PART II-B and PART III-A of the SA Intl Conf 2010. [4 Attachments]

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Sankara Bhagavadpada <sankaraSystemsApproachToVedic Astrology ; SAMVA ; Cc: <vkchoudhrySat, March 6, 2010 10:49:17 AM PART II-B and PART III-A of the SA Intl Conf 2010. [4 Attachments]

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Sankara Bhagavadpada [sankara] 06 March 2010 15:16SATVA, SAMVA ListsPART II-B and PART III-A of the SA Intl Conf 2010.

 

Respected Dear Professor and Learned Members of the SATVA and SAMVA Fraternities,

 

Namasthe. PART II-B & PART III-A of the Proceedings of the 5th SA Intl Conference, 2010, appears below. I was unable to copy into this mail, an important diagram, which is central to PART III-A. This diagram is now attached, for want of better options. A PDF version is also being attached, for the benefit of SAMVA Members.

The last PART will also follow in a couple of days. Kindly bear with the delay.

Best Regards,

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

Proceedings of the Fifth SA Intl Conf[Feb 20th, 21st, 2010], at Gurgaon, India:

 

PART II-B:After-Noon Session on the First Day:

 

Technical Discussions:

 

After my talk on “SA Light on Afflictions Hidden in the Div Chartsâ€, the Professor asked the delegates to seek any clarifications with regard to Charts, if they so desired. Immediately after the talk, Roop Saranji making the foll observation, asked Prof Choudhry what should be the correct course of action? ‘Now that, there is always the possibility of some things being hidden in the Div Charts, the prospect of having to examine so many Div Charts looks daunting, so what should be our approach? The Professor replied, that the Rasi Chart has a great deal to offer, and one must just learn to look carefully for all major aspects within the RC itself, first, and then going over to the DCs, only when this is has become necessity, because of some trouble in that area.’

 

There were several Charts brought up by Amman Sainiji, or by Rakesh Sharmaji, and Naval Kishoreji, Gaurav Dhamejaji. Some of these questions were raised in the session, after Tea in the afternoon and some were presented after Roop Saranji’s talk on the second day. Though I may not be reproducing their discussions in the exact chronological order in which they occurred, at least, I’ll try to cover all or most of these discussions, to the extent that my memory has been able to record, and retain.

 

Case Study # 1 of Sri Sainiji:

 

A case of marital discord.

 

Husband: [14-May-1963, 13:15hrs, (81E51, 25N27), TZ=IST]

Wife: [30-April-1969, 12:19hrs, (86E23, 23N20), TZ=IST]

 

By way of introduction, Sainiji disclosed the following details about this case study: That the couple (husband & wife), with their two children, had lived together amicably, for a period of twelve yrs, and thereafter a rift developed, on the grounds of an allegation levelled by the wife, to the effect that, the husband was having an illicit relationship with her friend. That in spite of his best efforts, he could not convince the wife, that he was beyond reproach. That the man, under such pressure from the nagging wife, had no option, but to part company with her and the kids, and had moved to another rented apartment. That this separation did not of course, come in the way of the husband, sending a sum of money every month to the wife, for the maintenance of his separated family.

 

That there was no legal dispute as yet, and that the husband, vehemently denies the charges of an illicit affair with the friend of the wife, etc.

 

Sainiji raised one interesting question, ‘Now that, a well-bonded marriage, which had survived for twelve years, suddenly broke up, may we know from you Professor, what was responsible for the marriage surviving all these years?

 

replied that, ‘Though the IIH and IVH of the wife’s Cancer Asdt Chart were strong, yet, Ju, which is the general significator of the husband, being involved in a close affliction of an orb of 3 degrees, with the Malefics Ke and Re, in due course, one would have expected, this close affliction from the Nodes, to ripen, so as to create such a marital discord.’

 

He also pointed out that, things were unfavourable in the husband’s Chart as well: His Asdt Lord, the Su, was under an exact affliction from the set-back giving Ke, and the PD of the spouse, Sa was badly placed in the VIH of conflicts. Moreover the Nodes had nearly frozen at the same position as the Natal Ke and Ra-and this is known to create difficult stresses.

 

The Professor’s overall verdict was that this separation is difficult to resolve, and so it is likely to continue along the same lines.

Case Study # 2 of Sri Sainiji:

 

In this case, both husband and wife were Pisces Asdts.

 

Husband: [11-July-1967, 23:35Hrs, (77E13, 28N40), TZ=IST]

MEP=17degs 10mts.

Wife: [17-June-1975, 0:45hrs, (77E13, 28N40), TZ=IST]

MEP=7degs03mts.

 

It was again a case of marital discord.

 

Sainiji, brought up this example, just to illustrate, how while classical Vedic Astrology’s ‘compatibility test’ had given this pair of Charts, a fairly high score of 25 points; in practical life, the couple had a lot of disharmony in their marital life, and his other significant point was that, the SA, by contrast, does not give a favourable compatibility verdict, and what is more, even pinpoints, which are the areas of difficulty in married life. He said, the husband had contacted him and that the couple no longer live together, though there has been no formal legal divorce.

 

, stated that this couple, are unlikely to go for a legal separation, and from the feedback that they are not even doing the remedial measures, he held that the deadlock will continue in the same fashion, without the situation resolving itself into one way or the other.

 

Case Study # 3 of Sri Sainiji:

 

This once again concerned a marital discord between the husband and wife.

 

Husband:

[31-01-1967, 9:30am, (77E13, 28N40), TZ=IST]

Pisces Asdt, MEP=2degs 11mts.

Wife:

[23-06-1973, 12:00hrs, (77E13, 28N40), TZ=IST]

 

Virgo Asdt, MEP=2degs 59mts.

 

 

Though the data was made available by Sainiji, Professor’s verdict, was not sought, for want of adequate time.

 

 

 

 

Case Study # 4 of Sri Sainiji:

 

Elder Brother:

[9-10-1957, 13:56hrs, (75E54, 31N31), TZ=IST]

Capricorn Asdt MEP=1deg07mts.

Younger Brother:

[14-7-1959, 17:40hrs, (75E54, 31N31), TZ=IST]

Sagittarius Asdt , MEP= 1deg, 48mts.

 

This was the fourth of the CSs brought up by Sainiji. It was a dispute between an elder brother and his younger brother, concerning inheritance. The question was, which of the two brothers will become the inheritor, the elder one or the younger one? This question was posed to the Professor.

Looking at the two Charts, the elder brother’s Capricorn Asdt Chart first, Professor said: “Here Ma, ruling assets, though placed in the IXH, is very combust and also closely afflicted by the MMP [Most Malefic Planet], Su, and the Inheritance Lord, the Su is itself closely afflicted, by the loss giving Malefic Ju, and as the Su sub-period is also running, till June 2010, the elder brother has less chances of securing the inheritance.â€

Going over to the younger brother’s Chart, next, Professor commented, more or less, like this: “Here, the Lord of inheritance is placed in the H of gains, without any affliction, and the Asdt Lord Ju is also placed in the H of gains, and aspecting the Lord of Fortune, which aspects the Asdt in turn, these factors are favourable for him to gain the inheritance.â€

 

The favourable Ve sub-period:[28-10-’09 to 28-8-‘12]

 

The favourable Su sub-period:[28-8-’12 to 04-07-‘13]

 

Proceedings of the Fifth SA Intl Conf[Feb 20th, 21st, 2010], at Gurgaon, India:

 

PART III-A:Fore-Noon Session on the Second Day:

 

Sri Roop Saranji’s Talk: “Structure of the Horoscope and the Logic behind the Moola-Trikona Signsâ€:

 

In this talk, the speaker’s main intention was to bring to the surface, the significance of the Moola Trikona Rasis in Vedic Astrology-because, they form the bedrock of the analytically beautiful Systems Approach, which has created.

Saranji’s entire presentation revolved around the understanding of a certain mystic diagram [Yantra], called the ‘Kala-Purusha Mandala’, or the ‘Sarvato-Bhadra Yantra’. See this Yantra displayed in the attached file.

 

 

He then explained the meaning of this ‘SarvatoBhadra Yantra’. He said, this was perhaps the earliest form of the ‘Horoscope’, in which the Triangle [Trikona] pointing upwards represents Shiva [Cosmic Male Principle] and the Triangle [Trikona] pointing downwards represents, Shakti [Cosmic Female Principle].

 

Other names for this Yantra were, he said: ‘Tara Yantra’, ‘Prakrti Yantra’, ‘Shakti Yantra’ and that it was basically a ‘Kala-Purusha Mandala’[‘Mandala’ also meaning Yantra, and ‘Kala Purusha’ is the ‘God of Time’, the God of Astrology].

 

The numbers represent the Rasis, which are twelve in number. In a way, he said, ‘though this is kind of the Horoscope of KalaPurusha, the same patterns also obtain in the Horoscopes of human beings’.

 

Then he said, the Mesha, Mithuna and Tula Rasis, which are numbered respectively:1, 3, and 7 represent the ‘Shakti Kona’. Very significantly, he pointed out that the six inner Triangles[representing, not only the Rasis [but also generally the corresponding Houses]:{1,3,5,7,9, 11,} represent the ‘intrinsic or internal sphere or internal endowments’ with which we have come into this Earth plane, whereas the remaining 6 Rasis, namely:{2,4,6,8,10,12}, represent what is given to the individual from the environment[Desa, Kaala, etc,...], as a fruit of his works and strivings, so these six Rasis[and generally, the corresponding Houses], represent the external sphere in the life of an individual. Referring to the upward pointing Male Triangle[‘Shiva

Kona’], he said, [1] stands for the Male Mars Energy, [5]stands for the Male Solar Energy and [9] stands for the Male Jupiterean Energy. By contrast, he added that the downward pointing Female Triangle [which is the ‘Shakti Kona’] represents the Rasis, belonging to Mercury, Venus and Saturn.

 

Then he pointed out that the ‘Inner Rasis[and Houses]’ are formed by the intersection of the Shiva Kona with the Shakti Kona. ‘Trikona’ means Triangle, and ‘Moola-Trikona’, would mean ‘Foundational Triangle’. Then he the things which all of us know, namely that the sphere of [1]{Rasi and House} stands for the body, [3], for the ‘Drive within’, [5], for Intelligence and Emotional power, [7], for vasanas [desires from past lives carried forward into this life] and innate desires, [9], for blessedness in destiny, [11] for ‘Karma-Phala’, or the fruit of one’s actions, in this life as ‘Gains’.

 

After explaining the internal sphere in the above manner, turning to the external sphere, represented by the 6 Rasis and Houses: {2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12}; he added, that [2] stood for ‘financial strength’ and status in the outer world, [4] stood for family life, assets, mind[which is reflective of happenings in the outer world, and hence also belongs to the external category, [6] stood for losses due to opponents, and general obstacles, [8], for aging, degradation of all life processes, and [12], for outflow of monies, whether losses or expenditures, etc.

Sri Roop Saranji, after making all these preliminary observations on the Kala Purusha Mandala, pointed out that, the seven Mula Trikona Signs[MTS] of Vedic Astrology being:{1,4,5,6,7,9,11}, all of them are being reproduced in this Yantra, with the exception of the Rasis [3][Mithuna] alone, which seems to be an intruder, and which does not fit into the primordial set of the MTSs, and the Rasis, [4] and [6], which are conspicuous by their absence.

 

He then proceeded in a manner so as to show why we must exclude [3], and add [4] and [6], and thus arrive at the set of seven MT Rasis, mentioned above. This logic, I could not however understand from first principles, but it amounted to transferring [3], from the sphere of Shakti, to the sphere of Shiva, because of an empirical observation, which we all know to be very true, namely that, ‘while women are born with intuition, in men, the same faculty is not always present from birth itself, but has to be often awakened through meditation’ [saranji].

 

He now gave a new meaning to the MTSs, in that, he said, the MTSs are intrinsic, internal endowments, which remain invariant throughout an individual’s life, and thus may be considered to constitute, the ‘basic design of the individual’.

 

Commenting on the Trikona structure of any Horoscope, he said, the Shakti Houses, III, VII, XI, resemble the Shakti MTSs, [3], [7], and [11]. In a similar way, the Shiva Houses, I, V, IX, resemble the Shiva MTSs [called Trines]: [1],[5], [9].

 

He concluded his talk with the important statement: ‘As the Systems Approach of gives a central role to the Mula Trikona Rasis of the Planets, I have tried to give a Vedic- philosophical basis, for the primacy of the MoolaTrikona Rasis, in the same Systems Approach.’

 

Professor remarked at the end of the talk that this was a good presentation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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SA INTL CONF 2010-PARTII-B[TECHNICAL DISCUSSION].doc

 

 

 

SA INTL CONF 2010-PARTII-B[TECHNICAL DISCUSSION].pdf

 

 

 

MULA TRIKONA RASIS-SRI ROOP SARAN.doc

 

 

 

MULA TRIKONA RASIS-SRI ROOP SARAN.pdf