Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Gurus, A while back there was a debate on the use of the 2nd or 3rd Upapadas and fasting. If I recall there was agreement that the original Upapada was to be used for determining fasting day.My question is on the manthra for the 2nd Lord from UL. Should the original UL be used for determining the 2nd Lord for manthras ? I have been using the subsequent UL's and the respective 2nd Lord for manthras while sticking to prescribing fasting on the day of the Gaunapada. I would appreciate some direction in this regard.Thanks a lot. Hare Krishna SudharsanPlease Chant ---- HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE and Be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Dear Sudharshan, All remedies are to be reckoned from the original UL, as it is the root. The root needs to be watered. So fasting and mantras and whatever remedies are prescribed are reckoned from the original UL and its 2nd lord. Mantras for the 2nd lord of the UL are for the sustenance of marriage. Best regards, Sarbani Sudharsan Srinivasan [sudhar108]Monday, September 29, 2003 9:23 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Upapada and Manthra Hare Rama Krishna Dear Gurus, A while back there was a debate on the use of the 2nd or 3rd Upapadas and fasting. If I recall there was agreement that the original Upapada was to be used for determining fasting day.My question is on the manthra for the 2nd Lord from UL. Should the original UL be used for determining the 2nd Lord for manthras ? I have been using the subsequent UL's and the respective 2nd Lord for manthras while sticking to prescribing fasting on the day of the Gaunapada. I would appreciate some direction in this regard.Thanks a lot. Hare Krishna Sudharsan Please Chant ---- HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE and Be happy|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani ji, Upapada of rasi is part of the maya at the physical level too, just like other upapada successions. Is it really appropriate to look at the first UL in rasi as the " root " and other UL's as branches of the tree coming from the root? Is the first UL really the root or just the first branch of the tree stemming from the root of one's dharma? If somebody looks at the 9th (and perhaps UL) in navamsa as the real root of the tree of one's marriage and looks at UL in rasi as the first branch of the tree coming from that root and the second UL (if there is one) as the new branch coming when the first branch is pruned and so on, is that that the wrong way to look at it? I am trying to reconcile what Sanjay ji explicitly told me last year and what you are saying (which must too have been explicitly told to you by Sanjay ji). At your service, Narasimha > Dear Sudharshan, > > All remedies are to be reckoned from the original UL, as it is the root. The > root needs to be watered. So fasting and mantras and whatever remedies are > prescribed are reckoned from the original UL and its 2nd lord. Mantras for > the 2nd lord of the UL are for the sustenance of marriage. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna dear sir, can you pl give us guidence how to choose mantra from horoscope ?. this will the great help for the students like me thanking you, hari om nahmo narayana n.rajagoopalan --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Dear Sudharshan, > > All remedies are to be reckoned from the original > UL, as it is the root. The > root needs to be watered. So fasting and mantras and > whatever remedies are > prescribed are reckoned from the original UL and its > 2nd lord. Mantras for > the 2nd lord of the UL are for the sustenance of > marriage. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > > Sudharsan Srinivasan > [sudhar108] > Monday, September 29, 2003 9:23 AM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Upapada and Manthra > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Gurus, > > A while back there was a debate on the use of the > 2nd or 3rd Upapadas and > fasting. If I recall there was agreement that the > original Upapada was to be > used for determining fasting day.My question is on > the manthra for the 2nd > Lord from UL. > > Should the original UL be used for determining the > 2nd Lord for manthras ? I > have been using the subsequent UL's and the > respective 2nd Lord for manthras > while sticking to prescribing fasting on the day of > the Gaunapada. > > I would appreciate some direction in this > regard.Thanks a lot. > > Hare Krishna > > Sudharsan > > > > Please Chant ---- > > HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA > KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE > HARE RAMA HARE RAMA > RAMA RAMA HARE HARE > > and Be happy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Om Namashchandikayai Dear Narasimha, The question seems to be as to what is the root. Is it the UL in rashi or is it the 9th house or UL in navamsha. If you take the navamsha as the root then surely the UL in the rashi is a branch. Undoubtedly, the navamsha reflects our past lives, but isn't rashi the " root " chart, and the navamsha a derivative of it, albeit a quintessential one? Hence most remedies are given from the reference point of the rashi chart, although I know there is a practice of worshipping deities with reference to the vargas. I have been following the UL in the rashi principle, as I have heard Sanjayji say so many times in class and to many of his students. I agree that we should reconcile as to what is the root...the navamsha or the rashi, since you have been told otherwise. I do agree that per se, upapada is maya; but it is also the tangible manifestation of 12th house matters. Best regards, Sarbani pvr108 [pvr] Monday, September 29, 2003 1:40 PM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Re: Upapada and Manthra Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani ji, Upapada of rasi is part of the maya at the physical level too, just like other upapada successions. Is it really appropriate to look at the first UL in rasi as the " root " and other UL's as branches of the tree coming from the root? Is the first UL really the root or just the first branch of the tree stemming from the root of one's dharma? If somebody looks at the 9th (and perhaps UL) in navamsa as the real root of the tree of one's marriage and looks at UL in rasi as the first branch of the tree coming from that root and the second UL (if there is one) as the new branch coming when the first branch is pruned and so on, is that that the wrong way to look at it? I am trying to reconcile what Sanjay ji explicitly told me last year and what you are saying (which must too have been explicitly told to you by Sanjay ji). At your service, Narasimha > Dear Sudharshan, > > All remedies are to be reckoned from the original UL, as it is the root. The > root needs to be watered. So fasting and mantras and whatever remedies are > prescribed are reckoned from the original UL and its 2nd lord. Mantras for > the 2nd lord of the UL are for the sustenance of marriage. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Sarbani and Narasimha, Namaste. I have been following this interesting conversation and here is my two cents worth. Why cant we take the root and stem to represent the whole D-1 (rashi) with the root possibly representing lagna (if the root is strong, the plant as a whole flourishes). Then the different branches would represent the other divisional charts. From each one of these branches or stem would come roots hanging in the air (as in the case of banyan tree). These secondary roots derive their sustenance from the air (maya) and can be equated to the arudha padas for the concerned houses. These secondary roots can be also nourished by the ether (mantras). Now we have to think what the secondary root representing UL means. I favor the simplest physical analogy of opting for the UL root deriving from the branch representing D-9 which has its node at that portion of the stem dealing with the 9th house of D-1. Thus I seem to go with Narasimha's objection for the present. Let me know if this analogy makes sense or not. regards Hari varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Om Namashchandikayai > > Dear Narasimha, > > The question seems to be as to what is the root. Is it the UL in rashi or is > it the 9th house or UL in navamsha. If you take the navamsha as the root > then surely the UL in the rashi is a branch. Undoubtedly, the navamsha > reflects our past lives, but isn't rashi the " root " chart, and the navamsha > a derivative of it, albeit a quintessential one? Hence most remedies are > given from the reference point of the rashi chart, although I know there is > a practice of worshipping deities with reference to the vargas. I have been > following the UL in the rashi principle, as I have heard Sanjayji say so > many times in class and to many of his students. I agree that we should > reconcile as to what is the root...the navamsha or the rashi, since you have > been told otherwise. I do agree that per se, upapada is maya; but it is also > the tangible manifestation of 12th house matters. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > pvr108 [pvr@c...] > Monday, September 29, 2003 1:40 PM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Re: Upapada and Manthra > > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Sarbani ji, > > Upapada of rasi is part of the maya at the physical level too, just > like other upapada successions. Is it really appropriate to look at > the first UL in rasi as the " root " and other UL's as branches of the > tree coming from the root? Is the first UL really the root or just > the first branch of the tree stemming from the root of one's dharma? > If somebody looks at the 9th (and perhaps UL) in navamsa as the real > root of the tree of one's marriage and looks at UL in rasi as the > first branch of the tree coming from that root and the second UL (if > there is one) as the new branch coming when the first branch is > pruned and so on, is that that the wrong way to look at it? > > I am trying to reconcile what Sanjay ji explicitly told me last year > and what you are saying (which must too have been explicitly told to > you by Sanjay ji). > > At your service, > Narasimha > > > Dear Sudharshan, > > > > All remedies are to be reckoned from the original UL, as it is the > root. The > > root needs to be watered. So fasting and mantras and whatever > remedies are > > prescribed are reckoned from the original UL and its 2nd lord. > Mantras for > > the 2nd lord of the UL are for the sustenance of marriage. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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