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The meeting between Nethanyahu and Obama ended with them not seeing 'eye to eye' on major issues. There are daunting problems that need to be resolved. Of note is the fact that the US President said the unresolved situation in Iran can't go on forever.

 

Obama expects positive Iranian response

Associated Press - May 18, 2009 – 57 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday he is ready to resume peace talks with the Palestinians immediately, but any agreement is contingent on their acceptance of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state. His comments came after a meeting with President Barack Obama, who bluntly told the Israeli leader it was time to get back to the negotiating table. Netanyahu and President Barack Obama met for more than two hours at the White House and focused on Mideast peace talks, Iran's nuclear program and the U.S.-Israeli relationship. Obama said he expects a positive response from his diplomatic

outreach to Iran on stopping its nuclear program by the end of the year. The president said the United States wanted to bring Iran into the world community, but declared "we're not going to have talks forever." At the same time, Obama said bluntly that it was important that Netanyahu, a hard-liner on peace negotiations with the Palestinians, to restart the stalled Mideast peace talks. While his language was gentle, Obama's words were notable nonetheless for being made in public.

http://news./s/ap/20090518/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_israel

 

No agreement on Iran, Palestinians in Obama-Netanyahu talks

DEBKAfile Special Report

May 18, 2009, 10:51 PM (GMT+02:00)

US president Barak Obama stood by his demand for a Palestinian state while Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu continued to avoid this formula in their talks at the White House Monday, May 18, their first since both took office. Still the atmosphere in the three-and-a-half hour conversation was friendly and earnest as the two agreed to disagree. Obama stressed that a nuclear-armed Iran would be a threat not only to Israel and the US but a destabilizing factor for the world and the region. However, he said he is in the process of reaching out to

Iran and is confident he can persuade its leaders that a nuclear bomb is not in their interest either. He refused to set a deadline for their dialogue, and spoke of a few months. These talks can't go on forever while Iran moves ahead with its nuclear program, he said adding: "At the end of the year we'll see where we stand." Netanyahu was less sanguine: "A nuclear-armed Iran which calls for Israel's destruction is unacceptable and would give terrorists a nuclear umbrella." The US president called on Israel to

stick to the road map as "ratified at Annapolis" (which Netanyahu has rejected). However hard this is, he said, Israel must stop settlement activity. The Palestinians must fight terror. Obama pledged US involvement in peace talks as a strong partner. Netanyahu said he was ready to start talks with the Palestinians immediately. He wanted the Palestinians to rule themselves, but peace means they must recognize Israel as a Jewish state with the right to defend itself and live in security. The US president remarked that Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia should be constructively involved in the Israel-Palestinian peace track and do more to develop relations with Israel. Following the White House summit, Netanyahu will hold talks with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and members of Congress. He returns to Israel on Tuesday evening.

http://www.debka.com/index1.php

 

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Thor

 

 

 

Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 12:45:56 PMRe: Israel's Capricorn rising chart [1 Attachment]

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Dear friends,

 

On the day before the the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel enters the major and sub-period of Mars, US President Obama will have his first meeting with Israeli Premier Nethanyahu since both men entered office.

 

Obama hosts Netanyahu as Mideast strains ties

May 18 06:05 AM US /Eastern

US President Barack Obama will host Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for their first meeting on Monday as discord over Mideast peace and Iran 's nuclear bid clouds ties between the close allies. The meeting marks Obama's most testing diplomatic challenge yet after he vowed to vigorously engage in attaining an elusive regional peace as part of a comprehensive strategy to peacefully resolve the Iranian nuclear standoff. Israel 's hawkish premier, who wants a "fresh" approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, was set to unveil in the White House meeting his own long-awaited policy for regional peace focused on countering Iran . Yet Obama's hopes appear at odds with Netanyahu, who earned world criticism over his persistent refusal to endorse the creation of a Palestinian state, a bedrock principle of peace efforts in the Middle East for

nearly two decades. And while Obama wishes to make headway on the Palestinian track, Netanyahu's national security advisor Uzi Arad told reporters that the Iranian issue was set to top the leaders' talks in the Oval Office. "There might be some differences in approach, but we are confident that the sense of pragmatism and the desire for progress will drive the discussions," Arad said. Obama himself admitted in March that Netanyahu's right-leaning coalition did not make peacemaking any "easier". Netanyahu is expected to further irk his hosts and the Palestinians by telling Obama that Israel will keep building in existing settlements in the occupied West Bank , a key obstacle in the stuttering peace process. But both US and Israeli officials sought to play down any speculation of an open clash between the two leaders at the key summit.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.ccff6688f11fd21bfd48aa7c11f9b0fb.3c1 & show_article=1

 

As has been earlier discussed, the period of 4th lord Mars at 5° 17' Leo and 8th house begins on May 19th, 2009. The placement of Mars is made difficult by an aspect from 12th lord Jupiter at 4° 28' Sagittarius and 12th house. Israel is likely to experience a sense of 'loss' of communal harmony, due to a variety of obstacles during this period, and more so, when the natal aspect is aroused through transit affliction. As Mars is the general indicator of the military, it cannot be excluded that such contacts result in military conflict.

 

1) Transit 2nd lord, Saturn at 20° 55' Leo and MEP of 8th house, is not happily placed and is aspected by natal Rahu. This suggests that there is manipulation ongoing with respect to the status, wealth and relations with the neighbors of Israel. At the same time, transit Saturn is favourably aspecting its own house, as well as the 10th and 5th houses. Transit Saturn begins to move forward and out of these aspects later this week.

 

In addition, there are two major aspects in coming weeks that raise special concerns:

 

2) aspect of transit 12th lord Jupiter at 1°-3° Aquarius and 2nd house to natal Mars at 5° Leo (peak mid June 2009)

3) transit of Mars into the aspect of natal Jupiter at 4° 28' Aries and 4th house (exact on 29 May, 2009).

 

Another date of concern is 23 May, 2009 when

4) transit Sun at 8° Taurus is under the aspect of transit Rahu at 8° Capricorn and 1st house and transit 5th lord Mercury is retrograde at 0° 50' Taurus where it is conjunct natal 8th lord Sun at 0° 56' Taurus. On that day, aspects 2) and 3) will have begun to be felt and 1) is still strongly felt but having begun to separate.

 

So, what can we expect? The following analytical article is quite revealing about the highly complex political-military situation facing Israel and its ally, the USA.

 

 

DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis

May 17, 2009

Netanyahu, Obama met before they won office

In less than a month, aides in Washington and Jerusalem have transmuted the head-on clash forecast for the first meeting between Binyamin Netanyahu has Israel's prime minister and US president Barack Obama Monday, May 18, into a warm, amicable encounter, DEBKAfile's political analysts say.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1390

 

It is likely President Obama will continue to prod the Israelis to do something meaningful to move towards a resolution of the Palestinian problem. The Israelis, however, remain reluctant to approve the creation of a Palestinian state while the Palestinians refuse to recognise the right of Israel to exist. The Israelis will likely emphasise the precarious position they are in with enemies on all sides, including Syria, which is continuing its efforts to destablise Lebanon and Palestine by supporting terrorism there in order to benefit from destabilising the situation there. The Iran nuclear threat is still very much there and Israel and the USA may still need to resort to military action as other options are proving useless. This is more so, as recent diplomatic contacts by the USA with Iran have revealed that the regime is acting on 'bad faith', resorting to manipulation (lies)

when it suits their purpose. In short, the Iranians are not to be trusted on this issue.

 

Astrologically, the situation for Israel is not a good one at all. The above mentioned astrological elements, including the affliction of transit Saturn by natal Rahu is showing the complexities. In coming weeks the influences will become less as it begins to move out of the present aspects. At that time, other difficult aspects begin to come into play, with natal and transit Mars, as major- and sub-period lord, severely afflicted. At that time, elections will be held in Palestine and Iran, with Israel's fierce adversaries likely to be re-elected, which will undoubtedly move the prospect of a peaceful solution further away. These developments would be undermining to the communal harmony of Israelis.

 

In the autumn, there are two major developments:

i) transit 2nd lord Saturn moves into Virgo and 9th house, which is likely to be helpful for Israel's prestige and relations with neighbors.

ii) transit 12th lord Jupiter will become stationary on top of natal 2nd lord Saturn, bringing strains to Israel's foreign policy.

 

In view of the above astrological dynamics facing Israel, we cannot exclude that something happens in coming days or weeks that prompts it into military action.

 

Alternatively, as disccussed in the blog Ties that bind: Israel-USA (March 27, 2009), there was a prediction for problems in the Autumn of 2009 for both the USA and Israel.

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/03/ties-that-bind-israel-usa.html

 

We will soon see what happens.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 5:22:33 AMRe: Israel's Capricorn rising chart

 

Dear friends,

 

In a message on SAMVA on February 14, the following was posted:

 

 

"Looking forward there is another difficult aspect forming involving transit 2nd lord Saturn which is transiting in the sign Leo and 8th house. As Leo is owned by the Sun, Saturn gains strength moving through this sign. So in stead of having 50% strength due to bad placement, Saturn has [62,5%]strength, giving it [minimum] resistance to affliction. Moreover, we should recall that Saturn as 2nd lord is a major benefic planet for Capricorns. has suggested that for Capricorn ascendants the transit of Saturn in Leo will generally "cause obstructions/delays in promotions, stress in relationships and causes financial worries."

http://www.yournetastrologer.com/saturn_in_leo.htm

 

Another factor to consider is that as of [February 14, 2009] Saturn has moved in retrograde motion in Leo and the 8th house into a 5° orb aspect of natal Rahu at 20° 52' Aries in the 4th house. This aspect is within 1° orb from April 12, 2009 and becomes exact in May, when Saturn goes direct at 20° 55' Leo from May 14-20. Moreover, Saturn [as 2nd lord] will at that time be EXACTLY conjunct the most effective point of the 8th house, from where it also aspects the 10th , 2nd and 5th houses. In itself, this is a helpful development [but only to the extent that we recall that Sun is natally weak in the chart]. This is interesting for one more reason. The Moon-Sun period ends on May 19th. During the sub-period of the Sun, the passage of another planet through the sign, Leo, which is owned by the Sun, has [some] importance. It helps

that the Sun will be strong in transit for most of this time as it passes through the signs Aries/H4 and Taurus/H5.

 

From the above we can infer the following

 

1) it would not be surprising if a new government is formed around a hard-line stance on foreign policy. The course chosen by the new government in coming months will likely not be easy

 

2) in the 2nd quarter of the year there will be pronounced strains or problems for the indications of Saturn, as lord of

- the common or working people and civil servants (general)

- activities having to do with traditional activities or mining (general)

- the economy (general and 2nd lord)

- wealth and status (2nd lord).

- relations with neighbors (2nd lord)

 

Finally, the Mars-Mars period begins on May 19, 2009 and runs until October 15, 2009. Mars is 4th lord and is natally placed in the 8th house of obstacles and endings. It is natally afflicted by 12th lord Jupiter in the 12th house. The Mars - Jupiter period runs from November 2010 to October 2011. This period could be associated with obstacles or losses with regard to e.g. land, natural resources or communal harmony.

 

Now the following news appears, concerning plans to expand Jewish settlements in contested areas:

 

New town may be death blow to hopes for Israel peace

Jerusalem (The Times) - April 4, 2009

The sign in big, red Hebrew letters reads “Welcome to Mevasseret Adumim, the Harbinger of the Hillsâ€. A three-lane road with roundabouts leads up the hill to a police station and street lamps line the flyover that links the new town to neighbouring Ma'aleh Adumim, one of the largest Jewish settlements in Israel. There are no houses, cars or people in Mevasseret Adumim: it is a town laid out, waiting to be built. That is because international pressure has so far prevented construction from going ahead. The area is the last piece of open land linking Arab East Jerusalem to the West Bank and critics said that to develop it would bury the very notion of a two-state solution to the Middle East crisis. According to reports in the Israeli media, the area has been earmarked for development under a secret accord between Binyamin Netanyahu, the new, conservative

Israeli Prime Minister, and his ultra-nationalist Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman. Better known under its old British mandate name, E1, it is the most controversial development project in the region, one that diplomats and observers warn will trigger the collapse of the weakened Palestinian Authority, or drive it into armed resistance again.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6031894.ece

 

In a blog on Thursday, January 29, 2009, Accurate prediction for Israel, in the section Looking ahead it was stated:

 

"Given the charged and unresolved state of affairs, it will be interesting to follow the developments in coming weeks when transit 12th lord Jupiter will become conjunct the transit nodal axis and oppose the natal Moon. At that time, there could be further losses for Israel in relation to the indications of the Moon."

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/01/accurate-prediction-for-israel.html

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

SIHA <vkchoudhrySAMVA Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:54:28 PMRe: Correct predictions based on Israel's Capricorn rising chart

Hello my dear Thor,

 

Congrats for the predictions and getting confidence in the Capricorn rising chart of Israel.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

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Cosmologer

SAMVA

Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:58 AM

Correct predictions based on Israel's Capricorn rising chart

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

Based on the 21° Capricorn rising chart for Israel

 

- first, it was correctly predicted that more violence was likely around January 5 when transit Sun became exactly afflicted by natal Rahu. This prediction was realised when Israel's military invaded Gaza on January 3:

 

>> To review the logic of the prediction (sidereal placements):> The entry of the Israel Army into Gaza took place when transit> Sun at 19° 32' Sagittarius and 12th house had moved into the trinal> aspect of natal Rahu at 20° 53' Aries and 4th house - slightly over> 1° orb. The aspect becomes exact at 00:23 am (Israel time) on> January 5th.- second, it was correctly predicted that tensions would die down from middle of January. Today, January 17, Israel declared a unilateral cease-fire with transit Sun at 3° 48' Capricorn and 1st house.

 

Israel declares ceasefire in Gaza

21:56 GMT, Saturday, 17 January 2009

Israel is to halt its three-week military offensive against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said. He said Israel had achieved its aims and the unilateral ceasefire would start at 0200 (2400 GMT).

http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/middle_ east/7835794. stm

 

Prediction in message #102142 on Political Astrology list on Mon Jan 5, 2009 7:53 am

"As Jupiter moves out of its afflicting aspect to natal Sun today andas transit Sun is also seperating from the adverse aspect from natalRahu, and moves out of the 12th house on January 15, things arelikely on an improving trend for some weeks. That said, the nodalstation continuing on top of the natal 7th lord Moon, will keepconsiderable pressure on Israels' foreign policy and domestic peacethrough February. Significant problems are likely in late January,however, due to the conjunction of Sun with the stationary nodal axisfollowing an eclipse on the natal Moon."

 

 

- thirdly, some significant event is expected later this month.

 

Prediction

"The nodal station harming the Moon is expected to keep things tense for some months and has already resulted in a setback for peace in the country and placed a strain on the country's foreign policy.

Around January 29, when the sub-period lord Sun becomes conjunct stationary Rahu in transit, thus adding to the affilction of natal Moon, there could be a significant event. When Jupiter becomes conjunct Rahu, some losses could materialise."

http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2008/ 12/birth- of-israel. html

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cosmologer <cosmologer >samva Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:34:50 PM Blog: Birth of Israel

 

Sunday, December 28, 2008

Birth of Israel

 

 

There is an ongoing debate among astrologers about the birth of the State of Israel. Some view the founding moment to have been when Israel unilaterally declared independence while others have focused on a process set out by the United Nations for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine culminating in the end of the British Mandate for Palestine.

 

To read more:

http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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