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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

 

Namaste,

 

While reading the messages in the archives, I have come across

several times, it was mentioned as Pitri Narayana Dasa (D-12).

 

What I was told and heard so far is " Pitru Devo Bhavah " , here

we use " Pitru " . So why we also say " Pitri " while referring

to D-12 for Parents.

 

Please educate me.

 

Regards

Raghunadha Rao

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Nemani,

Its' Pitri. With the ri like in rishi.

Itrans is pitR^i.

Pitru is a regional corruption due to accent.

 

You can use Dictionaries to verify such queries. Some are available

online.

 

http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/tamil/cap_search.html

http://aa2411s.aa.tufs.ac.jp/~tjun/sktdic/

 

You can also download and install dictionary locally from

http://members.ams.chello.nl/l.bontes/

It uses Monier Williams, I heard some words translated by MW is not

accurate. But nevertheless you can use as a rough guide since it's

available easily.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

 

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Rao Nemani " <raon1008>

wrote:

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> Dear Guru's and Learned Members,

>

> Namaste,

>

> While reading the messages in the archives, I have come across

> several times, it was mentioned as Pitri Narayana Dasa (D-12).

>

> What I was told and heard so far is " Pitru Devo Bhavah " , here

> we use " Pitru " . So why we also say " Pitri " while referring

> to D-12 for Parents.

>

> Please educate me.

>

> Regards

> Raghunadha Rao

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Om Gurave Namah

Dear Sanjay,

 

I protest. You are dismissing one region's illogical convention,

while upholding another region's *equally illogical* convention.

 

If " pitru " is a " regional corruption " (which it is), so is " pitri " .

The latter is a regional corruption too.

 

The correct word/pronunciation is neither. It cannot be. The sound

coming after pit is an VOWEL (the same vowel is found before " shi "

in what some people write as " rishi " and some people from south

India write as " rushi " ). There is no explicit rakaara ( " r " sound) in

that vowel. For God's sake, it is an vowel and not a consonant or

semi-vowel!! That is why pitri (or pitru) is taken as a laghu-laghu

in chhandas and not as a guru-laghu (which it would be, if there is

an explicit r after t).

 

It is obvious that it is neither ri nor ru. It is instead an vowel

that is tough to pronounce. I have seen only a handful of people who

pronounce it right (and the right pronunciation is neither ri nor

ru. Both are inaccurate approximations).

 

So I strongly protest against calling one region's convention " a

corruption due to accent " , when the convention you follow is not any

better at all. If you want, write it as " pitri " , but don't call it

wrong if somebody writes it as " pitru " .

 

If you want, we can discuss it more when we meet this weekend.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Om Gurave Namah

> Dear Nemani,

> Its' Pitri. With the ri like in rishi.

> Itrans is pitR^i.

> Pitru is a regional corruption due to accent.

>

> You can use Dictionaries to verify such queries. Some are

available

> online.

>

> http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/tamil/cap_search.html

> http://aa2411s.aa.tufs.ac.jp/~tjun/sktdic/

>

> You can also download and install dictionary locally from

> http://members.ams.chello.nl/l.bontes/

> It uses Monier Williams, I heard some words translated by MW is

not

> accurate. But nevertheless you can use as a rough guide since it's

> available easily.

>

> Warm Regards

> S. Prabhakaran

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