#2 The old king in new cloth (Ishta Devata) ?

[Guest guest]

Dear Nitin,

 

Yes, it surprised me too, which was the reason I brought it up.

I simply don't understand how one can place such a generalized stuff on the

net as it does more harm than good...

Well, I guess thats the price of " freedom " on the net ...

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

 

 

 

-

" Nitin Khanna " <sjvc

<varahamihira >

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:57 AM

|Sri Varaha| #2 The old king in new cloth (Ishta Devata) ?

 

 

> |Jai Durga Maa|

>

> Dear Jay,

>

> I was a little surprised by how generic this method is. Equally generic

are are readings here. If we are to go by this method, then consider the

possibility that time stands still on particular days, and the dynamism of

the Stars are frozen.

>

> If we are in agreement to the above, then the calculation of the Navamsa

and the planets reflected therein would be identical to all.

>

> Consider December 29, 2003 in Wayne, NJ, USA.

>

> CHART I

> Time: 12AM

>

> 1) A chart with birth time at 12AM has the AtmaKaraka as Moon

> Moon is in Gemini Navamsa.

>

> 2) 12th from Moon is Ketu / Venus in Taurus, in the Navamsa.

>

> 3) As per the principles I have understood, the Ishta would be symbollic

of the combination listed in (2).

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> CHART II

>

> 1) A chart with birth time at 12PM has the AtMakaKaraka as Jupiter.

> Jupiter is in Scorpio Navamsa.

>

> 2) 12th from Jupiter has Libra, with no planet in it in the Navamsa.

>

> 3) As per the principles I have understood, the Ishta would be symbollic

of the combination listed in (2).

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Tha Jaimini Sutras are very deep and the introductory chapters even

outline why the verses are in the number of lines they are, amongst other

subtleties.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> The Ishta is at the level of the SOUL....... that what has been described

on the site is on the mundane level (similar to the experiences of the

Lagnesh / and perhaps the Moon.)

>

>

> Just for fun (others may ignore, if not in a humorous mood)...

>

> The Ishta as revealted to me is Jupiter in my Navamsa.

>

> Let's see how the reading spans out for me?

> (I thought more on the philosophy behind these, rather than the

interpretations. I'm sure the author may be hinting at some buried

principles, bur could not conclude anything...)

>

> (I was born April 25, and Durga Ma is the one to grant me emancipation,

according to the site)

>

> You like to shop a great deal and specifically look for bargains.

> [Nope. Rahu in 12th makes me an impulsive spender]

>

> You are a great cook and will make a great chef .

> [i am not a great cook. I am still living a bachelor's life, and will

probably not make a great chef.]

>

> Any dishes prepared by you will be tasty.

> [sure, when I prepare them.... ]

>

> You are advised to always serve food to reap good karmas.

> [i am currently homeless, under the protecition of my relatives. When I

get my kitchen, you are welcome for a meal.]

>

> Anyone who visits your home and are fed will bless you with prosperity.

> [i hope so. More so is the hope that even those who I cannot feed will

bless me.

>

> I am reminded of Shri Krishna who had half a grain of rice and fed the

world, on Draupadi's request. The other half fed some Sadhus who were

invited for a meal.

>

> Nowhere am I compared to this, but I still hope.

>

>

>

> You do not like to deal with work that involves much calculations.

> [My work doesn't involve much calculations, and hence I cannot comment.

Yes, though, math is not the strongest of skills I have.]

>

> You have a kind heart and are very helpful (sometimes too much).

> [Everyone on this list has a kind heart, according to me. Sometimes too

much -- yes. Can be said for all.]

>

> Others may take advantage of your kindness.

> [Anyone can take advantage of one's kindness. People who have Rahu as

AtmaKaraka can probably attest to this.]

>

> You are a very religious person.

> [No, I am not religious. I consider myself deeply spiritual.]

>

> You have a great voice and may become a famous singer.

> [My AtmaKaraka is Mercury, with Ketu in the 6th House of Pisces (mute

sign). I have little vaach siddhi, and don't talk much. I don't have the

pitch, intonation, frequency or other things I could consider for a good

voice. Yes, I may become a famous singer. So could you(?)]

>

> Marriage may become difficult as a result of illicit affairs.

> [illicit Affairs = 0. Affairs = 0. Illicit = 0. My Baadhak is in the 7th

House, and Venus afflicted. Is the latter a better reason for a bachelor

getting jittery on the prospect of marriage? I'm hinting at other principles

to decipher these, and not just the date of one's birth...]

>

>

> You can receive a great deal of love...but cannot give it.

> [How does one define love? I do receive a great deal of love. It is from

the angels who sit on my shoulders the Gurus who bless me with their light

and fellow mankind. I try to reciprocate this.....]

>

> You are not romantic but like to be romanced.

> [i am very romantic, but don't play it out. I have A7 in 8th from AL.

> I am uncomfortable with dating.]

>

> Best wishes,

> Nitin.

> :>

>

> |Namah Shivaaya|

>

>

> --

> " J.-Weiss " <jayhw

> varahamihira

> Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:14:25 +0100

>

> >--

>

> >Dear all,

> >

> >Sanjay taught us about Ishta Devata in a very clear way.

> >Suddenly, I find the following site on the net, which basic concept of

Ishta Devata is a complete deferent story.

> >There is a Ishta Devata concept for 'day lord', 'house numbers' etc.

> >

> >Can any of the learned members take a look at

http://www.swamiram.com/birthlord.html and comment on this ?

> >

> >Regards

> >/Jay Weiss

> >http://www.alvicomm.com

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

[Guest guest]

" freedom " on the net!!!! What dirt are you trying to talk on me Jay. Just

joking:)

 

Hare Rama Krsna

 

Just noting that in Chandrakalanadi the 12th house to the karakamsa is

called jivanmuktamsa. Jiva is soul, mukta is liberation, amsa is division.

It is the division that indicates how /where the soul will get moksa. We are

taken to moksa by the Ishta.

Also the 9th house from karakamsa is called viGYanamsa. viGYana is higher

wisdom. So it is the amsa of higher wisdon/learning which we are guided to

by Dharma devata.

Namah Sivaya

Freedom

 

 

J.-Weiss [jayhw]

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:17 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| #2 The old king in new cloth (Ishta Devata) ?

 

Dear Nitin,

 

Yes, it surprised me too, which was the reason I brought it up.

I simply don't understand how one can place such a generalized stuff on the

net as it does more harm than good...

Well, I guess thats the price of " freedom " on the net ...

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

 

 

 

-

" Nitin Khanna " <sjvc

<varahamihira >

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:57 AM

|Sri Varaha| #2 The old king in new cloth (Ishta Devata) ?

 

 

> |Jai Durga Maa|

>

> Dear Jay,

>

> I was a little surprised by how generic this method is. Equally generic

are are readings here. If we are to go by this method, then consider the

possibility that time stands still on particular days, and the dynamism of

the Stars are frozen.

>

> If we are in agreement to the above, then the calculation of the Navamsa

and the planets reflected therein would be identical to all.

>

> Consider December 29, 2003 in Wayne, NJ, USA.

>

> CHART I

> Time: 12AM

>

> 1) A chart with birth time at 12AM has the AtmaKaraka as Moon

> Moon is in Gemini Navamsa.

>

> 2) 12th from Moon is Ketu / Venus in Taurus, in the Navamsa.

>

> 3) As per the principles I have understood, the Ishta would be symbollic

of the combination listed in (2).

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> CHART II

>

> 1) A chart with birth time at 12PM has the AtMakaKaraka as Jupiter.

> Jupiter is in Scorpio Navamsa.

>

> 2) 12th from Jupiter has Libra, with no planet in it in the Navamsa.

>

> 3) As per the principles I have understood, the Ishta would be symbollic

of the combination listed in (2).

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Tha Jaimini Sutras are very deep and the introductory chapters even

outline why the verses are in the number of lines they are, amongst other

subtleties.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> The Ishta is at the level of the SOUL....... that what has been described

on the site is on the mundane level (similar to the experiences of the

Lagnesh / and perhaps the Moon.)

>

>

> Just for fun (others may ignore, if not in a humorous mood)...

>

> The Ishta as revealted to me is Jupiter in my Navamsa.

>

> Let's see how the reading spans out for me?

> (I thought more on the philosophy behind these, rather than the

interpretations. I'm sure the author may be hinting at some buried

principles, bur could not conclude anything...)

>

> (I was born April 25, and Durga Ma is the one to grant me emancipation,

according to the site)

>

> You like to shop a great deal and specifically look for bargains.

> [Nope. Rahu in 12th makes me an impulsive spender]

>

> You are a great cook and will make a great chef .

> [i am not a great cook. I am still living a bachelor's life, and will

probably not make a great chef.]

>

> Any dishes prepared by you will be tasty.

> [sure, when I prepare them.... ]

>

> You are advised to always serve food to reap good karmas.

> [i am currently homeless, under the protecition of my relatives. When I

get my kitchen, you are welcome for a meal.]

>

> Anyone who visits your home and are fed will bless you with prosperity.

> [i hope so. More so is the hope that even those who I cannot feed will

bless me.

>

> I am reminded of Shri Krishna who had half a grain of rice and fed the

world, on Draupadi's request. The other half fed some Sadhus who were

invited for a meal.

>

> Nowhere am I compared to this, but I still hope.

>

>

>

> You do not like to deal with work that involves much calculations.

> [My work doesn't involve much calculations, and hence I cannot comment.

Yes, though, math is not the strongest of skills I have.]

>

> You have a kind heart and are very helpful (sometimes too much).

> [Everyone on this list has a kind heart, according to me. Sometimes too

much -- yes. Can be said for all.]

>

> Others may take advantage of your kindness.

> [Anyone can take advantage of one's kindness. People who have Rahu as

AtmaKaraka can probably attest to this.]

>

> You are a very religious person.

> [No, I am not religious. I consider myself deeply spiritual.]

>

> You have a great voice and may become a famous singer.

> [My AtmaKaraka is Mercury, with Ketu in the 6th House of Pisces (mute

sign). I have little vaach siddhi, and don't talk much. I don't have the

pitch, intonation, frequency or other things I could consider for a good

voice. Yes, I may become a famous singer. So could you(?)]

>

> Marriage may become difficult as a result of illicit affairs.

> [illicit Affairs = 0. Affairs = 0. Illicit = 0. My Baadhak is in the 7th

House, and Venus afflicted. Is the latter a better reason for a bachelor

getting jittery on the prospect of marriage? I'm hinting at other principles

to decipher these, and not just the date of one's birth...]

>

>

> You can receive a great deal of love...but cannot give it.

> [How does one define love? I do receive a great deal of love. It is from

the angels who sit on my shoulders the Gurus who bless me with their light

and fellow mankind. I try to reciprocate this.....]

>

> You are not romantic but like to be romanced.

> [i am very romantic, but don't play it out. I have A7 in 8th from AL.

> I am uncomfortable with dating.]

>

> Best wishes,

> Nitin.

> :>

>

> |Namah Shivaaya|

>

>

> --

> " J.-Weiss " <jayhw

> varahamihira

> Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:14:25 +0100

>

> >--

>

> >Dear all,

> >

> >Sanjay taught us about Ishta Devata in a very clear way.

> >Suddenly, I find the following site on the net, which basic concept of

Ishta Devata is a complete deferent story.

> >There is a Ishta Devata concept for 'day lord', 'house numbers' etc.

> >

> >Can any of the learned members take a look at

http://www.swamiram.com/birthlord.html and comment on this ?

> >

> >Regards

> >/Jay Weiss

> >http://www.alvicomm.com

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

[Guest guest]

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear List, Namaste.

I was asked to take some time out to answer this question.

I can say that i have recieved all your emails (to my private

account - visti) regarding the Puri Confernce and

the various places of visit. All those who have requested to see the

Copper plate reader or visit Konark have been written on a list.

 

The site presents dates, based on the gregorian calendar, without

the consideration of the specific year one was born.

This points to the fact that this calendars system is not based on

neither the Weekday (vaara) nor the Lunar day (tithi). We may hence

infer that it has nothing todo with the Vedic-system of reckoning

time. This reminds me of some of those astrologers who claim todo

Jyotish based on the gregorian date of birth..

 

Whilst i do not know the basis of the start of the Gregorian

calendar, i will not comment on its authenticity, but it is surely

not part of the Vedic System of Jyotish and should be rejected.

 

Now the term; Ishta Devata is highly misused depending on the school

of thought. Actually the propper terminology for the 12th from

Karakamsa is; Jeevanmuktaamsa (refer chandra kaala nadi) - which

means; " that division which will liberate the being/native " .

 

Even the word; Devata is somewhat restricting for the 12th from

Karakamsa, and the propper term should be " Ishta " or " Jeevanmukta-

amsa " .

 

The Ishta is a term used for that form of God which has caused your

birth and will liberate it. As we've allready been created, the next

step is identifying the deity which will " take us out of this

abode " . This is seen from the 12th house.

1. The 12th from Lagna showing the one liberating us from our birth

place and body (lagna).

2. The 12th from Moon showing the one liberating our mind from its

constant perceptions and thoughts.

3. The 12th from Atmakaraka, showing the one liberating our soul

from its constant rebirth.

 

The Weekday lord is part of the Pancha-anga, and the Pancha-Tattva.

Those who are learnt in the Sankhya Shastra, will know that the

Tattva's are the base elements of our creations, arising out of

Vasudev's union with Neela Shakti.

 

It is pertinent to ask whether that deity which will cause our

liberation is limited by the 5 elements, or is beyond the same.

Otherwise we may accept that this created universe is all there is,

and nothing is beyond it. Depending on your idea's regarding the

same, you may hence accept or reject this.

 

Those interested in worshipping their day lord should do so for good

health.

 

Hope this helps

Jaya Jagannath

p.s. Good mail Nitin. Kanupriya and Jay - Use your current logic to

accept or reject something.. this site seems to be someones

invention.

Best wishes, Visti.

 

 

varahamihira , " J.-Weiss " <jayhw@t...> wrote:

> Dear Nitin,

>

> Yes, it surprised me too, which was the reason I brought it up.

> I simply don't understand how one can place such a generalized

stuff on the

> net as it does more harm than good...

> Well, I guess thats the price of " freedom " on the net ...

>

> Kind regards

> /Jay Weiss

> http://www.alvicomm.com

>

>

>

> -

> " Nitin Khanna " <sjvc@j...>

> <varahamihira >

> Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:57 AM

> |Sri Varaha| #2 The old king in new cloth (Ishta Devata) ?

>

>

> > |Jai Durga Maa|

> >

> > Dear Jay,

> >

> > I was a little surprised by how generic this method is. Equally

generic

> are are readings here. If we are to go by this method, then

consider the

> possibility that time stands still on particular days, and the

dynamism of

> the Stars are frozen.

> >

> > If we are in agreement to the above, then the calculation of the

Navamsa

> and the planets reflected therein would be identical to all.

> >

> > Consider December 29, 2003 in Wayne, NJ, USA.

> >

> > CHART I

> > Time: 12AM

> >

> > 1) A chart with birth time at 12AM has the AtmaKaraka as Moon

> > Moon is in Gemini Navamsa.

> >

> > 2) 12th from Moon is Ketu / Venus in Taurus, in the Navamsa.

> >

> > 3) As per the principles I have understood, the Ishta would be

symbollic

> of the combination listed in (2).

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > CHART II

> >

> > 1) A chart with birth time at 12PM has the AtMakaKaraka as

Jupiter.

> > Jupiter is in Scorpio Navamsa.

> >

> > 2) 12th from Jupiter has Libra, with no planet in it in the

Navamsa.

> >

> > 3) As per the principles I have understood, the Ishta would be

symbollic

> of the combination listed in (2).

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > Tha Jaimini Sutras are very deep and the introductory chapters

even

> outline why the verses are in the number of lines they are,

amongst other

> subtleties.

> >

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > The Ishta is at the level of the SOUL....... that what has been

described

> on the site is on the mundane level (similar to the experiences of

the

> Lagnesh / and perhaps the Moon.)

> >

> >

> > Just for fun (others may ignore, if not in a humorous mood)...

> >

> > The Ishta as revealted to me is Jupiter in my Navamsa.

> >

> > Let's see how the reading spans out for me?

> > (I thought more on the philosophy behind these, rather than the

> interpretations. I'm sure the author may be hinting at some buried

> principles, bur could not conclude anything...)

> >

> > (I was born April 25, and Durga Ma is the one to grant me

emancipation,

> according to the site)

> >

> > You like to shop a great deal and specifically look for bargains.

> > [Nope. Rahu in 12th makes me an impulsive spender]

> >

> > You are a great cook and will make a great chef .

> > [i am not a great cook. I am still living a bachelor's life, and

will

> probably not make a great chef.]

> >

> > Any dishes prepared by you will be tasty.

> > [sure, when I prepare them.... ]

> >

> > You are advised to always serve food to reap good karmas.

> > [i am currently homeless, under the protecition of my relatives.

When I

> get my kitchen, you are welcome for a meal.]

> >

> > Anyone who visits your home and are fed will bless you with

prosperity.

> > [i hope so. More so is the hope that even those who I cannot

feed will

> bless me.

> >

> > I am reminded of Shri Krishna who had half a grain of rice and

fed the

> world, on Draupadi's request. The other half fed some Sadhus who

were

> invited for a meal.

> >

> > Nowhere am I compared to this, but I still hope.

> >

> >

> >

> > You do not like to deal with work that involves much

calculations.

> > [My work doesn't involve much calculations, and hence I cannot

comment.

> Yes, though, math is not the strongest of skills I have.]

> >

> > You have a kind heart and are very helpful (sometimes too much).

> > [Everyone on this list has a kind heart, according to me.

Sometimes too

> much -- yes. Can be said for all.]

> >

> > Others may take advantage of your kindness.

> > [Anyone can take advantage of one's kindness. People who have

Rahu as

> AtmaKaraka can probably attest to this.]

> >

> > You are a very religious person.

> > [No, I am not religious. I consider myself deeply spiritual.]

> >

> > You have a great voice and may become a famous singer.

> > [My AtmaKaraka is Mercury, with Ketu in the 6th House of Pisces

(mute

> sign). I have little vaach siddhi, and don't talk much. I don't

have the

> pitch, intonation, frequency or other things I could consider for

a good

> voice. Yes, I may become a famous singer. So could you(?)]

> >

> > Marriage may become difficult as a result of illicit affairs.

> > [illicit Affairs = 0. Affairs = 0. Illicit = 0. My Baadhak is in

the 7th

> House, and Venus afflicted. Is the latter a better reason for a

bachelor

> getting jittery on the prospect of marriage? I'm hinting at other

principles

> to decipher these, and not just the date of one's birth...]

> >

> >

> > You can receive a great deal of love...but cannot give it.

> > [How does one define love? I do receive a great deal of love. It

is from

> the angels who sit on my shoulders the Gurus who bless me with

their light

> and fellow mankind. I try to reciprocate this.....]

> >

> > You are not romantic but like to be romanced.

> > [i am very romantic, but don't play it out. I have A7 in 8th

from AL.

> > I am uncomfortable with dating.]

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Nitin.

> > :>

> >

> > |Namah Shivaaya|

> >

> >

> > --

> > " J.-Weiss " <jayhw@t...>

> > varahamihira

> > Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:14:25 +0100

> >

> > >--

> >

> > >Dear all,

> > >

> > >Sanjay taught us about Ishta Devata in a very clear way.

> > >Suddenly, I find the following site on the net, which basic

concept of

> Ishta Devata is a complete deferent story.

> > >There is a Ishta Devata concept for 'day lord', 'house numbers'

etc.

> > >

> > >Can any of the learned members take a look at

> http://www.swamiram.com/birthlord.html and comment on this ?

> > >

> > >Regards

> > >/Jay Weiss

> > >http://www.alvicomm.com

> >

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> >