Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Professor, Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 Dear Vyas,My two cents worth. Short answer: yes.Better answer: the stock market has to be seen with respect to all possible influences in the chart as well as with a view to global developments (even if USA is a major influence around the world).I suspect that at the heart of your question is what influence we should expect from stationary 8th lord Saturn at 21° Leo and 2nd house conjunct 20° Leo MEP of that house, during also the operation of the Venus-Saturn period in the SAMVA USA chart.Well, let's establish the development in the stock market. The US stock market has been recovering from a phenomenally low level reached in early March 2009 (6600). Even if on an improving trend during this conjunction aspect, which is now separating, it is still at a releatively low level (8700), which was previously seen in December 2008 and before that in May 2003. Importantly, the stock market has to date behaved much as has predicted (see http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/06/financial-markets-to-improve.html).Strength of 2nd lordIn regard to the 2nd house, we could also note that the strength of 2nd lord Sun natally supports the stock market during such an affliction (with 1° orb), not least when it is also strong in transit. Since mid March 2009, the Sun has been strong while transiting the 9th, 10th (exalted) and 11th houses. On June 15, it enters the 12th house, where it becomes weak. Other influencesFortunately, 10th lord Mars, the general indicator of courage for the stock market, will be strong at that time in 10th and 11th houses. So investor confidence will not be undermined at the same time. By comparison, 3rd lord Mercury, a functional indicator of investor courage, will be transiting the 12th house (own sign) in the first two weeks of July. To this we could note that transit 6th lord Jupiter is temporarily in the 8th house of obstacles, making the overall situation more difficult. However, Jupiter is not transit afflicted. If the experience in the previous two years, it is exact multiple afflictions, involving spects between FMs and to weak planets or MEPs that wreck the most havoc. In sum, the conjunction of 8th lord to MEP of 2nd house has orb of around 1° and dispositor has been strong in transit as well as natally. Result: only pressure on sentiments, but improvement from the frightfilled lows of early 2009.Best wishes,Thor Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 6:15:00 PM The 2H and the USA marketsDear Professor,Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets? Best regards,Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Hello dear Vyas, Yes, this plays a part. 2H is the house of wealth. - Vyas Munidas SAMVA Friday, June 05, 2009 11:45 PM The 2H and the USA markets Dear Professor,Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets? Best regards,Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Thor, Thank you for the comprehensive response. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Friday, June 05, 2009 4:47 PM Re: The 2H and the USA markets Dear Vyas, My two cents worth. Short answer: yes. Better answer: the stock market has to be seen with respect to all possible influences in the chart as well as with a view to global developments (even if USA is a major influence around the world). I suspect that at the heart of your question is what influence we should expect from stationary 8th lord Saturn at 21° Leo and 2nd house conjunct 20° Leo MEP of that house, during also the operation of the Venus-Saturn period in the SAMVA USA chart. Well, let's establish the development in the stock market. The US stock market has been recovering from a phenomenally low level reached in early March 2009 (6600). Even if on an improving trend during this conjunction aspect, which is now separating, it is still at a releatively low level (8700), which was previously seen in December 2008 and before that in May 2003. Importantly, the stock market has to date behaved much as Professor Choudhry has predicted (see http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/06/financial-markets-to-improve.html). Strength of 2nd lord In regard to the 2nd house, we could also note that the strength of 2nd lord Sun natally supports the stock market during such an affliction (with 1° orb), not least when it is also strong in transit. Since mid March 2009, the Sun has been strong while transiting the 9th, 10th (exalted) and 11th houses. On June 15, it enters the 12th house, where it becomes weak. Other influences Fortunately, 10th lord Mars, the general indicator of courage for the stock market, will be strong at that time in 10th and 11th houses. So investor confidence will not be undermined at the same time. By comparison, 3rd lord Mercury, a functional indicator of investor courage, will be transiting the 12th house (own sign) in the first two weeks of July. To this we could note that transit 6th lord Jupiter is temporarily in the 8th house of obstacles, making the overall situation more difficult. However, Jupiter is not transit afflicted. If the experience in the previous two years, it is exact multiple afflictions, involving spects between FMs and to weak planets or MEPs that wreck the most havoc. In sum, the conjunction of 8th lord to MEP of 2nd house has orb of around 1° and dispositor has been strong in transit as well as natally. Result: only pressure on sentiments, but improvement from the frightfilled lows of early 2009. Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ Vyas Munidas <muni> SAMVA Friday, June 5, 2009 6:15:00 PM The 2H and the USA markets Dear Professor, Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets? Best regards, Vyas Munidas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Hello dear Vyas, The prolonged unfavorable transit influences in US chart with MMP Saturn in the second house caused huge setbacks to countries wealth through bankruptcy of many financial and corporate institutions, etc. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:45 PM Re: The 2H and the USA markets > Dear Professor, > > Then it appears to me that the national wealth of the USA is not > significantly represented in its stock markets. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " SIHA " <vkchoudhry > <SAMVA > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:03 PM > Re: The 2H and the USA markets > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > Yes, this plays a part. 2H is the house of wealth. > > > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:45 PM > The 2H and the USA markets > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Professor, I completely agree. Somehow or other, speculation is alive and kicking - markets continue to rally despite these tangible losses in wealth. This is why I said that the 2H/Sun does not appear to be significantly represented in the stock markets of the this nation. In further thought, if we examine the majority of medium to heavy weight companies in the stock indices, we will find that the Sun is not general significator. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " SIHA " <vkchoudhry <SAMVA > Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:30 AM Re: The 2H and the USA markets Hello dear Vyas, The prolonged unfavorable transit influences in US chart with MMP Saturn in the second house caused huge setbacks to countries wealth through bankruptcy of many financial and corporate institutions, etc. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:45 PM Re: The 2H and the USA markets > Dear Professor, > > Then it appears to me that the national wealth of the USA is not > significantly represented in its stock markets. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " SIHA " <vkchoudhry > <SAMVA > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:03 PM > Re: The 2H and the USA markets > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > Yes, this plays a part. 2H is the house of wealth. > > > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:45 PM > The 2H and the USA markets > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Vyas, The relative measure of the wealth is is not an easy thing to read from a chart. Let me mention one complication regarding the recent conjunction of 8th lord Saturn on 2nd house MEP. In fact, the influence of 8th lord on 2nd house MEP can be quite complicated. On the one hand we have the energy of obstacles and endings and on the other hand we have easy gains influencing the house of wealth. In this regard, let me mention that in the charts of individuals such combinations can give rise to great wealth but also problems. I know one gentleman with an asepct from 8th lord in 3rd house to 2nd lord in 9th house. He inheritied a lot of wealth but has also experienced great challenges to his status and had problems relations with his sibling. In terms of the SAMVA USA chart, we have seen the influence of obstacles and endings affect the national wealth of the USA, as has mentioned. We have also seen the stock market thrashed to a low level. Let us keep the level in mind at all times along with the trend, up or down. To this we can now add the influence of easy gains. ,It is a fact that some investors have seen easy gains realised, with the stock market rising 33% from its drastic lows. One way to look at changes in the value of stocks as the transfer of wealth either benefitting those or incurriing losses for those who buy at given times. The bankruptcies and losses eventually are recovered and the dynamic US economy tends to recover the wealth lost over time. Best wishes, Thor Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:56:42 AMRe: The 2H and the USA marketsDear Professor,I completely agree. Somehow or other, speculation is alive and kicking - markets continue to rally despite these tangible losses in wealth. This is why I said that the 2H/Sun does not appear to be significantly represented in the stock markets of the this nation. In further thought, if we examine the majority of medium to heavy weight companies in the stock indices, we will find that the Sun is not general significator.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "SIHA" <vkchoudhry<SAMVA >Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:30 AMRe: The 2H and the USA marketsHello dear Vyas,The prolonged unfavorable transit influences in US chart with MMP Saturn inthe second house caused huge setbacks to countries wealth through bankruptcyof many financial and corporate institutions, etc.- "Vyas Munidas" <muni><SAMVA >Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:45 PMRe: The 2H and the USA markets> Dear Professor,>> Then it appears to me that the national wealth of the USA is not> significantly represented in its stock markets.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "SIHA" <vkchoudhry> <SAMVA >> Friday, June 05, 2009 11:03 PM> Re: The 2H and the USA markets>>> Hello dear Vyas,>> Yes, this plays a part. 2H is the house of wealth.>> >>>> - > Vyas Munidas> SAMVA > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:45 PM> The 2H and the USA markets>>>>>> Dear Professor,>> Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets?>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>>>>>>> --->> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Thor, The issue here isn't easy gains, it's how much the Sun/2L has to do with the observable/trending behaviour of the stock markets. Your point regarding the relatively lower level is noted and appreciated greatly. For easy gains, no doubt there it has a level of complexity to it. However, the principles of SA break down such situations and simplicity emerges. For easy gains, the strength of the 8H, Jupiter and the Sun are considered. The current situation in the USA when the transit 8L in its own period is afflicted, tr Jupiter in infancy is placed in the afflicted 8H house, the tr Sun with its MTH and transit house afflicted, and natal Saturn closely aspecting the natal Sun, easy gains are hard to come by and obstructions are prominent. And as you said, the US economy recovers lost wealth easily, inline with its natal potential. Regarding the case you mentioned: How much easy gains vs obstructions can be easily seen through the SA lens. Although inheritance is a subset of easy gains, they must be examined separately. For inheritance matters we've got to see the strength of the 8, 9, 4, Sun and Moon. If the affliction by the 8L to the 2L is exact, the 8L gains while the 2L suffers. Whereas the close aspect isn't dire. Planets in the 9/3H's get an extra 25% strength. Planets placed in the 9H get a boost of divine grace, granting help somehow. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " Cosmologer " <cosmologer <SAMVA > Saturday, June 06, 2009 4:22 AM Re: The 2H and the USA markets Dear Vyas, The relative measure of the wealth is is not an easy thing to read from a chart. Let me mention one complication regarding the recent conjunction of 8th lord Saturn on 2nd house MEP. In fact, the influence of 8th lord on 2nd house MEP can be quite complicated. On the one hand we have the energy of obstacles and endings and on the other hand we have easy gains influencing the house of wealth. In this regard, let me mention that in the charts of individuals such combinations can give rise to great wealth but also problems. I know one gentleman with an asepct from 8th lord in 3rd house to 2nd lord in 9th house. He inheritied a lot of wealth but has also experienced great challenges to his status and had problems relations with his sibling. In terms of the SAMVA USA chart, we have seen the influence of obstacles and endings affect the national wealth of the USA, as has mentioned. We have also seen the stock market thrashed to a low level. Let us keep the level in mind at all times along with the trend, up or down. To this we can now add the influence of easy gains. ,It is a fact that some investors have seen easy gains realised, with the stock market rising 33% from its drastic lows. One way to look at changes in the value of stocks as the transfer of wealth either benefitting those or incurriing losses for those who buy at given times. The bankruptcies and losses eventually are recovered and the dynamic US economy tends to recover the wealth lost over time. Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ Vyas Munidas <muni> SAMVA Saturday, June 6, 2009 7:56:42 AM Re: The 2H and the USA markets Dear Professor, I completely agree. Somehow or other, speculation is alive and kicking - markets continue to rally despite these tangible losses in wealth. This is why I said that the 2H/Sun does not appear to be significantly represented in the stock markets of the this nation. In further thought, if we examine the majority of medium to heavy weight companies in the stock indices, we will find that the Sun is not general significator. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - " SIHA " <vkchoudhry <SAMVA > Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:30 AM Re: The 2H and the USA markets Hello dear Vyas, The prolonged unfavorable transit influences in US chart with MMP Saturn in the second house caused huge setbacks to countries wealth through bankruptcy of many financial and corporate institutions, etc. - " Vyas Munidas " <muni> <SAMVA > Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:45 PM Re: The 2H and the USA markets > Dear Professor, > > Then it appears to me that the national wealth of the USA is not > significantly represented in its stock markets. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > " SIHA " <vkchoudhry > <SAMVA > > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:03 PM > Re: The 2H and the USA markets > > > Hello dear Vyas, > > Yes, this plays a part. 2H is the house of wealth. > > > > > > - > Vyas Munidas > SAMVA > Friday, June 05, 2009 11:45 PM > The 2H and the USA markets > > > > > > Dear Professor, > > Does the 2H play any role in the USA stock markets? > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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