Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

October 27, 2003

Dear Ramesh,

Sorry, no.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,,

Narasimha

> Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

>

> Dear Shri Narasimhaji,

>

> " JHora latest version has a feature which can show any

> special longitude you enter in all charts. Robert was talking about

> that. "

>

> Is the above option available in the latest free version too? I

shall

> appreciate guidance to use it.

>

> Best Regards

> Ramesh

>

> pvr108 [pvr@c...]

> Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:23 PM

> varahamihira

> |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the

purpose of

> life

>

> Dear Anna,

>

> Check out

>

> varahamihira/message/10739

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> > Dear Narasimha,

> > Would you please explain " that the exact

> > longitude of " bhukta tithi sphuta " can be worked out and

> > its placement in various divisions can be examined to

> > clearly understand the purpose of one's creation.'

> >

> > In all examples I've seen rasi only, irrespectively of points?

> > How would exact points in various vargas add new quality of

> interpretation- other than rashi placement alone? Do you

> assume 'potential aspects' or..

>

October 27, 2003

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> Dear Jay,

> I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is

fetching

> theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka

might be

> happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think

> whether we are really serving the science by this.

> Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's

knowledge nor

> is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of

life to

> clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and

Punya ?

> Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and

Ishta

> devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to

> Shiva's form only ?

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar..

I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of

words in response.

The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of

life is to get moksha.

But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their

energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that

the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

each incarnation.

Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of

the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.

Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another

religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we

understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand

the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and

various jyotirlingas.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

October 27, 2003

Dear Narasimha,

You wrote:

" >The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> each incarnation. " .

I fully agree to the part following 'But..', but do you mean to imply that

ALL living souls were/are/will be " past sinners " ?

That leaves us with no good souls here on earth...

Warm regards

Jay Weiss

-

" pvr108 " <pvr

Monday, October 27, 2003 12:50 AM

|Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

>

> > Dear Jay,

> > I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is

> fetching

> > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka

> might be

> > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think

> > whether we are really serving the science by this.

> > Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's

> knowledge nor

> > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of

> life to

> > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and

> Punya ?

> > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and

> Ishta

> > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to

> > Shiva's form only ?

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar..

>

> I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of

> words in response.

>

> The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of

> life is to get moksha.

>

> But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their

> energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that

> the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> each incarnation.

>

> Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of

> the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.

>

> Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another

> religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we

> understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand

> the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and

> various jyotirlingas.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

October 27, 2003

Hare Rama Krsna

Yes, the Jyotirlinga are not a simple way to see the life purpose, the whole

chart is the reason for incarnating. They are showing a higher purpose in life

beyond what we are incarnating for. We still need to see a person’s dharma,

artha, kama, moksa, and everything associated with that in the chart. The Ishta

guides our Atman to moksa (as it is seen from the 12th to karakamsa-

jivanmuktamsa). The Ishta is to be worshiped everyday (esp. in the mornings),

no matter the rupa it is connected to Visnu. The Jyotirlinga is the light

inside us always, and we can be aware of it always, it is connected to the AK,

the light that illuminates the individual atmam. It is connected to Shiva. External

worship of the Jyotirlinga for the average person can be done on Mondays.

Namah Shivaya

Freedom

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Chandrashekhar Sharma

[boxdel]

Saturday, October 25, 2003

4:11 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Dear Jay,

I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is fetching theories

too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka might be happy knowing

some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think whether we are really

serving the science by this.

Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's knowledge nor is it

my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of life to clear off

the account of our previous life balance of Papa and Punya ? Again , how do we

rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and Ishta devata worship indicated by

Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to Shiva's form only ?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar..

J. Weiss wrote:

Dear Narasimha, Sarajit and members,

Indeed another fascinating topic of

Jyotish but doesn't that 'simply' leave us (again?) with only 12 groups of

" purpose of this life " ?

Please enlighten me/us.

Kindest regards

Jay Weiss

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Ramesh Gangaramani

varahamihira

Thursday,

October 23, 2003 9:30 AM

RE: |Sri

Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Satyam Bruyat

Priyam Bruyat

Dear

Sarajitji,

I would like

to know my purpose of life too. My tithi left is 2.78%, hence spent is 97.22%.

As per this my Jyotirlingam will be indicated by 12th sign which is Pisces! I

am a Leo lagna and Pisces is my 8th house. What would be the purpose of my

life?

One of the

earlier mails indicated Triyambekshwara as my Jyotirlinga that I should pray.

Is that right?

Thank you for

your help and kind regards

Ramesh

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit]

Thursday, October 23, 2003

9:27 AM

varahamihira

RE: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Dilipda,

The percentage of Tithi already spent is 86.23% according to your

calculation. Just find what is 86.23% of 12 and you have 10.34 as the reminder.

Round up and you have 11 as the Jyotirlingam indicating sign. This is kedarnath

as you said and represent 5th house. The mission is knowledge and

mantra. What else? See what else is indicated by placement of the planets there

and the aspects!

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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drdilip [drdilip]

Wednesday, October 22, 2003

7:35 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

II NAMAH SHIVAAYA II

Dear Narasimha ji

Namaste,

Any topic of jyotish gets a new dimension and a higher meaning

when you explain. Thanks for explaining so nicely!

In my chart, JHL 5 shows krishna saptami and 13.77 % of it is left.

This is subtracted from 100 , and we get 86.23. 86.23*3= 258.69. Dividing

it by 25 , we get 10 and some fraction, rounding it up, we get 11. Thus the

sign in my case is aquarius. The jyotirlinga is kedarnath.

Aquarius is my 5th house in rasi chart. What is the purpose then of

my creation? Mantra sadhana ? Devotion to Lord ? Please explain.

Warm regards

Dilip Banerjee.

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pvr108

varahamihira

Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:07 AM

|Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga &

the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om

Namashshivaayai Cha Namashshivaaya

Dear Karen,

Namaste.

As the mantra I wrote at the beginning says, Moon and Sun symbolize

Shivaa (Parvati) and Shiva respectively. It is their union that

produces us all, for various purposes. Your mail captured it well

and you remembered Sanjay's teaching so well.

BTW, there is an easier way to compute this, if you have JHLite.

In JHora or JHoraLite, look at the % of tithi left (both give it).

Subtract the number from 100. Multiply the result with 3. Divide the

resulting number by 25 and round it up to get an integer. That gives

the index to the sign (1=Ar, 2=Ta and so on).

Example: In my chart, JHoraLite shows Krishna Chaturdasi and shows

the % of tithi left as 85.99%. Now, subtracting 85.99 from 100, I

get 100-85.99=14.01. Multiplying with 3, I get 14.01x3=42.03.

Dividing 42.03 by 25, I get (1+some fraction). Rounding it *up*, the

integer I get is 2. So the sign in my case is Taurus (2nd sign).

This sign shows the purpose of one's creation. In my case, Taurus is

my 9th house as well as Lagnamsaka. It shows dharma as the purpose

of my creation by my parents.

Sanjay spoke on this in great detail last year at the west coast

seminar too. Get those CDs from Lakshmi!

There is one more thing. I don't remember if this was recorded in

any of the CD's or not, but Sanjay mentioned using AK and AmK

instead of Sun and Moon too (I remember that the first time Sanjay

mentioned it was when we were all driving to Lakshmi's house one

evening for dinner, but he may have mentioned it in a subsequent

class too. I am not sure). Sun and Moon show the natural

(naisargika/viswa/universal) atma and mana. They are relevant as far

as creation (nisarga) is concerned. Naisargika karakatwas are lorded

by Brahma, while chara karakwas are ruled by Vishnu. The individual

atma and mana are shown by AK and AmK. They are more relevant as far

as one's activities and spiritual progress are concerned (which are

a Vishnu thing and not a Brahma thing)!!

Sanjay mentioned doing similar calculations based on AK and AmK too.

I leave it to you to interpret this...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> II OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA II

>

> Dear Dr. Dilip,

>

> I heard Sanjay-ji speak of this in this year's East Coast

conference briefly. This is what I remember and I hope any errors

will be corrected.

>

> One tithi is defined as 12 degrees of movement of the Moon with

respect to the Sun. Each of the 12 degrees that make up a

single

tithi can be assigned to each of the 12 rasi depending on the

portion of the tithi that has passed. The sign of the derived rasi

will determine the jyotirlinga.

>

> Sanjay-ji used his own chart as an example. The chart is

attached for reference in .jhd format.

>

> Moon 19 Aq 58= 319.81 degrees

> Sun 21Cn 05= 111.07

>

> moon-sun= 208.8/ 12 degrees=

>

> 17.408

>

> So 17 tithis have passed and is currently in 18 tithi. Or in

other words, 3rd day of the dark half subtracting 15.

Most

software will do this part..

>

> 17 tithis x 12 degree/tithi = 204

> 208.8- 204= 4.4 degrees into the tithi

> Converting this to signs starting from Aries. Fours have passed

and the correct sign based on janma tithi is 5 sign i.e Leo.

>

> The jyotirlinga for Leo, as given in VRA is Dhusaneswar.

>

> This is my understanding of how the jyotirlinga of the tithi is

computed. You helped me by writing that this jyotirlinga is the

giver of sacred knowledge. I'm wondering if there is also a benefit

to one's health as well.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Karen

>

> Dear Gurus and learned members,

>

> Often we get confused about our purpose in life,-

why we have

come here, what was the intension of the Supreme Being to send us in

this lovely and terrible world! No amount of knowledge found in the

books of philosophy can give us satisfaction. A revelation, a

spiritual understanding can only quench our thirst for this secrete

knowledge.

>

> In last year's West Coast Conference, Guruji Pt. Sanjay

Rath had

revealed the way to this sacred knowledge. He told that , the

Jyotirlinga associated with the tithi of a person, is the giver of

this knowledge. If one constantly does the " Japa " of the Mantra

associated with the Jyotirlinga , this knowledge comes easily.

>

> ......I confused in understanding this. Would anyone

please make

me understand what Guruji wanted to say i.e. how to find out the

Jyotirlinga associated with the Janma Tithi.

>

> Warm regards

> Dilip Banerjee.

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

October 27, 2003

Hare Rama Krsna

Yes to be born in Bhu loka, you have to have some sin.

It is said that Shani and Gulika are the main causes of our birth here in

Bhu loka. Look at Ista and Kasta phala of each planet to get a bigger

picture on this.

Namah Sivaya

J. Weiss [jayhw]

Monday, October 27, 2003 2:44 AM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of

life

Dear Narasimha,

You wrote:

" >The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> each incarnation. " .

I fully agree to the part following 'But..', but do you mean to imply that

ALL living souls were/are/will be " past sinners " ?

That leaves us with no good souls here on earth...

Warm regards

Jay Weiss

-

" pvr108 " <pvr

Monday, October 27, 2003 12:50 AM

|Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

>

> > Dear Jay,

> > I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is

> fetching

> > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka

> might be

> > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think

> > whether we are really serving the science by this.

> > Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's

> knowledge nor

> > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of

> life to

> > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and

> Punya ?

> > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and

> Ishta

> > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to

> > Shiva's form only ?

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar..

>

> I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of

> words in response.

>

> The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of

> life is to get moksha.

>

> But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their

> energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that

> the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> each incarnation.

>

> Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of

> the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.

>

> Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another

> religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we

> understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand

> the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and

> various jyotirlingas.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

October 27, 2003

hamsassoham

Unless one is born as a jivan-mukta (librated soul), who is not moved by the

dualities of this world, we are indeed sinners. Unless one is unmoved by the

pain of childbirth and the pangs of hunger felt by a child, there is still

some karma that the " atma " must face.

ajit

-

" J. Weiss " <jayhw

Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of

life

> Dear Narasimha,

> You wrote:

> " >The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> > for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> > finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> > each incarnation. " .

>

> I fully agree to the part following 'But..', but do you mean to imply that

> ALL living souls were/are/will be " past sinners " ?

> That leaves us with no good souls here on earth...

>

> Warm regards

> Jay Weiss

>

> -

> " pvr108 " <pvr

> <varahamihira >

> Monday, October 27, 2003 12:50 AM

> |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of

life

>

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> >

> > > Dear Jay,

> > > I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is

> > fetching

> > > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka

> > might be

> > > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think

> > > whether we are really serving the science by this.

> > > Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's

> > knowledge nor

> > > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of

> > life to

> > > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and

> > Punya ?

> > > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and

> > Ishta

> > > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to

> > > Shiva's form only ?

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar..

> >

> > I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of

> > words in response.

> >

> > The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of

> > life is to get moksha.

> >

> > But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their

> > energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that

> > the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> > for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> > finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> > each incarnation.

> >

> > Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of

> > the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.

> >

> > Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another

> > religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we

> > understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand

> > the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and

> > various jyotirlingas.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

October 28, 2003

Jaya Jagannath

Dear Freedom,

Practically, I was stick in to following rules for rebirth.

1.Strong 7th house.

2. 3rd from AK

3. Position of the Moon( Mind)

I can guess about Saturn. But why Gulika ? Coulkd you kindly explain it ?

Thanks for the new dimensions of Ishta and Kasta pala.

Karu

> Hare Rama Krsna> Yes to be born in Bhu loka, you have to have some sin.> It is said that Shani and Gulika are the main causes of our birth here in> Bhu loka. Look at Ista and Kasta phala of each planet to get a bigger> picture on this.> Namah Sivaya> > > > J. Weiss [jayhw]> Monday, October 27, 2003 2:44 AM> varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of> life> > Dear Narasimha,> You wrote:> ">The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back> > for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and> > finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind> > each incarnation.".> > I fully agree to the part following 'But..', but do you mean to imply that> ALL living souls were/are/will be "past sinners" ?> That leaves us with no good souls here on earth...> > Warm regards> Jay Weiss> > > > > -> "pvr108" <pvr> <varahamihira >> Monday, October 27, 2003 12:50 AM> |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,> >> > > Dear Jay,> > > I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is> > fetching> > > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka> > might be> > > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think> > > whether we are really serving the science by this.> > > Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's> > knowledge nor> > > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of> > life to> > > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and> > Punya ?> > > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and> > Ishta> > > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to> > > Shiva's form only ?> > > Regards,> > > Chandrashekhar..> >> > I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of> > words in response.> >> > The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of> > life is to get moksha.> >> > But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their> > energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that> > the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back> > for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and> > finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind> > each incarnation.> >> > Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of> > the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.> >> > Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another> > religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we> > understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand> > the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and> > various jyotirlingas.> >> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha> >> >> >> >> > |Om Tat Sat|> > http://www.varahamihira> >> >

October 28, 2003

Dear Narasimhaji,

As I indicated in my mail, I did not dispute the knowledge of those who

proposed the theory. Nor do I dispute that Shiva is the Guru of the

Universe. I am of the opinion that the Guru Tatwa originated from

Shiva. So no confusion about multiplicity of Gods in Hindu religion

for me. They are only forms of the Niraamaya and Niraakaara or the

Alingi (Shiva). The concept of Purusha and prakriti is also clear to

me. I was referring to the fact that every one is credited with a lofty

purpose for the life in the analysis so far seen. No body appears to

have come to the human form to trouble another so that, that other

person completes his bhoga. This appears statistically improbable. As

you know I am neither atheist nor a non Hindu, but merely seeker of

knowledge. Again speaking dispassionately, does it not appear strange

that everybody is able to fulfill his purpose of life by worshipping

one of the 12 forms of Shiva ? Does this mean that every body is able

to obtain final emancipation irrespective of the planetary position in

his chart?

Please do not misunderstand me, these questions I am raising to get

better understanding of principles of Jyotish vis-a-vis wiping off of

dhrudhamula karma bhoga by worships of whether Jyotirlingas, Ishta

devata, Palana Devata, Guru Devata or any other form as is being

suggested. I would readily agree if it is suggested that the worships

can lessen hardships and help one on path of emancipation, but not a

blanket wipe off. Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

pvr108 wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> Dear Jay,

> I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is

fetching

> theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka

might be

> happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think

> whether we are really serving the science by this.

> Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's

knowledge nor

> is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of

life to

> clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and

Punya ?

> Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and

Ishta

> devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to

> Shiva's form only ?

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar..

I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of

words in response.

The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of

life is to get moksha.

But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their

energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that

the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

each incarnation.

Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of

the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.

Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another

religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we

understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand

the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and

various jyotirlingas.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

October 28, 2003

Dear Freedom,

In so far as I understand, Jyotirlingas are situate at specific places

, which number 12 in all. Worship of Shiva Linga and Jyotirlingas in

photographs, could not be equated with worshipping the Jyotirlingas at

the place that they are situate. Lord Shiva is supposed to reside in

those places in Jyoti form. Are we not using the term worshipping

Jyotirlinga very loosely, without reference to the Sthana Mahatmya ?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Freedom wrote:

Hare Rama Krsna

Hare Rama

Krsna

Yes, the Jyotirlinga are not a simple way to see the life purpose, the

whole

chart is the reason for incarnating. They are showing a higher purpose

in life

beyond what we are incarnating for. We still need to see a person’s

dharma,

artha, kama, moksa, and everything associated with that in the chart.

The Ishta

guides our Atman to moksa (as it is seen from the 12th to

karakamsa-

jivanmuktamsa). The Ishta is to be worshiped everyday (esp. in the

mornings),

no matter the rupa it is connected to Visnu. The Jyotirlinga is the

light

inside us always, and we can be aware of it always, it is connected to

the AK,

the light that illuminates the individual atmam. It is connected to

Shiva. External

worship of the Jyotirlinga for the average person can be done on

Mondays.

Namah Shivaya

Freedom

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Chandrashekhar

Sharma

[boxdel]

Saturday,

October 25, 2003

4:11 PM

To:

varahamihira

Re: |Sri

Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Dear

Jay,

I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is fetching

theories

too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka might be happy

knowing

some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think whether we are

really

serving the science by this.

Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's knowledge

nor is it

my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of life to

clear off

the account of our previous life balance of Papa and Punya ? Again ,

how do we

rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and Ishta devata worship

indicated by

Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to Shiva's form only ?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar..

J. Weiss wrote:

Dear

Narasimha, Sarajit and members,

Indeed another

fascinating topic of

Jyotish but doesn't that 'simply' leave us (again?) with only 12 groups

of

"purpose of this life" ?

Please enlighten me/us.

Kindest regards

Jay Weiss

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Ramesh Gangaramani

varahamihira

Thursday,

October 23, 2003 9:30 AM

RE: |Sri

Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Satyam

Bruyat

Priyam Bruyat

Dear

Sarajitji,

I

would like

to know my purpose of life too. My tithi left is 2.78%, hence spent is

97.22%.

As per this my Jyotirlingam will be indicated by 12th sign which is

Pisces! I

am a Leo lagna and Pisces is my 8th house. What would be the purpose of

my

life?

One

of the

earlier mails indicated Triyambekshwara as my Jyotirlinga that I should

pray.

Is that right?

Thank

you for

your help and kind regards

Ramesh

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit]

Thursday,

October 23, 2003

9:27 AM

varahamihira

RE: |Sri

Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

|| Jaya

Jagannath ||

Dear Dilipda,

The

percentage of Tithi already spent is 86.23% according to your

calculation. Just find what is 86.23% of 12 and you have 10.34 as the

reminder.

Round up and you have 11 as the Jyotirlingam indicating sign. This is

kedarnath

as you said and represent 5th house. The mission is

knowledge and

mantra. What else? See what else is indicated by placement of the

planets there

and the aspects!

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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drdilip [drdilip]

Wednesday,

October 22, 2003

7:35 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri

Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

II NAMAH

SHIVAAYA II

Dear

Narasimha ji

Namaste,

Any topic

of jyotish gets a new dimension and a higher meaning

when you explain. Thanks for explaining so nicely!

In my

chart, JHL 5 shows krishna saptami and 13.77 % of it is left.

This is subtracted from 100 , and we get 86.23. 86.23*3= 258.69.

Dividing

it by 25 , we get 10 and some fraction, rounding it up, we get 11. Thus

the

sign in my case is aquarius. The jyotirlinga is kedarnath.

Aquarius

is my 5th house in rasi chart. What is the purpose then of

my creation? Mantra sadhana ? Devotion to Lord ? Please explain.

Warm

regards

Dilip

Banerjee.

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pvr108

varahamihira

Wednesday, October 22,

2003 10:07 AM

|Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga &

the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om

Namashshivaayai Cha Namashshivaaya

Dear Karen,

Namaste.

As the mantra I wrote at the beginning says, Moon and Sun

symbolize

Shivaa (Parvati) and Shiva respectively. It is their union that

produces us all, for various purposes. Your mail captured it well

and you remembered Sanjay's teaching so well.

BTW, there is an easier way to compute this, if you have JHLite.

In JHora or JHoraLite, look at the % of tithi left (both give

it).

Subtract the number from 100. Multiply the result with 3. Divide

the

resulting number by 25 and round it up to get an integer. That

gives

the index to the sign (1=Ar, 2=Ta and so on).

Example: In my chart, JHoraLite shows Krishna Chaturdasi and

shows

the % of tithi left as 85.99%. Now, subtracting 85.99 from 100, I

get 100-85.99=14.01. Multiplying with 3, I get 14.01x3=42.03.

Dividing 42.03 by 25, I get (1+some fraction). Rounding it *up*,

the

integer I get is 2. So the sign in my case is Taurus (2nd sign).

This sign shows the purpose of one's creation. In my case, Taurus

is

my 9th house as well as Lagnamsaka. It shows dharma as the

purpose

of my creation by my parents.

Sanjay spoke on this in great detail last year at the west coast

seminar too. Get those CDs from Lakshmi!

There is one more thing. I don't remember if this was recorded in

any of the CD's or not, but Sanjay mentioned using AK and AmK

instead of Sun and Moon too (I remember that the first time

Sanjay

mentioned it was when we were all driving to Lakshmi's house one

evening for dinner, but he may have mentioned it in a subsequent

class too. I am not sure). Sun and Moon show the natural

(naisargika/viswa/universal) atma and mana. They are relevant as

far

as creation (nisarga) is concerned. Naisargika karakatwas are

lorded

by Brahma, while chara karakwas are ruled by Vishnu. The

individual

atma and mana are shown by AK and AmK. They are more relevant as

far

as one's activities and spiritual progress are concerned (which

are

a Vishnu thing and not a Brahma thing)!!

Sanjay mentioned doing similar calculations based on AK and AmK

too.

I leave it to you to interpret this...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> II OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA II

>

> Dear Dr. Dilip,

>

> I heard Sanjay-ji speak of this in this year's East Coast

conference briefly. This is what I remember and I hope any

errors

will be corrected.

>

> One tithi is defined as 12 degrees of movement of the Moon

with

respect to the Sun. Each of the 12 degrees that make up a

single

tithi can be assigned to each of the 12 rasi depending on the

portion of the tithi that has passed. The sign of the derived

rasi

will determine the jyotirlinga.

>

> Sanjay-ji used his own chart as an example. The chart is

attached for reference in .jhd format.

>

> Moon 19 Aq 58= 319.81 degrees

> Sun 21Cn 05= 111.07

>

> moon-sun= 208.8/ 12 degrees=

>

> 17.408

>

> So 17 tithis have passed and is currently in 18 tithi. Or

in

other words, 3rd day of the dark half subtracting 15.

Most

software will do this part..

>

> 17 tithis x 12 degree/tithi = 204

> 208.8- 204= 4.4 degrees into the tithi

> Converting this to signs starting from Aries. Fours have

passed

and the correct sign based on janma tithi is 5 sign i.e Leo.

>

> The jyotirlinga for Leo, as given in VRA is Dhusaneswar.

>

> This is my understanding of how the jyotirlinga of the tithi

is

computed. You helped me by writing that this jyotirlinga is the

giver of sacred knowledge. I'm wondering if there is also a

benefit

to one's health as well.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Karen

>

> Dear Gurus and learned members,

>

> Often we get confused about our purpose in life,-

why we have

come here, what was the intension of the Supreme Being to send us

in

this lovely and terrible world! No amount of knowledge found in

the

books of philosophy can give us satisfaction. A revelation, a

spiritual understanding can only quench our thirst for this

secrete

knowledge.

>

> In last year's West Coast Conference, Guruji Pt. Sanjay

Rath had

revealed the way to this sacred knowledge. He told that , the

Jyotirlinga associated with the tithi of a person, is the giver

of

this knowledge. If one constantly does the " Japa" of the Mantra

associated with the Jyotirlinga , this knowledge comes easily.

>

> ......I confused in understanding this. Would anyone

please make

me understand what Guruji wanted to say i.e. how to find out the

Jyotirlinga associated with the Janma Tithi.

>

> Warm regards

> Dilip Banerjee.

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Dear Chandrashekharji,

As I have learnt, each particular jyotirlinga calculated individually for the natal charts show the specific beeja that created us. It is the seed that manifested each individual soul. And the nature of the seed from whence we came is seen from the different jyotirlingas. So if we worship that specific jyotirlinga, that very beeja which created us, we will be able to embark upon the path of the highest knowledge of enlightenment. This is the crux behind worshipping our respective natal jyotirlingas.

Best regards,

Sarbani

Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel]Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:03 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of lifeDear Narasimhaji,As I indicated in my mail, I did not dispute the knowledge of those who proposed the theory. Nor do I dispute that Shiva is the Guru of the Universe. I am of the opinion that the Guru Tatwa originated from Shiva. So no confusion about multiplicity of Gods in Hindu religion for me. They are only forms of the Niraamaya and Niraakaara or the Alingi (Shiva). The concept of Purusha and prakriti is also clear to me. I was referring to the fact that every one is credited with a lofty purpose for the life in the analysis so far seen. No body appears to have come to the human form to trouble another so that, that other person completes his bhoga. This appears statistically improbable. As you know I am neither atheist nor a non Hindu, but merely seeker of knowledge. Again speaking dispassionately, does it not appear strange that everybody is able to fulfill his purpose of life by worshipping one of the 12 forms of Shiva ? Does this mean that every body is able to obtain final emancipation irrespective of the planetary position in his chart?Please do not misunderstand me, these questions I am raising to get better understanding of principles of Jyotish vis-a-vis wiping off of dhrudhamula karma bhoga by worships of whether Jyotirlingas, Ishta devata, Palana Devata, Guru Devata or any other form as is being suggested. I would readily agree if it is suggested that the worships can lessen hardships and help one on path of emancipation, but not a blanket wipe off. Kindly correct me if I am wrong.Regards,Chandrashekhar. pvr108 wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,> Dear Jay,> I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is fetching > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka might be > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think > whether we are really serving the science by this.> Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's knowledge nor > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of life to > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and Punya ? > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and Ishta > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to > Shiva's form only ?> Regards,> Chandrashekhar..I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of words in response.The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of life is to get moksha.But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind each incarnation.Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and various jyotirlingas.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

October 29, 2003

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Namaste Listmembers,

Dear Narasimha,

Chandrashekhar makes a valid point.

My 'desire' is to leave this hell-hole, so I had no qualms in rounding off the 11.99 to reach Pisces. But that .01 of a degree actually keeps me in 7th house Aquarius, which has an entirely different complexion, significance, interpretation and outcome.

Om Shanti,

Love, Ann.

-

Chandrashekhar Sharma

varahamihira

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:02 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Dear Narasimhaji,As I indicated in my mail, I did not dispute the knowledge of those who proposed the theory. Nor do I dispute that Shiva is the Guru of the Universe. I am of the opinion that the Guru Tatwa originated from Shiva. So no confusion about multiplicity of Gods in Hindu religion for me. They are only forms of the Niraamaya and Niraakaara or the Alingi (Shiva). The concept of Purusha and prakriti is also clear to me. I was referring to the fact that every one is credited with a lofty purpose for the life in the analysis so far seen. No body appears to have come to the human form to trouble another so that, that other person completes his bhoga. This appears statistically improbable. As you know I am neither atheist nor a non Hindu, but merely seeker of knowledge. Again speaking dispassionately, does it not appear strange that everybody is able to fulfill his purpose of life by worshipping one of the 12 forms of Shiva ? Does this mean that every body is able to obtain final emancipation irrespective of the planetary position in his chart?Please do not misunderstand me, these questions I am raising to get better understanding of principles of Jyotish vis-a-vis wiping off of dhrudhamula karma bhoga by worships of whether Jyotirlingas, Ishta devata, Palana Devata, Guru Devata or any other form as is being suggested. I would readily agree if it is suggested that the worships can lessen hardships and help one on path of emancipation, but not a blanket wipe off. Kindly correct me if I am wrong.Regards,Chandrashekhar. pvr108 wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,> Dear Jay,> I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is fetching > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka might be > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think > whether we are really serving the science by this.> Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's knowledge nor > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of life to > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and Punya ? > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and Ishta > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to > Shiva's form only ?> Regards,> Chandrashekhar..I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of words in response.The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of life is to get moksha.But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind each incarnation.Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and various jyotirlingas.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

October 29, 2003

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Ann,

Mind your english.

The Jyotirlinga doesn't show your desire - think harder. What is Paksha? What does Jyotir linga mean?

Best wishes, Visti.

-

Ann Murphy

varahamihira

Cc: Ann Murphy

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:04 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Namaste Listmembers,

Dear Narasimha,

Chandrashekhar makes a valid point.

My 'desire' is to leave this hell-hole, so I had no qualms in rounding off the 11.99 to reach Pisces. But that .01 of a degree actually keeps me in 7th house Aquarius, which has an entirely different complexion, significance, interpretation and outcome.

Om Shanti,

Love, Ann.

-

Chandrashekhar Sharma

varahamihira

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:02 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Dear Narasimhaji,As I indicated in my mail, I did not dispute the knowledge of those who proposed the theory. Nor do I dispute that Shiva is the Guru of the Universe. I am of the opinion that the Guru Tatwa originated from Shiva. So no confusion about multiplicity of Gods in Hindu religion for me. They are only forms of the Niraamaya and Niraakaara or the Alingi (Shiva). The concept of Purusha and prakriti is also clear to me. I was referring to the fact that every one is credited with a lofty purpose for the life in the analysis so far seen. No body appears to have come to the human form to trouble another so that, that other person completes his bhoga. This appears statistically improbable. As you know I am neither atheist nor a non Hindu, but merely seeker of knowledge. Again speaking dispassionately, does it not appear strange that everybody is able to fulfill his purpose of life by worshipping one of the 12 forms of Shiva ? Does this mean that every body is able to obtain final emancipation irrespective of the planetary position in his chart?Please do not misunderstand me, these questions I am raising to get better understanding of principles of Jyotish vis-a-vis wiping off of dhrudhamula karma bhoga by worships of whether Jyotirlingas, Ishta devata, Palana Devata, Guru Devata or any other form as is being suggested. I would readily agree if it is suggested that the worships can lessen hardships and help one on path of emancipation, but not a blanket wipe off. Kindly correct me if I am wrong.Regards,Chandrashekhar. pvr108 wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,> Dear Jay,> I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is fetching > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka might be > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think > whether we are really serving the science by this.> Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's knowledge nor > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of life to > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and Punya ? > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and Ishta > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to > Shiva's form only ?> Regards,> Chandrashekhar..I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of words in response.The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of life is to get moksha.But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind each incarnation.Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and various jyotirlingas.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

October 29, 2003

Dear Ann,a

We all have been in a similar situation, but fortunately our desires /and sufferings/ change- purpose of life is relatively constant, as per my understanding/of my own, 'perceived' purpose of life, at least. Desires may or may not be satisfied, little that affects our 'life purpose'. If motherhood is your l.purpose, who cares whether you'll have that nice red shoes, red house, etc.., the major issue is totally unaffected- it's ingrained somewhere deeply within us, and gives you strength even in the darkest days of the soul. I am just sharing my 'experience'. When I pray for my son, I always pray that he find that life purpose deeply buried in his heart, to become more aware of the fact how much his life counts!

And 'moksha' as a final "purposegoal", has also little to do with this, our level of existence- we are here "to do the job". That's what I believe in, and also that no matter how long our life is meant to be, I believe we all have enough time to fulfill our major 'life purpose'.

I cannot say that YL issue advanced my knowledge of life purpose so far, as stated above, as conceived by me early in life, and I wish to achieve better understanding and be more in sync with life purpose, which has been my goal all my life, too.

LOve,

Anna

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:37 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Ann,

Mind your english.

The Jyotirlinga doesn't show your desire - think harder. What is Paksha? What does Jyotir linga mean?

Best wishes, Visti.

-

Ann Murphy

varahamihira

Cc: Ann Murphy

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:04 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Namaste Listmembers,

Dear Narasimha,

Chandrashekhar makes a valid point.

My 'desire' is to leave this hell-hole, so I had no qualms in rounding off the 11.99 to reach Pisces. But that .01 of a degree actually keeps me in 7th house Aquarius, which has an entirely different complexion, significance, interpretation and outcome.

Om Shanti,

Love, Ann.

-

Chandrashekhar Sharma

varahamihira

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:02 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Dear Narasimhaji,As I indicated in my mail, I did not dispute the knowledge of those who proposed the theory. Nor do I dispute that Shiva is the Guru of the Universe. I am of the opinion that the Guru Tatwa originated from Shiva. So no confusion about multiplicity of Gods in Hindu religion for me. They are only forms of the Niraamaya and Niraakaara or the Alingi (Shiva). The concept of Purusha and prakriti is also clear to me. I was referring to the fact that every one is credited with a lofty purpose for the life in the analysis so far seen. No body appears to have come to the human form to trouble another so that, that other person completes his bhoga. This appears statistically improbable. As you know I am neither atheist nor a non Hindu, but merely seeker of knowledge. Again speaking dispassionately, does it not appear strange that everybody is able to fulfill his purpose of life by worshipping one of the 12 forms of Shiva ? Does this mean that every body is able to obtain final emancipation irrespective of the planetary position in his chart?Please do not misunderstand me, these questions I am raising to get better understanding of principles of Jyotish vis-a-vis wiping off of dhrudhamula karma bhoga by worships of whether Jyotirlingas, Ishta devata, Palana Devata, Guru Devata or any other form as is being suggested. I would readily agree if it is suggested that the worships can lessen hardships and help one on path of emancipation, but not a blanket wipe off. Kindly correct me if I am wrong.Regards,Chandrashekhar. pvr108 wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,> Dear Jay,> I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is fetching > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka might be > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think > whether we are really serving the science by this.> Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's knowledge nor > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of life to > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and Punya ? > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and Ishta > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to > Shiva's form only ?> Regards,> Chandrashekhar..I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of words in response.The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of life is to get moksha.But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind each incarnation.Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and various jyotirlingas.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

October 29, 2003

Hare Rama Krsna

There is the external Lingas situated in India, but that is not the only place

that the Jyotirlingas reside. Do people in the world unable to visit India miss

the blessings of Shiva?? Shiva reveals Himself on every continent, in sacred

mountains and sites, with other names appropriate to that individual culture.

Lord Shiva resides within us in a Jyoti rupa, that light within the cave of the

heart, the Jyotirlinga purose of life is where that light came from and what is

it burning for. Connecting to that light, doing mantra and offering that light

water is also Jyotirlinga worship.

The Jyotirlingas can also be used for seeing the type of Shiva lingam to

worship, ie. a black Shiva linga for Mahakaleshwar (libra-black).

Namah Sivaya

Freedom

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Chandrashekhar Sharma

[boxdel]

Tuesday, October 28, 2003

3:21 PM

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Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Dear Freedom,

In so far as I understand, Jyotirlingas are situate at specific places , which

number 12 in all. Worship of Shiva Linga and Jyotirlingas in photographs, could

not be equated with worshipping the Jyotirlingas at the place that they are

situate. Lord Shiva is supposed to reside in those places in Jyoti form. Are we

not using the term worshipping Jyotirlinga very loosely, without

reference to the Sthana Mahatmya ?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Freedom wrote:

Hare Rama Krsna

Yes, the

Jyotirlinga are not a simple way to see the life purpose, the whole chart is

the reason for incarnating. They are showing a higher purpose in life beyond

what we are incarnating for. We still need to see a person’s dharma, artha,

kama, moksa, and everything associated with that in the chart. The Ishta guides

our Atman to moksa (as it is seen from the 12th to karakamsa-

jivanmuktamsa). The Ishta is to be worshiped everyday (esp. in the mornings),

no matter the rupa it is connected to Visnu. The Jyotirlinga is the light

inside us always, and we can be aware of it always, it is connected to the AK,

the light that illuminates the individual atmam. It is connected to Shiva.

External worship of the Jyotirlinga for the average person can be done on

Mondays.

Namah

Shivaya

Freedom

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Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel]

Saturday, October 25, 2003

4:11 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Dear Jay,

I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is fetching theories

too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka might be happy knowing

some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think whether we are really

serving the science by this.

Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's knowledge nor is it

my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of life to clear off

the account of our previous life balance of Papa and Punya ? Again , how do we

rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and Ishta devata worship indicated by

Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to Shiva's form only ?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar..

J. Weiss wrote:

Dear Narasimha, Sarajit and members,

Indeed another

fascinating topic of Jyotish but doesn't that 'simply' leave us (again?) with

only 12 groups of " purpose of this life " ?

Please enlighten

me/us.

Kindest regards

Jay Weiss

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Ramesh Gangaramani

varahamihira

Thursday,

October 23, 2003 9:30 AM

RE: |Sri

Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Sarajitji,

I would like to know my purpose of life too. My tithi left is 2.78%,

hence spent is 97.22%. As per this my Jyotirlingam will be indicated by 12th

sign which is Pisces! I am a Leo lagna and Pisces is my 8th house. What would

be the purpose of my life?

One of the earlier mails indicated Triyambekshwara as my Jyotirlinga that

I should pray. Is that right?

Thank you for your help and kind regards

Ramesh

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit]

Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:27 AM

varahamihira

RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of

life

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Dilipda,

The percentage of Tithi already spent is 86.23% according to

your calculation. Just find what is 86.23% of 12 and you have 10.34 as the

reminder. Round up and you have 11 as the Jyotirlingam indicating sign. This is

kedarnath as you said and represent 5th house. The mission is

knowledge and mantra. What else? See what else is indicated by placement of the

planets there and the aspects!

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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drdilip [drdilip]

Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:35 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of

life

II NAMAH SHIVAAYA II

Dear Narasimha ji

Namaste,

Any topic of jyotish gets a new dimension

and a higher meaning when you explain. Thanks for explaining so nicely!

In my chart, JHL 5 shows krishna saptami and

13.77 % of it is left. This is subtracted from 100 , and we get 86.23.

86.23*3= 258.69. Dividing it by 25 , we get 10 and some fraction, rounding it

up, we get 11. Thus the sign in my case is aquarius. The jyotirlinga is

kedarnath.

Aquarius is my 5th house in rasi chart. What

is the purpose then of my creation? Mantra sadhana ? Devotion to Lord ? Please

explain.

Warm regards

Dilip Banerjee.

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|Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om

Namashshivaayai Cha Namashshivaaya

Dear Karen,

Namaste.

As the mantra I wrote at the beginning says, Moon and Sun symbolize

Shivaa (Parvati) and Shiva respectively. It is their union that

produces us all, for various purposes. Your mail captured it well

and you remembered Sanjay's teaching so well.

BTW, there is an easier way to compute this, if you have JHLite.

In JHora or JHoraLite, look at the % of tithi left (both give it).

Subtract the number from 100. Multiply the result with 3. Divide the

resulting number by 25 and round it up to get an integer. That gives

the index to the sign (1=Ar, 2=Ta and so on).

Example: In my chart, JHoraLite shows Krishna Chaturdasi and shows

the % of tithi left as 85.99%. Now, subtracting 85.99 from 100, I

get 100-85.99=14.01. Multiplying with 3, I get 14.01x3=42.03.

Dividing 42.03 by 25, I get (1+some fraction). Rounding it *up*, the

integer I get is 2. So the sign in my case is Taurus (2nd sign).

This sign shows the purpose of one's creation. In my case, Taurus is

my 9th house as well as Lagnamsaka. It shows dharma as the purpose

of my creation by my parents.

Sanjay spoke on this in great detail last year at the west coast

seminar too. Get those CDs from Lakshmi!

There is one more thing. I don't remember if this was recorded in

any of the CD's or not, but Sanjay mentioned using AK and AmK

instead of Sun and Moon too (I remember that the first time Sanjay

mentioned it was when we were all driving to Lakshmi's house one

evening for dinner, but he may have mentioned it in a subsequent

class too. I am not sure). Sun and Moon show the natural

(naisargika/viswa/universal) atma and mana. They are relevant as far

as creation (nisarga) is concerned. Naisargika karakatwas are lorded

by Brahma, while chara karakwas are ruled by Vishnu. The individual

atma and mana are shown by AK and AmK. They are more relevant as far

as one's activities and spiritual progress are concerned (which are

a Vishnu thing and not a Brahma thing)!!

Sanjay mentioned doing similar calculations based on AK and AmK too.

I leave it to you to interpret this...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> II OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA II

>

> Dear Dr. Dilip,

>

> I heard Sanjay-ji speak of this in this year's East Coast

conference briefly. This is what I remember and I hope any errors

will be corrected.

>

> One tithi is defined as 12 degrees of movement of the Moon with

respect to the Sun. Each of the 12 degrees that make up a

single

tithi can be assigned to each of the 12 rasi depending on the

portion of the tithi that has passed. The sign of the derived rasi

will determine the jyotirlinga.

>

> Sanjay-ji used his own chart as an example. The chart is

attached for reference in .jhd format.

>

> Moon 19 Aq 58= 319.81 degrees

> Sun 21Cn 05= 111.07

>

> moon-sun= 208.8/ 12 degrees=

>

> 17.408

>

> So 17 tithis have passed and is currently in 18 tithi. Or in

other words, 3rd day of the dark half subtracting 15.

Most

software will do this part..

>

> 17 tithis x 12 degree/tithi = 204

> 208.8- 204= 4.4 degrees into the tithi

> Converting this to signs starting from Aries. Fours have passed

and the correct sign based on janma tithi is 5 sign i.e Leo.

>

> The jyotirlinga for Leo, as given in VRA is Dhusaneswar.

>

> This is my understanding of how the jyotirlinga of the tithi is

computed. You helped me by writing that this jyotirlinga is the

giver of sacred knowledge. I'm wondering if there is also a benefit

to one's health as well.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Karen

>

> Dear Gurus and learned members,

>

> Often we get confused about our purpose in life,-

why we have

come here, what was the intension of the Supreme Being to send us in

this lovely and terrible world! No amount of knowledge found in the

books of philosophy can give us satisfaction. A revelation, a

spiritual understanding can only quench our thirst for this secrete

knowledge.

>

> In last year's West Coast Conference, Guruji Pt. Sanjay

Rath had

revealed the way to this sacred knowledge. He told that , the

Jyotirlinga associated with the tithi of a person, is the giver of

this knowledge. If one constantly does the " Japa " of the Mantra

associated with the Jyotirlinga , this knowledge comes easily.

>

> ......I confused in understanding this. Would anyone

please make

me understand what Guruji wanted to say i.e. how to find out the

Jyotirlinga associated with the Janma Tithi.

>

> Warm regards

> Dilip Banerjee.

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October 31, 2003

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Freedom,

I am puzzled by these repeated references to sin, as the main cause of rebirth. I beg to differ and I feel that a soul reincarnates basically in order to carry out & complete the task given to it. The moment the task is fulfilled the soul is set free ...till such time it's manifestation becomes necessary again.I think the Vishnu avataars illustrate this point well. Don't we all carry within ourselves a spark of that Divine Light?

Regards,

Lakshmi

Freedom <freedom wrote:

Hare Rama KrsnaYes to be born in Bhu loka, you have to have some sin.It is said that Shani and Gulika are the main causes of our birth here inBhu loka. Look at Ista and Kasta phala of each planet to get a biggerpicture on this.Namah SivayaJ. Weiss [jayhw]Monday, October 27, 2003 2:44 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose oflifeDear Narasimha,You wrote:">The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back> for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and> finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind> each incarnation.".I fully agree to the part following 'But..', but do you mean to imply thatALL living souls were/are/will be

"past sinners" ?That leaves us with no good souls here on earth...Warm regardsJay Weiss-"pvr108" <pvr<varahamihira >Monday, October 27, 2003 12:50 AM|Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life> Dear Chandrashekhar ji,>> > Dear Jay,> > I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is> fetching> > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka> might be> > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should think> > whether we are really serving the science by this.> > Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's> knowledge nor> > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of> life to> > clear off the account of our

previous life balance of Papa and> Punya ?> > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and> Ishta> > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer to> > Shiva's form only ?> > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar..>> I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of> words in response.>> The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of> life is to get moksha.>> But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their> energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that> the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back> for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and> finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind> each incarnation.>> Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva

IS the Guru of> the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.>> Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another> religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we> understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand> the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and> various jyotirlingas.>> May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha>>>>> |Om Tat Sat|> http://www.varahamihira>>

October 31, 2003

Dear Lakshmi,

" Sin " is a heavy word. " Desire " is a simpler word.

A soul gets reborn because of desires. Even the

Lord takes birth when He has a *desire* to do so.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Freedom,

>

> I am puzzled by these repeated references to sin, as the main cause

of rebirth. I beg to differ and I feel that a soul reincarnates

basically in order to carry out & complete the task given to it. The

moment the task is fulfilled the soul is set free ...till such time

it's manifestation becomes necessary again.I think the Vishnu

avataars illustrate this point well. Don't we all carry within

ourselves a spark of that Divine Light?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

November 1, 2003

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Narasimha,

That was a good distinction:). But then, isn't it a sense of duty and a commitment to the task He had taken upon himself that prompts the Lord's "desire"?

Regards,

Lakshmipvr108 <pvr wrote:

Dear Lakshmi,"Sin" is a heavy word. "Desire" is a simpler word.A soul gets reborn because of desires. Even theLord takes birth when He has a *desire* to do so.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Freedom,> > I am puzzled by these repeated references to sin, as the main cause of rebirth. I beg to differ and I feel that a soul reincarnates basically in order to carry out & complete the task given to it. The moment the task is fulfilled the soul is set free ...till such time it's manifestation becomes necessary again.I think the Vishnu avataars illustrate this point well. Don't we all carry within ourselves a spark of that Divine Light?> > Regards,> Lakshmi|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

November 1, 2003

> So no confusion about multiplicity of Gods in Hindu religion for

>me.

There has been confusion about multplicity of deva-s in heathenish

cultures for last 2000 years; this was solved(garbled) by induction

of theological(of course, Christian) concepts such as polytheism,

hemitheism, monotheism. To reformulate thus: the root cause is

misunderstanding(unable to understand) of 'other'. Lately theologians

have brought this problem to the fore: have we(Christians, Western

culture) understood heathens? On the contrary, have heathens

comprehend Christians. Some settle this problem by baptizing this

understanding with 'corruption of old testament, proselytization-an

evil'; reformulations and redescriptions do not solve problems; nor

do they help us in understanding the same. They but distorts the

experience.

How to understand this 'There is only one God, Lord God; and our

deva-s are devils' by not triviliazing a believers' experience as

being hallucinated or being intolerant.

a. Cosmos created by Lord God who is outside of His Created Cosmos

b. Cosmos is His Will(intentions)

c. The regularities(causes) in Cosmos are instatiations of His Will,

for example, how the equal length of the eyelashes could instantiate

the purposes of God.

d. Understanding His Will is beyond our human cognitive abilities

e. To solve d), Lord God has to reveal His purposes

f. Such revelation is UNIQUE(look at Christological dilemma; and its

production of atheism etc), for There is only one Will

g. Such revelation is religion(look at Genesis: Lord God gave

religion to mankind)

h. Religion(singular noun) makes the Cosmos explanatory-intelligible;

being part of Cosmos, religion is explanatory intelligible account of

itself

g. Thus Christians(Jews, Muslims) are compelled to see heathenish

notions of gods either in Pagan Rome or in India as devil

h. In this process, they have to locate entities such

as 'hinduism', 'buddism', 'paganism' being false religions, idolatry,

false/corrupt revelation.

Put it simply: what one experiences is not what it is. We do

experience Sun movement across horizon as geo-centric, which is not

underlying reality. Galileo never said then Europeans were

hallucinating; he rather fought against then Church which gave

explanation, underlying reality = what we experience. He degraded the

experience to phenomenon; made a distinction b/w underlying reality

and phenomenon

Indian traditions were more concerned on understanding human

nature/experience; In doing so, they developed some cognitive

sciences, such as avidya, mayaa, ajnana depending on various

traditions. Now, the modern Indian brethern are confusing them with

spirituality, esoterica, His Will, Lord God, Meaning of Life, by

mapping their learnt formal language of Theology onto their

experience. There is nothing spritiual in it; they are rather

competitors to modern psychologies exported from theology maquerading

as Scientific(sorry folks, study the analysis by reductionists in

Western philosophical traditions)

Caution: I am not criticising Christianity here; nor do I claim that

those who claim hindu deva-s being devils are stupid. Their

experience make sense if we study scientifically(by saving

phenomena). The Indian experience ever since its eclipse w/ Islam

continued to today in the name of social sciences, linguistics etc in

India metamorphised into confused mass. If Christianity, Islam,

Judaism are religions, there are no religions(ontological commitment

to the same) in India. But what we see in India is the experience of

believers in Lord God!

November 1, 2003

Dear Laxmi/narasimhaji,

Could not we say mistakes commited in past life instead?

Chandrashekhar.

pvr108 wrote:

Dear Lakshmi,

"Sin" is a heavy word. "Desire" is a simpler word.

A soul gets reborn because of desires. Even the

Lord takes birth when He has a *desire* to do so.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Freedom,

>

> I am puzzled by these repeated references to sin, as the main

cause

of rebirth. I beg to differ and I feel that a soul reincarnates

basically in order to carry out & complete the task given to it.

The

moment the task is fulfilled the soul is set free ...till such time

it's manifestation becomes necessary again.I think the Vishnu

avataars illustrate this point well. Don't we all carry within

ourselves a spark of that Divine Light?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

November 2, 2003

Saturn is the karaka for the shad-ripus, and Gulika is the

poison we have given to others. They are just the karakas of our ‘sin’, showing

that we have it.

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Karu

[heen]

Tuesday, October 28, 2003

4:16 AM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Jaya

Jagannath

Dear

Freedom,

Practically,

I was stick in to following rules for rebirth.

1.Strong

7th house.

2. 3rd

from AK

3.

Position of the Moon( Mind)

I can

guess about Saturn. But why Gulika ? Coulkd you kindly explain it ?

Thanks

for the new dimensions of Ishta and Kasta pala.

Karu

>

Hare Rama Krsna

> Yes to be born in Bhu loka, you have to have some sin.

> It is said that Shani and Gulika are the main causes of our birth

here in

> Bhu loka. Look at Ista and Kasta phala of each planet to get a bigger

> picture on this.

> Namah Sivaya

>

> J. Weiss [jayhw]

> Monday, October 27, 2003 2:44 AM

> varahamihira

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga

& the knowledge of the purpose of

> life

>

> Dear Narasimha,

> You wrote:

> " >The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> > for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> > finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> > each incarnation. " .

>

> I fully agree to the part following 'But..', but do you mean to imply that

> ALL living souls were/are/will be " past sinners " ?

> That leaves us with no good souls here on earth...

>

> Warm regards

> Jay Weiss

>

> -

> " pvr108 " <pvr

> <varahamihira >

> Monday, October 27, 2003 12:50 AM

> |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose

of life

>

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> >

> > > Dear Jay,

> > > I tend to agree with you.My personal opinion is that this is

> > fetching

> > > theories too far. They might appear attractive and the Jataka

> > might be

> > > happy knowing some lofty purpose for his life. But we should

think

> > > whether we are really serving the science by this.

> > > Please understand that I am neither challenging any body's

> > knowledge nor

> > > is it my intention to hurt anyone. However is not the purpose of

> > life to

> > > clear off the account of our previous life balance of Papa and

> > Punya ?

> > > Again , how do we rationalise between Jyotirlinga worship and

> > Ishta

> > > devata worship indicated by Parashara, since Jyotirlingas refer

to

> > > Shiva's form only ?

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar..

> >

> > I always appreciate your frankness. Let me try to say a couple of

> > words in response.

> >

> > The purpose of life is always as you said. The ultimate purpose of

> > life is to get moksha.

> >

> > But, when Shiva and Shakti join to create an individual, their

> > energy is a specific house and that shows the specific purpose that

> > the person is to serve. The ultimate purpose of life IS to pay back

> > for all sins, commit no sins, i.e. overcome all attachment and

> > finally get moksha. But, each soul has a temporary purpose behind

> > each incarnation.

> >

> > Yes, Jyotirlingas are Shiva's form only, but Shiva IS the Guru of

> > the universe. It is He who gives us knowledge and breaks us free.

> >

> > Hinduism has so many gods. To a casual observer from another

> > religion, it may all seem like confusion and chaos. Unless we

> > understand the reason behind the multitude, we will not understand

> > the difference between ishta devata, palana devata, guru devata and

> > various jyotirlingas.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

November 3, 2003

Hare Rama Krsna

Bhagavan makes the rules of Dharma, and then follows them as

well. It was Parasurama killing his mother that gave Rama the Curse of Mother.

It was Rama sending away Sita that gave Krsna the curse of Venus (but was this

not just the curse of Narada being fulfilled). Guruji said the next Avatar’s

chart will contain certain curses accrued from the life of Krsna (the battle).

The great epics start with the stories of how the devas get

cursed and how they come to Bhumi loka to purify themselves of their karma. Devas,

let alone humans don’t come perfectly pure to this loka. Guruji often says ‘a

man without faults is a man without virtue’. It is our faults/desires/shad-ripus

that help us to have compassion on others. Who doesn’t have some sin, how else

could Jesus ask the person with no sin to throw the first stone?

Notice Visnu didn’t just come down to fulfill a purpose and

then take off. Bhagavan followed the rules of Dharma, incarnated due to karmas,

and then left with karmas that would cause Him to incarnate again one day. Sins

and purpose, curses and blessings, they are all rapped up in a nice little

bundle called Life (Maya).

Namah Sivaya

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lakshmi ramesh

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Friday, October 31, 2003

7:20 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om Gurave

Namah

Namaste

Narasimha,

That was a

good distinction:). But then, isn't it a sense of duty and a commitment

to the task He had taken upon himself that prompts the Lord's

" desire " ?

Regards,

Lakshmi

pvr108

<pvr wrote:

Dear Lakshmi,

" Sin " is a heavy word. " Desire " is a simpler word.

A soul gets reborn because of desires. Even the

Lord takes birth when He has a *desire* to do so.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Freedom,

>

> I am puzzled by these repeated references to sin, as the main cause

of rebirth. I beg to differ and I feel that a soul reincarnates

basically in order to carry out & complete the task given to it. The

moment the task is fulfilled the soul is set free ...till such time

it's manifestation becomes necessary again.I think the Vishnu

avataars illustrate this point well. Don't we all carry within

ourselves a spark of that Divine Light?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

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OM NAMO GURUBRIHASPATHAYE

Dear Freedom,

Thanks

Karu

-

Freedom

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RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Saturn is the karaka for the shad-ripus, and Gulika is the poison we have given to others. They are just the karakas of our ‘sin’, showing that we have it.

November 4, 2003

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> Bhagavan makes the rules of Dharma, and then follows them as well.

It was

> Parasurama killing his mother that gave Rama the Curse of Mother.

It was

> Rama sending away Sita that gave Krsna the curse of Venus (but was

this not

> just the curse of Narada being fulfilled). Guruji said the next

Avatar's

> chart will contain certain curses accrued from the life of Krsna

(the

> battle).

I have this doubt: Rahu & Ketu are governed by the celestial dances

of the Earth, Moon and Sun so whoever is born on Earth (Bhumi loka)

must indisputably be governed by the nodes. Thus rebirth is

inevitable unless one takes steps to correct the imbalances present

at birth. For the avatars who manifested on Earth, they must also be

governed by the nodes. But is rebirth equally certain? For after

finishing their tasks, they go straight back to the unborn Lord,

which I presume can be equated to liberation or salvation or final

emancipation. Secondly, assuming that the (accurate) horoscopes of

each of the avatars were available, would they contain clues on how

the soul proceeds towards final emancipation? How to find the

horoscope for Lord Narasimha who appeared straight out of a pillar

in full grown form (not like Rama or Krishna who were born as

babies)? I ask this question because how will we know the chart of

the next avatar if he appears just like that.

Lastly why more than one avatar? does it mean that the Lord having

decided to manifest on Earth is fully under the control of rebirth

and must come again and again till the unborn Lord decides the Earth

should be destroyed?

regards

Hari

November 5, 2003

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Freedom,

Thanks for your reply. Freedomji, from the begining, life was held sacred by all sages, especially Human Life. It is said by the Maharishis that unless a Being accumulated a lot of punya, human birth is not granted to that being, which is contrary to your theory. You know, Human birth is considered just one step away from "daivatva", and a truly great human being is not less than a God himself.

And, Freedom, when you are saying that the Lord incarnated because of sins and curses, are you not doubting his own words...yada yada hi dharmasya glaanirbhavathi bhaarata...". Ofcourse, it is his tremendous commitment to upholding of dharma that makes him accountable for his acts, whenever he took human form. But to say that he incarnated only because of sins and curses, of His own or some one else's, is silly, because He definitely has some higher goal/purpose in mind. Curses are just incidental :-))

Talking about Jesus (I have high regard for Him), Freedom, Christianity basically assumes all beings to be sinners, which is not so in hinduism. In Hinduism, all beings and the entire Universe is Narayana and basically blemishless. Both creeds are opposites, one negative and the other positive, but both are paths that lead to the Godhead.

Regards,

Lakshmi Freedom <freedom wrote:

Hare Rama Krsna

Bhagavan makes the rules of Dharma, and then follows them as well. It was Parasurama killing his mother that gave Rama the Curse of Mother. It was Rama sending away Sita that gave Krsna the curse of Venus (but was this not just the curse of Narada being fulfilled). Guruji said the next Avatar’s chart will contain certain curses accrued from the life of Krsna (the battle).

The great epics start with the stories of how the devas get cursed and how they come to Bhumi loka to purify themselves of their karma. Devas, let alone humans don’t come perfectly pure to this loka. Guruji often says ‘a man without faults is a man without virtue’. It is our faults/desires/shad-ripus that help us to have compassion on others. Who doesn’t have some sin, how else could Jesus ask the person with no sin to throw the first stone?

Notice Visnu didn’t just come down to fulfill a purpose and then take off. Bhagavan followed the rules of Dharma, incarnated due to karmas, and then left with karmas that would cause Him to incarnate again one day. Sins and purpose, curses and blessings, they are all rapped up in a nice little bundle called Life (Maya).

Namah Sivaya

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]Friday, October 31, 2003 7:20 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Narasimha,

That was a good distinction:). But then, isn't it a sense of duty and a commitment to the task He had taken upon himself that prompts the Lord's "desire"?

Regards,

Lakshmipvr108 <pvr wrote:

Dear Lakshmi,"Sin" is a heavy word. "Desire" is a simpler word.A soul gets reborn because of desires. Even theLord takes birth when He has a *desire* to do so.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> Om Gurave

Namah> > Namaste Freedom,> > I am puzzled by these repeated references to sin, as the main cause of rebirth. I beg to differ and I feel that a soul reincarnates basically in order to carry out & complete the task given to it. The moment the task is fulfilled the soul is set free ...till such time it's manifestation becomes necessary again.I think the Vishnu avataars illustrate this point well. Don't we all carry within ourselves a spark of that Divine Light?> > Regards,> Lakshmi|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

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Wednesday, November 05, 2003

7:35 AM

varahamihira

RE: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om Gurave

Namah

Namaste

Freedom,

Namaste Laksmi,

Thanks for

your reply. Freedomji, from the begining, life was held sacred by all sages,

especially Human Life. It is said by the Maharishis that unless a Being accumulated

a lot of punya, human birth is not granted to that being, which is contrary to

your theory, please see beginning of this conversation

to understand that this is not a theory but a reply to someone wondering why so

much talk about sin.

You know, Human birth is considered just one step away from

" daivatva " , and a truly great human being is not less than a God

himself.

Human birth in Bhu

loka is the result of punya and papa, not one or the other only. Can you find a

chart with out Punya? Can you find a chart with out Papa? Nahi.

And, Freedom,

when you are saying that the Lord incarnated because of sins and curses, are

you not doubting his own words...yada yada hi dharmasya glaanirbhavathi

bhaarata...Abhuthyanam

adharmasya tadatmanam srijamyaham. paritranaya sadhunam vinahsaya cha

dushkritam. dharmasamsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge " . Ofcourse, it is his tremendous

commitment to upholding of dharma that makes him accountable for his acts,

whenever he took human form. But to say that he incarnated only (who said only?) because of sins and curses, of His own or

some one else's, is silly, silly

if you say only

because He definitely has some higher goal/purpose in mind. yes, there is a purpose to the Lord’s

play. Curses are just

incidental :-))

Curses are not incidental,

they have great meaning in understanding Jyotisha. Which Avatars can help us

overcome which obstacles can be seen by these curses and blessings.

Talking about

Jesus (I have high regard for Him), Freedom, Christianity basically

assumes all beings to be sinners, not all schools of Christianity, that would be like saying

all Hindus do animal sacrifice in Kali temples. which is not so in hinduism. In Hinduism,

all beings and the entire Universe is Narayana and basically blemishless not all schools of Hinduism. Both creeds are opposites, one negative and the

other positive, but both are paths that lead to the Godhead. In both Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism

there are various schools of thought, some negative and some positive. The

Jyotishi sees beyond these. Philosophers can argue why we incarnate, but the chart

reveals the karma of this life. Jai Mahadev

Regards,

Lakshmi

Namah

Shivaya

Freedom

<freedom wrote:

Hare Rama Krsna

Bhagavan makes

the rules of Dharma, and then follows them as well. It was Parasurama killing

his mother that gave Rama the Curse of Mother. It was Rama sending away Sita

that gave Krsna the curse of Venus (but was this not just the curse of Narada

being fulfilled). Guruji said the next Avatars chart will contain certain

curses accrued from the life of Krsna (the battle).

The great epics

start with the stories of how the devas get cursed and how they come to Bhumi

loka to purify themselves of their karma. Devas, let alone humans dont come

perfectly pure to this loka. Guruji often says a man without faults is a man

without virtue. It is our faults/desires/shad-ripus that help us to have

compassion on others. Who doesnt have some sin, how else could Jesus ask the

person with no sin to throw the first stone?

Notice Visnu

didnt just come down to fulfill a purpose and then take off. Bhagavan followed

the rules of Dharma, incarnated due to karmas, and then left with karmas that

would cause Him to incarnate again one day. Sins and purpose, curses and

blessings, they are all rapped up in a nice little bundle called Life (Maya).

Namah Sivaya

lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh]

Friday, October 31, 2003

7:20 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Re:

Jyotirlinga & the knowledge of the purpose of life

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Narasimha,

That was a good distinction:). But then, isn't it a sense of duty

and a commitment to the task He had taken upon himself that prompts the

Lord's " desire " ?

Regards,

Lakshmi

pvr108

<pvr wrote:

Dear Lakshmi,

" Sin " is a heavy word. " Desire " is a simpler word.

A soul gets reborn because of desires. Even the

Lord takes birth when He has a *desire* to do so.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Freedom,

>

> I am puzzled by these repeated references to sin, as the main cause

of rebirth. I beg to differ and I feel that a soul reincarnates

basically in order to carry out & complete the task given to it. The

moment the task is fulfilled the soul is set free ...till such time

it's manifestation becomes necessary again.I think the Vishnu

avataars illustrate this point well. Don't we all carry within

ourselves a spark of that Divine Light?

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

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