Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Dear Visti, Namaste. > However as you have taught in the past, any offerings to > the deity must have the ending syllable -aya Nope, I never taught that offerings must end in -aya. I must have taught that offerings must end in the shashthi (6th) vibhakti form of the word involved. That form happens to have -aya in several cases, but not all. I am giving some examples of the 6th vibhakti form (offering form) below. Note that they don't necessarily end in -aya always. Root Normal reference Offering form (1st vibhakti) (6th vibhakti) raama raamah raamaaya krishna krishnah krishnaaya hari harih haraye guru guruh gurave vishnu vishnuh vishnave taaraa taaraa taaraayai lakshmee lakshmee lakshmyai gouree gouree gouryai aatman aatmaa aatmane brahman brahmaa brahmane tejas tejah tejase etc etc. The offering form is always the 6th vibhakti form. It ends in -aya for masculine words that end in " ah " . Words ending in something else have other offering forms. In the case of brahman or brahmaa, it is " brahmane " . Hope this helps. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > |Brihaspatim Varenyam| > Dear Narasimha, Namaste. > I have a request in this regard. > There are various mantras; Om Paramatmane... Om Atmane.. etc. However as you have taught in the past, any offerings to the deity must have the ending syllable -aya, i.e. atmaaya, or paramatmaaya. Why are these excluded in these cases? As you mentioned presently - Brahmane. > > If indeed these mantras should be 'brahmane, atmane, paramatmane...' then are they still an offering to the deity in its name? > Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 OM Dear Narasimhaji, I am sure, you know that the offerings end in the chathurthee vibhakti ( 4th vibhakti )form of the word ( shabda) involved. In the example you have rightly given the 4th vibhakti forms of the words involved. Perhaps while writing the mail, you were unmindful ( smile ). With warm regards Dilip Banerjee - pvr108 varahamihira Friday, September 26, 2003 7:26 AM |Sri Varaha| Re: Manthra-Gurudeva (to Visti) Dear Visti,Namaste.> However as you have taught in the past, any offerings to> the deity must have the ending syllable -ayaNope, I never taught that offerings must end in -aya.I must have taught that offerings must end in the shashthi (6th) vibhakti form of the word involved. That form happens to have -aya in several cases, but not all.I am giving some examples of the 6th vibhakti form (offering form) below. Note that they don't necessarily end in -aya always.Root Normal reference Offering form (1st vibhakti) (6th vibhakti)raama raamah raamaayakrishna krishnah krishnaayahari harih harayeguru guruh guravevishnu vishnuh vishnavetaaraa taaraa taaraayailakshmee lakshmee lakshmyaigouree gouree gouryaiaatman aatmaa aatmanebrahman brahmaa brahmanetejas tejah tejaseetc etc. The offering form is always the 6th vibhakti form. It ends in -aya for masculine words that end in "ah". Words ending in something else have other offering forms. In the case of brahman or brahmaa, it is "brahmane".Hope this helps.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> |Brihaspatim Varenyam|> Dear Narasimha, Namaste.> I have a request in this regard.> There are various mantras; Om Paramatmane... Om Atmane.. etc. However as you have taught in the past, any offerings to the deity must have the ending syllable -aya, i.e. atmaaya, or paramatmaaya. Why are these excluded in these cases? As you mentioned presently - Brahmane.> > If indeed these mantras should be 'brahmane, atmane, paramatmane...' then are they still an offering to the deity in its name?> Best wishes, Visti.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Dear Dilip ji, You are absolutely right. The 6th vibhakti is the possessive form (his, her etc) and 4th vibhakti is the offering form (to him, to her). I don't know why I kept saying 6th, 6th. In my previous mails, please replace 6th with 4th. Other things stay the same. All the examples given were right. Just the number mentioned was wrong. Thank you for the correction. At your service, Narasimha > Dear Narasimhaji, > > > I am sure, you know that the offerings end in the chathurthee vibhakti ( 4th vibhakti )form of the word ( shabda) involved. In the example you have rightly given the 4th vibhakti forms of the words involved. > > Perhaps while writing the mail, you were unmindful ( smile ). > > With warm regards > Dilip Banerjee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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