A new chart for China

January 15, 2010

Dear Thor and forum members,

This is my first posting on this forum for a few years now although I have been

lurking and continue to read postings on SAMVA when I can.

Over the past 6 months or so, I have been interested in and began investigating

the chart of China. It is my belief that China of today is a very different

China than we knew back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, when it was then under the

leadership of Chairman Mao Zedong. In other words, China is presenting a

different " face " to the world over the last few decades than it once did.

As we have all seen, China has become the leading manufacturer of goods over the

last 20 years and consequently its economy, income and wealth has increased

dramatically in a relatively short time, with high economic growth rates each

year. Since September 2008, these growth rates have slowed, due to the global

financial crisis, but now seem to be picking up again.

China's current economic prosperity can be traced to Deng Xiaoping. It was under

his leadership that four of China's major policies from the Mao era were

changed, virtually reversing Mao's communist ideology. The catch-cry for this

major shift has been from Mao's " putting politics in command " to Deng's " putting

economics in command " .

These major policy changes are known as the " Four Modernizations " and their

focus has been on the following areas of the economy: i) Agriculture, ii)

Industry, iii) Science and Technology and, iv)Defense. These four changes have

lead China to its current world standing with China now known as the world's

" manufacturer of everything " .

It seems to me that because China has now become an economic powerhouse, due to

these four policy reversals, I am of the opinion that China is operating under

a different chart, and that is why I used the term " face " earlier. Though the

political structure has not essentially changed, the government's central

policies have changed leading to China's current prosperity. That is why I now

feel there is a new chart for China.

Deng Xiaoping came to power at the Third Plenum of the 11th National Party

Congress 22 December 1978, and it was also on this day that Deng announced the

official launch of the Four Modernizations. I cannot find any record of the time

of day of the announcement of the Four Modernization policies but I have made an

assumption that it occurred somewhere between 10.00 am and 4.00 pm, giving the

following potential ascendant signs: Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Aries and

Taurus.

Before I examined and assessed each of these ascendant signs, I first determined

what factors would have contributed to China's fairly rapid rise in the world

economy. I deduced that both Mars and Jupiter should be strong and well-placed.

Mars for the speedy (relatively speaking) execution of plans and Jupiter for the

expansion and growth of their economy and infrastructure. After considering each

possible ascendant for these factors and checking against a number of events for

China I have on file since 1978 (though not as many as I would like), I decided

on the Pisces ascendant, which is ruled by Jupiter though not its MT sign.

Further, I settled (at least for now) on the ascending degree of 14.5* Pisces,

which corresponds to the time of 12.32 pm in Beijing.

One of the events I checked is the Tiananmen Square event. This event took place

on 4 June 198 and the military began their operations at 4.00 am, finally

clearing the square at 5.40 am. I used the 4.00 am time as the starting point

where the ascendant was 14*Ar34'. There are a number of factors using this event

chart against the 12.32 pm China chart that pointed to the nature of the event

where many died after the military operation.

Here are the details of my new chart for China:

China (Deng)

22 Dec 1978, 12.32 pm, Beijing

39N55, 116E25, TZ=8 hours, DST=None

Asc. = 14Pi37

The main points in this chart are:

* FMs are: Sun, Venus and Saturn (also Rahu/Ketu) with Venus the MMP and Mars

the MBP.

* The Sun is lord of the 6th and located in the 10th and is strong. The Sun is

not causing any affliction so it promotes the more positive outcomes of the 6th

house – sound financial position, victory over competitors/enemies.

* The Moon, as 5th lord, is weak due to its infancy thus affecting the strength

of Jupiter in the 5th house. The Moon is also afflicted by Rahu from the 6th

house.

* Jupiter, Mercury and Mars are all conjunct the MEP of their house as well as

their relevant aspects to other MEPs.

* Jupiter, as 10th lord, is exalted in the 5th house and is also aspected by 2nd

lord Mars. Jupiter, in turn, aspects the 7th lord Mercury as well as the 5th,

11th, 1st (its own sign) and 9th MEPs.

* Mars, lord of the 2nd in the 10th house, is strong and also supports Jupiter

(Mars' dispositor) by an aspect to Jupiter in the 5th house.

* Saturn, 12th lord in the 6th house, afflicts MMP Venus located in the 8th

house. Saturn is also exalted in the navamsa chart. Ketu also afflicts Venus

from the 12th house. Venus is in its own sign.

Some Analysis Notes

-------------------

Amongst other things, the 8th house represents multinational companies. I see

that the afflictions to Venus, though it is in its own sign, could mean that

China and its government might experience difficulties with multinational

companies. Financial relations with other countries are also likely to be an

issue too.

Financial matters seems to be reasonably strong in this chart, i.e. Sun, lord of

6th in 10th and Lord of 2nd (Mars) in the 10th also aspecting its dispositor

(Jupiter). Jupiter, 10th lord, is also aspecting the 11th MEP of income. The

currency indicators - strength of Sun, 2nd lord/house and 11th lord/house – also

seem to be in good shape though the secondary indicator, Moon, is weak and

afflicted.

Saturn indicates " heavy " industry (low tech. industries) and is placed in the

6th house where the dispositor, Sun, is strong and well placed, This combination

suggests to me that the manufacturing industries will beat its competitors in

this sector, which China has done. To me the 6th house also indicates pollution,

things that affect the health of the people. Since Saturn is also afflicting 8th

lord Venus in the 8th house then both long-term health issues for its people as

well as international concerns of pollution from China can also be seen.

There are many other things in this chart but I think I have given a summary of

how this chart seems to provide the picture of China as we see it now, at least

that is how I see it.

Test of Ascendant

-----------------

In this chart, Venus is the MMP and so moves fairly quickly. I will be watching

for events when Venus gets to 14.5* of a sign in the coming months.

As a matter of interest, there are a few important " hits " coming up in 2010,

specifically, between mid September and mid November. For example, on 22

September 2010, transit Mars (2nd lord) approaches the 8th house MEP while Venus

(MMP) is on the 8th house MEP at 14*45' thus afflicting the 8th house MEP as

well as the 2nd house MEP and Mars too. Rahu is at 14*26' Sagittarius (10th

house) and so Rahu and Ketu between them are afflicting the even numbered house

MEPs (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th and 12th houses). Saturn (12th lord) is also at

12*38' Virgo afflicting the 7th, 1st, 9th and 4th house MEPs. On the 2 October,

while Venus is still afflicting Mars and the 8th and 2nd MEPs, the Sun (6th

lord) joins Saturn (12th lord) at 14*51' Virgo thus a double affliction to the

7th and 1st house MEPs. Saturn, Rahu and Ketu are still continuing to afflict

the house MEPs mentioned earlier. If the 14.5* ascendant is the correct one, we

should definitely some major issues becoming public in that period as most house

MEPs are afflicted at that time.

Having now presented my case for a new chart for China and included thoughts

behind the chart that I have presented, I will now leave it open for discussion

and comment.

Regards,

Neville Lang

Gold Coast,

Australia

15 January 2010

January 16, 2010

Dear Neville,

Very nice to see your post.

Surely, there are many points, both historical and astrological, which make sense. However, for the chart to be truly authentic, the match must be perfect. I hope you take my reaction in the spirit of collegiate feedback for the sake of truth. Specifically, I would like to make two points, one on historical interpretation and the second on the astrology of the proposed chart.

First, the history: Deng was a long standing member of the Communist Party, from before the founding of the Chinese Soviet Republic in 1931.[1] He then wrested power as head of the party, but was never its head of state. His influence came from within the party, where he served as Paramount Leader.[2] Given these facts, it is reasonable to ask, was truly a new nation born when he continued with the same regalia (uniform) and party structures as Mao, with the only changes, important as they were, to increase economic liberties while changing from the active authoritarian control of people's lives to a more systematic effort at stopping the spread of "subversive" ideas.

[1] Deng Xiaoping - a long standing member of the party

In the summer of 1919, Deng Xiaoping graduated from the Chongqing Preparatory School. He and 80 schoolmates, participating in a work-study program for Chinese students, were to board a ship for France (traveling steerage). Deng, the youngest of all the Chinese students, had just turned 15. The night before his departure, Deng's father took his son aside and asked him what he hoped to learn in France. He repeated the words he had learned from his teachers: "To learn knowledge and truth from the West in order to save China." Deng Xiaoping had been taught that China was weak and poor, and that the Chinese people must have a modern, Western education to save their country. In October, they arrived in Marseille. He briefly attended middle schools in Bayeux and ChÃ¢tillon,

but he spent most of his time in France working; first at the Le Creusot Iron and Steel plant in central France, then later as a fitter in the Renault factory in the Paris suburb of Billancourt, as a fireman on a locomotive and as a kitchen helper in restaurants. He barely earned enough to survive. Many of these jobs had brutal working conditions, with workers frequently being injured. Deng would later claim that it was here where he got an initial feel for the evils of the capitalist society. In France, under the influence of his seniors (Zhao Shiyan, Zhou Enlai among others), Deng began to study Marxism and did political propaganda work. In 1921 he joined

the Chinese Communist Youth League in Europe. In the second half of 1923 he joined the Chinese Communist Party and became one of the leading members of the General Branch of the Youth League in Europe. During 1926 Deng studied at Moscow in the then-USSR. He returned to China in early 1926. In 1928 Deng led the Baise Uprising in Guangxi province against the Kuomintang (KMT) government. The uprising soon failed and Deng went to the Central Soviet Area in Jiangxi province. He was a veteran of the Long March, during which Deng served as General Secretary of the Secretariat of the Communist Party. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

[2] China after Mao - Deng's influence within the party

"After Mao's death in 1976 and the arrest of the Gang of Four, blamed for the excesses of the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping quickly wrested power from Mao's anointed successor Hua Guofeng. Although he never became the head of the Party or State himself, Deng was in fact the Paramount Leader of China at that time, his influence within the Party led the country to economic reforms of significant magnitude. The Communist Party subsequently loosened governmental control over citizens' personal lives and the communes were disbanded with many peasants receiving multiple land leases, which greatly increased incentives and agricultural production. This turn of events marked China's transition from a planned economy to a mixed economy with an

increasingly open market environment, a system termed by some "market socialism". The PRC adopted its current constitution on 4 December 1982."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China

Second, the astrology: There have been many large earthquakes in Chinese history, even in modern times. In this chart, there is no MT sign in 4th house. While Saturn, as general indicator of the earth, is badly placed in the 6th house, it or its 12th house are not afflicted. While aspecting 8th lord Venus, the influence is minimal given the strength of Venus in its own house. The same goes for the aspect of Ketu. For instance, I find no relevant transits for the Sichuan earthquake on May 12, 2008.

Despite the economic reforms, the suppression of political discourse and communication of ideas hostile to the Communist regime in China is a fact. There is no MT lord in the 3rd house. There is no affliction to this house. Moreover, the influence of 7th lord Mercury on the 3rd house, is not consistent with such problems involving the 3rd house as we see in China.

Presently, the Rahu - Mercury period is operating in this chart, with a transit station of Rahu and Ketu closely afflicting the natal nodes in the 6th and 12th houses from the 10th and 4th houses. This would be expected to bring major problems, more so as the Rahu major period in operation.

I have been following another chart, and would be interested in your critical reaction of it. "This event is the founding by Mao Zedong and his cadre in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) of the Chinese Soviet Republic (CSR) in Ruijin, Jiangxi province, on November 7, 1931. "

http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/10/birth-of-modern-china.html

Let me just note that I am still monitoring the rising degree of the proposed chart. Initially, I was looking at 23Â° but have moved that back a bit, and am studying 26Â°. In particular, I am waiting to see the result of the present transit station in the chart.

In this chart, the Chinese Socialist Republic chart moved from the period of a 12th lord Jupiter to the period of a 2nd lord Saturn in November 1980. This would explain some improvement in terms of the functional nature of the planets involved, especially considering the affliction of natal Jupiter to the MEP of the 7th, 11th, 1st and 3rd houses. It would be consistent with the ending of the deprivation of freedoms in China at the time of Deng's leadership. Please note the new Constitution arrived in 1982! At the same time, as Saturn is badly placed in the 12th house, the conditions facing the Chinese were still those of poverty. Indeed the country still has a very low per capita income, even if its huge size means its government coffers have swollen, notably since the 2000s. The current period of the 9th lord Mercury in the 11th house of income, began in November 1999. It is consistent with China having a stroke of fortune with regard to

its incomes, more so as Mercury is conjunct Venus as 10th lord of the executive government in the 11th house of income. The Ketu period from 2016 would bring sudden problems for foreign policy, as Ketu is natall conjunct 7th lord Moon in the 9th house. This is the time frame when the Sun period begins in the SAMVA USA chart, consistent with its renewed international prominence.

That said, ultimately it is the accurate predictions that determine the authenticity of a chart.

All the best,

Thor

njlastro <nevillelangSAMVA Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 1:39:46 AM A new chart for ChinaDear Thor and forum members,This is my first posting on this forum for a few years now although I have been lurking and continue to read postings on SAMVA when I can.Over the past 6 months or so, I have been interested in and began investigating the chart of China. It is my belief that China of today is a very different China than we knew back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, when it was then under the leadership of Chairman Mao Zedong. In other words, China is presenting a different "face" to the world over the last few decades than it once did.As we have all seen, China has

become the leading manufacturer of goods over the last 20 years and consequently its economy, income and wealth has increased dramatically in a relatively short time, with high economic growth rates each year. Since September 2008, these growth rates have slowed, due to the global financial crisis, but now seem to be picking up again.China's current economic prosperity can be traced to Deng Xiaoping. It was under his leadership that four of China's major policies from the Mao era were changed, virtually reversing Mao's communist ideology. The catch-cry for this major shift has been from Mao's "putting politics in command" to Deng's "putting economics in command". These major policy changes are known as the "Four Modernizations" and their focus has been on the following areas of the economy: i) Agriculture, ii) Industry, iii) Science and Technology and, iv)Defense. These four changes have lead China to its current world standing with

China now known as the world's "manufacturer of everything".It seems to me that because China has now become an economic powerhouse, due to these four policy reversals, I am of the opinion that China is operating under a different chart, and that is why I used the term "face" earlier. Though the political structure has not essentially changed, the government's central policies have changed leading to China's current prosperity. That is why I now feel there is a new chart for China.Deng Xiaoping came to power at the Third Plenum of the 11th National Party Congress 22 December 1978, and it was also on this day that Deng announced the official launch of the Four Modernizations. I cannot find any record of the time of day of the announcement of the Four Modernization policies but I have made an assumption that it occurred somewhere between 10.00 am and 4.00 pm, giving the following potential ascendant signs: Capricorn, Aquarius,

Pisces, Aries and Taurus.Before I examined and assessed each of these ascendant signs, I first determined what factors would have contributed to China's fairly rapid rise in the world economy. I deduced that both Mars and Jupiter should be strong and well-placed. Mars for the speedy (relatively speaking) execution of plans and Jupiter for the expansion and growth of their economy and infrastructure. After considering each possible ascendant for these factors and checking against a number of events for China I have on file since 1978 (though not as many as I would like), I decided on the Pisces ascendant, which is ruled by Jupiter though not its MT sign. Further, I settled (at least for now) on the ascending degree of 14.5* Pisces, which corresponds to the time of 12.32 pm in Beijing. One of the events I checked is the Tiananmen Square event. This event took place on 4 June 198 and the military began their operations at 4.00 am, finally

clearing the square at 5.40 am. I used the 4.00 am time as the starting point where the ascendant was 14*Ar34'. There are a number of factors using this event chart against the 12.32 pm China chart that pointed to the nature of the event where many died after the military operation.Here are the details of my new chart for China: China (Deng) 22 Dec 1978, 12.32 pm, Beijing 39N55, 116E25, TZ=8 hours, DST=None Asc. = 14Pi37The main points in this chart are:* FMs are: Sun, Venus and Saturn (also Rahu/Ketu) with Venus the MMP and Mars the MBP.* The Sun is lord of the 6th and located in the 10th and is strong. The Sun is not causing any affliction so it promotes the more positive outcomes of the 6th house â€“ sound financial position, victory over competitors/enemies.* The Moon, as 5th lord, is weak due to its infancy thus affecting the strength of Jupiter in the

5th house. The Moon is also afflicted by Rahu from the 6th house.* Jupiter, Mercury and Mars are all conjunct the MEP of their house as well as their relevant aspects to other MEPs.* Jupiter, as 10th lord, is exalted in the 5th house and is also aspected by 2nd lord Mars. Jupiter, in turn, aspects the 7th lord Mercury as well as the 5th, 11th, 1st (its own sign) and 9th MEPs.* Mars, lord of the 2nd in the 10th house, is strong and also supports Jupiter (Mars' dispositor) by an aspect to Jupiter in the 5th house.* Saturn, 12th lord in the 6th house, afflicts MMP Venus located in the 8th house. Saturn is also exalted in the navamsa chart. Ketu also afflicts Venus from the 12th house. Venus is in its own sign.Some Analysis Notes-------------------Amongst other things, the 8th house represents multinational companies. I see that the afflictions to Venus, though it is in its own sign, could mean that China and its government

might experience difficulties with multinational companies. Financial relations with other countries are also likely to be an issue too.Financial matters seems to be reasonably strong in this chart, i.e. Sun, lord of 6th in 10th and Lord of 2nd (Mars) in the 10th also aspecting its dispositor (Jupiter). Jupiter, 10th lord, is also aspecting the 11th MEP of income. The currency indicators - strength of Sun, 2nd lord/house and 11th lord/house â€“ also seem to be in good shape though the secondary indicator, Moon, is weak and afflicted.Saturn indicates "heavy" industry (low tech. industries) and is placed in the 6th house where the dispositor, Sun, is strong and well placed, This combination suggests to me that the manufacturing industries will beat its competitors in this sector, which China has done. To me the 6th house also indicates pollution, things that affect the health of the people. Since Saturn is also afflicting 8th lord Venus in

the 8th house then both long-term health issues for its people as well as international concerns of pollution from China can also be seen.There are many other things in this chart but I think I have given a summary of how this chart seems to provide the picture of China as we see it now, at least that is how I see it.Test of Ascendant-----------------In this chart, Venus is the MMP and so moves fairly quickly. I will be watching for events when Venus gets to 14.5* of a sign in the coming months. As a matter of interest, there are a few important "hits" coming up in 2010, specifically, between mid September and mid November. For example, on 22 September 2010, transit Mars (2nd lord) approaches the 8th house MEP while Venus (MMP) is on the 8th house MEP at 14*45' thus afflicting the 8th house MEP as well as the 2nd house MEP and Mars too. Rahu is at 14*26' Sagittarius (10th house) and so Rahu and Ketu between them are

afflicting the even numbered house MEPs (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 10th and 12th houses). Saturn (12th lord) is also at 12*38' Virgo afflicting the 7th, 1st, 9th and 4th house MEPs. On the 2 October, while Venus is still afflicting Mars and the 8th and 2nd MEPs, the Sun (6th lord) joins Saturn (12th lord) at 14*51' Virgo thus a double affliction to the 7th and 1st house MEPs. Saturn, Rahu and Ketu are still continuing to afflict the house MEPs mentioned earlier. If the 14.5* ascendant is the correct one, we should definitely some major issues becoming public in that period as most house MEPs are afflicted at that time.Having now presented my case for a new chart for China and included thoughts behind the chart that I have presented, I will now leave it open for discussion and comment. Regards,Neville LangGold Coast,Australia15 January 2010---

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January 19, 2010

Dear Thor,

I have been away for a few days and have just returned. I will respond to your

post as soon as put one together. I did not want you to think that I was

ignoring your post.

Regards,

Neville

SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Dear Neville,

>

> Very nice to see your post.

>

> Surely, there are many points,Â both historical and astrological, which make

sense. However, for the chart to be truly authentic, the matchÂ must be perfect.

I hope you take my reaction in the spirit of collegiate feedback for the sake of

truth. Specifically, I would like to make two points, one on historical

interpretation and the second on the astrology of the proposed chart.

>

> First, the history: Deng was a long standing member of the Communist Party,

from beforeÂ the founding of the Chinese Soviet Republic in 1931.[1] He then

wrested power as head of the party, but was never its head of state. His

influence came from within the party, where he served as Paramount Leader.[2]

Given these facts, it is reasonable to ask, was truly a new nationÂ born when he

continued with the same regalia (uniform) and party structures as Mao, with the

only changes, important as they were, to increase economic liberties while

changing fromÂ the active authoritarian control of people's lives to a more

systematic effort at stopping the spread of " subversive " ideas.

>

> [1]Deng Xiaoping - a long standing member of the party

> In the summer of 1919, Deng Xiaoping graduated from the Chongqing Preparatory

School. He and 80 schoolmates, participating in a work-study program for Chinese

students, were to board a ship for France (traveling steerage). Deng, the

youngest of all the Chinese students, had just turned 15.The night before his

departure, Deng's father took his son aside and asked him what he hoped to learn

in France. He repeated the words he had learned from his teachers: " To learn

knowledge and truth from the West in order to save China. " Deng Xiaoping had

been taught that China was weak and poor, and that the Chinese people must have

a modern, Western education to save their country. In October, they arrived in

Marseille. He briefly attended middle schools in Bayeux and ChÃ¢tillon, but he

spent most of his time in France working; first at the Le Creusot Iron and Steel

plant in central France, then later as a fitter in the Renault factory in the

Paris suburb of

> Billancourt, as a fireman on a locomotive and as a kitchen helper in

restaurants. He barely earned enough to survive. Many of these jobs had brutal

working conditions, with workers frequently being injured. Deng would later

claim that it was here where he got an initial feel for the evils of the

capitalist society. In France, under the influence of his seniors (Zhao Shiyan,

Zhou Enlai among others), Deng began to study Marxism and did political

propaganda work. In 1921 he joined the Chinese Communist Youth League in Europe.

In the second half of 1923 he joined the Chinese Communist Party and became one

of the leading members of the General Branch of the Youth League in Europe.

During 1926 Deng studied at Moscow in the then-USSR. He returned to China in

early 1926. In 1928 Deng led the Baise Uprising in Guangxi province against the

Kuomintang (KMT) government. The uprising soon failed and Deng went to the

Central Soviet Area in Jiangxi province. He was a

> veteran of the Long March, during which Deng served as General Secretary of

the Secretariat of the Communist Party.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

> Â

> [2] China afterÂ Mao - Deng's influence within the party

> " After Mao's death in 1976 and the arrest of the Gang of Four, blamed for the

excesses of the Cultural Revolution, Deng Xiaoping quickly wrested power from

Mao's anointed successor Hua Guofeng. Although he never became the head of the

Party or State himself, Deng was in fact the Paramount Leader of China at that

time, his influence within the Party led the country to economic reforms of

significant magnitude. The Communist Party subsequently loosened governmental

control over citizens' personal lives and the communes were disbanded with many

peasants receiving multiple land leases, which greatly increased incentives and

agricultural production. This turn of events marked China's transition from a

planned economy to a mixed economy with an increasingly open market environment,

a system termed by some " market socialism " . The PRC adopted its current

constitution on 4 December 1982. "

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China

>

> Second,Â the astrology: There have been many large earthquakes in Chinese

history, even in modern times. In this chart, there is no MT sign in 4th house.

While Saturn, as general indicator of the earth,Â is badly placed in the 6th

house,Â it or its 12th house are not afflicted. While aspecting 8th lord Venus,

the influence is minimalÂ given the strength of Venus in its own house. The same

goes for the aspect of Ketu. For instance, I find no relevant transits for the

Sichuan earthquake on May 12, 2008.

>

> Despite the economic reforms, the suppression of political discourse and

communication of ideas hostile to the CommunistÂ regimeÂ in China is a fact.

There is no MT lord in the 3rd house. There is no affliction to this house.

Moreover, the influence of 7th lord Mercury on the 3rd house, is not consistent

with suchÂ problems involving the 3rd house as we see in China.

>

> Presently, the Rahu - Mercury period is operating in this chart, with a

transit station of Rahu and KetuÂ closelyÂ afflicting the natal nodes in the 6th

and 12th houses from the 10th and 4th houses. This would be expected toÂ bring

major problems, more so asÂ theÂ Rahu major period in operation.

>

> I have been following another chart, and would be interested in your critical

reaction of it. " This event is the founding by Mao Zedong and his cadre in the

Chinese Communist Party (CCP) of the Chinese Soviet Republic (CSR) in Ruijin,

Jiangxi province, on November 7, 1931. "

> http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/10/birth-of-modern-china.html

>

> Let me just note that I am still monitoring the rising degree of the proposed

chart. Initially, I was looking at 23Â° but have moved that back a bit, and am

studying 26Â°. In particular, I am waiting to see the result of the present

transit station in the chart.

>

> In this chart, the Chinese Socialist Republic chart moved from the period of a

12th lord Jupiter to the period of a 2nd lord Saturn in November 1980. This

would explain some improvement in terms of the functional nature of the planets

involved, especially considering the affliction of natal Jupiter to the MEP of

the 7th, 11th, 1st and 3rd houses. It would be consistent with the ending of the

deprivation of freedoms in China at the time of Deng's leadership. Please note

the new Constitution arrived in 1982! At the same time, as Saturn is badly

placed in the 12th house, the conditions facing the Chinese were still those of

poverty. Indeed the country still has a very low per capita income, even if its

huge size means its government coffers have swollen, notablyÂ since the 2000s.

The current period of the 9th lord Mercury in the 11th house of income, began in

November 1999. ItÂ is consistent with China having a stroke of fortune with

regard to its incomes,

> more so as Mercury is conjunct Venus as 10th lord of the executive government

in the 11th house of income. The Ketu period from 2016 would bring sudden

problems for foreign policy, as Ketu is natall conjunct 7th lord Moon in the 9th

house. This is the time frame when the Sun period begins in the SAMVA USA chart,

consistent with its renewed international prominence.

>

> That said, ultimately it is the accurate predictions that determine the

authenticity of a chart.

>

> All the best,

>

> Thor

>

> ________________________________

> njlastro <nevillelang

> SAMVA

> Fri, January 15, 2010 1:39:46 AM

> A new chart for China

>

> Dear Thor and forum members,

>

> This is my first posting on this forum for a few years now although I have

been lurking and continue to read postings on SAMVA when I can.

>

> Over the past 6 months or so, I have been interested in and began

investigating the chart of China. It is my belief that China of today is a very

different China than we knew back in the 50s, 60s and 70s, when it was then

under the leadership of Chairman Mao Zedong. In other words, China is presenting

a different " face " to the world over the last few decades than it once did.

>

> As we have all seen, China has become the leading manufacturer of goods over

the last 20 years and consequently its economy, income and wealth has increased

dramatically in a relatively short time, with high economic growth rates each

year. Since September 2008, these growth rates have slowed, due to the global

financial crisis, but now seem to be picking up again.

>

> China's current economic prosperity can be traced to Deng Xiaoping. It was

under his leadership that four of China's major policies from the Mao era were

changed, virtually reversing Mao's communist ideology. The catch-cry for this

major shift has been from Mao's " putting politics in command " to Deng's " putting

economics in command " .

>

> These major policy changes are known as the " Four Modernizations " and their

focus has been on the following areas of the economy: i) Agriculture, ii)

Industry, iii) Science and Technology and, iv)Defense. These four changes have

lead China to its current world standing with China now known as the world's

" manufacturer of everything " .

>

> It seems to me that because China has now become an economic powerhouse, due

to these four policy reversals, I am of the opinion that China isÂ operating

under a different chart, and that is why I used the term " face " earlier. Though

the political structure has not essentially changed, the government's central

policies have changed leading to China's current prosperity. That is why I now

feel there is a new chart for China.

>

> Deng Xiaoping came to power at the Third Plenum of the 11th National Party

Congress 22 December 1978, and it was also on this day that Deng announced the

official launch of the Four Modernizations. I cannot find any record of the time

of day of the announcement of the Four Modernization policies but I have made an

assumption that it occurred somewhere between 10.00 am and 4.00 pm, giving the

following potential ascendant signs: Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Aries and

Taurus.

>

> Before I examined and assessed each of these ascendant signs, I first

determined what factors would have contributed to China's fairly rapid rise in

the world economy. I deduced that both Mars and Jupiter should be strong and

well-placed. Mars for the speedy (relatively speaking) execution of plans and

Jupiter for the expansion and growth of their economy and infrastructure. After

considering each possible ascendant for these factors and checking against a

number of events for China I have on file since 1978 (though not as many as I

would like), I decided on the Pisces ascendant, which is ruled by Jupiter though

not its MT sign. Further, I settled (at least for now) on the ascending degree

of 14.5* Pisces, which corresponds to the time of 12.32 pm in Beijing.

>

> One of the events I checked is the Tiananmen Square event. This event took

place on 4 June 198 and the military began their operations at 4.00 am, finally

clearing the square at 5.40 am. I used the 4.00 am time as the starting point

where the ascendant was 14*Ar34'. There are a number of factors using this event

chart against the 12.32 pm China chart that pointed to the nature of the event

where many died after the military operation.

>

> Here are the details of my new chart for China:

> Â Â China (Deng)

> Â Â 22 Dec 1978, 12.32 pm, Beijing

> Â Â 39N55, 116E25, TZ=8 hours, DST=None

> Â Â Asc. = 14Pi37

>

> The main points in this chart are:

> * FMs are: Sun, Venus and Saturn (also Rahu/Ketu) with Venus the MMP and Mars

the MBP.

> * The Sun is lord of the 6th and located in the 10th and is strong. The Sun is

not causing any affliction so it promotes the more positive outcomes of the 6th

house â€ " sound financial position, victory over competitors/enemies.

> * The Moon, as 5th lord, is weak due to its infancy thus affecting the

strength of Jupiter in the 5th house. The Moon is also afflicted by Rahu from

the 6th house.

> * Jupiter, Mercury and Mars are all conjunct the MEP of their house as well as

their relevant aspects to other MEPs.

> * Jupiter, as 10th lord, is exalted in the 5th house and is also aspected by

2nd lord Mars. Jupiter, in turn, aspects the 7th lord Mercury as well as the

5th, 11th, 1st (its own sign) and 9th MEPs.

> * Mars, lord of the 2nd in the 10th house, is strong and also supports Jupiter

(Mars' dispositor) by an aspect to Jupiter in the 5th house.

> * Saturn, 12th lord in the 6th house, afflicts MMP Venus located in the 8th

house. Saturn is also exalted in the navamsa chart. Ketu also afflicts Venus

from the 12th house. Venus is in its own sign.

>

> Some Analysis Notes

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> Amongst other things, the 8th house represents multinational companies. I see

that the afflictions to Venus, though it is in its own sign, could mean that

China and its government might experience difficulties with multinational

companies. Financial relations with other countries are also likely to be an

issue too.

>

> Financial matters seems to be reasonably strong in this chart, i.e. Sun, lord

of 6th in 10th and Lord of 2nd (Mars) in the 10th also aspecting its dispositor

(Jupiter). Jupiter, 10th lord, is also aspecting the 11th MEP of income. The

currency indicators - strength of Sun, 2nd lord/house and 11th lord/house â€ "

also seem to be in good shape though the secondary indicator, Moon, is weak and

afflicted.

>

> Saturn indicates " heavy " industry (low tech. industries) and is placed in the

6th house where the dispositor, Sun, is strong and well placed, This combination

suggests to me that the manufacturing industries will beat its competitors in

this sector, which China has done. To me the 6th house also indicates pollution,

things that affect the health of the people. Since Saturn is also afflicting 8th

lord Venus in the 8th house then both long-term health issues for its people as

well as international concerns of pollution from China can also be seen.

>

> There are many other things in this chart but I think I have given a summary

of how this chart seems to provide the picture of China as we see it now, at

least that is how I see it.

>

> Test of Ascendant

> -----------------

> In this chart, Venus is the MMP and so moves fairly quickly. I will be

watching for events when Venus gets to 14.5* of a sign in the coming months.

>

> As a matter of interest, there are a few important " hits " coming up in 2010,