist reforms in the wake of the collapse and public rescue of the financial sector." The logic is that in the SAMVA USA chart, the Venus-Saturn period is now operating since mid February 2009. Hence, the following prediction was made: "During this [saturn sub-] period, the focus will shift gradually from the financial stability concerns of recent years during the Jupiter sub-period to issues indicated by Saturn. As 8th lord, there will be increased awareness of obstacles and endings in the national life during the Saturn period, but also on easy gains for the common people, such as through changes in the tax code or other reforms. As Saturn is a general indicator of the economy, working people and things mined from the ground the reforms and issues will be focused on these areas of the national life. The economy may become sluggish at this time. Moreover, as Saturn is natally placed in the 5th house, problems will tend to be found in the domain of national life ruled by this house. In other words, the focus will be on problems in the management of the economy or of ordinary or disenfranchised people. Obstacles will also be felt in the area of speculation on financial and other markets and in the life of institutions of higher learning or the software and entertainment industries. As Saturn afflicts the 2nd lord Sun in the chart, the period will be characterised by obstacles and challenges facing the wealth and status of the country as well as the US President. " http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/12/predictions-for-usa-in-2009.htmlAs the USA has a strong and well placed Saturn as 8th lord, socialist ideas have never had deep support. However, at this time the recptivity would be expected to be greater, especially from the autumn. When we compare the Saturn period in the early 1890s and today, we see that the earlier period had Saturn transiting Virgo only at the very end of the Saturn period. Hence, we could expect more "working class" emphasis this time around. A similar analysis could be attempted for other countries. Best wishes, Thor Zoran Gligoric <z_gligoricSAMVA Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:28:51 AM global moving of civilization... Dear Professor and Mr Thor from the perspective of economic crise all over the world, is there sign of better global perspective and what charts should be studied in order to conclude more about the matter considering World Economic system? Considering the fact that global neo-liberal capitalism is again in crise, bigger than ever, is it possible to predict global step-by-step movement of civilization towards the more human society (socialism or....) and political-economic system? Is there any sign of global political movement simmilar to some kind of social-political-economic change, lets say Quite- ®evolution against the capitalism? (we are witnessing that Manifest of the Communist party and simmilar Theories are again in focus for many people at West? Finnaly what would be significators for those kind of global changes? kind regards Zoran Gligoric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Dear Mr Thor thank you very much for detailed analyse. It was very helpfull to understand the point. kind regards Zoran--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Cosmologer <cosmologerRe: global moving of civilization...SAMVA Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 12:43 AM Hello Zoran, It is hard to answer such a question without a close analysis of the authentic horoscopes of the countries involved. I´ll try to give an answer to your question based on an analysis of the SAMVA USA chart. First, I would direct your attention to two mundane indications in this regards to notably Saturn and the 8th house. Saturn rules "civil servants, low technology industry and mines. It acts as significator for the fourth and eighth houses," and those working hard for less pay. In other words, populist theories would be supported by a pronounced influence of a strong Saturn. At this time, Saturn is transiting Leo and it will move into the sign Virgo in September 2009. Virgo is a sign linked to service and work as the 6th sign of the zodiac. Hence, we could think that this influence would promote a more working class ethic where Saturn is important for the national chart at this time. Meanwhile, the 8th house rules "beliefs of the masses," in addition to obstructions and endings, etc.. http://www.yourneta strologer. com/mundane_ astrology. htm A strong 8th lord or well aspected 8th house would tend to give a country a sense of legitimacy or popular support for ideas consistent with its chart. If the 8th lord was weak or afflicted or the 8th house badly tenanted or aspected, it would reduce the legitimacy and bring problems or challenges to the ideas prevailing in the country. In the article, Predictions for the USA in 2009 (December 31, 2008), I noted that "The trend is clearly towards populist reforms in the wake of the collapse and public rescue of the financial sector." The logic is that in the SAMVA USA chart, the Venus-Saturn period is now operating since mid February 2009. Hence, the following prediction was made: "During this [saturn sub-] period, the focus will shift gradually from the financial stability concerns of recent years during the Jupiter sub-period to issues indicated by Saturn. As 8th lord, there will be increased awareness of obstacles and endings in the national life during the Saturn period, but also on easy gains for the common people, such as through changes in the tax code or other reforms. As Saturn is a general indicator of the economy, working people and things mined from the ground the reforms and issues will be focused on these areas of the national life. The economy may become sluggish at this time. Moreover, as Saturn is natally placed in the 5th house, problems will tend to be found in the domain of national life ruled by this house. In other words, the focus will be on problems in the management of the economy or of ordinary or disenfranchised people. Obstacles will also be felt in the area of speculation on financial and other markets and in the life of institutions of higher learning or the software and entertainment industries. As Saturn afflicts the 2nd lord Sun in the chart, the period will be characterised by obstacles and challenges facing the wealth and status of the country as well as the US President. " http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 12/predictions- for-usa-in- 2009.htmlAs the USA has a strong and well placed Saturn as 8th lord, socialist ideas have never had deep support. However, at this time the recptivity would be expected to be greater, especially from the autumn. When we compare the Saturn period in the early 1890s and today, we see that the earlier period had Saturn transiting Virgo only at the very end of the Saturn period. Hence, we could expect more "working class" emphasis this time around. A similar analysis could be attempted for other countries. Best wishes, Thor Zoran Gligoric <z_gligoric >SAMVA Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:28:51 AM global moving of civilization. .. Dear Professor and Mr Thor from the perspective of economic crise all over the world, is there sign of better global perspective and what charts should be studied in order to conclude more about the matter considering World Economic system? Considering the fact that global neo-liberal capitalism is again in crise, bigger than ever, is it possible to predict global step-by-step movement of civilization towards the more human society (socialism or....) and political-economic system? Is there any sign of global political movement simmilar to some kind of social-political- economic change, lets say Quite- ®evolution against the capitalism? (we are witnessing that Manifest of the Communist party and simmilar Theories are again in focus for many people at West? Finnaly what would be significators for those kind of global changes? kind regards Zoran Gligoric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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