Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 Dear gurus and friends When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other. Thanks Rohini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Rohiniji, Yes to some extent.If a person is doing prayers or Jap on behalf of another person,then that person's bad karmas may affect unless the person praying should have a siddhi or Sadhana of his Ishta devatha. I hope this helps you. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.rohinipurang <rohinipurang wrote: Dear gurus and friendsWhen someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other.ThanksRohini|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 Dear Rohini, It is very interesting question. In order for any prayer to be effective it has to be honest and highly emotionally charged, for that is the power of prayer. If it is so, and our desire to help another stronger than force of our needs , selfless, it's also confirmation that we give up something for something bigger- what we 'declare' we are able to give up, may certainly bring some suffering in our life, and I think it does, but it is of temporary nature and not worth mentioning /IMO/ compared to how much OUR souls benefit and expand from the selfless prayer for another person. I am absolutely sure that miracles DO happen when the prayer is 'right'-selfless, intense desire to help. We may feel the burden of karma gets heavier, for the time, but in longer term it brings blessings to our lives as well. Besides, whoever prayed for child, brother, mother, knows- little do we care whether or not we will get little /or not so little/ to bear. Besides, the person suffering due to his karma and we helping him with that burden, are most likely meant to be there for this task. If we do get some suffering, and I know we do, it's soothing for our soul, it purifies our souls, empowers our souls, oh, it's more that worth it. I have experienced that, and that joy and peace within oneself cannot be explained, just experienced. I had a long struggle for my brother's life, and I didn't care about anything just that he must not die /as everyone expected, 0 chances they said/. Intensity of my desire and prayers, attracted right people, right circumstances, at the right time, and it seemed to be a miracle. And it was- only God can provide miracles! After that, my life has had a new dimension. I am much better able now to understand the saying "if God doesn't give us what we want, He gives us what we NEED' .Never ever take God's name lightly, don't call his name if the goal is not worth. Desires may overwhelm us, from time to time, we need to be able to recognize and correct that. To be honest, my answer to your question Rohini is yes, we take some suffering from another person, but can you think about another way, being able and not helping?Wouldn't that be worse suffering compared to noble one when you extended you unconditional love and help to one in need. Don't ask, just do it- if it feels right, it is. Be grateful to the God who's given you opportunity to open your heart and give and receive unselfishly. I guess we will get some explanation from others. This is how I perceive 'my contract with God' and I have not only rational but also 'VISCERAL' proof that God has never, ever left me alone, never ever missed to respond when I needed, and I hope I will be able to stay on the way which strengthens my faith, be worth HIS help, and I give my life to Him, where it belongs anyway, even when the night is dark and I ask "Why me God" Thank you, Anna - "rohinipurang" <rohinipurang <varahamihira > Sunday, August 31, 2003 6:38 AM |Sri Varaha| praying for others > Dear gurus and friends> > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other.> > Thanks> > Rohini> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 - N.Anna varahamihira Sunday, August 31, 2003 5:09 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| praying for others Dear Rohini, It is very interesting question. In order for any prayer to be effective it has to be honest and highly emotionally charged, for that is the power of prayer. If it is so, and our desire to help another stronger than force of our needs , selfless, it's also confirmation that we give up something for something bigger- what we 'declare' we are able to give up, may certainly bring some suffering in our life, and I think it does, but it is of temporary nature and not worth mentioning /IMO/ compared to how much OUR souls benefit and expand from the selfless prayer for another person. I am absolutely sure that miracles DO happen when the prayer is 'right'-selfless, intense desire to help. We may feel the burden of karma gets heavier, for the time, but in longer term it brings blessings to our lives as well. Besides, whoever prayed for child, brother, mother, knows- little do we care whether or not we will get little /or not so little/ to bear. Besides, the person suffering due to his karma and we helping him with that burden, are most likely meant to be there for this task. If we do get some suffering, and I know we do, it's soothing for our soul, it purifies our souls, empowers our souls, oh, it's more that worth it. I have experienced that, and that joy and peace within oneself cannot be explained, just experienced. I had a long struggle for my brother's life, and I didn't care about anything just that he must not die /as everyone expected, 0 chances they said/. Intensity of my desire and prayers, attracted right people, right circumstances, at the right time, and it seemed to be a miracle. And it was- only God can provide miracles! After that, my life has had a new dimension. I am much better able now to understand the saying "if God doesn't give us what we want, He gives us what we NEED' .Never ever take God's name lightly, don't call his name if the goal is not worth. Desires may overwhelm us, from time to time, we need to be able to recognize and correct that. To be honest, my answer to your question Rohini is yes, we take some suffering from another person, but can you think about another way, being able and not helping?Wouldn't that be worse suffering compared to noble one when you extended you unconditional love and help to one in need. Don't ask, just do it- if it feels right, it is. Be grateful to the God who's given you opportunity to open your heart and give and receive unselfishly. I guess we will get some explanation from others. This is how I perceive 'my contract with God' and I have not only rational but also 'VISCERAL' proof that God has never, ever left me alone, never ever missed to respond when I needed, and I hope I will be able to stay on the way which strengthens my faith, be worth HIS help, and I give my life to Him, where it belongs anyway, even when the night is dark and I ask "Why me God" Thank you, Anna - "rohinipurang" <rohinipurang <varahamihira > Sunday, August 31, 2003 6:38 AM |Sri Varaha| praying for others > Dear gurus and friends> > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other.> > Thanks> > Rohini> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Dear Rohini, This is very interesting question. In order for any prayer to be effective it has to be honest and highly emotionally charged, for that is the power of prayer. If it is so, and our desire to help another stronger than force of our needs , selfless, it's also confirmation that we give up something for something bigger- what we 'declare' we are able to give up, may certainly bring some suffering in our life, and I think it does, but it is of temporary nature and not worth mentioning /IMO/ compared to how much OUR souls benefit and expand from the selfless prayer for another person. I am absolutely sure that miracles DO happen when the prayer is 'right'-selfless, intense desire to help. We may feel the burden of karma gets heavier, for the time, but in longer term it brings blessings to our lives as well. Besides, whoever prayed for child, brother, mother, knows- little do we care whether or not we will get little /or not so little/ to bear. Besides, the person suffering due to his karma and we helping him with that burden, are most likely meant to be there for this task. If we do get some suffering, and I know we do, it's soothing for our soul, it purifies our souls, empowers our souls, oh, it's more than worth it. I have experienced that, and that joy and peace within oneself cannot be explained, just experienced. I had a long struggle for my brother's life, and I didn't care about anything just that he must not die /as everyone expected, 0 chances they said/. Intensity of my desire and prayers, attracted right people, right circumstances, at the right time, and it seemed to be a miracle. And it was- only God can provide miracles! After that, my life has had a new dimension. I am much better able now to understand the saying " if God doesn't give us what we want, He gives us what we NEED' .Never ever take God's name lightly, don't call his name if the goal is not worth. Desires may overwhelm us, from time to time, we need to be able to recognize and correct that. To be honest, my answer to your question Rohini is yes, we take some suffering from another person, but can you think about another way, being able and not helping?Wouldn't that be worse suffering compared to noble one when you extended you unconditional love and help to one in need. Don't ask, just do it- if it feels right, it is. Be grateful to the God who's given you opportunity to open your heart and give and receive unselfishly. I guess we will get some explanation from others. This is how I perceive 'my contract with God' and I have not only rational but also 'VISCERAL' proof that God has never, ever left me alone, never ever missed to respond when I needed, and I hope I will be able to stay on the way which strengthens my faith, be worth HIS help, and I give my life to Him, where it belongs anyway, even when the night is dark and I ask " Why me God " Thank you, Anna varahamihira , " rohinipurang " <rohinipurang> wrote: > Dear gurus and friends > > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other. > > Thanks > > Rohini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Dear Guru Ji, Namaste, Can you please clarify the following words with the correct meaning for me/us:- 1) Sadhana : A process of praying to Istha Devta 2) Sadhaka : A person who undertakes this Sadhana 3) Siddhi : A sadhaka can be called after successful completion of the Sadhana. Also, please include any other relevant words in this Sadhana/Siddhi process. Thanks for your help in advance. Regards Rao varahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Rohiniji, > Yes to some extent.If a person is doing prayers or Jap on behalf of another person,then that person's bad karmas may affect unless the person praying should have a siddhi or Sadhana of his Ishta devatha. > I hope this helps you. > With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, > Ramadas Rao. > > rohinipurang <rohinipurang> wrote: > Dear gurus and friends > > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other. > > Thanks > > Rohini > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Dear Anna Thank you so much for your reply - it comes straight from the heart and is therefore so much more precious. Rohini varahamihira , " bona_mente " <anmar@a...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > This is very interesting question. In order for any prayer to be > effective it has to be honest and highly emotionally charged, for > that is the power of prayer. If it is so, and our desire to help > another stronger than force of our needs , selfless, it's also > confirmation that we give up something for something bigger- what > we 'declare' we are able to give up, may certainly bring some > suffering in our life, and I think it does, but it is of temporary > nature and not worth mentioning /IMO/ compared to how much OUR souls > benefit and expand from the selfless prayer for another person. > > I am absolutely sure that miracles DO happen when the prayer > is 'right'-selfless, intense desire to help. We may feel the burden > of karma gets heavier, for the time, but in longer term it brings > blessings to our lives as well. Besides, whoever prayed for child, > brother, mother, knows- > little do we care whether or not we will get little /or not so > little/ to bear. Besides, the person suffering due to his karma and > we helping him with > that burden, are most likely meant to be there for this task. If we > do get some suffering, and I know we do, it's soothing for our soul, > it purifies our souls, empowers our souls, oh, it's more than worth > it. I have experienced that, and that joy and peace within oneself > cannot be explained, just experienced. I had a long struggle for my > brother's life, and I didn't care about anything just that he must > not die /as everyone expected, 0 chances they said/. Intensity of my > desire and prayers, attracted right people, right circumstances, at > the right time, and it seemed to be a miracle. And it was- only God > can provide miracles! > > After that, my life has had a new dimension. I am much better able > now to understand the saying " if God doesn't give us what we want, > He gives us what we NEED' .Never ever take God's name lightly, > don't call his name if the goal is not worth. Desires may overwhelm > us, from time to time, we need to be able to recognize and correct > that. > > To be honest, my answer to your question Rohini is yes, we take > some suffering from another person, but can you think about another > way, being able and not helping?Wouldn't that be worse suffering > compared to noble one when you extended you unconditional love and > help to one in need. Don't ask, just do it- if it feels right, it > is. Be grateful to the God who's given you opportunity to open your > heart and give and receive unselfishly. > > I guess we will get some explanation from others. This is how I > perceive 'my contract with God' and I have not only rational but > also 'VISCERAL' > proof that God has never, ever left me alone, never ever missed to > respond when I needed, and I hope I will be able to stay on the way > which strengthens my faith, be worth HIS help, and I give my life > to Him, where it belongs anyway, even when the night is dark and I > ask " Why me God " > > Thank you, > Anna varahamihira , " rohinipurang " > <rohinipurang> wrote: > > Dear gurus and friends > > > > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins > of > > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves > a > > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other. > > > > Thanks > > > > Rohini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Rao, No.1 and 2 are correct.Siddhi means one who attains some intution powers from his Ishta Devatha after Sadhana is completed. I hope this helps you. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Rao Nemani <raonemani wrote: Dear Guru Ji,Namaste,Can you please clarify the following words with the correct meaning for me/us:-1) Sadhana : A process of praying to Istha Devta2) Sadhaka : A person who undertakes this Sadhana3) Siddhi : A sadhaka can be called after successful completion of the Sadhana.Also, please include any other relevant words in thisSadhana/Siddhi process.Thanks for your help in advance.RegardsRaovarahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Rohiniji,> Yes to some extent.If a person is doing prayers or Jap on behalf of another person,then that person's bad karmas may affect unless the person praying should have a siddhi or Sadhana of his Ishta devatha.> I hope this helps you.> With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > rohinipurang <rohinipurang> wrote:> Dear gurus and friends> > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other.> > Thanks> > Rohini> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Dear Guru Ji, Thank you for the clarification. Regards Rao varahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Rao, > No.1 and 2 are correct.Siddhi means one who attains some intution powers from his Ishta Devatha after Sadhana is completed. > I hope this helps you. > With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, > Ramadas Rao. > > > Rao Nemani <raonemani> wrote: > Dear Guru Ji, > > Namaste, > > Can you please clarify the following words with the > correct meaning for me/us:- > > 1) Sadhana : A process of praying to Istha Devta > 2) Sadhaka : A person who undertakes this Sadhana > 3) Siddhi : A sadhaka can be called after successful > completion of the Sadhana. > > Also, please include any other relevant words in this > Sadhana/Siddhi process. > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > Regards > Rao > > varahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> > wrote: > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > > Dear Rohiniji, > > Yes to some extent.If a person is doing prayers or Jap on behalf > of another person,then that person's bad karmas may affect unless > the person praying should have a siddhi or Sadhana of his Ishta > devatha. > > I hope this helps you. > > With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > rohinipurang <rohinipurang> wrote: > > Dear gurus and friends > > > > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins > of > > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves > a > > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other. > > > > Thanks > > > > Rohini > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 Dear Ramdas Raoji, I think the last should be Siddha. Siddhi is the fruit of Sadhna. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao]Monday, September 01, 2003 11:49 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| praying for others OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Rao, No.1 and 2 are correct.Siddhi means one who attains some intution powers from his Ishta Devatha after Sadhana is completed. I hope this helps you. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Rao Nemani <raonemani wrote: Dear Guru Ji,Namaste,Can you please clarify the following words with the correct meaning for me/us:-1) Sadhana : A process of praying to Istha Devta2) Sadhaka : A person who undertakes this Sadhana3) Siddhi : A sadhaka can be called after successful completion of the Sadhana.Also, please include any other relevant words in thisSadhana/Siddhi process.Thanks for your help in advance.RegardsRaovarahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Rohiniji,> Yes to some extent.If a person is doing prayers or Jap on behalf of another person,then that person's bad karmas may affect unless the person praying should have a siddhi or Sadhana of his Ishta devatha.> I hope this helps you.> With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > rohinipurang <rohinipurang> wrote:> Dear gurus and friends> > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other.> > Thanks> > Rohini> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Chandrashekharji, Yes,Sidhi means fruits of Sadhana and by mistake,I wrote Siddhi is the one who gets fruits of Sadhana and he must be called as Siddha. Thanks for correcting me. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel wrote: Dear Ramdas Raoji, I think the last should be Siddha. Siddhi is the fruit of Sadhna. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao]Monday, September 01, 2003 11:49 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| praying for others OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Rao, No.1 and 2 are correct.Siddhi means one who attains some intution powers from his Ishta Devatha after Sadhana is completed. I hope this helps you. With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Rao Nemani <raonemani wrote: Dear Guru Ji,Namaste,Can you please clarify the following words with the correct meaning for me/us:-1) Sadhana : A process of praying to Istha Devta2) Sadhaka : A person who undertakes this Sadhana3) Siddhi : A sadhaka can be called after successful completion of the Sadhana.Also, please include any other relevant words in thisSadhana/Siddhi process.Thanks for your help in advance.RegardsRaovarahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Rohiniji,> Yes to some extent.If a person is doing prayers or Jap on behalf of another person,then that person's bad karmas may affect unless the person praying should have a siddhi or Sadhana of his Ishta devatha.> I hope this helps you.> With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> > rohinipurang <rohinipurang> wrote:> Dear gurus and friends> > When someone prays for somebody else, does the person who does the > praying have to undergo some kind of suffering due to the karma of > the other person? I mean is it something like taking on the sins of > another? By praying I do not mean simply beseeching the Lord to > help/heal so-and-so, but taking a sankalp of doing a particular > paath/puja for so many days etc so that the other person achieves a > particular goal, be it of health or wealth or any other.> > Thanks> > Rohini> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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