: USA: the recession is very likely over

[Guest guest]

Hello dear list,

 

Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the weekend although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into 2010, before it begins to get better.

 

Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’

 

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar in Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an abyss but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a W-shaped recovery may become U-shaped.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

 

 

 

U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki said today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot left to go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent. After losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns positive†within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

 

Leading economic indicators rise in August

DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

AP Business– 30 mins ago

NEW YORK – A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose in August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6 percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity in the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

 

Thor

 

 

 

cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM Re: USA: the recession is "very likely overPS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says OECD03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic Assessment. Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The current exceptionally low interest

rates should remain in force for the time being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html--- In SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Hello dear list members,> Â > The prediction by for the USÂ economy to begin to show signs of recovery in September

based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual Union) has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012. >  > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having begun. One report states > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s statement that the recession is "very likely over." >  > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing. While a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the Systems' Approach.> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased volatility likely in financial markets.>  > Thor>---

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[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear list,

 

Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the weekend

although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

2010, before it begins to get better.

 

Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom

though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the Nobel

Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been

postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar

in Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an

abyss but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a W-shaped

recovery may become U-shaped.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

 

U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

York. The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki said

today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot

left

to go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent.

After losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns

positive†within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

 

Leading economic indicators rise in August

DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

AP Business– 30 mins ago

NEW YORK – A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose in

August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity in

the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

________________________________

cosmologer <cosmologer

SAMVA

Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

 

Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says

OECD

03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier

than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain

weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

Assessment.

Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The

current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the time

being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the

Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Hello dear list members,

> Â

> The prediction by for the USÂ economy to begin to show

> signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> Union) has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain

> sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> Â

> The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> begun. One report states

> " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> Bernanke’s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> Â

> Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Â

> While a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the

> Systems' Approach.

>

> At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased

> volatility likely in financial markets.

> Â

> Thor

>

 

 

 

 

---

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Vyas,

 

Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of life. However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an appreciable impact in the chart.

 

predicted easing of conditions or improving economic outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been shown to be correct.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely

overHello dear list,Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the weekend although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into 2010, before it begins to get better.Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar in Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an abyss but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a W-shaped recovery may become

U-shaped.http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLcU.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki SaysSept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki said today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot left to go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent. After losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns positive†within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSoLeading economic indicators rise in AugustDJI 9,755.35 -64.85AP Business– 30 mins agoNEW YORK – A private

research group's forecast of economic activity rose in August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6 percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity in the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economyThor________________________________ cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent:

Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM Re: USA: the recession is "very likely overPS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says OECD03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic Assessment.Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the time being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The

latest GDP forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html--- In SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Hello dear list members,> Â> The prediction by for the US economy to begin to show > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual > Union) has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> Â> The data and analysis is

convincing on this point of recovery having > begun. One report states> "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben > Bernanke’s statement that the recession is "very likely over."> Â> Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing. > While a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the > Systems' Approach.>> At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased > volatility likely in financial markets.> Â> Thor>---

[Guest guest]

Bloomberg is just PR for Wall Street, Thor. They don't say what kind of

jobs will be added but we know they won't pay as well as the ones that

were lost. That's not a recovery. A recovery would be the economy to

be back to where it was before the Bush administration took office. We

should be careful about bending facts to fit the astrology.

 

Cosmologer wrote:

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the weekend

although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into 2010,

before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom

though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the Nobel

Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been

postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar in

Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an abyss

but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a W-shaped

recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York.

The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki said today

in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot left to

go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent. After

losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns positiveâ€

within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show another net loss

in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Business– 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK – A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose in

August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has ended.

The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6 percent in

August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from 0.6 percent.

Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent gain last month.

The indicators are designed to project economic activity in the next three to

six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index increased in August,

including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says

OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier

than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain

weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The

current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the time

being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the Group

of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal contraction than the

4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP forecasts for this year provide

slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the Euro area and an unchanged overall

projection for the US. The lower annual growth projection for the UK this year

is due to downward revisions to GDP in the final quarter of last year and first

quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

>> Hello dear list members,

>> Â

>> The prediction by for the USÂ economy to begin to show

signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual Union)

has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain sluggish in

the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

>> Â

>> The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having begun.

One report states

>> " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

Bernanke’s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

>> Â

>> Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing. WhileÂ

a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the Systems'

Approach.

>>

>> At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased

volatility likely in financial markets.

>> Â

>> Thor

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Brian,

 

No need to make such accusations of manipulation even if you have strong views on the matter. The news reports doesn´t say the economy has recovered, only that the recession has apparently bottomed out. Most commentators cited are independent observers. Krugman was critical in the run up and pessimistic when the banks crashed. He has now reigned in his pessimism and says that a recovery is expected. That is in line with the prediction made.

 

Thor

 

 

 

Brian Conrad <brianjtoolsSAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 7:06:10 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overBloomberg is just PR for Wall Street, Thor. They don't say what kind of jobs will be added but we know they won't pay as well as the ones that were lost. That's not a recovery. A recovery would be the economy to be back to where it was before the Bush administration took office. We should be careful about bending facts to fit the astrology.Cosmologer wrote:> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as

much over the weekend although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’ > Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar in Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an abyss but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a W-shaped recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc> > U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says > Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this year, said Dean

Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New York. The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki said today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot left to go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent. After losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns positive†within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo> > Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85 > AP Business– 30 mins ago> NEW YORK – A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose in August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6 percent in August.

That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity in the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy> > Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks

old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic Assessment. > Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the time being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual growth projection

for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.> http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:> >> Hello dear list members,>>  >> The prediction by for the US economy to begin to show signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual Union) has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012. >>  >> The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having begun. One report states >> "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s statement that the

recession is "very likely over." >>  >> Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing. While a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the Systems' Approach.>>>> At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased volatility likely in financial markets.>>  >> Thor>>>> >>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling the

masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter worsens

into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

Saturn.

 

Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

which is also quite appreciable.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of life.

However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

appreciable impact in the chart.

 

predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been shown

to be correct.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear list,

 

Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the weekend

although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

2010, before it begins to get better.

 

Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom

though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the Nobel

Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been

postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar

in Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an

abyss but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a W-shaped

recovery may become U-shaped.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

 

U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

York. The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki said

today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot

left

to go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent.

After losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns

positive†within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

 

Leading economic indicators rise in August

DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

AP Business– 30 mins ago

NEW YORK – A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose in

August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity in

the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

________________________________

cosmologer <cosmologer

SAMVA

Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

 

Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says

OECD

03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier

than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain

weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

Assessment.

Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The

current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the time

being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the

Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Hello dear list members,

> Â

> The prediction by for the USÂ economy to begin to show

> signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> Union) has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain

> sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> Â

> The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> begun. One report states

> " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> Bernanke’s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> Â

> Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Â

> While a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the

> Systems' Approach.

>

> At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased

> volatility likely in financial markets.

> Â

> Thor

>

 

 

 

 

---

 

 

[Guest guest]

Correction: " ... the Moon ruling the chart is in the Libra, ruled by VENUS. "

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:30 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Thor,

 

In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling the

masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter worsens

into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

Saturn.

 

Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

which is also quite appreciable.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of life.

However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

appreciable impact in the chart.

 

predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been shown

to be correct.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear list,

 

Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the weekend

although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

2010, before it begins to get better.

 

Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom

though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the Nobel

Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been

postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar

in Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an

abyss but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a W-shaped

recovery may become U-shaped.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

 

U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

York. The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki said

today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot

left

to go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent.

After losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns

positive†within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

 

Leading economic indicators rise in August

DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

AP Business– 30 mins ago

NEW YORK – A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose in

August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity in

the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

________________________________

cosmologer <cosmologer

SAMVA

Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

 

Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says

OECD

03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier

than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain

weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

Assessment.

Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The

current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the time

being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the

Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Hello dear list members,

> Â

> The prediction by for the USÂ economy to begin to show

> signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> Union) has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain

> sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> Â

> The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> begun. One report states

> " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> Bernanke’s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> Â

> Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Â

> While a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the

> Systems' Approach.

>

> At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased

> volatility likely in financial markets.

> Â

> Thor

>

 

 

 

 

---

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you and

Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about the

improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says ‘End of World Postponed’

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit bottom

> though the recovery will be “slow and painful,†said Paul Krugman, the

Nobel

> Prize winning economist. “The end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,†Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy “does not appear to be falling into an

> abyss but is still†in trouble. The outlook is “very fuzzy’ and a

W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> York. The unemployment rate will “peak slightly below 10 percent,†Maki

said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “We don’t think there’s a lot

left

> to go.†In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, “payroll growth turns

> positive†within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Business†" 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK †" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Â

> > The prediction by for the USÂ economy to begin to show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recovery is also expected to remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Â

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernanke’s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> > Â

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Â

> > While a remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect of the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Â

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

those long term minded people.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â? said Paul Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â? Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ? in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â? In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns

> positiveâ? within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" or personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits. However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september - november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december 2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu (summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer 2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are getting more difficult.It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.Can the

stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929 stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many, many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the larger crash.I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least) recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for those long term minded people.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.ThorSAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Thor,>> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling > the> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter > worsens> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal> Saturn.>> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can> expect manipulations. The

houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,> which is also quite appreciable.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Dear Vyas,>> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of > life.> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an> appreciable impact in the chart.>> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So

far, this prediction has been > shown> to be correct.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> Vyas Munidas <muni>> SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>> Dear Thor,>> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday,

September 21, 2009 10:34 AM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the > weekend> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into> 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit > bottom> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the > Nobel> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a > seminar> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be

falling into > an> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a > W-shaped> recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc>> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?� > Maki said> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a > lot left> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 > percent.> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show>

another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo>> Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85> AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago> NEW YORK â?" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose > in> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity > in> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.>

http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, > says> OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive > earlier> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will > remain> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic> Assessment.> Governments will need to continue to

stimulate their economies as rising> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. > The> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the > time> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and > the> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.> http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear list members,> > Ã,> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to > > show> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to > > remain> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> > Ã,> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having> > begun. One report states> > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben> > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely over."> > Ã,> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate> > prediction, both about the

nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ, > > the> > Systems' Approach.> >> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with > > increased> > volatility likely in financial markets.> > Ã,> > Thor> >>>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

My dear Thor,

 

My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners

of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms " or

personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply

interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on

the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get

some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and

overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report

and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was

just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will

likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming

weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.

However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a

sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -

november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

(summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

those long term minded people.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns

> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vyas,

 

In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti of Venus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn into Virgo is expected to be associated with some relief.

 

Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,when the station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Taurus lifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rd house, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sure enough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such news accounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at the national level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list. They confirm the prediction.

 

As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn, Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USA chart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associated with e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart, etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord. Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will be short lived.

 

Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present and hence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, the natal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strain on its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th house matters.

 

Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natal placements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with this planet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said, the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding to the concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.

 

Thor

 

 

 

Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overMy dear Thor,My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" or personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under study.Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is going on in the

economy.Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits. However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some intense aspects for the next twelve months- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september - november 2009)- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december 2009-february 2010)- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu (summer 2010)- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer 2010)These aspects will have their own influence at these

times, which will overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal strength/weakeness of the planets allows.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetarystrength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger forsome so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things aregetting more difficult.It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart ofsomeone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that

the manipulativefactors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such isthe nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good newscoming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can onlytruly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or goodnews. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'llsee that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the shortterm, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for thelarger crash.I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here isbecause he's

looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of along bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation forthose long term minded people.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of itspecifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of theeconomy arrived

before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by youand Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt aboutthe improvement.ThorSAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Thor,>> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling> the> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter> worsens> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal>

Saturn.>> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,> which is also quite appreciable.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Dear Vyas,>> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of> life.> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an> appreciable impact in the

chart.>> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been> shown> to be correct.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> Vyas Munidas <muni>> SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>> Dear Thor,>> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> To:

<SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the> weekend> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into> 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit> bottom> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the> Nobel> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been> postponed,â?� Krugman, a

professor at Princeton University, said at a> seminar> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into> an> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a> W-shaped> recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc>> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�> Maki said> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a> lot left> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7> percent.> After losing jobs every month since December

2007, â?opayroll growth turns> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo>> Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85> AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago> NEW YORK â?" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose> in> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity> in> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the

index> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,> says> OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive> earlier> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will> remain> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest

Interim Economic> Assessment.> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.> The> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the> time> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and> the> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear list members,> > Ã,> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to> > show> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to> > remain> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> > Ã,> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having> > begun. One report states> > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben> > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely

over."> > Ã,> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,> > the> > Systems' Approach.> >> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with> > increased> > volatility likely in financial markets.> > Ã,> > Thor> >>>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.

 

My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influences

are at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. I

hope that you agree.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti of

Venus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn into

Virgo is expected to be associated with some relief.

 

Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,when

the station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Taurus

lifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rd

house, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sure

enough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such news

accounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at the

national level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.

They confirm the prediction.

 

As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,

Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USA

chart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associated

with e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,

etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.

Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will be

short lived.

 

Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present and

hence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, the

natal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strain

on its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th house

matters.

 

Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natal

placements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with this

planet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,

the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding to

the concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

My dear Thor,

 

My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners

of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms " or

personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply

interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on

the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get

some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and

overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report

and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was

just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will

likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming

weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.

However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a

sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -

november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

(summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

those long term minded people.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns

> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello dear Vyas,

 

The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leo in September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection in the chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation and destruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6th lord Jupiter in the 6th house was also afflicted by natal Rahu, signalling the banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, the destruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed - and a crisis broke out as predicted.

 

 

In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said, transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to the people. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transit Rahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulative influences to such communication.

 

However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that the prediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trend influences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, the brief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the relief evidenced any less true, especially as it is expected to continue after these present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker. It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time to slow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influences are at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. I hope that you agree.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti of Venus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn into Virgo is expected to be associated with some relief.Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,when the station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Taurus lifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rd house, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sure enough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such news accounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at the national level. This is why I have shared those news stories on

the list. They confirm the prediction.As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn, Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USA chart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associated with e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart, etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord. Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will be short lived.Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present and hence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, the natal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strain on its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th house matters.Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natal placements in the USA chart,

hence the influences associated with this planet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said, the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding to the concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overMy dear Thor,My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, havestrong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitionersof SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.Best

regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" orpersonal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simplyinterested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based onthe required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena understudy.Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may getsome very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk andoverleverage in the

financial system. In general, however, they just reportand draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman wasjust reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what isgoing on in the economy.Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you areright, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one willlikely do that too. In fact, has warned that the comingweeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees asluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are someintense aspects for the next twelve months- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -november 2009)- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december2009-february 2010)- tr

stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu(summer 2010)- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer2010)These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which willovertake the trend influences to the extent that the natalstrength/weakeness of the planets allows.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetarystrength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger forsome so-called

recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things aregetting more difficult.It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart ofsomeone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulativefactors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such isthe nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good newscoming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can onlytruly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or goodnews. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'llsee that it's because of cutbacks and

good old fashioned greed. In the shortterm, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for thelarger crash.I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here isbecause he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of along bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation forthose long term minded people.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PMRe: : USA: the

recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of itspecifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of theeconomy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by youand Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt aboutthe improvement.ThorSAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Thor,>> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling> the> masses is in the sign Leo,

ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter> worsens> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal> Saturn.>> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,> which is also quite appreciable.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Dear Vyas,>> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the

SAMVA USA> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of> life.> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an> appreciable impact in the chart.>> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been> shown> to be correct.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> Vyas Munidas <muni>> SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>> Dear Thor,>> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports> coming

out should be taken with a grain of salt.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the> weekend> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into> 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit>

bottom> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the> Nobel> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a> seminar> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into> an> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a> W-shaped> recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc>> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�> Maki said> today in an interview

on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a> lot left> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7> percent.> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo>> Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85> AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago> NEW YORK â?" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose> in> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from> 0.6 percent. Economists

surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity> in> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,> says> OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery

from the global recession is likely to arrive> earlier> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will> remain> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic> Assessment.> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.> The> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the> time> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and> the> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual> growth projection for the UK

this year is due to downward revisions to GDP> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.> http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear list members,> > Ã,> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to> > show> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to> > remain> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> > Ã,> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having> > begun. One report states> > "The data this week clearly

supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben> > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely over."> > Ã,> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,> > the> > Systems' Approach.> >> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with> > increased> > volatility likely in financial markets.> > Ã,> > Thor> >>>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

List members may find it very illuminating to deeply study the great crash

of 1929, the conditions pre and post, the news stories that were fed right

after the crash, the sub periods and transits as well. An excerpt from an

article on wikipedia:

 

" After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) partially

recovered in November-December 1929 and early 1930, only to reverse and

crash again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. On July

8, 1932 the Dow reached its lowest level of the 20th century and did not

return to pre-1929 levels until 23 November 1954. "

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:08 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leo

in September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection in

the chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation and

destruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6th

lord Jupiter in the 6th house was also afflicted by natal Rahu, signalling

the banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, the

destruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed -

and a crisis broke out as predicted.

 

In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said,

transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to the

people. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transit

Rahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulative

influences to such communication.

 

However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that the

prediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trend

influences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, the

brief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the relief

evidenced any less true, especially as it is expected to continue after

these present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker.

It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time to

slow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.

 

My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influences

are at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. I

hope that you agree.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti of

Venus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn into

Virgo is expected to be associated with some relief.

 

Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,when

the station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Taurus

lifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rd

house, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sure

enough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such news

accounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at the

national level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.

They confirm the prediction.

 

As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,

Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USA

chart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associated

with e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,

etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.

Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will be

short lived.

 

Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present and

hence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, the

natal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strain

on its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th house

matters.

 

Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natal

placements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with this

planet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,

the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding to

the concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

My dear Thor,

 

My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners

of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms " or

personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply

interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on

the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get

some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and

overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report

and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was

just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will

likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming

weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.

However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a

sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -

november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

(summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

those long term minded people.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns

> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello my dear Thor, Brian and Vyas, During the Saturn sub period things are likely to improve to a good extent once the persisting transit afflictions are over towards the end of the year. The sub period of Mercury will also prove to be helpful barring some transit influences. The economy will be on sound footing in long run with taking care of the extra vaganza like aggressive / risky marketing and huge perks drawn by top bosses of the companies which was prevalent and contributed to the economic setbacks.

 

-

 

Vyas Munidas

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:08 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over

My dear Thor,My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer ><SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" or personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under study.Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is going on in the economy.Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits. However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some intense aspects for the next twelve months- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september - november 2009)- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december 2009-february 2010)- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu (summer 2010)- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer 2010)These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal strength/weakeness of the planets allows.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <munidas (AT) rogers (DOT) com>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetarystrength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger forsome so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things aregetting more difficult.It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart ofsomeone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulativefactors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such isthe nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good newscoming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can onlytruly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or goodnews. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'llsee that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the shortterm, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for thelarger crash.I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here isbecause he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of along bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation forthose long term minded people.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer ><SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of itspecifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of theeconomy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by youand Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt aboutthe improvement.ThorSAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Thor,>> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling> the> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter> worsens> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal> Saturn.>> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,> which is also quite appreciable.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Dear Vyas,>> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of> life.> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an> appreciable impact in the chart.>> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been> shown> to be correct.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> Vyas Munidas <muni>> SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>> Dear Thor,>> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the> weekend> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into> 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit> bottom> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the> Nobel> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a> seminar> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into> an> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a> W-shaped> recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc>> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�> Maki said> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a> lot left> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7> percent.> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo>> Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85> AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago> NEW YORK â?" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose> in> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity> in> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,> says> OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive> earlier> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will> remain> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic> Assessment.> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.> The> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the> time> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and> the> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.> http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear list members,> > Ã,> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to> > show> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to> > remain> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> > Ã,> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having> > begun. One report states> > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben> > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely over."> > Ã,> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,> > the> > Systems' Approach.> >> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with> > increased> > volatility likely in financial markets.> > Ã,> > Thor> >>>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

Dear Professor,

 

So are you predicting that over the 6 years (at least), there are only minor

setbacks and the US economy will have a good recovery?

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" SIHA " <vkchoudhry

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 10:49 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello my dear Thor, Brian and Vyas,

 

During the Saturn sub period things are likely to improve to a good extent

once the persisting transit afflictions are over towards the end of the

year. The sub period of Mercury will also prove to be helpful barring some

transit influences. The economy will be on sound footing in long run with

taking care of the extra vaganza like aggressive / risky marketing and huge

perks drawn by top bosses of the companies which was prevalent and

contributed to the economic setbacks.

 

 

 

-

Vyas Munidas

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:08 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

My dear Thor,

 

My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy.

Practitioners

of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms "

or

personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am

simply

interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on

the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get

some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk

and

overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just

report

and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman

was

just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will

likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming

weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.

However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees

a

sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -

november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

(summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart

of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such

is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can

only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or

good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the

short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for

the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

those long term minded people.

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on

Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu

also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn,

and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the

chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these

reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul

Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling

into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T

and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of

this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in

New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10

percent,â?�

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think

thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth

turns

> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will

show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity

rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose

0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up

from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7

percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic

activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across

the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower

annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to

GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely

over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its

timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect

ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello dear Vyas, Read minor setbacks as transit setbacks with generally on the recovery mode.

 

 

-

 

Vyas Munidas

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:49 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over

Dear Professor,So are you predicting that over the 6 years (at least), there are only minor setbacks and the US economy will have a good recovery?Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "SIHA" <vkchoudhry<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 10:49 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overHello my dear Thor, Brian and Vyas,During the Saturn sub period things are likely to improve to a good extent once the persisting transit afflictions are over towards the end of the year. The sub period of Mercury will also prove to be helpful barring some transit influences. The economy will be on sound footing in long run with taking care of the extra vaganza like aggressive / risky marketing and huge perks drawn by top bosses of the companies which was prevalent and contributed to the economic setbacks.- Vyas Munidas SAMVA Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:08 AM Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over My dear Thor, My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - "Cosmologer" <cosmologer <SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over Dear Vyas, I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" or personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under study. Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is going on in the economy. Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits. However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some intense aspects for the next twelve months - tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september - november 2009) - tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december 2009-february 2010) - tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu (summer 2010) - tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer 2010) These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal strength/weakeness of the planets allows. Thor ________________________________ Vyas Munidas <muni> SAMVA Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over Dear Thor, Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are getting more difficult. It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart. Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart. Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929 stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many, many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the larger crash. I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least) recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories, quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for those long term minded people. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - "cosmologer" <cosmologer <SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over Dear Vyas, Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about the improvement. Thor SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote: > > Dear Thor, > > In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn, > the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also > exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and > the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling > the > masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart > is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter > worsens > into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal > Saturn. > > Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can > expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are, > which is also quite appreciable. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM > Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over > > > Dear Vyas, > > Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA > chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of > life. > However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an > appreciable impact in the chart. > > predicted easing of conditions or improving economic > outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been > shown > to be correct. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > > > > ________________________________ > Vyas Munidas <muni> > SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM > Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over > > Dear Thor, > > Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports > coming out should be taken with a grain of salt. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer > <SAMVA > > Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM > Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over > > > Hello dear list, > > Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now > pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the > weekend > although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into > 2010, before it begins to get better. > > Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T > Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit > bottom > though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the > Nobel > Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been > postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a > seminar > in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into > an > abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a > W-shaped > recovery may become U-shaped. > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc > > U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says > Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this > year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New > York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?� > Maki said > today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a > lot left > to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7 > percent. > After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns > positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show > another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said. > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo > > Leading economic indicators rise in August > DJI 9,755.35 -64.85 > AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago > NEW YORK â?" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose > in > August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has > ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6 > percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from > 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent > gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity > in > the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index > increased in August, including stock prices and building permits. > http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy > > Thor > > > > > ________________________________ > cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM > Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over > > PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old. > > Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak, > says > OECD > 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive > earlier > than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will > remain > weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic > Assessment. > Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising > unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand. > The > current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the > time > being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the > Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal > contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP > forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and > the > Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual > growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP > in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009. > http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html > > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote: > > > > Hello dear list members, > > Ã, > > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to > > show > > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual > > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to > > remain > > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012. > > Ã, > > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having > > begun. One report states > > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben > > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely over." > > Ã, > > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate > > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã, > > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ, > > the > > Systems' Approach. > > > > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with > > increased > > volatility likely in financial markets. > > Ã, > > Thor > > > > > > > --- > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Professor,

 

There's no misunderstanding there. I am just confirming that you see only

minor economic problems for the time horizon mentioned. I haven't done the

full analysis for the next 6 years - I assume that you did, because you

usually don't just say things lightly.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" SIHA " <vkchoudhry

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 11:21 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

Read minor setbacks as transit setbacks with generally on the recovery mode.

 

 

 

-

Vyas Munidas

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:49 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Professor,

 

So are you predicting that over the 6 years (at least), there are only

minor

setbacks and the US economy will have a good recovery?

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" SIHA " <vkchoudhry

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 10:49 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello my dear Thor, Brian and Vyas,

 

During the Saturn sub period things are likely to improve to a good extent

once the persisting transit afflictions are over towards the end of the

year. The sub period of Mercury will also prove to be helpful barring

some

transit influences. The economy will be on sound footing in long run with

taking care of the extra vaganza like aggressive / risky marketing and

huge

perks drawn by top bosses of the companies which was prevalent and

contributed to the economic setbacks.

 

 

-

Vyas Munidas

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:08 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

My dear Thor,

 

My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy.

Practitioners

of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms "

or

personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am

simply

interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based

on

the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may

get

some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk

and

overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just

report

and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman

was

just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one

will

likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the

coming

weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult

transits.

However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he

sees

a

sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun

(september -

november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

(summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of

planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger

for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart

of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the

manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such

is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The

1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good

news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can

only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take

many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or

good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved,

you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the

short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for

the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here

is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news

stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of

a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation

for

those long term minded people.

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of

the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by

you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt

about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on

Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu

also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn,

and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus

ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the

chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of

natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords

are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have

an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving

economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these

reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are

now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise

into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul

Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at

a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling

into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T

and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of

this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in

New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10

percent,â?�

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think

thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth

turns

> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however,

will

show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity

rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose

0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up

from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7

percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic

activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as

rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private

demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for

the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across

the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan

and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower

annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to

GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin

to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart

(Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely

over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's

accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its

timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to

expect

ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello dear Vyas,

 

List members may make use of the following studies of the SA astrology of the Great Depression.

 

SAMVA USA chart: the Moon's nodes and the start of the Great Depression (December 19, 2007)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2007/12/samva-usa-chart-moons-nodes-and-start.html

 

SAMVA USA chart: Bank Holiday of 1933 (January 16, 2008)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/01/samva-usa-chart-bank-holiday-of-1933.html

 

Importantly, the major period operating was the Rahu period from 1919 to 1937. It was marked by a rise (Roaring Twenties) and a fall (Great Depression), which are characteristic influences of Rahu. The fortunes were strongly influenced by the sequence of sub-periods and transits. The major cataclysm came in the Rahu-Ketu period, which began on October 19, 1929, when the transit nodal axis was conjunct both the natal nodes and the MEPs of the 4th and 10th houses.

 

As for reporters who can't wait to report on an improvement, there are two things two keep in mind:

1) human hope springs eternal

2) one insight that has given is that an objective assessment requires removal of attachment from a given situation.

 

In other words, the wish for improvement (attachment for earlier booming period) and a better future (hope) may explain such over-optimistic news reports rather than some manipulation of people by the government. In this regard we may also note that with 1 lord Moon exalted in the 11th house, American's would generally tend to be an optimistic people. A case of manipulation of the masses by the government (associated with the natal influences of 8th lord Saturn's aspect on 2nd lord Sun and Rahu's affliction on the 10th house, 2nd house and 4th house and 6th house) is likely to have different motivations.

 

Thor

 

 

 

Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:29:46 AMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,List members may find it very illuminating to deeply study the great crash of 1929, the conditions pre and post, the news stories that were fed right after the crash, the sub periods and transits as well. An excerpt from an article on wikipedia:"After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) partially recovered in November-December 1929 and early 1930, only to reverse and crash again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. On July 8, 1932 the Dow reached its lowest level of the 20th century and did

not return to pre-1929 levels until 23 November 1954."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 8:08 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overHello dear Vyas,The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leo in September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection in the chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation and destruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6th lord Jupiter in the 6th house was also afflicted by

natal Rahu, signalling the banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, the destruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed - and a crisis broke out as predicted.In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said, transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to the people. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transit Rahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulative influences to such communication.However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that the prediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trend influences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, the brief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the relief evidenced any less true, especially as it is expected to continue after these

present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker. It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time to slow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influencesare at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. Ihope that you agree.Best regards,Vyas Munidas-

"Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti ofVenus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn intoVirgo is expected to be associated with some relief.Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,whenthe station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Tauruslifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rdhouse, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sureenough, some relief was reported in the newspapers.

The number of such newsaccounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at thenational level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.They confirm the prediction.As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USAchart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associatedwith e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will beshort lived.Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present andhence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, thenatal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strainon its indications manifesting mostly in

strain having to do with 7th housematters.Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natalplacements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with thisplanet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding tothe concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overMy dear Thor,My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, havestrong astrological backing

by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitionersof SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" orpersonal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simplyinterested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based onthe required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena understudy.Most economists just focus on the

measurements at hand. Sure, they may getsome very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk andoverleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just reportand draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman wasjust reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what isgoing on in the economy.Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you areright, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one willlikely do that too. In fact, has warned that the comingweeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees asluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are someintense aspects for the next twelve months- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun

(september -november 2009)- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december2009-february 2010)- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu(summer 2010)- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer2010)These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which willovertake the trend influences to the extent that the natalstrength/weakeness of the planets allows.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Professor Choudhury made his

prediction based on the increase of planetarystrength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger forsome so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things aregetting more difficult.It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart ofsomeone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulativefactors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such isthe nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good newscoming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can onlytruly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing

more money or goodnews. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'llsee that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the shortterm, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for thelarger crash.I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here isbecause he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of along bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation forthose long term minded people.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of itspecifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of theeconomy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by youand Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt aboutthe improvement.ThorSAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Thor,>> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3,

where Saturn, and> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling> the> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter> worsens> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal> Saturn.>> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,> which is also quite appreciable.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM> Re: : USA: the

recession is "very likely over>>> Dear Vyas,>> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of> life.> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an> appreciable impact in the chart.>> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been> shown> to be correct.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> Vyas Munidas <muni>> SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very

likely over>> Dear Thor,>> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the> weekend> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into> 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel

Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit> bottom> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the> Nobel> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a> seminar> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into> an> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a> W-shaped> recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc>> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in

New> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�> Maki said> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a> lot left> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7> percent.> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo>> Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85> AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago> NEW YORK â?" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose> in> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading

indicators rose 0.6> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity> in> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks

old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,> says> OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive> earlier> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will> remain> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic> Assessment.> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.> The> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the> time> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved

outlooks for Japan and> the> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.> http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear list members,> > Ã,> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to> > show> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to> > remain> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> > Ã,>

> The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having> > begun. One report states> > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben> > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely over."> > Ã,> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,> > the> > Systems' Approach.> >> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with> > increased> > volatility likely in financial markets.> > Ã,> > Thor> >>>>>> --->>

Links>>>>>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

Hello dear list members,

 

Here is a story which shows how the manipulative tendencies of Rahu or 8th lord can manifest. First, these influences can produces strong urges which the individual feels a need to satisfy without consideration for the impact on others or in contravention of social norms. The needs compel the individual to deceive others as necessary. Normally, the mental deception begins with one self. The ruse is then extended to others and pursued until it is discovered, often becoming quite elaborate before being discovered. A rise is then followed by a humiliating and painful fall. The Greek tragedies, including the Illiyad and Odyssey of Homer, were built on a similar theme, based on the hubris of individuals who seek worldly power or the satisifaction of personal desires, with a good amount of human arrogance, resulting in a tragic fall or painful experiences.

 

Edwards asked aide to claim paternity, sources say

updated 2 hours, 48 minutes ago

RALEIGH, North Carolina (CNN) -- Former Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards talked a campaign aide into claiming he fathered a child born to Edwards' onetime mistress, sources familiar with the issue said Monday. Andrew Young, former aide to Sen. John Edwards, claims Edwards knew all along his mistress was carrying his child. Edwards admitted to his affair with Rielle Hunter in August 2008 after months of denials, but said he could not have been the father of Hunter's daughter, who was born the previous February. Former Edwards staffer Andrew Young has said he was the girl's father -- but has recanted and says he made it because he believed in Edwards, lawyers and others familiar with the matter told CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/22/edwards.affair/index.html

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:18:06 AMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely over

 

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

List members may make use of the following studies of the SA astrology of the Great Depression.

 

SAMVA USA chart: the Moon's nodes and the start of the Great Depression (December 19, 2007)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2007/12/samva-usa-chart-moons-nodes-and-start.html

 

SAMVA USA chart: Bank Holiday of 1933 (January 16, 2008)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/01/samva-usa-chart-bank-holiday-of-1933.html

 

Importantly, the major period operating was the Rahu period from 1919 to 1937. It was marked by a rise (Roaring Twenties) and a fall (Great Depression), which are characteristic influences of Rahu. The fortunes were strongly influenced by the sequence of sub-periods and transits. The major cataclysm came in the Rahu-Ketu period, which began on October 19, 1929, when the transit nodal axis was conjunct both the natal nodes and the MEPs of the 4th and 10th houses.

 

As for reporters who can't wait to report on an improvement, there are two things two keep in mind:

1) human hope springs eternal

2) one insight that has given is that an objective assessment requires removal of attachment from a given situation.

 

In other words, the wish for improvement (attachment for earlier booming period) and a better future (hope) may explain such over-optimistic news reports rather than some manipulation of people by the government. In this regard we may also note that with 1 lord Moon exalted in the 11th house, American's would generally tend to be an optimistic people. A case of manipulation of the masses by the government (associated with the natal influences of 8th lord Saturn's aspect on 2nd lord Sun and Rahu's affliction on the 10th house, 2nd house and 4th house and 6th house) is likely to have different motivations.

 

Thor

 

 

 

Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:29:46 AMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,List members may find it very illuminating to deeply study the great crash of 1929, the conditions pre and post, the news stories that were fed right after the crash, the sub periods and transits as well. An excerpt from an article on wikipedia:"After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) partially recovered in November-December 1929 and early 1930, only to reverse and crash again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. On July 8, 1932 the Dow reached its lowest level of the 20th century and did

not return to pre-1929 levels until 23 November 1954."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 8:08 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overHello dear Vyas,The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leo in September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection in the chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation and destruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6th

lord Jupiter in the 6th house was also afflicted by natal Rahu, signalling the banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, the destruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed - and a crisis broke out as predicted.In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said, transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to the people. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transit Rahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulative influences to such communication.However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that the prediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trend influences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, the brief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the relief evidenced any less true,

especially as it is expected to continue after these present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker. It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time to slow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influencesare at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. Ihope

that you agree.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti ofVenus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn intoVirgo is expected to be associated with some relief.Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,whenthe station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Tauruslifted in early September, along with the entry of

Saturn into Virgo and 3rdhouse, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sureenough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such newsaccounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at thenational level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.They confirm the prediction.As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USAchart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associatedwith e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will beshort lived.Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present andhence its influence will be most

pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, thenatal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strainon its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th housematters.Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natalplacements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with thisplanet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding tothe concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday,

September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overMy dear Thor,My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, havestrong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitionersof SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" orpersonal

views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simplyinterested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based onthe required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena understudy.Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may getsome very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk andoverleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just reportand draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman wasjust reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what isgoing on in the economy.Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you areright, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one willlikely do that too. In fact, has warned that the comingweeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult

transits.However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees asluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are someintense aspects for the next twelve months- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -november 2009)- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december2009-february 2010)- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu(summer 2010)- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer2010)These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which willovertake the trend influences to the extent that the natalstrength/weakeness of the planets allows.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetarystrength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger forsome so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things aregetting more difficult.It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart ofsomeone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulativefactors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such

isthe nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good newscoming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can onlytruly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or goodnews. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'llsee that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the shortterm, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for thelarger crash.I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here isbecause he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of along

bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation forthose long term minded people.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of itspecifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of theeconomy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by youand Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt aboutthe

improvement.ThorSAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Thor,>> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling> the> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter> worsens> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal> Saturn.>> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can> expect

manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,> which is also quite appreciable.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Dear Vyas,>> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of> life.> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an> appreciable impact in the chart.>> predicted easing of conditions or improving

economic> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been> shown> to be correct.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> Vyas Munidas <muni>> SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>> Dear Thor,>> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the> weekend> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into> 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit> bottom> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the> Nobel> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University,

said at a> seminar> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into> an> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a> W-shaped> recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc>> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�> Maki said> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a> lot left> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7> percent.> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns>

positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo>> Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85> AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago> NEW YORK â?" A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose> in> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity> in> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index> increased in August, including

stock prices and building permits.> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,> says> OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive> earlier> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will> remain> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim

Economic> Assessment.> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.> The> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the> time> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and> the> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.> http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> ---

In SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello dear list members,> > Ã,> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to> > show> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to> > remain> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> > Ã,> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having> > begun. One report states> > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben> > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely over."> > Ã,> > Again, congratulations are in order for

's accurate> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,> > the> > Systems' Approach.> >> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with> > increased> > volatility likely in financial markets.> > Ã,> > Thor> >>>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

What I find most interesting about this is that after the initial crash in

1929, lots of hope was fed hope on the radio and newspapers without a

fundamental basis. Despite the optimism, things got worse with the market

bottoming 3 years later. Then there was a really slow grind for some 20

years to see better market levels, and it took many years for living

conditions to return.

 

Here's an article written on Forbes back in October 2004 showing the

opposing predictions of two knowledgeable strategists:

http://www.forbes.com/2004/10/25/cx_pk_1025mondaymatchup.html

 

Now, it's 2009 and we know that Prechter was correct in calling the fallout

several years in advance. Economic recovery in the minds of most people

means the return to pre-catastrophe happiness with solid infrastructure. I

have thought about this market fall since 2001 when I got interested in

finance and noticed that banks were grossly overleveraged. Now, I don't see

such a perky turnaround as many are being led to envision by these news

stories - just a very slow grind and more market scares.

 

Professor Choudhury has given his opinion about the USA for the next few

years. Let's see how it turns out.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:18 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

List members may make use of the following studies of the SA astrology of

the Great Depression.

 

SAMVA USA chart: the Moon's nodes and the start of the Great Depression

(December 19, 2007)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2007/12/samva-usa-chart-moons-nodes-and-start.htm\

l

 

SAMVA USA chart: Bank Holiday of 1933 (January 16, 2008)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/01/samva-usa-chart-bank-holiday-of-1933.html

 

Importantly, the major period operating was the Rahu period from 1919 to

1937. It was marked by a rise (Roaring Twenties) and a fall (Great

Depression), which are characteristic influences of Rahu. The fortunes were

strongly influenced by the sequence of sub-periods and transits. The major

cataclysm came in the Rahu-Ketu period, which began on October 19, 1929,

when the transit nodal axis was conjunct both the natal nodes and the MEPs

of the 4th and 10th houses.

 

As for reporters who can't wait to report on an improvement, there are two

things two keep in mind:

1) human hope springs eternal

2) one insight that has given is that an objective

assessment requires removal of attachment from a given situation.

 

In other words, the wish for improvement (attachment for earlier booming

period) and a better future (hope) may explain such over-optimistic news

reports rather than some manipulation of people by the government. In this

regard we may also note that with 1 lord Moon exalted in the 11th house,

American's would generally tend to be an optimistic people. A case of

manipulation of the masses by the government (associated with the natal

influences of 8th lord Saturn's aspect on 2nd lord Sun and Rahu's affliction

on the 10th house, 2nd house and 4th house and 6th house) is likely to have

different motivations.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:29:46 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

List members may find it very illuminating to deeply study the great crash

of 1929, the conditions pre and post, the news stories that were fed right

after the crash, the sub periods and transits as well. An excerpt from an

article on wikipedia:

 

" After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) partially

recovered in November-December 1929 and early 1930, only to reverse and

crash again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. On July

8, 1932 the Dow reached its lowest level of the 20th century and did not

return to pre-1929 levels until 23 November 1954. "

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:08 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leo

in September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection in

the chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation and

destruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6th

lord Jupiter in the 6th house was also afflicted by natal Rahu, signalling

the banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, the

destruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed -

and a crisis broke out as predicted.

 

In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said,

transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to the

people. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transit

Rahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulative

influences to such communication.

 

However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that the

prediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trend

influences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, the

brief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the relief

evidenced any less true, especially as it is expected to continue after

these present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker.

It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time to

slow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.

 

My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influences

are at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. I

hope that you agree.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti of

Venus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn into

Virgo is expected to be associated with some relief.

 

Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,when

the station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Taurus

lifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rd

house, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sure

enough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such news

accounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at the

national level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.

They confirm the prediction.

 

As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,

Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USA

chart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associated

with e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,

etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.

Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will be

short lived.

 

Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present and

hence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, the

natal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strain

on its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th house

matters.

 

Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natal

placements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with this

planet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,

the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding to

the concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

My dear Thor,

 

My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners

of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms " or

personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply

interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on

the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get

some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and

overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report

and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was

just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will

likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming

weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.

However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a

sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -

november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

(summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

those long term minded people.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns

> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Thor,

 

We can also take the same idea for the news stories coming out in the nation

when manipulations are indicated. Some things are exposed, and others

circulate.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:31 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear list members,

 

Here is a story which shows how the manipulative tendencies of Rahu or 8th

lord can manifest. First, these influences can produces strong urges which

the individual feels a need to satisfy without consideration for the impact

on others or in contravention of social norms. The needs compel the

individual to deceive others as necessary. Normally, the mental deception

begins with one self. The ruse is then extended to others and pursued until

it is discovered, often becoming quite elaborate before being discovered. A

rise is then followed by a humiliating and painful fall. The Greek

tragedies, including the Illiyad and Odyssey of Homer, were built on a

similar theme, based on the hubris of individuals who seek worldly power or

the satisifaction of personal desires, with a good amount of human

arrogance, resulting in a tragic fall or painful experiences.

 

Edwards asked aide to claim paternity, sources say

updated 2 hours, 48 minutes ago

RALEIGH, North Carolina (CNN) -- Former Democratic presidential hopeful John

Edwards talked a campaign aide into claiming he fathered a child born to

Edwards' onetime mistress, sources familiar with the issue said Monday.

Andrew Young, former aide to Sen. John Edwards, claims Edwards knew all

along his mistress was carrying his child. Edwards admitted to his affair

with Rielle Hunter in August 2008 after months of denials, but said he could

not have been the father of Hunter's daughter, who was born the previous

February. Former Edwards staffer Andrew Young has said he was the girl's

father -- but has recanted and says he made it because he believed in

Edwards, lawyers and others familiar with the matter told CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/22/edwards.affair/index.html

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Cosmologer <cosmologer

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:18:06 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

 

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

List members may make use of the following studies of the SA astrology of

the Great Depression.

 

SAMVA USA chart: the Moon's nodes and the start of the Great Depression

(December 19, 2007)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2007/12/samva-usa-chart-moons-nodes-and-start.htm\

l

 

SAMVA USA chart: Bank Holiday of 1933 (January 16, 2008)

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/01/samva-usa-chart-bank-holiday-of-1933.html

 

Importantly, the major period operating was the Rahu period from 1919 to

1937. It was marked by a rise (Roaring Twenties) and a fall (Great

Depression), which are characteristic influences of Rahu. The fortunes were

strongly influenced by the sequence of sub-periods and transits. The major

cataclysm came in the Rahu-Ketu period, which began on October 19, 1929,

when the transit nodal axis was conjunct both the natal nodes and the MEPs

of the 4th and 10th houses.

 

As for reporters who can't wait to report on an improvement, there are two

things two keep in mind:

1) human hope springs eternal

2) one insight that has given is that an objective

assessment requires removal of attachment from a given situation.

 

In other words, the wish for improvement (attachment for earlier booming

period) and a better future (hope) may explain such over-optimistic news

reports rather than some manipulation of people by the government. In this

regard we may also note that with 1 lord Moon exalted in the 11th house,

American's would generally tend to be an optimistic people. A case of

manipulation of the masses by the government (associated with the natal

influences of 8th lord Saturn's aspect on 2nd lord Sun and Rahu's affliction

on the 10th house, 2nd house and 4th house and 6th house) is likely to have

different motivations.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:29:46 AM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

List members may find it very illuminating to deeply study the great crash

of 1929, the conditions pre and post, the news stories that were fed right

after the crash, the sub periods and transits as well. An excerpt from an

article on wikipedia:

 

" After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) partially

recovered in November-December 1929 and early 1930, only to reverse and

crash again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. On July

8, 1932 the Dow reached its lowest level of the 20th century and did not

return to pre-1929 levels until 23 November 1954. "

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:08 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Hello dear Vyas,

 

The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leo

in September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection in

the chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation and

destruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6th

lord Jupiter in the 6th house was also afflicted by natal Rahu, signalling

the banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, the

destruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed -

and a crisis broke out as predicted.

 

In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said,

transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to the

people. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transit

Rahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulative

influences to such communication.

 

However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that the

prediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trend

influences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, the

brief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the relief

evidenced any less true, especially as it is expected to continue after

these present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker.

It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time to

slow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.

 

My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influences

are at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. I

hope that you agree.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti of

Venus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn into

Virgo is expected to be associated with some relief.

 

Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,when

the station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Taurus

lifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rd

house, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sure

enough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such news

accounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at the

national level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.

They confirm the prediction.

 

As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,

Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USA

chart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associated

with e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,

etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.

Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will be

short lived.

 

Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present and

hence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, the

natal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strain

on its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th house

matters.

 

Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natal

placements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with this

planet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,

the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding to

the concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.

 

Thor

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

My dear Thor,

 

My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners

of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

-

" Cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms " or

personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply

interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on

the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

study.

 

Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get

some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and

overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report

and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was

just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

going on in the economy.

 

Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will

likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming

weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.

However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a

sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

intense aspects for the next twelve months

 

- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -

november 2009)

- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

2009-february 2010)

- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

(summer 2010)

- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

2010)

 

These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vyas Munidas <muni>

SAMVA

Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

Dear Thor,

 

Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

getting more difficult.

 

It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of

someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

 

Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

 

Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is

the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only

truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good

news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short

term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the

larger crash.

 

I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

those long term minded people.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

-

" cosmologer " <cosmologer

<SAMVA >

Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

the improvement.

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> the

> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> worsens

> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> Saturn.

>

> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> which is also quite appreciable.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> life.

> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> appreciable impact in the chart.

>

> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> shown

> to be correct.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list,

>

> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> weekend

> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> 2010, before it begins to get better.

>

> Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> bottom

> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the

> Nobel

> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> seminar

> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into

> an

> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a

> W-shaped

> recovery may become U-shaped.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

>

> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�

> Maki said

> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a

> lot left

> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> percent.

> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns

> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

>

> Leading economic indicators rise in August

> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose

> in

> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity

> in

> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

>

> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> says

> OECD

> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> earlier

> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> remain

> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> Assessment.

> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> The

> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> time

> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> the

> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

>

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> > Ã,

> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > show

> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > remain

> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > Ã,

> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > begun. One report states

> > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely over. "

> > Ã,

> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,

> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect ofÃ,

> > the

> > Systems' Approach.

> >

> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > increased

> > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > Ã,

> > Thor

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vyas,

 

Why would a new administration cover up for the sins of the last one?

 

That said, let us end this threat before it becomes a burden for us and the list members.

 

Thor

 

 

 

Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:09:56 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,We can also take the same idea for the news stories coming out in the nation when manipulations are indicated. Some things are exposed, and others circulate.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:31 AMRe:

: USA: the recession is "very likely overHello dear list members,Here is a story which shows how the manipulative tendencies of Rahu or 8th lord can manifest. First, these influences can produces strong urges which the individual feels a need to satisfy without consideration for the impact on others or in contravention of social norms. The needs compel the individual to deceive others as necessary. Normally, the mental deception begins with one self. The ruse is then extended to others and pursued until it is discovered, often becoming quite elaborate before being discovered. A rise is then followed by a humiliating and painful fall. The Greek tragedies, including the Illiyad and Odyssey of Homer, were built on a similar theme, based on the hubris of individuals who seek worldly power or the satisifaction of personal desires, with a good amount of human arrogance, resulting in a

tragic fall or painful experiences.Edwards asked aide to claim paternity, sources sayupdated 2 hours, 48 minutes agoRALEIGH, North Carolina (CNN) -- Former Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards talked a campaign aide into claiming he fathered a child born to Edwards' onetime mistress, sources familiar with the issue said Monday. Andrew Young, former aide to Sen. John Edwards, claims Edwards knew all along his mistress was carrying his child. Edwards admitted to his affair with Rielle Hunter in August 2008 after months of denials, but said he could not have been the father of Hunter's daughter, who was born the previous February. Former Edwards staffer Andrew Young has said he was the girl's father -- but has recanted and says he made it because he believed in Edwards, lawyers and others familiar with the matter told CNN.http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/22/edwards.affair/index.htmlThor________________________________ Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:18:06 AMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overHello dear Vyas,List members may make use of the following studies of the SA astrology of the Great Depression.SAMVA USA chart: the Moon's nodes and the start of the Great Depression (December 19, 2007)http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2007/12/samva-usa-chart-moons-nodes-and-start.htmlSAMVA USA chart: Bank Holiday of 1933 (January 16, 2008)http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/01/samva-usa-chart-bank-holiday-of-1933.htmlImportantly, the major period operating was the Rahu period from 1919 to 1937. It was marked by a rise (Roaring Twenties) and a fall (Great Depression), which are characteristic influences of Rahu. The fortunes were strongly influenced by the sequence of sub-periods and transits. The major cataclysm came in the Rahu-Ketu period, which began on October 19, 1929, when the transit nodal axis was conjunct both the natal nodes and the MEPs of the 4th and 10th houses.As for reporters who can't wait to report on an improvement, there are two things two keep in

mind:1) human hope springs eternal2) one insight that has given is that an objective assessment requires removal of attachment from a given situation.In other words, the wish for improvement (attachment for earlier booming period) and a better future (hope) may explain such over-optimistic news reports rather than some manipulation of people by the government. In this regard we may also note that with 1 lord Moon exalted in the 11th house, American's would generally tend to be an optimistic people. A case of manipulation of the masses by the government (associated with the natal influences of 8th lord Saturn's aspect on 2nd lord Sun and Rahu's affliction on the 10th house, 2nd house and 4th house and 6th house) is likely to have different motivations.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:29:46 AMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,List members may find it very illuminating to deeply study the great crashof 1929, the conditions pre and post, the news stories that were fed rightafter the crash, the sub periods and transits as well. An excerpt from anarticle on wikipedia:"After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) partiallyrecovered in November-December 1929 and early 1930, only to reverse andcrash again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. On July8, 1932 the Dow reached its lowest level of the 20th century and did notreturn to pre-1929 levels until 23 November 1954."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 8:08 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overHello dear Vyas,The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leoin September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection inthe chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation anddestruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6thlord Jupiter in the 6th house was also

afflicted by natal Rahu, signallingthe banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, thedestruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed -and a crisis broke out as predicted.In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said,transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to thepeople. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transitRahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulativeinfluences to such communication.However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that theprediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trendinfluences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, thebrief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the reliefevidenced any less true, especially as it is expected to continue afterthese

present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker.It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time toslow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influencesare at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. Ihope that you agree.Best regards,Vyas Munidas-

"Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti ofVenus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn intoVirgo is expected to be associated with some relief.Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,whenthe station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Tauruslifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rdhouse, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sureenough, some relief was reported in the newspapers.

The number of such newsaccounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at thenational level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.They confirm the prediction.As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USAchart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associatedwith e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will beshort lived.Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present andhence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, thenatal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strainon its indications manifesting mostly in

strain having to do with 7th housematters.Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natalplacements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with thisplanet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding tothe concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overMy dear Thor,My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, havestrong astrological backing

by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitionersof SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "Cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning "long bottoms" orpersonal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simplyinterested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based onthe required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena understudy.Most economists just focus on the

measurements at hand. Sure, they may getsome very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk andoverleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just reportand draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman wasjust reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what isgoing on in the economy.Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you areright, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one willlikely do that too. In fact, has warned that the comingweeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees asluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are someintense aspects for the next twelve months- tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun

(september -november 2009)- tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december2009-february 2010)- tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu(summer 2010)- tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer2010)These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which willovertake the trend influences to the extent that the natalstrength/weakeness of the planets allows.Thor________________________________Vyas Munidas <muni>SAMVA Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Thor,Professor Choudhury made his

prediction based on the increase of planetarystrength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger forsome so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things aregetting more difficult.It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart ofsomeone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulativefactors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such isthe nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good newscoming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can onlytruly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing

more money or goodnews. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'llsee that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the shortterm, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for thelarger crash.I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here isbecause he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of along bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation forthose long term minded people.Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "cosmologer" <cosmologer<SAMVA >Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PMRe: : USA: the recession is "very likely overDear Vyas,Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of itspecifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of theeconomy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by youand Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt aboutthe improvement.ThorSAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear Thor,>> In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,> the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also> exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3,

where Saturn, and> the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling> the> masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart> is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter> worsens> into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal> Saturn.>> Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can> expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,> which is also quite appreciable.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM> Re: : USA: the

recession is "very likely over>>> Dear Vyas,>> Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA> chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of> life.> However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an> appreciable impact in the chart.>> predicted easing of conditions or improving economic> outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been> shown> to be correct.>> Best wishes,>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> Vyas Munidas <muni>> SAMVA > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very

likely over>> Dear Thor,>> Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports> coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.>>> Best regards,>> Vyas Munidas>> - > "Cosmologer" <cosmologer> <SAMVA >> Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM> Re: : USA: the recession is "very likely over>>> Hello dear list,>> Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now> pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the> weekend> although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into> 2010, before it begins to get better.>> Nobel

Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit> bottom> though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman, the> Nobel> Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been> postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a> seminar> in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into> an> abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a> W-shaped> recovery may become U-shaped.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc>> U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says> Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs

by the end of this> year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New> York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�> Maki said> today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a> lot left> to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7> percent.> After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns> positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show> another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo>> Leading economic indicators rise in August> DJI 9,755.35 -64.85> AP Businessâ?" 30 mins ago> NEW YORK â?" A private research

group's forecast of economic activity rose> in> August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has> ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6> percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from> 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent> gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity> in> the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index> increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.> http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy>> Thor>>>>> ________________________________> cosmologer <cosmologer> SAMVA > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM> Re: USA: the recession is "very likely over>> PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.>> Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,> says> OECD> 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive> earlier> than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will> remain> weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic> Assessment.> Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising> unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.> The> current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the>

time> being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the> Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal> contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP> forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and> the> Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual> growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP> in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.> http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.html>> SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:> >> > Hello

dear list members,> > Ã,> > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to> > show> > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual> > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to> > remain> > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.> > Ã,> > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having> > begun. One report states> > "The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben> > Bernankeââ,¬â"¢s statement that the recession is "very likely over."> > Ã,> > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate> > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,> > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect

ofÃ,> > the> > Systems' Approach.> >> > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with> > increased> > volatility likely in financial markets.> > Ã,> > Thor> >>>>>> --->>

[Guest guest]

PS One spelling correction. The word 'threat' should, of course, be 'thread' (as

in discussion thread.

 

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Why would a new administration cover up for the sins of the last one?

>

> That said, let us end this threat before it becomes a burden for us and the

list members.

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:09:56 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> We can also take the same idea for the news stories coming out in the nation

> when manipulations are indicated. Some things are exposed, and others

> circulate.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:31 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> Here is a story which shows how the manipulative tendencies of Rahu or 8th

> lord can manifest. First, these influences can produces strong urges which

> the individual feels a need to satisfy without consideration for the impact

> on others or in contravention of social norms. The needs compel the

> individual to deceive others as necessary. Normally, the mental deception

> begins with one self. The ruse is then extended to others and pursued until

> it is discovered, often becoming quite elaborate before being discovered. A

> rise is then followed by a humiliating and painful fall. The Greek

> tragedies, including the Illiyad and Odyssey of Homer, were built on a

> similar theme, based on the hubris of individuals who seek worldly power or

> the satisifaction of personal desires, with a good amount of human

> arrogance, resulting in a tragic fall or painful experiences.

>

> Edwards asked aide to claim paternity, sources say

> updated 2 hours, 48 minutes ago

> RALEIGH, North Carolina (CNN) -- Former Democratic presidential hopeful John

> Edwards talked a campaign aide into claiming he fathered a child born to

> Edwards' onetime mistress, sources familiar with the issue said Monday.

> Andrew Young, former aide to Sen. John Edwards, claims Edwards knew all

> along his mistress was carrying his child. Edwards admitted to his affair

> with Rielle Hunter in August 2008 after months of denials, but said he could

> not have been the father of Hunter's daughter, who was born the previous

> February. Former Edwards staffer Andrew Young has said he was the girl's

> father -- but has recanted and says he made it because he believed in

> Edwards, lawyers and others familiar with the matter told CNN.

> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/22/edwards.affair/index.html

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Cosmologer <cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:18:06 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

>

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> List members may make use of the following studies of the SA astrology of

> the Great Depression.

>

> SAMVA USA chart: the Moon's nodes and the start of the Great Depression

> (December 19, 2007)

>

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2007/12/samva-usa-chart-moons-nodes-and-start.htm\

l

>

> SAMVA USA chart: Bank Holiday of 1933 (January 16, 2008)

>

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/01/samva-usa-chart-bank-holiday-of-1933.html

>

> Importantly, the major period operating was the Rahu period from 1919 to

> 1937. It was marked by a rise (Roaring Twenties) and a fall (Great

> Depression), which are characteristic influences of Rahu. The fortunes were

> strongly influenced by the sequence of sub-periods and transits. The major

> cataclysm came in the Rahu-Ketu period, which began on October 19, 1929,

> when the transit nodal axis was conjunct both the natal nodes and the MEPs

> of the 4th and 10th houses.

>

> As for reporters who can't wait to report on an improvement, there are two

> things two keep in mind:

> 1) human hope springs eternal

> 2) one insight that has given is that an objective

> assessment requires removal of attachment from a given situation.

>

> In other words, the wish for improvement (attachment for earlier booming

> period) and a better future (hope) may explain such over-optimistic news

> reports rather than some manipulation of people by the government. In this

> regard we may also note that with 1 lord Moon exalted in the 11th house,

> American's would generally tend to be an optimistic people. A case of

> manipulation of the masses by the government (associated with the natal

> influences of 8th lord Saturn's aspect on 2nd lord Sun and Rahu's affliction

> on the 10th house, 2nd house and 4th house and 6th house) is likely to have

> different motivations.

>

> Thor

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Tuesday, September 22, 2009 1:29:46 AM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> List members may find it very illuminating to deeply study the great crash

> of 1929, the conditions pre and post, the news stories that were fed right

> after the crash, the sub periods and transits as well. An excerpt from an

> article on wikipedia:

>

> " After the crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) partially

> recovered in November-December 1929 and early 1930, only to reverse and

> crash again, reaching a low point of the great bear market in 1932. On July

> 8, 1932 the Dow reached its lowest level of the 20th century and did not

> return to pre-1929 levels until 23 November 1954. "

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 8:08 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> The aspect of natal Rahu in the SAMVA USA chart to transit 8th Saturn in Leo

> in September 2008 was a case of such an aspect having a direct connection in

> the chart. A lot of problems were encountered, including manipulation and

> destruction of legitimacy and assets, etc.. At the same time, transit 6th

> lord Jupiter in the 6th house was also afflicted by natal Rahu, signalling

> the banking crisis. As Jupiter also cast an aspect to transit Saturn, the

> destruction of assets and legitimacy was compounded. Tough times indeed -

> and a crisis broke out as predicted.

>

> In this case, the relevance to the USA is far less pronounced. That said,

> transit 8th lord Saturn has to do with government communication to the

> people. Saturn is in the 3rd house of communication. The aspect from transit

> Rahu in the 7th house of foreign policy could bring some manipulative

> influences to such communication.

>

> However, keep in mind the trend influences mentioned, and the fact that the

> prediction was based on the relief of prior transit strains. The trend

> influences will continue after these brief influences pass. Moreover, the

> brief aspect of transit Rahu to transit Saturn doesn´t make the relief

> evidenced any less true, especially as it is expected to continue after

> these present transit strains pass. An economy is like a large oil tanker.

> It takes time to build up speed and when it gets moving, it takes time to

> slow down. Some squalls don´t alter that fact.

>

> Thor

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 11:50:25 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Correct, and this has been seen and said many times.

>

> My point is besides this and it stands strong:- when manipulative influences

> are at work, the increased positive news coming out should be questioned. I

> hope that you agree.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 7:20 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> In general, the trend in the SAMVA USA chart is as per the dasa-bukhti of

> Venus-Saturn, that is for sluggish growth. The entry of transit Saturn into

> Virgo is expected to be associated with some relief.

>

> Stationary transit afflictions may produce significant events. Hence,when

> the station of Rahu at 6° Capricorn in aspect to natal Moon at 7° 19' Taurus

> lifted in early September, along with the entry of Saturn into Virgo and 3rd

> house, and out of the aspect of natal Saturn, some relief was expected. Sure

> enough, some relief was reported in the newspapers. The number of such news

> accounts has been continuous since and that is what is important at the

> national level. This is why I have shared those news stories on the list.

> They confirm the prediction.

>

> As for the transit-to-transit aspect of Rahu in early Capricorn to Saturn,

> Sun and Mercury in early Virgo is not strongly linked into the SAMVA USA

> chart. However, this transit will surely add to other tensions associated

> with e.g. the aspect of tr Saturn and tr Ketu to natal Jupiter in the chart,

> etc. and more so, as you point out, as Saturn is sub-period lord.

> Importantly, as those aspects aren't stationary, their influence will be

> short lived.

>

> Only the aspect of tr Jupiter to natal Sun is stationary at present and

> hence its influence will be most pronounced. Fortunately, for the USA, the

> natal Sun is strong and thus the influence is mostly a 6th house type strain

> on its indications manifesting mostly in strain having to do with 7th house

> matters.

>

> Finally, the present transit Rahu affliction is not linked into natal

> placements in the USA chart, hence the influences associated with this

> planet are not expected to be strongly felt in the national life. That said,

> the transit-to-transit influences will be there for a few weeks, adding to

> the concerns linked to the other adverse transits earlier mentioned.

>

> Thor

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38:21 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> My dear Thor,

>

> My point re: news coming out when manipulative factors are heavy, have

> strong astrological backing by SA and is therefore noteworthy. Practitioners

> of SA can choose to accept or deny it per their personal understanding.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

>

> -

> " Cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 5:12 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> I don´t see the value of going into semantics concerning " long bottoms " or

> personal views on the soundness of the capitalist system, etc.. I am simply

> interested in analysing the SA astrology of the SAMVA USA chart, based on

> the required understanding of the chart and the mundane phenomena under

> study.

>

> Most economists just focus on the measurements at hand. Sure, they may get

> some very important things completely wrong, such as the extent of risk and

> overleverage in the financial system. In general, however, they just report

> and draw conclusions from the data being tabulated and released. Krugman was

> just reacting to the incoming data. It was changing his view of what is

> going on in the economy.

>

> Sure, the USA has had many financial crisis in its history, and, you are

> right, they can take a long time to work themselves out. And this one will

> likely do that too. In fact, has warned that the coming

> weeks may see setbacks in financial markets due to the difficult transits.

> However, long term, based on the Venus-Saturn period, in general, he sees a

> sluggish recovery. Of course, as I have mentioned before, there are some

> intense aspects for the next twelve months

>

> - tr stationary 6th lord Jupiter conjunct natal 2nd lord Sun (september -

> november 2009)

> - tr stationary 8th lord Saturn aspects natal 10th lord Mars (december

> 2009-february 2010)

> - tr stationary Rahu afflicts natal Rahu and tr Ketu afflicts natal Ketu

> (summer 2010)

> - tr Saturn opposite tr Jupiter, while both aspect natal Jupiter (summer

> 2010)

>

> These aspects will have their own influence at these times, which will

> overtake the trend influences to the extent that the natal

> strength/weakeness of the planets allows.

>

> Thor

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vyas Munidas <muni>

> SAMVA

> Monday, September 21, 2009 8:38:27 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

> Dear Thor,

>

> Professor Choudhury made his prediction based on the increase of planetary

> strength and the removal of key afflictions. And this was the trigger for

> some so-called recovery news. Now the news is increasing when things are

> getting more difficult.

>

> It's up to you how you choose to judge this. For me, if I know the chart of

> someone who is trying to sell me a story, and I know that the manipulative

> factors are at play, I tend not to buy it. We have the USA's chart.

>

> Doubt about improvement is seen from the chart.

>

> Can the stock market continue to rally from here? Of course it can! Such is

> the nature of greed and feeding optimistic stories into the pool. The 1929

> stock market crash took years to unravel and there were lots of good news

> coming out after the initial fallout. The health of the US economy can only

> truly improve if the right infrastructure is put it - this can take many,

> many years. These problems won't just vanish by printing more money or good

> news. If you examine the reasons why the stock market has improved, you'll

> see that it's because of cutbacks and good old fashioned greed. In the short

> term, yes, full recovery! And many bad decisions can be made on this for the

> larger crash.

>

> I think the fundamental reason that Brian and you are disagreeing here is

> because he's looking long term. To him, I suppose, (and for me at least)

> recovery means sustainable and long term improvement. These news stories,

> quoted with Professor Choudhury's statements may give the impression of a

> long bottom in place. And I think this gives the wrong interpretation for

> those long term minded people.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " cosmologer " <cosmologer

> <SAMVA >

> Monday, September 21, 2009 3:40 PM

> Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> Ah, but that is a transit-to-transit aspect. I wasn´t thinking of it

> specifically in relation to the USA. The reports of a bottoming out of the

> economy arrived before any of these aspects took hold. If the posts by you

> and Brian are any indication, these aspects may tend to create doubt about

> the improvement.

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > In the transit situation Rahu has an increasingly close impact on Saturn,

> > the subperiod lord. Saturn here functions as a Rahu like planet. Rahu also

> > exactly afflicts the transit Sun, and Mercury (the LO3, where Saturn, and

> > the Sun are placed). Saturn also exactly afflicts Mercury. Venus ruling

> > the

> > masses is in the sign Leo, ruled by the Sun, and the Moon ruling the chart

> > is in the Libra, ruled by Virgo. Saturn's influence on natal Jupiter

> > worsens

> > into middle of October. Mercury retrogrades into the influence of natal

> > Saturn.

> >

> > Wherever Rahu or planets which function like Rahu in the chart, we can

> > expect manipulations. The houses aren't afflicted, but their lords are,

> > which is also quite appreciable.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > <SAMVA >

> > Monday, September 21, 2009 2:01 PM

> > Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

> >

> >

> > Dear Vyas,

> >

> > Natal Rahu afflicts the 10th, 2nd, 4th and 6th houses in the SAMVA USA

> > chart, suggesting some scope for manipulation in the affected areas of

> > life.

> > However, at the present time neither transit Rahu or natal Rahu have an

> > appreciable impact in the chart.

> >

> > predicted easing of conditions or improving economic

> > outlook in the USA from August 2009. So far, this prediction has been

> > shown

> > to be correct.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Thor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Vyas Munidas <munidas@>

> > SAMVA

> > Monday, September 21, 2009 5:45:57 PM

> > Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

> >

> > Dear Thor,

> >

> > Right now Rahu has a notebale mpact on the USA, and as such these reports

> > coming out should be taken with a grain of salt.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > " Cosmologer " <cosmologer@>

> > <SAMVA >

> > Monday, September 21, 2009 10:34 AM

> > Re: : USA: the recession is " very likely over

> >

> >

> > Hello dear list,

> >

> > Reports confirming a bottom of the recession and recovery ahead are now

> > pouring in from all quarters. President Obama said as much over the

> > weekend

> > although he warned that unemployment would likely continue to rise into

> > 2010, before it begins to get better.

> >

> > Nobel Winner Krugman Says â?~End of World Postponedâ?T

> > Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The global economic downturn has probably hit

> > bottom

> > though the recovery will be â?oslow and painful,â?� said Paul Krugman,

the

> > Nobel

> > Prize winning economist. â?oThe end of the world appears to have been

> > postponed,â?� Krugman, a professor at Princeton University, said at a

> > seminar

> > in Helsinki today. The world economy â?odoes not appear to be falling into

> > an

> > abyss but is stillâ?� in trouble. The outlook is â?overy fuzzyâ?T and a

> > W-shaped

> > recovery may become U-shaped.

> > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=ap6aPBj59zLc

> >

> > U.S. Economy Will Add Jobs by End of This Year, Maki Says

> > Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy will add jobs by the end of this

> > year, said Dean Maki, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Capital Inc. in New

> > York. The unemployment rate will â?opeak slightly below 10 percent,â?�

> > Maki said

> > today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. â?oWe donâ?Tt think thereâ?Ts a

> > lot left

> > to go.â?� In August, the rate reached a quarter-century high of 9.7

> > percent.

> > After losing jobs every month since December 2007, â?opayroll growth turns

> > positiveâ?� within three months, Maki said. September, however, will show

> > another net loss in non-farm payrolls, he said.

> > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087 & sid=a90t8ybOKLSo

> >

> > Leading economic indicators rise in August

> > DJI 9,755.35 -64.85

> > AP Businessâ? " 30 mins ago

> > NEW YORK â? " A private research group's forecast of economic activity rose

> > in

> > August for the fifth straight month, the latest sign the recession has

> > ended. The Conference Board says its index of leading indicators rose 0.6

> > percent in August. That follows a 0.9 percent gain in July revised up from

> > 0.6 percent. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a 0.7 percent

> > gain last month. The indicators are designed to project economic activity

> > in

> > the next three to six months. Five of the 10 that comprise the index

> > increased in August, including stock prices and building permits.

> > http://news./s/ap/20090921/ap_on_bi_ge/us_economy

> >

> > Thor

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > cosmologer <cosmologer@>

> > SAMVA

> > Friday, September 18, 2009 10:34:59 PM

> > Re: USA: the recession is " very likely over

> >

> > PS Some more interesting information, although a few weeks old.

> >

> > Recovery arriving quicker than expected but activity will remain weak,

> > says

> > OECD

> > 03/09/2009 - Recovery from the global recession is likely to arrive

> > earlier

> > than had been expected a few months ago but the pace of activity will

> > remain

> > weak well into next year, according the OECD's latest Interim Economic

> > Assessment.

> > Governments will need to continue to stimulate their economies as rising

> > unemployment and weak housing markets continue to dampen private demand.

> > The

> > current exceptionally low interest rates should remain in force for the

> > time

> > being, the assessment adds. The OECD forecasts economic growth across the

> > Group of Seven countries to fall by 3.7% this year, a less brutal

> > contraction than the 4.1% drop projected in June 2009. The latest GDP

> > forecasts for this year provide slightly improved outlooks for Japan and

> > the

> > Euro area and an unchanged overall projection for the US. The lower annual

> > growth projection for the UK this year is due to downward revisions to GDP

> > in the final quarter of last year and first quarter of 2009.

> >

http://www.oecd.org/document/25/0,3343,en_2649_34109_43605657_1_1_1_37443,00.htm\

l

> >

> > SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello dear list members,

> > > Ã,

> > > The prediction by for the USÃ, economy to begin to

> > > show

> > > signs of recovery in September based on the SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual

> > > Union) has come true. That said, the recoveryÃ, is also expected to

> > > remain

> > > sluggish in the Saturn sub-period until 2012.

> > > Ã,

> > > The data and analysis is convincing on this point of recovery having

> > > begun. One report states

> > > " The data this week clearly supported Federal Reserve Chairman Ben

> > > Bernankeââ,¬â " ¢s statement that the recession is " very likely

over. "

> > > Ã,

> > > Again, congratulations are in order for 's accurate

> > > prediction, both about the nature of the event as well as its timing.Ã,

> > > WhileÃ, aÃ, remarkable feat, it is also what we have come to expect

ofÃ,

> > > the

> > > Systems' Approach.

> > >

> > > At the same time, the coming weeks are likely to be tense, with

> > > increased

> > > volatility likely in financial markets.

> > > Ã,

> > > Thor

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >