Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Namah Shivaya Dear Sanjay, Our guru taught the charakaraka replacements this summer in California. Unfortunately I continue to have many questions, none of which involve the accuracy of the technique. There are two areas where I seem to be getting lost and I will give an example chart to make things clearer. The example chart I am offering is: Female: Oct 13, 1951 13:15 Detroit Michigan. In this chart we see a number of exchanges: Replaced by fixed karaka SU 26 VI 25 Amk ME 26 VI 31 Ak SU JU 14 PI 33 Pik JU VE14 LE3 4 Mk MN SA 14 VI 03 PK SU The other area of confusion has to do with when the replacements will take place. Using the natural ages of the planets I think the following would occur. The SU would be replaced by Me at age 32. SA would be replaced first by JU at age 16 and JU would be replaced by VE at age 25 Am I anywhere near being on the right track? Thank you very much, Phyllis - Sanjay Prabhakaran varahamihira Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:04 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Re: Chara Karaka Replacement || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Ajit, I did not want in anyway support one phylosophy or other. Excuse me if in anyway I was trying to support advaita. The chara kaaraka replacements can be understood without delving into those phylosophy. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran - Ajit Krishnan varahamihira Sunday, November 16, 2003 2:45 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Chara Karaka Replacement ... hamsassoham .. Dear Sanjay, The Ak is the soul within you it's not paramatma(supreme soul). Individuals directions in life can change. The individual atma is an amsa of the supreme like a small ray of light coming out many holes of pot having one lamp (Ref: Dakshinamurthi stotra). It's the Ishta devata which is the natives' Supreme understanding. It does not change. The Gaudiya philosophy teaches that the individual atma is an amsa of the paramatma. The Dakshinamiurthi stotra, written by Adi Shankara espouses the advaita philosophy. I find it intriguing when we use one to support the other. To understand this sloka, we can look at Sri Suresvara’s varttika on it. Isvara who had been excessively deluded by maya, shines by knowledge. By meditation on the (ahankara which is) without modifications the Atman shines well. When the covering called avidya is good rid off, this Supreme Lord in the form of Dakshinamurti shines by himself. (Manasollasa 36-37). You interpreted the original verse to show that there is a difference between the unlimited light in the pot, and the limited light shining through the pot (paramatma vs jeevatma). However, Sri Suresvara shows us how to interpret his teacher’s words. The import is that the pot (covering) is maya / avidya. When we learn to see past the avidya / maya, there is no pot….thus, there is no difference between the light what is in the pot, or the light that shines through the pot, either qualitatively or quantitatively. I have always wondered about the statement “The jeevatma is similar to the paramatma in quality, but not in quantity”. I am using this oppurtunity to ask my doubts. By definition, paramatma is complete, all-pervading, infinite etc. If the paramatma does not qualitatively contain what is in the jeevatma, it cannot be complete. Thus, it must contain the contents of the jeevatma (qualitatively). Jeevatma is an amsa of the paramatma (assumption). Even though many jeevatmas have come forth from the paramatma, the paramatma remains complete. As per the well-known statement “poornamadaH …” everything that comes out of the paramatma will also retain those characteristics. There is no mention of quantity there. Thus, the paramatma remains complete, and the jeevatma is also complete. This contradicts the statement we are analyzing. The only other analysis is that when jeevatmas issue forth from the paramatma, the paramatma does not remain complete. This is also unacceptable. Thus, I always end up contradicting the original statement. Is there some fault with my logic? ajit|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Phyllisji, Namaste. Even I am just learning to use these principles in chart. So Please note that my analysis could be as good as yours. > The example chart I am offering is: > Female: > Oct 13, 1951 > 13:15 > Detroit Michigan. > > In this chart we see a number of exchanges: > Replaced by fixed karaka > SU 26 VI 25 Amk > ME 26 VI 31 Ak SU > JU 14 PI 33 Pik JU > VE14 LE3 4 Mk MN > SA 14 VI 03 PK SU > The SU would be replaced by Me at age 32. If you notice in this chart Sun and mercury are conjoined both in Rasi and Navamsa so the effects of the chara kaaraka replacement may not be noticable easily as the competing Ak(Sun) has same relation ships with other chara kaarakas as before(Mercury). So at the age 32 there may not be important changes with relation ships which could be attributed to this relacement. But the persons own nature could have changed from a Mercurial one (Jocular,changing nature) to Sun type. Maybe more ego or dominating etc. And the New amatya (Advisors) are now Jupiter which is actually better. and Jupiter is in 1-7 with Ak Sun. > SA would be replaced first by JU at age 16 and > JU would be replaced by VE at age 25 Important one could be this Jupiter getting replace by the Venus as Jupiter is in 6-8 relation with Venus. The change could be very radically felt at the 25th year. Moreover the New Matri Kaaraka is Venus is in 12th house from Ak. So there could be some distancing from mother at this age. Since the PiK is getting out. There could be some danger to father depending on the replaceing Sthira Kaaraka.The new Pitri Kaaraka (father's and elders) would be the one stronger between Sthira Kaaraka Sun and Venus. Both are conjoined equal number of planets so it's a tought decision to select. If I try to reverse deduce, If the father's health suffered then it's possibly Ve. If the person got closer to father then it could be Sun. But sudden parental related changes are seen in at this age. I have yet to understand more deeply when 2-3 replacements happen as in this case. The Putra kaaraka is also involved so changes accur again due to children. But the natural age is higher at 35th year. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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