Guest guest Posted January 25, 2010 Report Share Posted January 25, 2010 Hello Thor: Thanks for this. And thanks to you and The Professor for this list and SAMVA. SA has helped to give birth to some amazing astrologers. In my (usually) quiet lurking mode, I am blessed with an opportunity to learn, here. You are correct in your assumption that I am looking at the charting for the coming Full Moon. Not only is the Moon being Super, but Mars is in its closest approach to Earth (making Mars a much badder Bad Boy), Moon is rather close to the Celestial Equator - adding even more voltage, and Sun being conjunct Venus gives us a Mars/Venus opposition (again, with Mars having more of an 'attitude'). There are also some important realities involving the outer planets that come into play here. Warmly, John ========================================================================= Cosmologer wrote: Correction: My prediction for the UK chart relates more to the influence of the stationary nodes on the natal Moon at 28° Gemini, as well as the transit SUN - transit Mars opposition involving the transit Moon at the time of the full Moon. Cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA Mon, January 25, 2010 6:04:36 AM Re: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello John, Good to have your prediction, which I believe you are basing on the Super Moon phenomenon. The focus on SAMVA list is simply on finding charts and perfecting methods that yield predictive accuracy. I've considered it fortunate indeed to have 's guidance on this list, as he is developing SA with an eye to ever increasing predictive accuracy and has founded e.g. the International Institute of Predictive Accuracy (IIPA) to promote such astrology. Accordingly, on SAMVA list, the 'art of explaining after the fact' is not considered real astrology (unless, of course, it is accompanied by a consistent method and effort of prediction). As for the super Moon concept, aside from the visual interest, it is not really part of SA. My predictions for the UK chart relates more to the influence of the stationary nodes on the natal Moon at 28° Gemini, as well as the transit Saturn - transit Mars opposition involving the transit Moon at the time of the full Moon. Given the natal influence, the affliction of transit Moon could act as trigger for some event. That said, I do not see the same connection of the full perigee Moon on January 30, 2010 in the SAMVA USA chart, as was the case on December 12, 2008, when the Maddoff story broke. That said, the nodal station is having an influence on natal Venus as 4th lord in the 6th house - and Rahu natally afflicts the 6th house while Ketu natally afflicts the 4th house (as well as the 8th house, where transit Jupiter, as 6th lord, is currently placed in transit). We'll soon see how the various predictions made for the coming weekend fare. Thor Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandre > SAMVA Sun, January 24, 2010 10:25:31 PM Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hi Thor: I would not be at all surprised to see some quake activity and further financial craziness in the USA going into this Full Moon. In addition to the S.A. perspective, there are a couple of things that show up Tropically that add intensity here. (And I do understand that we limit our discussions to S.A. on this Site.) I deeply regret not having the time I need to look at the relevant charting in more detail. Why is it we always get busier when the fun times come? Warmly, John ==================================================== Cosmologer wrote: Hi John, In my blog I make the following prediction for January 30, 2010: Possible influences There are no major events seen in the SAMVA USA chart linked to this full Moon. However, as the nodes are presently stationary afflicting natal Venus, the 4th lord in the chart, which rules fixed assets and natural resource, geoseizmic activity cannot be excluded at such a time. In the UK chart, however, the full Moon takes place on the most effective point of the 5th and 11th houses. Moreover, Sun as 12th lord of losses and foreign countries will be in close opposition to Mars as 8th lord of obstacles and endings. This could produce an emotional or even a violent outburst. The government's management of the economy or its responsibility for speculative losses endured could be brought into focus. Some difficulties could also arise in relations with friendly nations. http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2010/ 01/super- moon-and- lunar-nodes. html Compare this with December 12, 2008, when the Moon also moved into its nearest point to Earth, called perigee, at the same time as its fullest phase of the Lunar Cycle. The Moon appeared to be 14% bigger and 30% brighter than the year's other full moons. At that time, the Sun at 27° Scorpio and 5th house was conjunct natal Saturn as 8th lord, while the Moon at 27° Taurus and 11th house, was both opposite natal Saturn and exactly afflicted by transit Saturn at 27° Leo and 2nd house. Here we have direct connection of the perigee full Moon with the MMP in the SAMVA USA chart. So, what happened then? Top Broker Accused of $50 Billion Fraud Wall Street Journal - DECEMBER 12, 2008 http://online. wsj.com/article/ SB12290301017309 9377.html On December 10, 2008, Madoff's sons told authorities that their father had just confessed to them that the asset management arm of his firm was a massive Ponzi scheme, and quoting him as saying it was "one big lie." The following day, December 11, 2008, FBI agents arrested Madoff and charged him with one count of securities fraud. On December 12, 2008, the story broke in the media shocking the community. This is consistent with what had been predicted at that time based on the SAMVA USA chart The year ahead for the USA (December 31, 2007) "The time in late November will be especially difficult as transit Saturn will then also be under the aspect of natal Saturn in the chart, heightening the potential for violence and destruction of assets." The aspect of natal to transit Saturn lasted into 2008. Thor __________ "Madoff's arrest in billion-dollar fraud case shocks Palm Beach investors" Palm Beach Post December 12, 2008. Creswell, Julie (January 24, 2009). Top Trader Is Accused of Defrauding Clients - NYTimes.com 12 Dec 2008 ... Charges say the scheme engineered by Bernard L. Madoff caused $50 ... in print on December 12, 2008, on page A1 of the New York edition. ... www.nytimes. com/2008/12/12/business/12scheme. html Madoff, Dreier look like 'financial psychopaths" - Dec. 12, 2008 12 Dec 2008 ... The damage done in cases of Bernard Madoff and Marc Dreier doesn't end with investors. ... Last Updated: December 12, 2008: 3:18 PM ET ... money.cnn.com/2008/12/12/.../madoff_dreier.../index. htm Hedge Fund Maven Madoff Falls Hard : NPR 12 Dec 2008 ... December 12, 2008. You probably have to go back to the Enron scandal to find someone who has fallen as fast and as far as Bernie Madoff. ... Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandre (AT) gmail (DOT) com> To: SAMVA Sun, January 24, 2010 1:49:28 PM Re: Re: Blog: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hi Thor: I do expect it will be a "kicker". Warmly, John ============ ========= ========= ======= Cosmologer wrote: Hello John, Thanks, the lyrics fit the occasion but the "afropean" music of Zap Mama is, of course, very enjoyable. It will be interesting to observe the perigee full Moon next Saturday. Thor Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandre (AT) gmail (DOT) com> To: SAMVA Sun, January 24, 2010 12:15:26 AM Re: Re: Blog: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello Thor: I am totally impressed that you relate to Zap Mama . . . Amazing Music, IMO. Warmly, John ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======= Cosmologer wrote: Dear Mew, What a nice poem! As the poets say, one good turn deserves another: Supermoon by Zap Mama Lavender skies over Avenue 8, Beats fill the streets from the sidewalk DJ, Chattering nightbirds in hollow chin trees, Good pals sip coffee in a mocha cafe... Completed celebrities cruising in a fancy car... I am looking for a singularity, I am not a superstar, no! Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! What goes around comes around, it seems to me...! I see a woman with a picture-perfect smile, A man walks by with silver screen eyes, Living their life in thirty second dreams, Sound-byte conversations, TV lullabies... Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! What goes around comes around, it seems to me...! Girl dancing in the city park Sets fire to the night with electric sparks... What you gave to me, I'll give back to you, When you open your heart... Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! (I am a supermoon, supermoon.) Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! (Am I? You are. Are you? I am...) Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! (Am I? You are. Are you? I am...) Who are you...? I actually quite look forward to seeing the super moon next week. Thor avz.9271r <wdwmew To: SAMVA Sat, January 23, 2010 8:26:13 PM Re: Blog: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Dear Thor: Thanks for the really fascinating article! Perhaps the FB Super Full Moon's of the past may have influenced many poets and musicians? Full Moon by Tu Fu Above the tower -- a lone, twice-sized moon. On the cold river passing night-filled homes, It scatters restless gold across the waves. On mats, it shines richer than silken gauze. Empty peaks, silence: among sparse stars, Not yet flawed, it drifts. Pine and cinnamon Spreading in my old garden . . . All light, All ten thousand miles at once in its light! :-) Mew SAMVA (AT) (DOT) com, Cosmologer <cosmologer@. ...> wrote: > > Hello dear list members, > > Here are some thoughts on the Super Moon next week. Enjoy! > > January 23, 2010 > Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes > On the morning of January 30, 2010, the Moon will be full while it it is also at its perigee point, when it is nearest to the Earth, a so-called Super Moon. The Moon will appear larger than normal. As such, the combination may have a somewhat more pronounced geological, tidal and societal influences than usual, although this depends critically on linkages to the natal charts of nations and individuals. Such a link is seen in the horoscope for the United Kingdom. > > To read more: > http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2010/ 01/super- moon-and- lunar-nodes. html > > Thor > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hello dear list members, Apparently, nothing much happened on the full super Moon in either the USA or UK. This confirms an earlier point made by that a full or new Moon by itself is not important. It is when planetary bodies cross the stationary nodal axis, especially close to an eclipse, that significant events may be expected. I attach an example of successful such predictions made in 2008: Another stunning predictionVedic astrologer V.K. Choudhry made the following prediction on SAMVA list on August 29, 2008 11:47 AM: "Transit Mars, Venus and Mercury would be in exact or very close conjunctions between 13th to 15th September, 2008, and these three planets would be under the exact affliction of Rahu. Simultaneously, Jupiter would also be closely influencing Saturn. The Sun would be quite weak to offer the protection... These afflictions may pose further challenges to the world economy as its impact is significant in the charts of countries like USA, India, China, UK, France, etc. etc." This prediction has not only been realised but Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy on the the 15th of September - the date mentioned in the prediction! ADDENDUM A weather prediction was also made with regard to the influence of faster moving planets: "...in MID SEPTEMBER, when several planets, VENUS, MERCURY and MARS will be transiting at 24° Virgo and 3rd house where they will come under the aspect of transit stationary Rahu at 24° Capricorn and the 7th house…THE DISRUPTION COULD BE QUITE PRONOUNCED FOR A FEW DAYS."(Message #15734 on the SAMVA discussion list on - Saturday, August 30, 2008 11:59:53 PM) "The expectation is that THE WEATHER MAY TURN OUT WORSE IN MID SEPTEMBER, when Venus becomes closely afflicted by transit stationary RAHU along with its dispositor transit 3rd lord MERCURY and also 10th lord MARS." (Message #15751 on the SAMVA discussion list on - Monday, September 1, 2008 2:17:43 PM) News: Devastating Ike rips southeast TexasAssociated Press - 3:18 AM PDT, September 13, 2008Thousands who stayed now call for help as homes flood, roads wash out and fires burn unabated . http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ike14-2008sep14,0,5282058.storyHurricane Ike leaves 4-plus million without powerhttp://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/09/13/hurricane.ike.texas/index.html Source: http://cosmologer.blogspot.com/2008/09/crisis-in-fall.html Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:42:20 PMRe: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello John, Glad to hear you appreciate SA method and SAMVA list. In my view the best astrologers are predictive in orientation, use a transparent method for interpreting the planetary influences and more often than not are successful in their predictions. We can compare notes on the respective predictions after Saturday. Thor Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandreSAMVA Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 12:38:04 PM Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello Thor:Thanks for this. And thanks to you and The Professor for this list and SAMVA. SA has helped to give birth to some amazing astrologers. In my (usually) quiet lurking mode, I am blessed with an opportunity to learn, here. You are correct in your assumption that I am looking at the charting for the coming Full Moon. Not only is the Moon being Super, but Mars is in its closest approach to Earth (making Mars a much badder Bad Boy), Moon is rather close to the Celestial Equator - adding even more voltage, and Sun being conjunct Venus gives us a Mars/Venus opposition (again, with Mars having more of an 'attitude'). There are also some important realities involving the outer planets that come into play here. Warmly, John=========================================================================Cosmologer wrote: Correction: My prediction for the UK chart relates more to the influence of the stationary nodes on the natal Moon at 28° Gemini, as well as the transit SUN - transit Mars opposition involving the transit Moon at the time of the full Moon. Cosmologer <cosmologer >SAMVA Mon, January 25, 2010 6:04:36 AMRe: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello John, Good to have your prediction, which I believe you are basing on the Super Moon phenomenon. The focus on SAMVA list is simply on finding charts and perfecting methods that yield predictive accuracy. I've considered it fortunate indeed to have 's guidance on this list, as he is developing SA with an eye to ever increasing predictive accuracy and has founded e.g. the International Institute of Predictive Accuracy (IIPA) to promote such astrology. Accordingly, on SAMVA list, the 'art of explaining after the fact' is not considered real astrology (unless, of course, it is accompanied by a consistent method and effort of prediction). As for the super Moon concept, aside from the visual interest, it is not really part of SA. My predictions for the UK chart relates more to the influence of the stationary nodes on the natal Moon at 28° Gemini, as well as the transit Saturn - transit Mars opposition involving the transit Moon at the time of the full Moon. Given the natal influence, the affliction of transit Moon could act as trigger for some event. That said, I do not see the same connection of the full perigee Moon on January 30, 2010 in the SAMVA USA chart, as was the case on December 12, 2008, when the Maddoff story broke. That said, the nodal station is having an influence on natal Venus as 4th lord in the 6th house - and Rahu natally afflicts the 6th house while Ketu natally afflicts the 4th house (as well as the 8th house, where transit Jupiter, as 6th lord, is currently placed in transit). We'll soon see how the various predictions made for the coming weekend fare. Thor Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandre (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Sun, January 24, 2010 10:25:31 PM Super Moon and the Lunar NodesHi Thor:I would not be at all surprised to see some quake activity and further financial craziness in the USA going into this Full Moon. In addition to the S.A. perspective, there are a couple of things that show up Tropically that add intensity here. (And I do understand that we limit our discussions to S.A. on this Site.)I deeply regret not having the time I need to look at the relevant charting in more detail. Why is it we always get busier when the fun times come?Warmly, John============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Cosmologer wrote: Hi John, In my blog I make the following prediction for January 30, 2010: Possible influencesThere are no major events seen in the SAMVA USA chart linked to this full Moon. However, as the nodes are presently stationary afflicting natal Venus, the 4th lord in the chart, which rules fixed assets and natural resource, geoseizmic activity cannot be excluded at such a time. In the UK chart, however, the full Moon takes place on the most effective point of the 5th and 11th houses. Moreover, Sun as 12th lord of losses and foreign countries will be in close opposition to Mars as 8th lord of obstacles and endings. This could produce an emotional or even a violent outburst. The government's management of the economy or its responsibility for speculative losses endured could be brought into focus. Some difficulties could also arise in relations with friendly nations. http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2010/ 01/super- moon-and- lunar-nodes. html Compare this with December 12, 2008, when the Moon also moved into its nearest point to Earth, called perigee, at the same time as its fullest phase of the Lunar Cycle. The Moon appeared to be 14% bigger and 30% brighter than the year's other full moons. At that time, the Sun at 27° Scorpio and 5th house was conjunct natal Saturn as 8th lord, while the Moon at 27° Taurus and 11th house, was both opposite natal Saturn and exactly afflicted by transit Saturn at 27° Leo and 2nd house. Here we have direct connection of the perigee full Moon with the MMP in the SAMVA USA chart. So, what happened then? Top Broker Accused of $50 Billion Fraud Wall Street Journal - DECEMBER 12, 2008 http://online. wsj.com/article/ SB12290301017309 9377.html On December 10, 2008, Madoff's sons told authorities that their father had just confessed to them that the asset management arm of his firm was a massive Ponzi scheme, and quoting him as saying it was "one big lie." The following day, December 11, 2008, FBI agents arrested Madoff and charged him with one count of securities fraud. On December 12, 2008, the story broke in the media shocking the community. This is consistent with what had been predicted at that time based on the SAMVA USA chart The year ahead for the USA (December 31, 2007) "The time in late November will be especially difficult as transit Saturn will then also be under the aspect of natal Saturn in the chart, heightening the potential for violence and destruction of assets." The aspect of natal to transit Saturn lasted into 2008. Thor __________ "Madoff's arrest in billion-dollar fraud case shocks Palm Beach investors" Palm Beach Post December 12, 2008. Creswell, Julie (January 24, 2009). Top Trader Is Accused of Defrauding Clients - NYTimes.com 12 Dec 2008 ... Charges say the scheme engineered by Bernard L. Madoff caused $50 ... in print on December 12, 2008, on page A1 of the New York edition. ... www.nytimes. com/2008/12/12/business/12scheme. html Madoff, Dreier look like 'financial psychopaths" - Dec. 12, 2008 12 Dec 2008 ... The damage done in cases of Bernard Madoff and Marc Dreier doesn't end with investors. ... Last Updated: December 12, 2008: 3:18 PM ET ...money.cnn.com/2008/12/12/.../madoff_dreier.../index. htm Hedge Fund Maven Madoff Falls Hard : NPR 12 Dec 2008 ... December 12, 2008. You probably have to go back to the Enron scandal to find someone who has fallen as fast and as far as Bernie Madoff. ... Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandre (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Sun, January 24, 2010 1:49:28 PMRe: Re: Blog: Super Moon and the Lunar NodesHi Thor:I do expect it will be a "kicker".Warmly, John============ ========= ========= =======Cosmologer wrote: Hello John, Thanks, the lyrics fit the occasion but the "afropean" music of Zap Mama is, of course, very enjoyable. It will be interesting to observe the perigee full Moon next Saturday. Thor Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandre (AT) gmail (DOT) com>SAMVA Sun, January 24, 2010 12:15:26 AMRe: Re: Blog: Super Moon and the Lunar NodesHello Thor:I am totally impressed that you relate to Zap Mama . . . Amazing Music, IMO.Warmly, John============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =======Cosmologer wrote: Dear Mew, What a nice poem! As the poets say, one good turn deserves another: Supermoon by Zap Mama Lavender skies over Avenue 8, Beats fill the streets from the sidewalk DJ, Chattering nightbirds in hollow chin trees, Good pals sip coffee in a mocha cafe... Completed celebrities cruising in a fancy car... I am looking for a singularity, I am not a superstar, no! Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! What goes around comes around, it seems to me...! I see a woman with a picture-perfect smile, A man walks by with silver screen eyes, Living their life in thirty second dreams, Sound-byte conversations, TV lullabies... Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Am I? You are. Are you? I am... Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! What goes around comes around, it seems to me...! Girl dancing in the city park Sets fire to the night with electric sparks... What you gave to me, I'll give back to you, When you open your heart... Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! (I am a supermoon, supermoon.) Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! (Am I? You are. Are you? I am...) Tra la-la la-la la-la-la! I am a supermoon! Supermoon! (Am I? You are. Are you? I am...) Who are you...? I actually quite look forward to seeing the super moon next week. Thor avz.9271r <wdwmewSAMVA Sat, January 23, 2010 8:26:13 PM Re: Blog: Super Moon and the Lunar NodesDear Thor:Thanks for the really fascinating article! Perhaps the FB Super Full Moon's of the past may have influenced many poets and musicians?Full Moon by Tu FuAbove the tower -- a lone, twice-sized moon.On the cold river passing night-filled homes,It scatters restless gold across the waves.On mats, it shines richer than silken gauze.Empty peaks, silence: among sparse stars,Not yet flawed, it drifts. Pine and cinnamonSpreading in my old garden . . . All light,All ten thousand miles at once in its light!:-)Mew SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer@. ..> wrote:>> Hello dear list members,> > Here are some thoughts on the Super Moon next week. Enjoy!> > January 23, 2010 > Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes> On the morning of January 30, 2010, the Moon will be full while it it is also at its perigee point, when it is nearest to the Earth, a so-called Super Moon. The Moon will appear larger than normal. As such, the combination may have a somewhat more pronounced geological, tidal and societal influences than usual, although this depends critically on linkages to the natal charts of nations and individuals. Such a link is seen in the horoscope for the United Kingdom.> > To read more:> http://cosmologer. blogspot. com/2010/ 01/super- moon-and- lunar-nodes. html> > Thor>------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hello Thor: Do you not consider the break-off in military relations by China from the USA as important? (due to weapon sales to Taiwan) Warmly, John ======================================= Cosmologer wrote:  Hello dear list members,  Apparently, nothing much happened on the full super Moon in either the USA or UK.  This confirms an earlier point made by that a full or new Moon by itself is not important. It is when planetary bodies cross the stationary nodal axis, especially close to an eclipse, that significant events may be expected. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4821 (20100130) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hello dear John, and list members, You are right, John, I didn't pick up on the news from China on Saturday, apparently in response to a US announcement on Friday. That said, do you and list members see China as "breaking off" relations with the USA? I've seen it described in the media as China "suspending" military exchanges and planning to "make further judgements as appropriate". As for the importance of this development, it is being pointed out that Chinas latest response is in line with what it did in 2008 in response to similar such sales by the US of military equipment to Tawain (See the attached news stories). Moreover, the Western press seems to be placing this story in the context of the ongoing strain between the USA and China, over lack of freedom of speech and related trade issues (Google, , etc.) in China. I seem to recall that recently President Obama criticised China for the lack of freedoms in China. In this regard, it bears mentioning that the SAMVA USA chart shows a grave strain over the military as earlier predicted and discussed many times before on this list. This development is due to the still close aspect of 8th lord Saturn to natal Mars as general indicator of the military and as 10th lord of foreign trade and the executive. This placement of Mars has also been pointed out by as having to do with the dynamic US software industry. Such an overall development is therefore captured quite nicely by the SAMVA USA chart, in the sense that the latest development is in some sense an extension of the earlier frictions, which we have discussed since December. The question that remains, is what further influence does the Super full Moon add? Did it act as a trigger for this ratcheting up in the pressure? In regard to the question of how serious this development is for the USA at the present time, the answer seems to be, not very. That said, grave problems are seen for the USA in the coming summer. Well, I suggest we wait and see how far these tensions in China over US military support to Taiwan goes. In terms of a chart for China, it has been suggested that since December there has been transit/period strain in the authentic chart for that country linked to the transit station of the nodes at 27° Sagittarius/Gemini. Neville Lange has also given his reasons for the chart he is following. Finally, I'd be interested in the view of on this issue of the respective planetary influences explaining the recent events. Thor China to Suspend U.S. Military Exchanges Over Arms Deal AP - Saturday, January 30, 2010 BEIJING — The State Department on Saturday backed U.S. plans to sell Taiwan $6.4 billion worth of arms in the face of China's threat to punish U.S. arms makers. "Such sales contribute to maintaining security and stability across the Taiwan Strait," Laura Tischler, a State Department spokeswoman, told Reuters. China suspended military exchange visits with the United States on Saturday in protest over the planned sales and warned the U.S. ambassador that the sales would harm already strained ties. The state-run Xinhua News Agency cited the Defense Ministry as saying the suspension is due to the "bad impact" of the arms sales on the two countries' military relations. China took a similar step in 2008 after the former Bush administration announced a multibillion-dollar arms sale to Taiwan. The latest arms sales could complicate the cooperation the U.S. seeks on issues ranging from Iran's nuclear program to the loosening of Internet controls, including a Google-China standoff over censorship. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584359,00.html China suspends U.S. military visits after Taiwan arms deal January 30, 2010 6:33 a.m. EST Washington (CNN) -- China said Saturday it had suspended military exchanges with the United States over Washington's $6.4-billion arms deal with Taiwan, the territory that Beijing claims as its own. China's Defense Ministry said the decision to halt visits between the Chinese and U.S. armed forces was made "in consideration of the serious harm and impacts on Sino-U.S. military relations" brought about by the arms deal, according to a report on the state-run Xinhua news agency. Xinhua did not immediately provide further details on the visits. "China will make further judgments as appropriate," the agency reported. China had already complained to the United States about the deal, announced Friday by the Obama administration. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/taiwan.arms/index.html?hpt=Sbin US defends $6.4bn weapons sale to Taiwan - Taiwan says the arms deal will make it feel more secure 19:23 GMT, Saturday, 30 January 2010 The US has defended a proposed weapons sale to Taiwan following a furious response from China. The US State Department said on Saturday that the sale contributed to "security and stability" between Taiwan and China, Reuters reported. Beijing announced a series of moves against the US in retaliation for the proposed $6.4bn (£4bn) sale. Ties between the two countries are already strained by rows over trade and internet censorship. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8489301.stm China steps up restrictions on media, IFJ report says - China has some of the tightest media restrictions in the world 06:00 GMT, Sunday, 31 January 2010 China has intensified efforts over the past year to control what the media can say, a report by the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) says. It says hundreds of regulations have been introduced since the Beijing Olympics in 2008 to restrict reporters writing on social unrest or scandals. Journalists were told they could only use the official Xinhua news agency during the 2008 tainted baby milk row. They were also told not to travel to report on the Sichuan quake in 2008. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8489748.stm Google Quits China, Who Can Understand the Deep Sorrow? NFDaily, China - 14 January 2010 About six years ago, the world's most advanced internet search engine, "Google," came to China. Afterward, this company, which was once called "gougou" and "gugou" gave itself the very literary name of "guge." After six years, today the company might be leaving the Chinese netizens. According to reports, at 3 pm U.S. local time on the 12th of January, Google's official blog said that it is considering closing "Google China." When the information was out, it was as if a tsunami started on the internet. Some people call the internet, which consists of bits, "the Sea of Bits," and Google, the most innovative search engine available, makes it easy for us to surf. If Google quits China, it is hard to estimate the magnitude of the loss to the netizens. And in the internet age, information is productivity. Academic research and access to business information will suffer a greater loss. http://watchingamerica.com/News/44440/google-quits-china-who-can-understand-the-deep-sorrow/ Dr. John D. Andre <drjdandreSAMVA Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 4:52:10 AMRe: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello Thor:Do you not consider the break-off in military relations by China from the USA as important? (due to weapon sales to Taiwan)Warmly, John=======================================Cosmologer wrote: Hello dear list members, Apparently, nothing much happened on the full super Moon in either the USA or UK. This confirms an earlier point made by that a full or new Moon by itself is not important. It is when planetary bodies cross the stationary nodal axis, especially close to an eclipse, that significant events may be expected. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4821 (20100130) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hello list, Based on further reading about this development, it becomes clear that it represents a public escalation in the already tense relations between China and the USA. The question that we must now answer is to what extent do we attribute the development as far as the US goes to a) the Full Super Moon combination - with John and Neville predicting some important development (although the influence was not specified) or b) the ongoing transit affliction of natal 10th lord Mars in the 5th house of the SAMVA USA chart by Saturn as 8th lord of obstacles and endings? Please note that specific difficulties had been predicted for the US military, executive and foreign trade at this time (December 2009 - February 2010) based on this aspect. However, given the natal strength of Mars, no major setback was seen for those indications at this time. Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:06:30 AMRe: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello dear John, and list members, You are right, John, I didn't pick up on the news from China on Saturday, apparently in response to a US announcement on Friday. That said, do you and list members see China as "breaking off" relations with the USA? I've seen it described in the media as China "suspending" military exchanges and planning to "make further judgements as appropriate". As for the importance of this development, it is being pointed out that Chinas latest response is in line with what it did in 2008 in response to similar such sales by the US of military equipment to Tawain (See the attached news stories). Moreover, the Western press seems to be placing this story in the context of the ongoing strain between the USA and China, over lack of freedom of speech and related trade issues (Google, , etc.) in China. I seem to recall that recently President Obama criticised China for the lack of freedoms in China. In this regard, it bears mentioning that the SAMVA USA chart shows a grave strain over the military as earlier predicted and discussed many times before on this list. This development is due to the still close aspect of 8th lord Saturn to natal Mars as general indicator of the military and as 10th lord of foreign trade and the executive. This placement of Mars has also been pointed out by as having to do with the dynamic US software industry. Such an overall development is therefore captured quite nicely by the SAMVA USA chart, in the sense that the latest development is in some sense an extension of the earlier frictions, which we have discussed since December. The question that remains, is what further influence does the Super full Moon add? Did it act as a trigger for this ratcheting up in the pressure? In regard to the question of how serious this development is for the USA at the present time, the answer seems to be, not very. That said, grave problems are seen for the USA in the coming summer. Well, I suggest we wait and see how far these tensions in China over US military support to Taiwan goes. In terms of a chart for China, it has been suggested that since December there has been transit/period strain in the authentic chart for that country linked to the transit station of the nodes at 27° Sagittarius/Gemini. Neville Lange has also given his reasons for the chart he is following. Finally, I'd be interested in the view of on this issue of the respective planetary influences explaining the recent events. Thor China to Suspend U.S. Military Exchanges Over Arms Deal AP - Saturday, January 30, 2010 BEIJING — The State Department on Saturday backed U.S. plans to sell Taiwan $6.4 billion worth of arms in the face of China 's threat to punish U.S. arms makers. "Such sales contribute to maintaining security and stability across the Taiwan Strait ," Laura Tischler, a State Department spokeswoman, told Reuters. China suspended military exchange visits with the United States on Saturday in protest over the planned sales and warned the U.S. ambassador that the sales would harm already strained ties. The state-run Xinhua News Agency cited the Defense Ministry as saying the suspension is due to the "bad impact" of the arms sales on the two countries' military relations. China took a similar step in 2008 after the former Bush administration announced a multibillion-dollar arms sale to Taiwan . The latest arms sales could complicate the cooperation the U.S. seeks on issues ranging from Iran 's nuclear program to the loosening of Internet controls, including a Google-China standoff over censorship. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584359,00.html China suspends U.S. military visits after Taiwan arms deal January 30, 2010 6:33 a.m. EST Washington (CNN) -- China said Saturday it had suspended military exchanges with the United States over Washington 's $6.4-billion arms deal with Taiwan , the territory that Beijing claims as its own. China's Defense Ministry said the decision to halt visits between the Chinese and U.S. armed forces was made "in consideration of the serious harm and impacts on Sino-U.S. military relations" brought about by the arms deal, according to a report on the state-run Xinhua news agency. Xinhua did not immediately provide further details on the visits. " China will make further judgments as appropriate," the agency reported. China had already complained to the United States about the deal, announced Friday by the Obama administration. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/taiwan.arms/index.html?hpt=Sbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hello list, As follow up, I attach the specific discussion relating to the possible influences of the full Moon in the USA: "It seems that these Super Moons cause higher than normal high tides (king tides) and for some regions if there is also bad weather and the wind is on-shore, flooding is very likely to occur in low lying areas." (Nevill Lang on SAMVA list on Jan. 22, 2010) "I thought it would be useful for our mundane astrology work to watch out for anything in the news that might be associated with this short-term event." (Nevill Lang on SAMVA list on Jan. 22, 2010) "I would not be at all surprised to see some quake activity and further financial craziness in the USA going into this Full Moon." (John D. Andre on SAMVA list on Jan. 24, 2010) "I do expect it will be a "kicker"." (John D. Andre on SAMVA list on Jan. 24, 2010) "There are no major events seen in the SAMVA USA chart linked to this full Moon." (Thor on SAMVA list on Jan. 24, 2010) Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:41:03 AMRe: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello list, Based on further reading about this development, it becomes clear that it represents a public escalation in the already tense relations between China and the USA. The question that we must now answer is to what extent do we attribute the development as far as the US goes to a) the Full Super Moon combination - with John and Neville predicting some important development (although the influence was not specified) or b) the ongoing transit affliction of natal 10th lord Mars in the 5th house of the SAMVA USA chart by Saturn as 8th lord of obstacles and endings? Please note that specific difficulties had been predicted for the US military, executive and foreign trade at this time (December 2009 - February 2010) based on this aspect. However, given the natal strength of Mars, no major setback was seen for those indications at this time. Thor Cosmologer <cosmologerSAMVA Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 10:06:30 AMRe: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes Hello dear John, and list members, You are right, John, I didn't pick up on the news from China on Saturday, apparently in response to a US announcement on Friday. That said, do you and list members see China as "breaking off" relations with the USA? I've seen it described in the media as China "suspending" military exchanges and planning to "make further judgements as appropriate". As for the importance of this development, it is being pointed out that Chinas latest response is in line with what it did in 2008 in response to similar such sales by the US of military equipment to Tawain (See the attached news stories). Moreover, the Western press seems to be placing this story in the context of the ongoing strain between the USA and China, over lack of freedom of speech and related trade issues (Google, , etc.) in China. I seem to recall that recently President Obama criticised China for the lack of freedoms in China. In this regard, it bears mentioning that the SAMVA USA chart shows a grave strain over the military as earlier predicted and discussed many times before on this list. This development is due to the still close aspect of 8th lord Saturn to natal Mars as general indicator of the military and as 10th lord of foreign trade and the executive. This placement of Mars has also been pointed out by as having to do with the dynamic US software industry. Such an overall development is therefore captured quite nicely by the SAMVA USA chart, in the sense that the latest development is in some sense an extension of the earlier frictions, which we have discussed since December. The question that remains, is what further influence does the Super full Moon add? Did it act as a trigger for this ratcheting up in the pressure? In regard to the question of how serious this development is for the USA at the present time, the answer seems to be, not very. That said, grave problems are seen for the USA in the coming summer. Well, I suggest we wait and see how far these tensions in China over US military support to Taiwan goes. In terms of a chart for China, it has been suggested that since December there has been transit/period strain in the authentic chart for that country linked to the transit station of the nodes at 27° Sagittarius/Gemini. Neville Lange has also given his reasons for the chart he is following. Finally, I'd be interested in the view of on this issue of the respective planetary influences explaining the recent events. Thor China to Suspend U.S. Military Exchanges Over Arms Deal AP - Saturday, January 30, 2010 BEIJING — The State Department on Saturday backed U.S. plans to sell Taiwan $6.4 billion worth of arms in the face of China 's threat to punish U.S. arms makers. "Such sales contribute to maintaining security and stability across the Taiwan Strait ," Laura Tischler, a State Department spokeswoman, told Reuters. China suspended military exchange visits with the United States on Saturday in protest over the planned sales and warned the U.S. ambassador that the sales would harm already strained ties. The state-run Xinhua News Agency cited the Defense Ministry as saying the suspension is due to the "bad impact" of the arms sales on the two countries' military relations. China took a similar step in 2008 after the former Bush administration announced a multibillion-dollar arms sale to Taiwan . The latest arms sales could complicate the cooperation the U.S. seeks on issues ranging from Iran 's nuclear program to the loosening of Internet controls, including a Google-China standoff over censorship. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584359,00.html China suspends U.S. military visits after Taiwan arms deal January 30, 2010 6:33 a.m. EST Washington (CNN) -- China said Saturday it had suspended military exchanges with the United States over Washington 's $6.4-billion arms deal with Taiwan , the territory that Beijing claims as its own. China's Defense Ministry said the decision to halt visits between the Chinese and U.S. armed forces was made "in consideration of the serious harm and impacts on Sino-U.S. military relations" brought about by the arms deal, according to a report on the state-run Xinhua news agency. Xinhua did not immediately provide further details on the visits. " China will make further judgments as appropriate," the agency reported. China had already complained to the United States about the deal, announced Friday by the Obama administration. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/taiwan.arms/index.html?hpt=Sbin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Dear Thor and list, As I reported last week, we did have king tides in our region during the course of the Super Moon event. It was reported in the media that there has been minor flooding in our area on the Gold Coast and also in the state's captial of Brisbane. Fortunately, the weather has been only showery though there has been some erosion on the beaches on the Gold Coast. More erosion would have occurred if the on-shore winds were stronger. Up in the north of our state, there has been some major flooding associated with Ex-Cyclone Olga plus the king tides in those areas due to the Super Moon event. Here is a link to the latest on the floods in our state: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/31/2805945.htm. After watching the news worldwide on the Super Moon event day, I would have to concur with Thor that the Super Moon event, by itself, does not seem to have been a factor in world events though it is a factor in king tides and flooding. I believe there are other factors that account for the issue between China and the USA, in their respectivew charts, as Thor has reported on a previous email. In my analysis of the China/USA issue on my proposed chart for China, I did not mention the Super Moon itself as a contributing factor, just that the response from China occurred on the same day as the Super Moon. One could argue that the Moon may have been a contributing factor , perhaps a trigger factor, but I believe that there were enough other factors to discount the Moon on this occasion. In conclusion, I have now learned first-hand that a Super Moon event, though of interest to mundane astrology, it not a major factor in tirggering major national events. Regards,Neville SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Hello list,>  > As follow up, I attach the specific discussion relating to the possible influences of the full Moon in the USA:> > > "It seems that these Super Moons cause higher than normal high tides (king tides) and for some regions if there is also bad weather and the wind is on-shore, flooding is very likely to occur in low lying areas." (Nevill Lang on SAMVA list on Jan. 22, 2010)>  > "I thought it would be useful for our mundane astrology work to watch out for anything in the news that might be associated with this short-term event." (Nevill Lang on SAMVA list on Jan. 22, 2010)>  >  > "I would not be at all surprised to see some quake activity and further financial craziness in the USA going into this Full Moon." (John D. Andre on SAMVA list on Jan. 24, 2010)>  > "I do expect it will be a "kicker"." (John D. Andre on SAMVA list on Jan. 24, 2010)>  >  > "There are no major events seen in the SAMVA USA chartlinked to this full Moon."> (Thor on SAMVA list on Jan. 24, 2010)>  >  > Thor> > >  > > > > ________________________________> Cosmologer cosmologer SAMVA > Sun, January 31, 2010 10:41:03 AM> Re: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes> > > > > Hello list,> > Based on further reading about this development, it becomes clear that it represents a public escalation in the already tense relations between China and the USA. > > The question that we must now answer is to what extent do we attribute the development as far as the US goes to > > a) the Full Super Moon combination - with John and Neville predicting some important development (although the influence was not specified)> > or > > b) the ongoing transit affliction of natal 10th lord Mars in the 5th house of the SAMVA USA chart by Saturn as 8th lord of obstacles and endings? Please note that specific difficulties had been predicted for the US military, executive and foreign trade at this time (December 2009 - February 2010) based on this aspect. However, given the natal strength of Mars, no major setback was seen for those indications at this time.> > Thor > > > > > ________________________________> Cosmologer cosmologer SAMVA > Sun, January 31, 2010 10:06:30 AM> Re: Super Moon and the Lunar Nodes> > > > > Hello dear John, and list members,> > You are right, John, I didn't pick up on the news from China on Saturday, apparently in response to a US announcement on Friday. That said, do you and list members see China as "breaking off" relations with the USA? I've seen it described in the media as China "suspending" military exchanges and planning to "make further judgements as appropriate". As for the importance of this development, it is being pointed out that Chinas latest response is in line with what it did in 2008 in response to similar such sales by the US of military equipment to Tawain (See the attached news stories). Moreover, the Western press seems to be placing this story in the context of the ongoing strain between the USA and China, over lack of freedom of speech and related trade issues (Google, , etc.) in China. I seem to recall that recently President Obama criticised China for the lack of freedoms in China. > > In this regard, it bears mentioning that the SAMVA USA chart shows a grave strain over the military as earlier predicted and discussed many times before on this list. This development is due to the still close aspect of 8th lord Saturn to natal Mars as general indicator of the military and as 10th lord of foreign trade and the executive. This placement of Mars has also been pointed out by as having to do with the dynamic US software industry. Such an overall development is therefore captured quite nicely by the SAMVA USA chart, in the sense that the latest development is in some sense an extension of the earlier frictions, which we have discussed since December. The question that remains, is what further influence does the Super full Moon add? Did it act as a trigger for this ratcheting up in the pressure?> > In regard to the question of how serious this development is for the USA at the present time, the answer seems to be, not very. That said, grave problems are seen for the USA in the coming summer. Well, I suggest we wait and see how far these tensions in China over US military support to Taiwan goes. > > In terms of a chart for China, it has been suggested that since December there has been transit/period strain in the authentic chart for that country linked to the transit station of the nodes at 27° Sagittarius/Gemini. Neville Lange has also given his reasons for the chart he is following.> > Finally, I'd be interested in the view of on this issue of the respective planetary influences explaining the recent events.> > Thor> > Chinato Suspend U.S. Military Exchanges Over Arms Deal > AP - Saturday, January 30, 2010 > BEIJING â€" The State Department on Saturday backed U.S. plans to sell Taiwan $6.4 billion worth of arms in the face of China 's threat to punish U.S. arms makers. "Such sales contribute to maintaining security and stability across the Taiwan Strait ," Laura Tischler, a State Department spokeswoman, told Reuters. China suspended military exchange visits with the United States on Saturday in protest over the planned sales and warned the U.S. ambassador that the sales would harm already strained ties. The state-run Xinhua News Agency cited the Defense Ministry as saying the suspension is due to the "bad impact" of the arms sales on the two countries' military relations. China took a similar step in 2008 after the former Bush administration announced a multibillion-dollar arms sale to Taiwan . The latest arms sales could complicate the cooperation the U.S. seeks on issues ranging from Iran 's nuclear program to the loosening of Internet controls,> including a Google-China standoff over censorship.> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584359,00.html> > Chinasuspends U.S. military visits after Taiwan arms deal> January 30, 2010 6:33 a.m. EST> Washington (CNN) -- China said Saturday it had suspended military exchanges with the United States over Washington 's $6.4-billion arms deal with Taiwan , the territory that Beijing claims as its own. China's Defense Ministry said the decision to halt visits between the Chinese and U.S. armed forces was made "in consideration of the serious harm and impacts on Sino-U.S. military relations" brought about by the arms deal, according to a report on the state-run Xinhua news agency. Xinhua did not immediately provide further details on the visits.   "China will make further judgments as appropriate," the agency reported. China had already complained to the United States about the deal, announced Friday by the Obama administration.> http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/30/taiwan.arms/index.html?hpt=Sbin> > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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