[SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Transit influences in 2010.

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Hello list members,

 

A discussion of the of the present financial crisis and its possible evolution may be helpful to those wishing to better understand astrological dynamics in the SAMVA USA chart at the present time and going forward.

 

The discussion involves how the financial system recovers after banks go bust due to reckless lending.

 

The experience of Japan to cope with such problems may be instructive. The stock market in Japan crashed of 1989/90. The crash and a recession that followed undermined the banks. The Japanese central bank used a zero interest rate monetary policy for a long time in an effort to expand the balance sheets of commercial banks with the aim to restore credit growth. This did not work. Some say the problem resides in the fact that Japanese policy makers did not restructure the banks, by seperating out the bad debts and allowing the worst banks to go belly up, thus punishing the owners and bad managers. Instead, the bad loans were swept under the carpet and the bank managers kept their jobs and owners their share. Perhaps this reflects the undue influence of the bank owners to protect their interests. In any event, such a policy ensured a paralysis of

bank lending for a long time, while the banks worked off the bad loans. As the Japanese financial system did not have robust equities or bond markets, to off-set the parlysed banking system, credit growth could not increase with effects on the economy. Moreover, while the Japanese policy makers tried fiscal stimulus, it also did not work in this environment and the economy did not manage grow its way out of the problems. The public debts just piled up. Only in recent years, after almost two decades of such problems in financial intermediation, has the Japanese economy shown some signs of a recovery, even if it is now again in recession.

 

By comparison, the American's have a histroy of taking the bull by the horns, so to speak, by allowing banks to go belly up while ensuring the system continues functioning. In 2008, policy makers made sure to remove bad loans from the balance sheets of otherwise viable banks. While many banks went bust and the system shrank in size, the likelihood of a resumption of lending has been increased once the brunt of the crisis blows over. In short, the Americans have not made the same mistake as the Japanese with regard to the banking system. However, their actions have resulted in the government racking up huge debts. We can hope the US financial system eventually recovers, without rising inflation or serious financing problems. In this regard, the increased focus of economic policies in the USA on a timely "exit strategy" - or a withdrawl of the fiscal and

monetary policy stimulus since the crash, in order to reduce the liklihood of inflation and debt problems becoming a major threat to economic growth going forward. If inflation and public finances spiral out of control, this would suggest the economy is headed for deeper problems.

 

According to the SAMVA USA chart, the US economy is set to muddle through in 2010 and 2011. However, by the looks of the transits in the summer of 2010, things are likely to be difficult also that year. So, the US economy is not out of the woods yet. Barring unforseen transit problems in coming years, the economy should improve on a trend basis in the Mercury period from 2012. That said, recessions have been seen to unfold in its sub-period in US history when transits have been adverse. From 2016, during the period of the strong Sun in the chart, a good degree of vitality would however be restored to the economy and the wealth and status replenished.

 

Time will tell.

 

Thor

 

 

 

<vkchoudhrySystemsApproachToVedic Astrology Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 2:40:14 AMRe: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in 2010.Hello dear Mr. Smith,The indications of your long experience based intuition and astrology are more or less in agreement. But despite persistent challenges and obstructions some recovery will start with the separation of prolonged afflictions to the natal Sun in USA SAMVA chart.- jason smith SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:46 PM Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in 2010. My extensive and successful 60 years of experience in financial markets, (I am 85), says that the USA is in serious trouble. The mouth of the nation continues to write checks that its bank cannot cash. Anyways, this isn't a forum, as far as I know, to discuss economic analysis and understanding; so I'll end this thread here. Jason Smith On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > > Hello Jason, > > You

are right real economic numbers are best to evaluate the situation. > However, there is not the chasm of difference between the hard numbers and > the outlook as you suggest. Moroever, please note that the GDP numbers for > 2009 are limited to the first three quarters, of the year. Further, the > third quarter numbers are provisional and likely to be revised (either up or > down) next year. There are no GDP numbers yet for the 4th quarter of > 2009. As such, the knowledge of the situation at the present time, to which > the prediction applies, is limited and will only become clear sometime next > year. In the meantime we have all kinds of ad hoc information by which to > judge the situation and the outlook at any time is based on such data. While > the prediction applies to the outlook for the economy at this juncture,

with > a trend prediction for the Saturn period as a whole, the prediction for the > autumn months can be helpful to those trying > to anticipate how the financial market is likely to be doing at this time, > i.e. far better than in the Spring. > > Thor > > ________________________________ > jason smith <jasonsmith108 <jasonsmith108%40gmail.com>> > SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40> > Wed, November 4, 2009 1:21:07 PM > > Re:

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit > influences in 2010. > > In my humble view, real numbers count for more than estimation and > speculative outlooks. Stock indices are usually much more indicative of > greed, fear, and future estimation than the current situation. > > One really good point to draw from the essay(!) below, is that there is a > difference between predicting sentiment and outlook for a country vs. solid > fundamentals. Each has very good value. > > Jason > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Cosmologer <cosmologer<cosmologer%40>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello my dear

and list members, > > > > We have discussed these issues quite extensively on SAMVA list, but allow > > me to mention a few things on this list as the issue has also been raised > > here. > > > > First, there are two things to keep in mind when evaluating the economy. > > The 'state of the economy' is different from its prospects, that is, if > the > > economy is expected to improve or not going forward. In your prediction > for > > the fall of 2009, you were discussing the latter. Indeed, the outlook for > > the US economy improved in the autumn months of 2009 as predicted. There > is > > no doubt about that. Even then, the state of the economy is still far > from > > good, with unemployment

high and output levels still below those of 2008. > > > > Gross Domestic Output (GDP) is estimated to have stopped declining in the > > 3rd quarter of 2009 (July-Sept). Future re-estimates may likely increase > the > > GDP in that quarter. Further, the estimate for the 4th quarter (Oct-Dec) > > 2009 is only expected sometime in early 2010. So, it is too early to pass > > final judgement on the outturn for the second half of this year. That > said, > > it is clear 2009 in total will be a year of recession. The question is > only > > how much did output contract compared to 2008. Most estimates are now > around > > -2 per cent. The outlook for the future, at any given time, however, is > what > > the question concerns. In September,

the outlook for the economy seems to > > have improved as predicted - even if there is also some hype in the media > > and the government statistics is focused on the improvement and not the > > year-over-year comparison. > > > > The sharp increase in the stock market (since Spring 2009) is usually > taken > > as a sign of increased investor optimism for the future of the economy. > In > > this regard, we can note that the average value of the Dow Jones > Industrial > > Index, a leading barometer of investor expectations, was 7,446 points on > > average in February and March 2009. This is a very low value compared to > the > > highs of 2007, when the Dow Jones was in the 12,000-14,000 range. In > > September and October 2009 it

averaged 9,749 points, which is a rise > > of 31%. This is usually considered to reflect the outlook for corporate > > earnings and hence the state of the economy. A rise by one-third within a > > year is usually considered a major improvement in the outlook for the > > economy. There is no doubt about it. Of course, sometimes the investors > > misjudge things and events turn out differently, but that is a different > > story. We can also add that the level of share prices is still well below > > the > > 2007 highs. Moreover, some of the increase in share prices is linked to > the > > massive infusion of money into the financial system by the government > since > > 2008. Now there are concerns this impact will not be durable and as a > result >

> the outlook for the economy has been judged to be more uncertain. Even > the > > Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geitner, has recently cautioned > > that economic growth will be sluggish going forward. This is consistent > with > > the 'trend' expectation of sluggish growth during the Saturn period > > (February 2009-April 2012) based on the SAMVA USA chart. Of course, > > transits, when strongly connecting in the chart will take precedence over > > the trend influences. In this regard, it has recently been discussed on > > SAMVA list that the transit influences in the summer of 2010 will be > highly > > adverse, with implications for the US financial system and economy - and > > this usually has implications for the financial systems and economies of >

> other countries around the globe. > > > > The number of bank failiures in the USA increased in the months of > > September and October 2009. The amounts in the 10 months so far of this > year > > are far higher than the amounts in the closing months of 2008 even if > most > > of the banks involved appear to be quite small. More importantly, this is > > generally seen to be a residual from last years crisis and the stock > market > > has taken these developments in stride, even improved. However, the fall > of > > CTI Group at the very end of October, came as something of a surprise > even > > if it had been in difficulty for a long time and its failiure had > > been openly discussed in the media from July through October of

this > year. > > Even then, the magnitude of the failiure of CTI Group is only a small > > fraction of the cost of the banking collapses in September 2008. The cost > of > > Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual was easily 15 times greater. If we > add > > to that the outlays involved in the rescue of other financial > > institutions like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Merril Lynch and AIG in > > September 2008, it quickly becomes clear that the events of October 2009, > > even if adverse, are nowhere near as serious of those over one year > earlier. > > In any event, the stock market also declined towards the end of October > > 2009, while it remained close to the average value citied above. > > > > In short, predictions for 2009

including > > - improvement in the financial markets from the commencement of the > Saturn > > period in February 2009 > > - for the outlook for the economy to improve from August 2009 > > have stood up quite well. > > > > The prediction for > > - economic growth to be sluggish in the Saturn period > > has so far been consistent with the data and statements of many notable > > economists. > > > > Thor > > > > ________________________________ > > <vkchoudhry <vkchoudhry%40gmail.com><vkchoudhry% > 40gmail.com>> > > SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40> > <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40> > > > Wed, November 4, 2009 2:45:27 AM > > > > Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit > > influences in 2010. > > > > Hello Jason, > > > > I add my replies to your Qs in your appended msg. > > > > > > > > - > > jasonsmith108 > > SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40> > <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40> > > Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:36 AM > > [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit > influences > > in 2010. > > > > > > > > Dear , > > > > I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and > > Thor's list for quite a while, although silent. > > OK. > > Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity. > > WELCOME. > > I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect

in > > the least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way. > > WELCOME. > > 1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but > > sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the > real > > numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement > > despite desperate media hype at times. > > > > DOW JONES INDEX SHOWS THINGS MOVING. IN MID MARCH INDEX WAS ABOUT 7880 > > AND NOW IT IS 9772. > > > > In fact, there has been slight worsening. However, the fall hasn't > > continued as drastically. > > > > VOLATILITY IS THERE BY IT IS NOT DOWNWARD. > > > > Do you still believe that things will improve into the end of

the Saturn > > subperiod (March 2012) or have you changed your view through deeper > > analysis? > > YES AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY VIEWS. > > 2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets > > will have a setback. > > > > I GAVE THIS PREDICTION ON 11TH OCTOBER, 2009. > > > > By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the start to > > the end of October, there was no serious setback. > > > > OK. WE CAN SAY SO. BUT FROM 11TH OCT TO END OF OCT THERE HAS BEEN THERE > > HAS BEEN STRONG DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF DJ INDEX ON 21ST, 23RD, 26TH, 28TH > AND > > 30 OCTOBER. THE PLANETARY INFLUENCES RESULTED IN WILDER VOLATILITY TO > IMPACT > > THE

SENTIMENT. > > > > For the most part: a) everything was within the range on the monthly > > charts, b) there were new highs in the October on many indices, c) most > > markets closed the month higher than the month's open value. There was > > nothing out of the ordinary for most of the month and the very last week > saw > > the pullback. I have seen on Thor's list some members giving praise to > this > > prediction, but it's not reflected in the numbers in the financial > markets, > > for which the prediction was meant. > > > > THE PRAISING MEMBERS MAY BE REFERRING TO INDIAN MARKETS WHERE THE > SETBACK > > WAS QUITE HARSH. > > > > I would like your input here - what metric are you using to

measure > > financial markets? In my humble view, it's not just enough to give a > > prediction, but a metric must be used to compare the results before and > > after. > > I ONLY USE DJ INDEX AND SENSEX (INDIAN INDEX) TO MEASURE THE RESULTS > WITH > > REFERENCE TO THE PREDICTION. > > 3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To > > clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further > setbacks > > and not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings > sluggish > > improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are > > saying, then it's somewhat contrary - "It will improve, and there will be > > setbacks." Perhaps you can clarify the outlook? > >

SLUGGISH IMPROVEMENT IS SEEN BUT THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND VOLATILITY. > > Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a > > student of SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. > I > > am simply looking for clarification. > > WE SHOULD EXAMINE THINGS CRITICALLY. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YOU ARE > > WELCOME. > > Jason Smith > > > > SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40> > <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40>, > > > "" <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > > > >

Hello dear list members, > > > > > > The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn > in > > USA SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find > > persistent more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but > > planetary indications are such. This will impact other countries of the > > world, as well. Health, financial instability and professional > instability > > will be the main concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting > > obstructions will add salt to the injury. > > > > > > > > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com > > > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India). > > > Mobile phone: 91 9811016333 > >

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