Permanent Residency Question ?

[Guest guest]

Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

 

Namaste,

 

Few days ago, one of my friends asked me to find out

when he will get his USA Permanent Residency ( also

called Green Card), which he applied some time ago.

He is very much worried about it.

 

I said, I will try to find out, but I am really not

for sure where to start the analysis. My initial

thoughts to solve his problem is as follows:-

 

* Green card is a arudha that shows permanancy in

settlement.

* Planets that show security and settlement,

* Looking at 8th house, as it is the 9th from the 12th

(residence abroad) and if there are benefics in the

8th that suggests good fortune abroad.

* Getting a green card is a government issue, a legal

issue having to do with authorities. That is very much

Jupiter and Saturn, but more Jupiter. Also the Sun to

some extent.

 

I am still not clear on this issue and need some help

in formalizing the principles behind the above.

 

So, may I request you to help me to understand the

principles one by one to look for a native's success

in getting the Permanent Residency.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Regards

Rao

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Nemani,

Jataka Parijata first house chapter, I think, gives various

combinations on foriegn travel and residence. It mentions to look for

benifics in 12th from Paka lagna. So the dasa of related to the same

can give the residency.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

[Guest guest]

Dear S. Prabhakaran Ji,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I agree with you, the first house and various combinations

on freigh travel and residence.

 

But you See, the native who is pursuing the Green Card for

USA, most of the time, they are already living in USA,

so they have already fulfilled the foreign travel and

residency criteria on a temporary basis.

But native is now looking for a stay in a permanent basis.

 

So, please tell me other principles I should be looking

into the getting the residency in a foreign country on a

permanent basis.

 

Hope I have made my question clear and request your help in

understanding this clearly.

 

Regards

Rao

varahamihira , " sanjayprabhakaran "

<sanjayp@s...> wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Nemani,

> Jataka Parijata first house chapter, I think, gives various

> combinations on foriegn travel and residence. It mentions to look

for

> benifics in 12th from Paka lagna. So the dasa of related to the

same

> can give the residency.

>

> Warm Regards

> S. Prabhakaran

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Nemani,

 

> I agree with you, the first house and various combinations

> on freigh travel and residence.

 

No. I said 12th from Paka Lagna not from lagna for 'Residency' not

for travel. Please read Jataka Parijata from where I am refereing.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay (P),

 

Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?

 

What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to

previous one?

 

Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the native

land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this issue-

if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12th

from Paka lagna?

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Anna

[Guest guest]

Dear Anna,

 

The dictum about 12th from Paka Lagna for foreign residency is given quite

elaborately in the Jataka Parijata. You may like to check up on that.

 

Sarbani

 

 

N.Anna [anmar]

Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:56 AM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

 

 

Dear Sanjay (P),

 

Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?

 

What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to

previous one?

 

Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the native

land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this issue-

if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12th

from Paka lagna?

 

Thanks,

Regards,

Anna

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

[Guest guest]

hamsa om soham

 

Dear Anna,

 

12th from lagna shows foreign travel, while 12th from paka lagna shows

permanent residency / citizenship. The former may be due to circumstances

(job transfer etc), but the later will be due to a conscious choice.

 

ajit

 

 

-

" N.Anna " <anmar

<varahamihira >

Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:55 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

 

 

> Dear Sanjay (P),

>

> Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?

>

> What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to

> previous one?

>

> Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the

native

> land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this

issue-

> if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12th

> from Paka lagna?

>

> Thanks,

> Regards,

> Anna

|Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sarabani,

Could you point me to the Adhyaya and Shloka of jataka Parijata please?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani]Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:32 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Anna,The dictum about 12th from Paka Lagna for foreign residency is given quiteelaborately in the Jataka Parijata. You may like to check up on that.SarbaniN.Anna [anmar]Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:56 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Sanjay (P),Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' toprevious one?Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the nativeland? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this issue-if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12thfrom Paka lagna?Thanks,Regards,Anna|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

[Guest guest]

Dear SarabaraniJih,

 

I guess you are right-

perhaps everything is 'written' somewhere /on Nadi leafs?/ and

all responses to all possible questions are most likely stored somewhere- why bother to have schools, courses, gurus, teachers, on anything, jyotish included. BTW, are you suggesting this forum is obsolete too? / too many 'infidels'?/

 

I was misinformed that jyotish has survived primarily due to 'oral' tradition of spreading knowledge, through centuries- well, well, back than they didn't know of S arabarani

Dear Chandrashekar, you are an experienced Jyotishi, perhaps you know better about this 'change of course' than I do?

Sanjay /R/ do you hear this? No more teachings, gurus, 'spreading' jyotish, just produce enough copies of books and tell us where leafs are stored.

 

I am glad to know that you know this much, S.S.- thanks for sharing

Anna

 

-

Chandrashekhar Sharma

varahamihira

Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:09 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

 

Dear Sarabani,

Could you point me to the Adhyaya and Shloka of jataka Parijata please?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani]Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:32 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Anna,The dictum about 12th from Paka Lagna for foreign residency is given quiteelaborately in the Jataka Parijata. You may like to check up on that.SarbaniN.Anna [anmar]Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:56 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Sanjay (P),Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' toprevious one?Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the nativeland? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this issue-if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12thfrom Paka lagna?Thanks,Regards,Anna|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Ajit,

Anna

-

" Ajit Krishnan " <astro

<varahamihira >

Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:06 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

 

 

> hamsa om soham

>

> Dear Anna,

>

> 12th from lagna shows foreign travel, while 12th from paka lagna shows

> permanent residency / citizenship. The former may be due to circumstances

> (job transfer etc), but the later will be due to a conscious choice.

>

> ajit

>

>

> -

> " N.Anna " <anmar

> <varahamihira >

> Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:55 AM

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

>

>

> > Dear Sanjay (P),

> >

> > Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?

> >

> > What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to

> > previous one?

> >

> > Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the

> native

> > land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this

> issue-

> > if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12th

> > from Paka lagna?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Regards,

> > Anna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/7/2003 11:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes:

 

Anna & Others,

 

Lagna: Scorpio

Paka lagna: Aquarius

 

I became a US citizen in Moon/Jupiter. Moon is lord of 9th from lagna and conjoined lord of 12th from Paka lagna in 10th house from L.

 

Jupiter is in the 12th to paka lagna, so both dasa lord and antardasa lord apply in this case.

 

Don't recall when I received my green card.

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

 

Dear Hari ,

 

My personal experience proves that- but I've seen charts with 12th H from

Lagna as well- which prevails?

In my case it's Paka lagna- interesting

 

From AV point of view, my 12th from lagna is the lowest bindus H- But 12th

from Paka L. is very strong-

However, it happens to be 4th from Lagna!

But since Paka lagna stands for 'desire', that may appear less scary to me.

 

Regards,

Anna

[Guest guest]

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Ajit and Anna,

 

I think I can confirm this from personal experience. My application

for permanent residency was approved during Ma-Ju. Ma is lagna lord

and Ju is 12th lord relative to paka lagna. I think I applied during

PAD of Ju but dont remember what was the PAD at the time of approval!

 

I admit I am kind of surprised to find that this is so

straightforward, at least based on the explanation given by Ajit!

 

Hope this helps.

 

regards

Hari

varahamihira , " Ajit Krishnan " <astro@m...>

wrote:

> hamsa om soham

>

> Dear Anna,

>

> 12th from lagna shows foreign travel, while 12th from paka lagna

shows

> permanent residency / citizenship. The former may be due to

circumstances

> (job transfer etc), but the later will be due to a conscious

choice.

>

> ajit

>

>

> -

> " N.Anna " <anmar@a...>

> <varahamihira >

> Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:55 AM

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

>

>

> > Dear Sanjay (P),

> >

> > Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign

residence?

> >

> > What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to

> > previous one?

> >

> > Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return

to the

> native

> > land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for

this

> issue-

> > if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/

4th/ 12th

> > from Paka lagna?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Regards,

> > Anna

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Hari ,

 

My personal experience proves that- but I've seen charts with 12th H from

Lagna as well- which prevails?

In my case it's Paka lagna- interesting

 

From AV point of view, my 12th from lagna is the lowest bindus H- But 12th

from Paka L. is very strong-

However, it happens to be 4th from Lagna!

But since Paka lagna stands for 'desire', that may appear less scary to me.

 

Regards,

Anna

 

-

" onlyhari " <onlyhari

<varahamihira >

Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:24 PM

|Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

 

 

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Ajit and Anna,

>

> I think I can confirm this from personal experience. My application

> for permanent residency was approved during Ma-Ju. Ma is lagna lord

> and Ju is 12th lord relative to paka lagna. I think I applied during

> PAD of Ju but dont remember what was the PAD at the time of approval!

>

> I admit I am kind of surprised to find that this is so

> straightforward, at least based on the explanation given by Ajit!

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> regards

> Hari

> varahamihira , " Ajit Krishnan " <astro@m...>

> wrote:

> > hamsa om soham

> >

> > Dear Anna,

> >

> > 12th from lagna shows foreign travel, while 12th from paka lagna

> shows

> > permanent residency / citizenship. The former may be due to

> circumstances

> > (job transfer etc), but the later will be due to a conscious

> choice.

> >

> > ajit

> >

> >

> > -

> > " N.Anna " <anmar@a...>

> > <varahamihira >

> > Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:55 AM

> > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

> >

> >

> > > Dear Sanjay (P),

> > >

> > > Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign

> residence?

> > >

> > > What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to

> > > previous one?

> > >

> > > Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return

> to the

> > native

> > > land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for

> this

> > issue-

> > > if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/

> 4th/ 12th

> > > from Paka lagna?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Regards,

> > > Anna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > |Om Tat Sat|

> > > http://www.varahamihira

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Brendan, Hari,

Ajit- no excuse with 12th from paka lagna, it seems- done in full consciousness and own decision- I'm wondering, if we accept what Ajit said, and the fact that paka lagna represents 'desire', as I thought,

than immigration is not 'fixed karma'?

 

Hmm..What choice did I have with personal traits I was born with, in the midst of the war and male child? Yet, "desire" is there- to have my child safe, but that's not relevant one for this issue.

 

Another, friends chart comes to my mind- 12th from Lagna,

-Ju and Moon; 12th from paka L. Saturn and Ketu in second- parents left native country for ever when she was a child.

I would like to hear what others think about this.

Thanks,

Anna

 

-

Bpfeeley

varahamihira

Monday, September 08, 2003 12:51 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

In a message dated 9/7/2003 11:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes:Anna & Others,Lagna: ScorpioPaka lagna: AquariusI became a US citizen in Moon/Jupiter. Moon is lord of 9th from lagna and conjoined lord of 12th from Paka lagna in 10th house from L.Jupiter is in the 12th to paka lagna, so both dasa lord and antardasa lord apply in this case.Don't recall when I received my green card.Regards,Brendan

Dear Hari ,My personal experience proves that- but I've seen charts with 12th H fromLagna as well- which prevails?In my case it's Paka lagna- interesting>From AV point of view, my 12th from lagna is the lowest bindus H- But 12thfrom Paka L. is very strong-However, it happens to be 4th from Lagna!But since Paka lagna stands for 'desire', that may appear less scary to me.Regards,Anna|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/8/2003 1:25:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes:

 

Anna,

 

And might not desire itself have something to do with karma?

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

Thanks Brendan, Hari,

Ajit- no excuse with 12th from paka lagna, it seems- done in full consciousness and own decision- I'm wondering, if we accept what Ajit said, and the fact that paka lagna represents 'desire', as I thought,

than immigration is not 'fixed karma'?

Hmm..What choice did I have with personal traits I was born with, in the midst of the war and male child? Yet, "desire" is there- to have my child safe, but that's not relevant one for this issue.

Another, friends chart comes to my mind- 12th from Lagna,

-Ju and Moon; 12th from paka L. Saturn and Ketu in second- parents left native country for ever when she was a child.

I would like to hear what others think about this.

Thanks,

Anna

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Anna,

Sorry for being so curt in my reply, but I am writting mails from

work So I dont have time to type down each shloka with it's

translation.

Varahamihira is a group for a little advanced students than the

SriJagannath list, here I suppose students are supposed to catch up

when given references to needed text. Giving references to needed

text itself is sometimes very useful, So I had given that.

When time permits maybe I will write a more detailed mail and post

to SriJagannath list.

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

[Guest guest]

Good point, Brendan-

as our personality

traits are our 'destiny' so can our desires be.

But is the later 'fixed' karma,

or do we have window, however small, to

impose our 'free-will'?

 

Eventually we always come to that 'core'

problem- we will never solve it, just learn to

grow by trying./?/

Thanks,

Anna

 

-

Bpfeeley

varahamihira

Monday, September 08, 2003 9:41 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

In a message dated 9/8/2003 1:25:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes:Anna,And might not desire itself have something to do with karma?Regards,Brendan

Thanks Brendan, Hari,Ajit- no excuse with 12th from paka lagna, it seems- done in full consciousness and own decision- I'm wondering, if we accept what Ajit said, and the fact that paka lagna represents 'desire', as I thought, than immigration is not 'fixed karma'? Hmm..What choice did I have with personal traits I was born with, in the midst of the war and male child? Yet, "desire" is there- to have my child safe, but that's not relevant one for this issue. Another, friends chart comes to my mind- 12th from Lagna,-Ju and Moon; 12th from paka L. Saturn and Ketu in second- parents left native country for ever when she was a child. I would like to hear what others think about this.Thanks,Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

[Guest guest]

Sanjay P.,

I didn't see any reply from you, other than this one,

what are you referring to?

I did get answers to my Qs, already, as you could see.

Thanks,

Anna

-

" sanjayprabhakaran " <sanjayp

<varahamihira >

Monday, September 08, 2003 9:54 AM

|Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

 

 

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Anna,

> Sorry for being so curt in my reply, but I am writting mails from

> work So I dont have time to type down each shloka with it's

> translation.

> Varahamihira is a group for a little advanced students than the

> SriJagannath list, here I suppose students are supposed to catch up

> when given references to needed text. Giving references to needed

> text itself is sometimes very useful, So I had given that.

> When time permits maybe I will write a more detailed mail and post

> to SriJagannath list.

> Warm Regards

> S. Prabhakaran

>

>

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

I am not carrying my JP here with me in the US, but if I remember correctly it is in the 3rd volume in the vyayabhava adhyaya. It talks of not only the 12th lord from paka lagna but the its dispositor as well, and quite a few combinations are given. Sanjay Prabhakaran and myself discussed it on the list (VA) a few months back and I think we had listed out some of those combinations. I trust you are well.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel]Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:10 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

Dear Sarabani,

Could you point me to the Adhyaya and Shloka of jataka Parijata please?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani]Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:32 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Anna,The dictum about 12th from Paka Lagna for foreign residency is given quiteelaborately in the Jataka Parijata. You may like to check up on that.SarbaniN.Anna [anmar]Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:56 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Sanjay (P),Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' toprevious one?Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the nativeland? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this issue-if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12thfrom Paka lagna?Thanks,Regards,Anna|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

[Guest guest]

Dear Sarabani,

I will try to find out the reference my self.I took a shortcut by asking you, but since you do not have your copy of JP it cannot be helped. When I find the reference I shall send the same to you.My reason of asking the question was that, if you think about it is is a variation of Aarudha principle. As not many astroligical texts, barring BPHS and Jaimini elaborate on it and that too sketchily, I thought this could help me understand the logic better.

I am keeping well nowadays and hope to meet you at next year's conference where I have to present a paper, if my health permits.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani]Monday, September 08, 2003 8:47 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

I am not carrying my JP here with me in the US, but if I remember correctly it is in the 3rd volume in the vyayabhava adhyaya. It talks of not only the 12th lord from paka lagna but the its dispositor as well, and quite a few combinations are given. Sanjay Prabhakaran and myself discussed it on the list (VA) a few months back and I think we had listed out some of those combinations. I trust you are well.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel]Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:10 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

Dear Sarabani,

Could you point me to the Adhyaya and Shloka of jataka Parijata please?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani]Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:32 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Anna,The dictum about 12th from Paka Lagna for foreign residency is given quiteelaborately in the Jataka Parijata. You may like to check up on that.SarbaniN.Anna [anmar]Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:56 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?Dear Sanjay (P),Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' toprevious one?Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the nativeland? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this issue-if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/ 4th/ 12thfrom Paka lagna?Thanks,Regards,Anna|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/8/2003 10:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes:

 

 

Anna,

 

We always have free will and I know you will have a response to this.

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

Good point, Brendan-

as our personality

traits are our 'destiny' so can our desires be.

But is the later 'fixed' karma,

or do we have window, however small, to

impose our 'free-will'?

Eventually we always come to that 'core'

problem- we will never solve it, just learn to

grow by trying./?/

Thanks,

Anna

[Guest guest]

NamasShivaaya!

 

Dear ChandraShekar ji and Others,

 

Namaste. In Jataka Parijatha, Adyaya 11 (volume III), chapter on

" First and Second Bhava phala " , four slokas starting from 22, talk

about Foreign residence.

 

I am typing the four verses, for the benefit of those that maynot

have JP...

 

Begin Quote from Jataka Parijatha *************

 

22) A person will abide in the place of his birth when a planet

occupying the 12th place from that of the lord of Lagna happens to be

in Exaltation, or in a friendly house or is aspected by a planet that

is friendly or is in exlatation or when that Rasi is occupied by a

friendly planet.

 

23) When the lord of the 12th house from that occupied by the lord of

the Lagna is the latter's enemy or is in depression or weak, the

person born goes to a foreign country. He will abide permenantly there

if the 'vyayapa' referred to above be aspected by venus in the

capacity of a friend. His haunt will be a small township if the same

Vyayapa be eclipsed by the Sun; if the Vyayapa be posessed of

strength, the haunt will be a wealthy municipality.

 

24) When the lord of the 12th place from that occupied by the lord of

the Lagna is in a kendra or Trikona from the 1st bhava, and in a Rasi

which is friend's house, it's own or it's exaltation sign and has

auspicious planets on each side, the person born will be a sojourner

in regions pleasing to the heart. If the vyayap referred to above be

aspected by Jupiter, the Moon or Venus, he goes to a charmingly

beautiful land; but if this Vyayapa occupy the 2nd place from the lord

of the Lagna and be un-friendly to the latter, the person will abide

in his Native land.

 

25) When a moveable sign is in the Lagna and it's lord is in a

moveable Rasi and aspected by planets occupying moveable Rasis, the

person born will have his fortune in a foreign country. When an

immoveable sign is in Lagna and it's Lord is also in an immoveable

sign and aspected by planets occupying immoveable signs the person

will be in his own country, exceedingly properous and posessed of

abundant wealth.

 

 

End Quote ***********

 

Although the fourth shloka above is not talking about 12th from

Paka lagna, the other three slokhas clearly indicate 12th house/Lord

from Paka lagna should be seen for foreign residence. Also, in ancient

times, going to foreign lands was probably considered as mis-fortune.

If Vyayapa is strong and friendly to Lagna lord then the native will

live in native land, if not, he will wander abount. And the type of

places (countries) he goes to is seen from the dignity of Vyayapa.

 

 

Hope this helps...

 

Best Regards,

-Suresh.

 

varahamihira , " Chandrashekhar Sharma "

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Sarabani,

> Could you point me to the Adhyaya and Shloka of jataka Parijata please?

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...]

> Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:32 PM

> varahamihira

> RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

>

>

> Dear Anna,

>

> The dictum about 12th from Paka Lagna for foreign residency is

given quite

> elaborately in the Jataka Parijata. You may like to check up on that.

>

> Sarbani

>

>

> N.Anna [anmar@a...]

> Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:56 AM

> varahamihira

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

>

>

> Dear Sanjay (P),

>

> Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?

>

> What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to

> previous one?

>

> Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the

> native

> land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this

> issue-

> if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/

4th/ 12th

> from Paka lagna?

>

> Thanks,

> Regards,

> Anna

|Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

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Dear Brendan,

 

I don't want to disappoint you- so here is my response /which will most likely disappoint you/.

If I were to write 'relationship dictionary words 'always, 'never' would be excluded- that simply

doesn't exist, and brings so much sorrow and harm in our lives.

I wish I could say everything is free will- that would suit me well.But IT'S NOT.

I am 'Kendra person, and I tend to behave as if everything depends

on my action, /my/ free will. Along my strong belief that everything is in God's hands.

 

Sometimes It doesn't work- I understand that it is not God's plan for me.

At least I am in peace with myself, that I did everything I could- no regret, no guilt, genuine acceptance instead.

 

Besides, how does your opinion fits Jyotish?

 

Reg

 

-

Bpfeeley

varahamihira

Monday, September 08, 2003 10:58 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?

In a message dated 9/8/2003 10:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes:Anna,We always have free will and I know you will have a response to this.Regards,Brendan

Good point, Brendan-as our personalitytraits are our 'destiny' so can our desires be.But is the later 'fixed' karma,or do we have window, however small, toimpose our 'free-will'? Eventually we always come to that 'core'problem- we will never solve it, just learn togrow by trying./?/Thanks,Anna |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

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Dear Sureshbabu,

An excellent effort. This has saved me a lot of bother. Thank you.

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sureshbabu Chandra [crsureshbabu]Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:16 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?NamasShivaaya!Dear ChandraShekar ji and Others, Namaste. In Jataka Parijatha, Adyaya 11 (volume III), chapter on"First and Second Bhava phala", four slokas starting from 22, talkabout Foreign residence. I am typing the four verses, for the benefit of those that maynothave JP...Begin Quote from Jataka Parijatha *************22) A person will abide in the place of his birth when a planetoccupying the 12th place from that of the lord of Lagna happens to bein Exaltation, or in a friendly house or is aspected by a planet thatis friendly or is in exlatation or when that Rasi is occupied by afriendly planet.23) When the lord of the 12th house from that occupied by the lord ofthe Lagna is the latter's enemy or is in depression or weak, theperson born goes to a foreign country. He will abide permenantly thereif the 'vyayapa' referred to above be aspected by venus in thecapacity of a friend. His haunt will be a small township if the sameVyayapa be eclipsed by the Sun; if the Vyayapa be posessed ofstrength, the haunt will be a wealthy municipality.24) When the lord of the 12th place from that occupied by the lord ofthe Lagna is in a kendra or Trikona from the 1st bhava, and in a Rasiwhich is friend's house, it's own or it's exaltation sign and hasauspicious planets on each side, the person born will be a sojournerin regions pleasing to the heart. If the vyayap referred to above beaspected by Jupiter, the Moon or Venus, he goes to a charminglybeautiful land; but if this Vyayapa occupy the 2nd place from the lordof the Lagna and be un-friendly to the latter, the person will abidein his Native land. 25) When a moveable sign is in the Lagna and it's lord is in amoveable Rasi and aspected by planets occupying moveable Rasis, theperson born will have his fortune in a foreign country. When animmoveable sign is in Lagna and it's Lord is also in an immoveablesign and aspected by planets occupying immoveable signs the personwill be in his own country, exceedingly properous and posessed ofabundant wealth.End Quote *********** Although the fourth shloka above is not talking about 12th fromPaka lagna, the other three slokhas clearly indicate 12th house/Lordfrom Paka lagna should be seen for foreign residence. Also, in ancienttimes, going to foreign lands was probably considered as mis-fortune.If Vyayapa is strong and friendly to Lagna lord then the native willlive in native land, if not, he will wander abount. And the type ofplaces (countries) he goes to is seen from the dignity of Vyayapa. Hope this helps...Best Regards,-Suresh.varahamihira , "Chandrashekhar Sharma"<boxdel> wrote:> Dear Sarabani,> Could you point me to the Adhyaya and Shloka of jataka Parijata please?> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani@s...]> Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:32 PM> varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?> > > Dear Anna,> > The dictum about 12th from Paka Lagna for foreign residency isgiven quite> elaborately in the Jataka Parijata. You may like to check up on that.> > Sarbani> > > N.Anna [anmar@a...]> Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:56 AM> varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Permanent Residency Question ?> > > Dear Sanjay (P),> > Would you expand on this? 12th from Paka lagna for foreign residence?> > What about 12th from lagna- is this 'secondary' to> previous one?> > Where would we get info if one will stay in 'foreign or return to the> native> land? What's the significance of AV bindus in 12th and 4th H for this> issue-> if 4th is much higher than 12th from Lagna- and happens to be/4th/ 12th> from Paka lagna?> > Thanks,> Regards,> Anna> > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat|> http://www.varahamihira> >

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In a message dated 9/9/2003 12:06:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes:

 

Anna,

 

I like to think our physical life/world is largely destiny but that we are 100% free to surrender our heart and mind to God at any time, any place but here again good spiritual samscaras from past lives can make this easier for us.

 

I think we agree on this.

 

Regards,

Brendan

 

Sometimes It doesn't work- I understand that it is not God's plan for me.

At least I am in peace with myself, that I did everything I could- no regret, no guilt, genuine acceptance instead.

Besides, how does your opinion fits Jyotish?

Reg