Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Dear Guru's and Learned Members, Namaste, I have understood the concepts,meaning and application of Lagna, Navamsa Lagna, Arudha Lagna, Sree Lagna, Ghatika Lagna, Hora Lagna and Paka Lagna. I have read some where about Bhava Lagna and would like to know more about this and its significance. May I request you to please explain briefly about Bhava lagna. Are there any other Lagna's, please educate me. RegardsRao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 In a message dated 9/21/2003 12:35:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, raon1008 writes: Namaste Rao, There are many different lagnas and in addition to what you mentioned, we have Swamsa, Karakamsa, Pranapada, Varnada and Vighati lagnas. We don't see much written about Bhava lagna but Sanjay has said something over the years. Others may know more than what I'm going to mention. As I understand it, the Bhava lagna has much to do with the spiritual body, the etheric realms, and it shows the evils as well as the good that influence us on the subtle spiritual levels. The predominant colors in the aura are to be seen from BL. Regards, Brendan Dear Guru's and Learned Members, Namaste, I have understood the concepts,meaning and application of Lagna, Navamsa Lagna, Arudha Lagna, Sree Lagna, Ghatika Lagna, Hora Lagna and Paka Lagna. I have read some where about Bhava Lagna and would like to know more about this and its significance. May I request you to please explain briefly about Bhava lagna. Are there any other Lagna's, please educate me. Regards Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes: Dear Chandrashekar & Rao, See BPHS, Ch 6 for GL, BL and HL. The calculation is based on Udaya lagna, the Sun's position at sunrise. It is not the same as lagna and is not the same as the lagna in Bhava Chalit chakra. The BL moves at the same speed as the lagna but is not the same. It moves through 12 signs or 12 bhavas in 24 hours and hence its name. The HL moves twice as fast as the BL, and the GL moves 2.5 times faster than the HL. This is what I understand. Regards, Brendan Dear Brendan/Rao, Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana(House) are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method, is my personal opinion. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 Dear Brendan/Rao, Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana(House) are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method, is my personal opinion. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Bpfeeley [bpfeeley]Monday, September 22, 2003 9:24 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?In a message dated 9/21/2003 12:35:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, raon1008 writes:Namaste Rao,There are many different lagnas and in addition to what you mentioned, we have Swamsa, Karakamsa, Pranapada, Varnada and Vighati lagnas.We don't see much written about Bhava lagna but Sanjay has said something over the years. Others may know more than what I'm going to mention. As I understand it, the Bhava lagna has much to do with the spiritual body, the etheric realms, and it shows the evils as well as the good that influence us on the subtle spiritual levels. The predominant colors in the aura are to be seen from BL.Regards,Brendan Dear Guru's and Learned Members,Namaste,I have understood the concepts,meaning and application of Lagna, Navamsa Lagna, Arudha Lagna, Sree Lagna, Ghatika Lagna, Hora Lagna and Paka Lagna. I have read some where about Bhava Lagna and would like to know more about this and its significance. May I request you to please explain briefly about Bhava lagna. Are there any other Lagna's, please educate me. RegardsRao|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar and Brendan, Thank you both for exchange on BL- it helps me a lot! with my desire to 'swallow' everything and to know everything, I forget advice from my knowledgeable jyotish fan and friend, that it takes more than one life time to learn jyotish. /Guy who ate his love, oh what a great exagerated symbolic of what happens to all of us, on much subtler level of course...all love is about warm place within us we vacanted for that what we love/ So I am not to be afraid if I expired before I know-all, I'll be back to jyotish, I am sure about that. Even so knowledgeable Chandrashekhar cannot know verything- I've heard many practising Jy. astrologers, good ones, not even heard of many many things, I as beginner know from this eclectic approach. I am not better astrologer than they are, though. Speaking of that, I know certain 'advanced'things very well, and find myself numerous times surprised that I do not know, understand the basic things./Not before this thread was I able to have that nice feeling of argala/Has that happened to you Chandrashekar? Brendan? Sarajit?..once upon a time. Good to have you here, My warmest wishes, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Dear Brendan, I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees. Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Bpfeeley [bpfeeley]Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:37 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes:Dear Chandrashekar & Rao,See BPHS, Ch 6 for GL, BL and HL. The calculation is based on Udaya lagna, the Sun's position at sunrise. It is not the same as lagna and is not the same as the lagna in Bhava Chalit chakra.The BL moves at the same speed as the lagna but is not the same. It moves through 12 signs or 12 bhavas in 24 hours and hence its name. The HL moves twice as fast as the BL, and the GL moves 2.5 times faster than the HL.This is what I understand.Regards,Brendan Dear Brendan/Rao,Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana(House) are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method, is my personal opinion.Regards,Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2003 Report Share Posted September 23, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar and Brendan, My programs give Bhava L. Taurus, consistently, and Cn Lagna -that's obviously what Brendan was referring to. I am wondering now why should any calculation be done if Bhava L=Lagna? As it seems to be the case in what Chandrashekhar is referring to. I would also appreciate if you and Brendan would give more details on Bhava L area of influence and its subtleties /one different from Lagna/ And if you don't mind my asking Chandrashekhar, what is Ganita part of astrology? And sure, nobody can know everything. Warmest wishes, Anna varahamihira@gro ups.com, " Chandrashekhar Sharma " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Brendan, > I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to > calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very > good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is > known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees. > Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Bpfeeley@A... [bpfeeley@A...] > Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:37 AM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? > > > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > boxdel writes: > > Dear Chandrashekar & Rao, > > See BPHS, Ch 6 for GL, BL and HL. The calculation is based on Udaya lagna, > the Sun's position at sunrise. It is not the same as lagna and is not the > same as the lagna in Bhava Chalit chakra. > > The BL moves at the same speed as the lagna but is not the same. It moves > through 12 signs or 12 bhavas in 24 hours and hence its name. The HL moves > twice as fast as the BL, and the GL moves 2.5 times faster than the HL. > > This is what I understand. > > Regards, > Brendan > > > Dear Brendan/Rao, > Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana (House) > are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of > Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken > to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method, > is my personal opinion. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 In a message dated 9/23/2003 7:58:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes: Namaste Chandrashekar, Do you have JHL? Look at the Bhava Lagna in the data section where all the other lagnas are given. What does it give for your own chart? Is it the same as lagna? Where does BL go in the different vargas? It is different from lagna! Regards, Brendan Dear Brendan, I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees. Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 In a message dated 9/23/2003 5:22:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, anmar writes: Dear Anna, Think of it this way. And remember I have not come across any application of BL from Sanjay or other renowned Jyotisha on the list, but if the BL shows the subtlest influences, the etheric body, and we see lots of good benefic grahas placed in BL with strength or aspecting BL, then we can surely say that the person is firmly grounded in his spiritual nature and his aura is pure and clean. If Jupiter, then the aura will be a deep yellow, the most spiritual of colors. This is my understanding. Regards, Brendan Dear Chandrashekhar and Brendan, My programs give Bhava L. Taurus, consistently, and Cn Lagna -that's obviously what Brendan was referring to. I am wondering now why should any calculation be done if Bhava L=Lagna? As it seems to be the case in what Chandrashekhar is referring to. I would also appreciate if you and Brendan would give more details on Bhava L area of influence and its subtleties /one different from Lagna/ And if you don't mind my asking Chandrashekhar, what is Ganita part of astrology? And sure, nobody can know everything. Warmest wishes, Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Anna, Ganita means mathematics so Ganita in Astrology is mathematical astrology or computational bit of astrology! Now whats the difference between Lagna and Bhava Lagna. We know that the ascension time of all the signs are not 2hrs and they vary. Some signs have longer ascension and some have shorter. The more we go in higher latitude the ascension time difference between the longer and shorter ascension signs increase. Now what if we move the lagna at the steady rate of 2 hrs or 5 ghatika for 1 sign from the Sunrise. This might or might not coincide with the lagna sign. In all cases however, the degrees would be different. Thus the bhava lagna is derived from the steady movement of the Lagna whereas the " Normal " Lagna moves based on the time of ascension of diffent signs which are not exactly 2 hrs each. For those who are interested in the Mathematical part of it. I am pasting an article on the same, I wrote long back… ------------------------------- Calculation of Lagna – Mathematical Way Before calculation of the lagna the following concepts to be understood. Palbha: When the saayana Sun is in the sign of Aries etc (i.e., when the day and the night is equal), the 12 Angul (fingers) shadow of Shankhu (a small stick used for this purpose) at midday is called Palbha. That palbha is placed at three places and is multiplied respectively by 10, 8 and 10/3, and then three charkhanda are obtained. Although the Palabha values can be found by doing the experiment on your own, for reference sake the palbha for different latitudes are as follows: Latitude Palbha Latitude Palbha 5 1:03:00 22 4:50:52 6 1:15:44 23 5:05:38 7 1:28:23 24 5:20:31 8 1:41:10 25 5:35:42 9 1:54:00 26 5:51:07 10 2:06:54 27 6:06:50 11 2:19:55 28 6:22:48 12 2:33:00 29 6:39:04 13 2:46:12 30 6:55:41 14 2:59:28 31 7:12:36 15 3:12:54 32 7:29:53 16 3:26:24 33 7:47:31 17 3:40:05 34 8:05:38 18 3:53:56 35 8:24:07 19 4:07:55 36 8:43:05 20 4:22:01 37 9:02:35 21 4:36:22 38 9:22:30 The Palbha of any intermediate latitude can be found by interpolation. For simplicity the formula is given below. Palbha (for Lat12) between Lat1 and Lat2 = Palbha (for Lat2)- Palbha (for Lat1) ------- * (Lat12 - Lat1) Lat2 -Lat1 Lankodaya: The rising periods of the signs does not change on the equator because the charkhanda there is zero. The rising period of the signs Aries etc., in order is as follows: 279, 299, 322, 322, 299, 279, 279, 299, 322, 322, 299 and 279. These rising periods are in Vighatika. (1 Vighatika = 24 seconds). Swodaya: Due to the spherical surface of the earth, the value of the rising periods of the signs change. The rising period change according to the charkhanda of the latitude of that place. The Swodaya of a place can be found in following way Zodiac signs Lankodaya (in Vighatika) Lankodaya (in Mins) Add/ Subtract Which Charkhanda ? Swoyodaya =Lankodaya ± charkhanda * Palbha Mesha 279 111.6 Subtract 10 Vrisha 299 119.6 -do- 8 Mithuna 322 128.8 -do- 10/3 Karkata 322 128.8 Add 10/3 Simha 299 119.6 -do- 8 Kanya 279 111.6 -do- 10 Tula 279 111.6 -do- 10 Vrischik 299 119.6 -do- 8 Dhanu 322 128.8 -do- 10/3 Capricorn 322 128.8 Subtract 10/3 Aquarius 299 119.6 -do- 8 Pisces 279 111.6 -do- 10 Calculation of Lagna: For calculation of the Lagna the Nirayana Sun is converted to Sayana Sun by subtracting the ayanamsa. Then the period to be covered by the Sun in that sign is found. This is done in following way. (30 - Sun’s Sayana longitude)/ 30 * Swodaya period of the Sun sign This amount is subtracted from the Istaghati, then subsequent swodaya periods are subtracted from the Istaghati until the reminder so obtained couldnot be reduced further. The reminder is the amount traversed by the Lagna in the sign which the reminder belongs to. The reminder is then converted to Longitude as follows: Reminder/ Swodaya * 30 = Longitude of Sayana Lagna in degrees and decimals Nirayana Lagna = Sayana Lagna – Ayanamsa Illustration: Lets find the Ascendant of a place having latitude of 23022’ North at 14:26 IST. First of all we have to find the Palbha at 23N22. This is done by interpolating the palbha at 23N00 (5:5:38) and 24N00 (5:20:31) Palbha at 23N22 = 5:5:38 +(5:20:31 - 5:5:38) * (23:22 - 23:00) = 5:11:6 (24:00- 23:00) 1st Charkhanda = 10 * 5:11:6 =51:50:54; 2nd charkhanda = 8 * 5:11:6 = 41:28:43; 3rd charkhanda = 10/3 * 5:11:6 = 17:16:58 Swodaya at 23N22 is as follows Cancer- 339.299, Leo-340.467, Virgo-330.85, Libra- 330.85, Scorpio- 340.467, Sagi- 339.28, Capri- 304.72 Sun’s Longitude at Birth: 4s 8:16”:48’ Ayanamsa: 23deg 30min Sayana Sun = Nirayana Sun - Ayanamsa = 3s 14deg 46.8min Period to be covered by the Sun in Cancer = (30-14:46.8)/30 * 339.299 =172.138. Istakal= 1342.5 pal -172.138-340.467-330.85-330.85 = 168.195 Period covered in Scorpio =168.195/340.467 *30 = 14:49”:13’ Nirayana Lagna = 14:49:13 + Ayanamsa (23:30) =8s 8:19”:13’ (Sagittarius) Illustration: Lets find the Ascendant of a place having latitude of 23022’ North at 14:26 IST. First of all we have to find the Palbha at 23N22. This is done by interpolating the palbha at 23N00 (5:5:38) and 24N00 (5:20:31) Palbha at 23N22 = 5:5:38 +(5:20:31 - 5:5:38) * (23:22 - 23:00) = 5:11:6 (24:00- 23:00) 1st Charkhanda = 10 * 5:11:6 =51:50:54; 2nd charkhanda = 8 * 5:11:6 = 41:28:43; 3rd charkhanda = 10/3 * 5:11:6 = 17:16:58 Swodaya at 23N22 is as follows Cancer- 339.299, Leo-340.467, Virgo-330.85, Libra- 330.85, Scorpio- 340.467, Sagi- 339.28, Capri- 304.72 Sun’s Longitude at Birth: 4s 8:16”:48’ Ayanamsa: 23deg 30min Sayana Sun = Nirayana Sun - Ayanamsa = 3s 14deg 46.8min Period to be covered by the Sun in Cancer = (30-14:46.8)/30 * 339.299 =172.138. Istakal= 1342.5 pal -172.138-340.467-330.85-330.85 = 168.195 Period covered in Scorpio =168.195/340.467 *30 = 14:49”:13’ Nirayana Lagna = 14:49:13 + Ayanamsa (23:30) =8s 8:19”:13’ (Sagittarius) Best Wishes Sarajit bona_mente [anmar] Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:21 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? Dear Chandrashekhar and Brendan, My programs give Bhava L. Taurus, consistently, and Cn Lagna -that's obviously what Brendan was referring to. I am wondering now why should any calculation be done if Bhava L=Lagna? As it seems to be the case in what Chandrashekhar is referring to. I would also appreciate if you and Brendan would give more details on Bhava L area of influence and its subtleties /one different from Lagna/ And if you don't mind my asking Chandrashekhar, what is Ganita part of astrology? And sure, nobody can know everything. Warmest wishes, Anna varahamihira@gro ups.com, " Chandrashekhar Sharma " <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Brendan, > I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to > calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very > good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is > known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees. > Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Bpfeeley@A... [bpfeeley@A...] > Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:37 AM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? > > > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > boxdel writes: > > Dear Chandrashekar & Rao, > > See BPHS, Ch 6 for GL, BL and HL. The calculation is based on Udaya lagna, > the Sun's position at sunrise. It is not the same as lagna and is not the > same as the lagna in Bhava Chalit chakra. > > The BL moves at the same speed as the lagna but is not the same. It moves > through 12 signs or 12 bhavas in 24 hours and hence its name. The HL moves > twice as fast as the BL, and the GL moves 2.5 times faster than the HL. > > This is what I understand. > > Regards, > Brendan > > > Dear Brendan/Rao, > Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana (House) > are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of > Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken > to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method, > is my personal opinion. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 In a message dated 9/24/2003 1:31:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, sarajit writes: Jaya Jagannatha Sarajit, Thanks for the clear explanation of calculation of BL. Yes, it always seem to hover around the lagna and this explains why. What do you know of its use in predictive astrology? Regards, Brendan Dear Anna, Ganita means mathematics so Ganita in Astrology is mathematical astrology or computational bit of astrology! Now whats the difference between Lagna and Bhava Lagna. We know that the ascension time of all the signs are not 2hrs and they vary. Some signs have longer ascension and some have shorter. The more we go in higher latitude the ascension time difference between the longer and shorter ascension signs increase. Now what if we move the lagna at the steady rate of 2 hrs or 5 ghatika for 1 sign from the Sunrise. This might or might not coincide with the lagna sign. In all cases however, the degrees would be different. Thus the bhava lagna is derived from the steady movement of the Lagna whereas the "Normal" Lagna moves based on the time of ascension of diffent signs which are not exactly 2 hrs each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Om Srim Dhlim Jyotir-Brahmaaya Namah Dear Anna Bhava Lagna or BL is based on the circle equidistant house zodiac i.e. One bhava = 2 hours exact formula. However, the Lagna is different as it is based on the ellipse. Brendan is right and this is a very basic concept. With Best Regards Sanjay Rath ---- varahamihira Tuesday, September 23, 2003 05:21:21 PM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? Dear Chandrashekhar and Brendan,My programs give Bhava L. Taurus, consistently, and Cn Lagna-that's obviously what Brendan was referring to. I am wondering now why should any calculation be done if Bhava L=Lagna? As it seems to be the case in what Chandrashekhar is referring to. I would also appreciate if you and Brendan would give more details on Bhava L area of influence and its subtleties /one different from Lagna/And if you don't mind my asking Chandrashekhar, what is Ganita part of astrology?And sure, nobody can know everything.Warmest wishes,Annavarahamihira@gro ups.com, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Brendan,> I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to> calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very> good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is> known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees.> Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Bpfeeley@A... [bpfeeley@A...]> Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:37 AM> varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?> > > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,> boxdel writes:> > Dear Chandrashekar & Rao,> > See BPHS, Ch 6 for GL, BL and HL. The calculation is based on Udaya lagna,> the Sun's position at sunrise. It is not the same as lagna and is not the> same as the lagna in Bhava Chalit chakra.> > The BL moves at the same speed as the lagna but is not the same. It moves> through 12 signs or 12 bhavas in 24 hours and hence its name. The HL moves> twice as fast as the BL, and the GL moves 2.5 times faster than the HL.> > This is what I understand.> > Regards,> Brendan> > > Dear Brendan/Rao,> Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana(House)> are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of> Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken> to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method,> is my personal opinion.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Dear Brendan, I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao, where he clearly states "Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the ordinary bookson Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day." Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the calculations therein. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Bpfeeley [bpfeeley]Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:09 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?In a message dated 9/23/2003 7:58:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes:Namaste Chandrashekar,Do you have JHL? Look at the Bhava Lagna in the data section where all the other lagnas are given. What does it give for your own chart? Is it the same as lagna? Where does BL go in the different vargas?It is different from lagna!Regards,Brendan Dear Brendan,I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees. Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge.Regards,Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Dear Anna, Here is what B.Suryanarayana Rao says in his commentary of Jaimini sutras. "Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the ordinary bookson Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day." As to calculations of BL in JHL , not knowing the parameters used therein; I would not like to comment. If we assume that Bhava Lagna be drawn in classic style and the difference arises due to Rasis not always rising at 5 Ghatika intervals as suggested in Bhavalagna calculations; the difference could be at the most one Rasi either way. The difference of 2 Rasis as in your case is beyond my understanding. Astrology consists of theree Skandhas or Pillars on which it rests. These are Ganita (Astronomy) Samhita (Related to various factors like rainfall, Agriculture predictions from various parts of body and other diferent subjects) and Hora ( The predictive part).An astrologer who is well versd in all three is known as Triskandha Jyotishi. Hope this helps. Chandrashekhar. bona_mente [anmar]Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:51 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?Dear Chandrashekhar and Brendan,My programs give Bhava L. Taurus, consistently, and Cn Lagna-that's obviously what Brendan was referring to. I am wondering now why should any calculation be done if Bhava L=Lagna? As it seems to be the case in what Chandrashekhar is referring to. I would also appreciate if you and Brendan would give more details on Bhava L area of influence and its subtleties /one different from Lagna/And if you don't mind my asking Chandrashekhar, what is Ganita part of astrology?And sure, nobody can know everything.Warmest wishes,Annavarahamihira@gro ups.com, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Brendan,> I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to> calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very> good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is> known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees.> Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Bpfeeley@A... [bpfeeley@A...]> Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:37 AM> varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?> > > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,> boxdel writes:> > Dear Chandrashekar & Rao,> > See BPHS, Ch 6 for GL, BL and HL. The calculation is based on Udaya lagna,> the Sun's position at sunrise. It is not the same as lagna and is not the> same as the lagna in Bhava Chalit chakra.> > The BL moves at the same speed as the lagna but is not the same. It moves> through 12 signs or 12 bhavas in 24 hours and hence its name. The HL moves> twice as fast as the BL, and the GL moves 2.5 times faster than the HL.> > This is what I understand.> > Regards,> Brendan> > > Dear Brendan/Rao,> Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana(House)> are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of> Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken> to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method,> is my personal opinion.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, Sri B.Suryanarain Rao is a great scholar without any doubt. Let us forget Jaimini and look at just Parasara. In BPHS, Parasara mentions in an early chapter (titled Visesha lagnas or special ascendants) how to calculate bhava lagna (BL), hora lagna (HL) and ghati[ka] lagna (GL). May be someone can quote the verses. The verses of Parasara are clear and have no scope for any kind of ambiguity. BL, HL and GL conjoin Sun at sunrise and move at the linear rates of 1 sign, 2 signs and 5 signs per 2 hours (respectively). While these lagnas have a linear motion, the normal lagna can have a non-linear motion. JHora and JHoraLite softwares follow Parasara's teaching. However, it is not clear what Parasara meant by sunrise. JHora gives 3 options for sunrise and scholars can experiment. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Brendan, > I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao, > where he clearly states > " Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the > ordinary books > on Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day. " > Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would > not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the > calculations therein. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Dear Narasimharaoji, I was not doubting your knowledge nor your skill in Ganita.I was just pointing out that I am not aware of the parameters used in JHL. I have already said that I am no an expert in Ganita Skandha. Again as Anna said that in her case she gets Taurus as BL and Cancer as Natal Lagna, logic dictates that this is not possible even if we take the difference in linear and nonlinear Rasi movements through the zodiac at Horizon. Another reason that I thought Bhava lagna is Natal lagna is that Parashara does not mention how to calculate Natal Lagna, nor does he elaborate on use of Bhava lagna. This surely is not an oversight on the part of the Great Sage. It therefore appealed to my Viveka that the Sage meant Natal Lagna by the term Bhava Lagna.I still hold that position. You have also,rightly, pointed out that sun rise is not defined by the Sage and that you have given three options for sunrise. Saantanam in his commentary on BPHS says that the 4 charts drawn for HL, GL,BL and Natal Lagna are to be assessed to find out results of Bhavas by referring to distance in degrees from Bhava sphuta. He says this is per special hints in Chaukhamba Benares edition. This is why in my original post I had said that it might be related to Bhavachalit Chart, which, I personally feel, has arisen out of Greek influence and not part of Arsha system followed in Vedic astrology. If you feel there is a flaw in my logic feel free to correct me as I am still learning the intricacies of Vedic astrology whichis clouded by too many editions and apabhransha of shlokas. With Regards, Chandrashekhar. pvr108 [pvr]Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:50 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Re: Bhava Lagna ? Namaste Chandrashekhar ji,Sri B.Suryanarain Rao is a great scholar without any doubt.Let us forget Jaimini and look at just Parasara. In BPHS, Parasaramentions in an early chapter (titled Visesha lagnas or specialascendants) how to calculate bhava lagna (BL), hora lagna (HL) andghati[ka] lagna (GL). May be someone can quote the verses.The verses of Parasara are clear and have no scope for any kind ofambiguity. BL, HL and GL conjoin Sun at sunrise and move at thelinear rates of 1 sign, 2 signs and 5 signs per 2 hours(respectively). While these lagnas have a linear motion, the normallagna can have a non-linear motion.JHora and JHoraLite softwares follow Parasara's teaching.However, it is not clear what Parasara meant by sunrise. JHoragives 3 options for sunrise and scholars can experiment.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> Dear Brendan,> I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao,> where he clearly states> "Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the> ordinary books> on Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day."> Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would> not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the> calculations therein.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Brendan, My knowledge of BL is only as much as you know that it shows the spiritual body or the Aura. More can be known only when Gurudev shares it… lol. Best Wishes Sarajit Bpfeeley [bpfeeley] Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:06 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? In a message dated 9/24/2003 1:31:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, sarajit writes: Jaya Jagannatha Sarajit, Thanks for the clear explanation of calculation of BL. Yes, it always seem to hover around the lagna and this explains why. What do you know of its use in predictive astrology? Regards, Brendan Dear Anna, Ganita means mathematics so Ganita in Astrology is mathematical astrology or computational bit of astrology! Now whats the difference between Lagna and Bhava Lagna. We know that the ascension time of all the signs are not 2hrs and they vary. Some signs have longer ascension and some have shorter. The more we go in higher latitude the ascension time difference between the longer and shorter ascension signs increase. Now what if we move the lagna at the steady rate of 2 hrs or 5 ghatika for 1 sign from the Sunrise. This might or might not coincide with the lagna sign. In all cases however, the degrees would be different. Thus the bhava lagna is derived from the steady movement of the Lagna whereas the " Normal " Lagna moves based on the time of ascension of diffent signs which are not exactly 2 hrs each. |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 In a message dated 9/24/2003 3:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes: Dear Chandrashekhar, I am now quoting Parasara. Chapter 5, Sloka 2-3: "BHAVA LAGNA: From Sunrise to the time of birth, every 5 ghatis (or 120 minutes) constitute one BL. Divide the time of birth (in ghatis, vighatis, etc) from Sun-rise by 5 and add the quotient to the Sun's longitude as at Sun rise." It is just as Sanjay and Narasimha already stated. Sanjay said, BL is based on the circle and the lagna on the ellipse and this makes sense. My lagna is 1 Sc 45 and my BL is 21 Sc 02. I was born in a far northern latitude, where the distortion is even greater. Regards, Brendan Dear Brendan, I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao, where he clearly states "Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the ordinary books on Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day." Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the calculations therein. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Chandrashekhar, You said… Again as Anna said that in her case she gets Taurus as BL and Cancer as Natal Lagna, logic dictates that this is not possible even if we take the difference in linear and nonlinear Rasi movements through the zodiac at Horizon. Lets calculate the Bhava Lagna for the chart and see where is comes. Sun’s Longitude at Sunrise at Birth = 8 Cp 59 = 9s 8:59 Time Elapsed after Sunrise = 16:00 – 7:00 = 9 hrs Move Lagna @ 2 hrs per Rasi we arrive at 4sign 15deg (4s 15:00) signs from solar longitude. Adding this to Sun’s longitude we get, 1s 23d 59m. If we start the Lagna from apparent rise of tip of the sun, which happens 4 min before the actual rise of the center, we have to move the lagna 4m back, which brings the BL to 1s 23d 55m and this is what JHORA shows exactly. I do not think there should be any confusion with the Lagna which is in Cancer. So I am not calculating it mathematically. Now what you say about the calculation! Is it possible or not to have BL and Lagna in Ta and Cn respectively? Mathematics doesn’t defy logic…. Presumptions does... :-) Now why the difference between the two so high! I have given the answer in my last mail on the topic… Best Wishes Sarajit Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] Thursday, September 25, 2003 4:10 AM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Bhava Lagna ? Dear Narasimharaoji, I was not doubting your knowledge nor your skill in Ganita.I was just pointing out that I am not aware of the parameters used in JHL. I have already said that I am no an expert in Ganita Skandha. Again as Anna said that in her case she gets Taurus as BL and Cancer as Natal Lagna, logic dictates that this is not possible even if we take the difference in linear and nonlinear Rasi movements through the zodiac at Horizon. Another reason that I thought Bhava lagna is Natal lagna is that Parashara does not mention how to calculate Natal Lagna, nor does he elaborate on use of Bhava lagna. This surely is not an oversight on the part of the Great Sage. It therefore appealed to my Viveka that the Sage meant Natal Lagna by the term Bhava Lagna.I still hold that position. You have also,rightly, pointed out that sun rise is not defined by the Sage and that you have given three options for sunrise. Saantanam in his commentary on BPHS says that the 4 charts drawn for HL, GL,BL and Natal Lagna are to be assessed to find out results of Bhavas by referring to distance in degrees from Bhava sphuta. He says this is per special hints in Chaukhamba Benares edition. This is why in my original post I had said that it might be related to Bhavachalit Chart, which, I personally feel, has arisen out of Greek influence and not part of Arsha system followed in Vedic astrology. If you feel there is a flaw in my logic feel free to correct me as I am still learning the intricacies of Vedic astrology whichis clouded by too many editions and apabhransha of shlokas. With Regards, Chandrashekhar. pvr108 [pvr] Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:50 AM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Re: Bhava Lagna ? Namaste Chandrashekhar ji, Sri B.Suryanarain Rao is a great scholar without any doubt. Let us forget Jaimini and look at just Parasara. In BPHS, Parasara mentions in an early chapter (titled Visesha lagnas or special ascendants) how to calculate bhava lagna (BL), hora lagna (HL) and ghati[ka] lagna (GL). May be someone can quote the verses. The verses of Parasara are clear and have no scope for any kind of ambiguity. BL, HL and GL conjoin Sun at sunrise and move at the linear rates of 1 sign, 2 signs and 5 signs per 2 hours (respectively). While these lagnas have a linear motion, the normal lagna can have a non-linear motion. JHora and JHoraLite softwares follow Parasara's teaching. However, it is not clear what Parasara meant by sunrise. JHora gives 3 options for sunrise and scholars can experiment. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Brendan, > I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao, > where he clearly states > " Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the > ordinary books > on Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day. " > Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would > not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the > calculations therein. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Sarajit, Namaste. > Now why the difference between the two so high! I have given the > answer in my last mail on the topic. What is the implication of such a difference in placement of BL and Lagna (L) with respect to general interpretation of the chart? I remember that my uncle when matching horoscopes used to first note where is the BL and L before proceeding. But somehow I never understood this logic. Could you please explain. Best Wishes Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 In a message dated 9/25/2003 4:33:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes: Namaste Chandrashekhar, I don't have the data for Anna! Anna, can you share your data or send it to me privately. If she was born in a northern latitude and a sign of slow ascention was rising it might explain. Regards, Brendan Dear Brendan, How do you then explain Taurus as Lagna and Cancer as BL in case of Anna ? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Dear Brendan, How do you then explain Taurus as Lagna and Cancer as BL in case of Anna ? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Bpfeeley [bpfeeley]Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:44 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?In a message dated 9/24/2003 3:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes:Dear Chandrashekhar,I am now quoting Parasara. Chapter 5, Sloka 2-3:"BHAVA LAGNA: From Sunrise to the time of birth, every 5 ghatis (or 120 minutes) constitute one BL. Divide the time of birth (in ghatis, vighatis, etc) from Sun-rise by 5 and add the quotient to the Sun's longitude as at Sun rise."It is just as Sanjay and Narasimha already stated. Sanjay said, BL is based on the circle and the lagna on the ellipse and this makes sense.My lagna is 1 Sc 45 and my BL is 21 Sc 02. I was born in a far northern latitude, where the distortion is even greater.Regards,Brendan Dear Brendan,I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao, where he clearly states"Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the ordinary bookson Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day."Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the calculations therein.Regards,Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Dear Sarajit, You have not given your opinion on B.Suryanarayan Rao,s commentary on Jaimini. Again why not calculate Lagna too which is also calculated mathematically, as you pointed out. This would rule out presumptions, as you have adviced. If I remember right the original question did not limit BL to BPHS only. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Sarajit Poddar [sarajit]Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:22 AMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Bhava Lagna ? || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Chandrashekhar, You said… Again as Anna said that in her case she gets Taurus as BL and Cancer as Natal Lagna, logic dictates that this is not possible even if we take the difference in linear and nonlinear Rasi movements through the zodiac at Horizon. Lets calculate the Bhava Lagna for the chart and see where is comes. Sun’s Longitude at Sunrise at Birth = 8 Cp 59 = 9s 8:59 Time Elapsed after Sunrise = 16:00 – 7:00 = 9 hrs Move Lagna @ 2 hrs per Rasi we arrive at 4sign 15deg (4s 15:00) signs from solar longitude. Adding this to Sun’s longitude we get, 1s 23d 59m. If we start the Lagna from apparent rise of tip of the sun, which happens 4 min before the actual rise of the center, we have to move the lagna 4m back, which brings the BL to 1s 23d 55m and this is what JHORA shows exactly. I do not think there should be any confusion with the Lagna which is in Cancer. So I am not calculating it mathematically. Now what you say about the calculation! Is it possible or not to have BL and Lagna in Ta and Cn respectively? Mathematics doesn’t defy logic…. Presumptions does... :-) Now why the difference between the two so high! I have given the answer in my last mail on the topic… Best Wishes Sarajit Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel] Thursday, September 25, 2003 4:10 AMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Bhava Lagna ? Dear Narasimharaoji, I was not doubting your knowledge nor your skill in Ganita.I was just pointing out that I am not aware of the parameters used in JHL. I have already said that I am no an expert in Ganita Skandha. Again as Anna said that in her case she gets Taurus as BL and Cancer as Natal Lagna, logic dictates that this is not possible even if we take the difference in linear and nonlinear Rasi movements through the zodiac at Horizon. Another reason that I thought Bhava lagna is Natal lagna is that Parashara does not mention how to calculate Natal Lagna, nor does he elaborate on use of Bhava lagna. This surely is not an oversight on the part of the Great Sage. It therefore appealed to my Viveka that the Sage meant Natal Lagna by the term Bhava Lagna.I still hold that position. You have also,rightly, pointed out that sun rise is not defined by the Sage and that you have given three options for sunrise. Saantanam in his commentary on BPHS says that the 4 charts drawn for HL, GL,BL and Natal Lagna are to be assessed to find out results of Bhavas by referring to distance in degrees from Bhava sphuta. He says this is per special hints in Chaukhamba Benares edition. This is why in my original post I had said that it might be related to Bhavachalit Chart, which, I personally feel, has arisen out of Greek influence and not part of Arsha system followed in Vedic astrology. If you feel there is a flaw in my logic feel free to correct me as I am still learning the intricacies of Vedic astrology whichis clouded by too many editions and apabhransha of shlokas. With Regards, Chandrashekhar. pvr108 [pvr]Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:50 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Re: Bhava Lagna ? Namaste Chandrashekhar ji,Sri B.Suryanarain Rao is a great scholar without any doubt.Let us forget Jaimini and look at just Parasara. In BPHS, Parasaramentions in an early chapter (titled Visesha lagnas or specialascendants) how to calculate bhava lagna (BL), hora lagna (HL) andghati[ka] lagna (GL). May be someone can quote the verses.The verses of Parasara are clear and have no scope for any kind ofambiguity. BL, HL and GL conjoin Sun at sunrise and move at thelinear rates of 1 sign, 2 signs and 5 signs per 2 hours(respectively). While these lagnas have a linear motion, the normallagna can have a non-linear motion.JHora and JHoraLite softwares follow Parasara's teaching.However, it is not clear what Parasara meant by sunrise. JHoragives 3 options for sunrise and scholars can experiment.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> Dear Brendan,> I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao,> where he clearly states> "Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the> ordinary books> on Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day."> Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would> not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the> calculations therein.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 Om Srim Dhlim Jyotir-Brahmaaya Namah Dear Chandrasekhar The distortion increases as we go to the northern latitudes. Perhaps that is why there is such a big gap between the BL and Lagna. The BL is separate and different from Lagna as it is mentioned under the chapter on special ascendants. This is also different from the chalita bhava chakra where Parasara advises 15 degrees on either side of the lagna sphuta to get the bhava sandhi's. What to do with it is another issue altogether. With Best Regards he timeSanjay Rath ---- varahamihira Thursday, September 25, 2003 04:28:42 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? Dear Brendan, How do you then explain Taurus as Lagna and Cancer as BL in case of Anna ? Regards, Chandrashekhar. Bpfeeley [bpfeeley]Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:44 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?In a message dated 9/24/2003 3:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, boxdel writes:Dear Chandrashekhar,I am now quoting Parasara. Chapter 5, Sloka 2-3:"BHAVA LAGNA: From Sunrise to the time of birth, every 5 ghatis (or 120 minutes) constitute one BL. Divide the time of birth (in ghatis, vighatis, etc) from Sun-rise by 5 and add the quotient to the Sun's longitude as at Sun rise."It is just as Sanjay and Narasimha already stated. Sanjay said, BL is based on the circle and the lagna on the ellipse and this makes sense.My lagna is 1 Sc 45 and my BL is 21 Sc 02. I was born in a far northern latitude, where the distortion is even greater.Regards,Brendan Dear Brendan,I would suggest you read commentary on Jaimini Sutras by B. Suryanarayanrao, where he clearly states"Bhava Lagna-used in Jaimini-means the ordinary Lagna as is mentioned in the ordinary bookson Astrology. The sign that rises at birth on any particular day."Your comments on above are solicited. As to BL calculations in JHL, I would not like to comment as I am not aware what parameters are used in the calculations therein.Regards,Chandrashekhar.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Om Srim Dhlim Jyotir-Brahmaaya Namah Dear Chandrasekharji A bit difficult for me to accept that statement given the clear teachings of Parasara and my understanding of the Jaimini Sutras are different. You have a deep reading of the various books no doubt. With Best Regards Sanjay Rath ---- varahamihira Thursday, September 25, 2003 04:28:41 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? Dear Sanjayji, While I accept the analogy as this is the right explaination of the concept of 5 Ghatis representing a Bhava per BPHS, what is your opinion on the remarks of B.Suryanarayan Rao in his commentary on Jamini Sutras that when Jaimini says Bhava Lagna he means natal Lagna only.Do you think he is wrong? Regards, Chandrahekhar. Sanjay Rath [srath]Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:37 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? Om Srim Dhlim Jyotir-Brahmaaya Namah Dear Anna Bhava Lagna or BL is based on the circle equidistant house zodiac i.e. One bhava = 2 hours exact formula. However, the Lagna is different as it is based on the ellipse. Brendan is right and this is a very basic concept. With Best Regards Sanjay Rath ---- varahamihira Tuesday, September 23, 2003 05:21:21 PM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ? Dear Chandrashekhar and Brendan,My programs give Bhava L. Taurus, consistently, and Cn Lagna-that's obviously what Brendan was referring to. I am wondering now why should any calculation be done if Bhava L=Lagna? As it seems to be the case in what Chandrashekhar is referring to. I would also appreciate if you and Brendan would give more details on Bhava L area of influence and its subtleties /one different from Lagna/And if you don't mind my asking Chandrashekhar, what is Ganita part of astrology?And sure, nobody can know everything.Warmest wishes,Annavarahamihira@gro ups.com, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Brendan,> I think you are reffering to Chapter 5 shloka 2 and 3.Kindly try to> calculate bhava lagna as given therein.As I have always said I am not very> good at Ganita part of astrology, but I am certain you will get what is> known as Ascendant or Lagna only. Use Nirayana spashta Sun rising degrees.> Correct me if I am wrong as it will add to my knowledge.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Bpfeeley@A... [bpfeeley@A...]> Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:37 AM> varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Bhava Lagna ?> > > In a message dated 9/22/2003 4:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,> boxdel writes:> > Dear Chandrashekar & Rao,> > See BPHS, Ch 6 for GL, BL and HL. The calculation is based on Udaya lagna,> the Sun's position at sunrise. It is not the same as lagna and is not the> same as the lagna in Bhava Chalit chakra.> > The BL moves at the same speed as the lagna but is not the same. It moves> through 12 signs or 12 bhavas in 24 hours and hence its name. The HL moves> twice as fast as the BL, and the GL moves 2.5 times faster than the HL.> > This is what I understand.> > Regards,> Brendan> > > Dear Brendan/Rao,> Bhava lagna, logically should be same as Lagna.Bhava and sthana(House)> are used interchaneably in standard texts.The term is also used in case of> Bhavachalit Kundali, where 15degrees either of riising sign degree is taken> to be one Bhava.That this (Bhavachalita) is not the standard Vedic method,> is my personal opinion.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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