FW: Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit]

Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:26 AM

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RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Nitish,

 

Intellect could be the crude translation of the dhi shakti or the

ability to dicern between the right and the wrong, the true and the

false. Thus, it is more related to the soul than the mind.

 

We know that we are made of the Soul and Mind, besides the gross body.

Mind is the culprit which makes us belive something which isn't. The

mind get the information from the senses and acts in a way so as to

pacify them. The only one who can put the check on the mind's activity

is the soul and it does it with the help of intelligence. So when

intelligence overcomes the tendency of the mind to go along with the

senses, the person is said to have controlled his senses and ready to

understand things which are beyond perception of the mortal senses.

 

Hence its not the intelligence which makes the first mistake, but it's

the mind which does.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99]

Friday, December 26, 2003 8:26 PM

varahamihira

RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish

 

Dear freedom,

Thanks. You are very good at astrology. Extending

the karakamsa and ishta related set of rules, it is

easy to see that 12th from lagna lord of D-1 will show

the intellectual bindings one has regarding himself,

and related deity. For an intellectual it is important

to get rid of them as it is the intellect commits the

first mistake (ketu) i.e. indistinction between

permanent and temporary.

Ofcourse, the momentum to continue with ones'

mistakes comes from attachments to objects of desire

that occurs in heart and is represented by AK.

Otherwise, an unattached intellectual can easily

discard all that is temporary from his intellectual

inquiry.

 

regards,

nitish

 

--- Freedom <freedom wrote:

>

> General rule:

> " With reference to the soul, we analyze the

> Karakamsa Lagna of the

> native. With reference to the intellect, we analyze

> the Navamsa Lagna of

> the native "

> This is the primary thing to look at in the navamsa.

>

> Abilities are in relation to intellect so we use

> navamsa lagna. Ista is

> in reference to the soul so we use Karakamsa. We

> don't need to be

> jeevamuktas to see the chart from the karakamsa. The

> soul is always

> guiding, we all have souls. Thoughts arise in the

> mind from much deeper.

> The body is the chariot, Arjuna is the mind and

> Krsna is the soul.

> Worship of the ishta is allowing Krsna to guide. You

> don't need to be

> jeevamukta to use the ista in the jeevamuktamsa, you

> use the ista to get

> to jeevamuktamsa. The Ista mantra is the invocation

> of the

> jeevamuktamsa. Notice also that the Ista mantras

> Sanjay recommended in

> the west coast conferences in 2002 are all

> dwadakshari (12 syllable), so

> they are activating the 12th house from karakamsa.

>

> You asked about 12th from D-1 Lagnesh in Navamsa,

> this is not generally

> used. The D-1 lagnesh is used in the Navamsa is like

> any other planet.

> For example, in my chart Mercury is lagnesh. It is

> placed in Aquarius in

> my navamsa. Aquarius is my Rasi 9th house, so

> Mercury will have a strong

> effect on 9th house activities, my father is a

> businessman. Moon is in

> Leo in my navamsa, which is the 3rd house in my

> rasi, this means Moon

> will have a strong effect on the 3rd house, my

> younger brother works in

> the healing/medical profession. Notice that this

> technique effects the

> karakas.

>

> We can also use the signs to see how a planet is

> affecting our own life.

> My Mercury is in Virgo in the Rasi, and in Aquarius

> in the Navamsa, this

> is 6 signs away. So I will get 6th house results in

> the Mahadasa of

> Mercury. Moon is in Aries in Rasi and Leo in

> Navamsa, 5 signs away, so I

> will get 5th house results in Moon Mahadasa, (and

> let me tell you, I'm

> running Moon:).

>

> More important than 12th from D-1 lagnesh in D-9 is

> 12th house from the

> D-1 lagna in D-9 which is called Vyayamsa. This is a

> general view point

> from lagnamsa.

>

> LAGNAMSA (D-1 lagna in Navamsa)

> The lagnamsa will show the direction of

> intelligence, what you prefer,

> and your choices, ie. Jupiter in daramsa will make a

> person prefer an

> educated spouse, saturn in sukhamsa will make a

> person prefer or like

> old houses.

>

> We can analyze the lagnamsa with reference to the

> purva punya. A planet

> in the lagnamsa will have a strong stamp on a

> person, a planet in

> daramsa will have a strong influence on one's

> partner. What this stamp

> is must be seen from the D-60 (not D-9).

>

> The main house to see is the 2nd from the lagnamsa.

> It will show the

> direction of your dhi relative to karmas (works done

> in this world).

> Jaimini says that lagnamsa in the 11th house will

> lead a person to moksa

> (because 12th is 2nd). Lagnamsa in 10th makes a

> person always focused on

> gains, lagnamsa in 9th makes a person always focused

> on work. We look at

> 2nd because it is 10th from the 5th.

>

>

>

> This is from Sanjay's lecture on Navamsa at the 2003

> ACVA Conference in

> Sedona, Arizona. Tapes available from ACVA.

>

> 2.2 Rasi Tulya Navamsa (bhava-amsa)

> Rasi-tulya navamsa is also called Bhava sucaka

> navamsa and it's the

> navamsa chart as perceived from the Rasi lagna. If

> the native has Pisces

> Lagna, then we would see the position of the planets

> in navamsa with

> reference to Pisces Lagna.

> The above classification has been used freely in

> Dhruva Nadi. A

> different classification has been used in Deva

> Keralam. In this

> classification more emphasis has been laid on

> presence of planets in

> kendra and kona.

> Some examples from Deva Keralam:

> 1. If navamsa rasi of Venus falls in Kendra in rasi

> chart, a kind

> of Raja-Yoga is formed.

> 2. A planet occupying an angular navamsa will bring

> royal

> authority.

> This classification is very important and useful in

> judging Raja-Yogas

> and worth of a chart. If more planets fall in

> Bhagyamsa (9th), Karmamsa

> (10th), Labhamsa (11th), Lagnamsa (1st) or Sukhamsa

> (4th, the native

> leads a happy and prosperous life.

> Conversely if more planets occupy Shashtamsa (6th),

> Nidhanamsa (8th) or

> Vyayamsa (12th) the native may confront many

> difficulties in life.

>

> Namah Sivaya

>

>

>

> Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99]

> Monday, December 22, 2003 12:57 PM

> varahamihira

> Cc: dubey_keshav

> RE: |Sri Varaha| #2 The old king in new

> cloth (Ishta Devata) ?

> - to freedom

>

> Dear freedom,

> Thanks for quoting from Chandrakalanadi. I have a

> question from you.

> What do u think about the 12th house from the

> position of D-1 ascendant lord in D-9? What

> importance/use does it have, in comparison to 12th

> from karakamsa in deciding the direction of life of

> a

> native, while we are still not jeevanmuktas (say,

> 90%+

> people of the world)?

> If you explain with an example, it will be a

> great

> help to my understanding.

> regards,

> nitish

>

>

> --- Freedom <freedom wrote:

> >

> >

> > " freedom " on the net!!!! What dirt are you trying

> to

> > talk on me Jay. Just

> > joking:)

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna

> >

> > Just noting that in Chandrakalanadi the 12th house

> > to the karakamsa is

> > called jivanmuktamsa. Jiva is soul, mukta is

> > liberation, amsa is division.

> > It is the division that indicates how /where the

> > soul will get moksa. We are

> > taken to moksa by the Ishta.

> > Also the 9th house from karakamsa is called

> > viGYanamsa. viGYana is higher

> > wisdom. So it is the amsa of higher

> wisdon/learning

> > which we are guided to

> > by Dharma devata.

> > Namah Sivaya

> > Freedom

> >

> >

> > J.-Weiss [jayhw]

> > Tuesday, December 16, 2003 12:17 PM

> > varahamihira

> > Re: |Sri Varaha| #2 The old king in new

> > cloth (Ishta Devata) ?

> >

> > Dear Nitin,

> >

>

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit]

Friday, January 02, 2004 7:15 PM

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RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Nitish,

 

Yes, I have no doubt that we are saying the same things but might be

with different words. You did a good job with defining the constructs

before using them to express your ideas.

 

In the game of the Soul and the mind, some gets dominant on ohe other at

different times. Both have their own say in the daily affairs of our

life, our purpose and out final goal. Both understand the reality in

their own sense and one of them is true and one of them is false. I tend

to believe that there is a third party, which takes sides either with

the soul or the Mind, which gives us the understanding of the state of

affairs at that point of time. If it takes the side of the Mind, them we

perceive the false reality whereas if takes the side of the soul, the we

perceive the true reality. We might say that's our intellect.

 

However, I am more inclined to take intelligence as the agent which

makes us querry and gives the understanding of the things. It always

takes side of the Soul as it is aware of the True reality. However, I

say, if our understanding of True reality is not complete, then I would

not say that the intelligence is taking side of the Mind but, I would

rather say that the intelligence is rather clouded by the Mind and it is

unable to express its true nature. This eliminates the possibility of

any third party called the Intellect which would reconcile with Soul and

Mind and gives us the understanding of the current state of affairs, may

it be based on true reality or false reality.

 

Whatever I said is however, based on my own understanding. :-)

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99]

Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:35 PM

varahamihira

Re:|Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish

 

Dear Sarajit,

Your understanding doesn't differ from mine but the

explanation does because you take a different meaning

of three words: intellect, mind and Dhi. I will give

my definition of these three words: -

 

Intellect is the instrument/faculty of questioning

without identification and is born out of the pure

dualistic nature of consciousness at mooladhara chakra

(mercury ruler). It is certainly diverted to whoever

it gets associated/identified with because it has no

identification of its own.

Mind is the awareness of different sensory

activities. It has no real identification of its own

and hence no nature whatsoever.

Dhi is consciousness of self-sufficiency and is

beyond dualistic explanation. Note that no

intellectual/dualisitic escape is intended.

 

Using these definitions together I have following

reasoning:

1. Dhi can never make a mistake, by definition.

2. Mind is without identification, by definition,

and its functionality (i.e. moving from one sensory

awareness to another) is often confused for its

existence followed by its mistake.

3. Intellect can not make a mistake in its

functionality of pure questioning, by definition. So

there is no question of first mistake anywhere in the

functionality of the three elements.

 

Why I said that intellect makes the first mistake

is because of the opinion that it is the only one

which comes under complete control of ahamkara, which

is the principle of identification. And ahamkara, is

again a non-existing principle because it has no

identification of its own.

 

Ahamkara, by definition and no-definition, is akin

to identification of one object with another object

which in turn is identified as a third object and so

on.

 

Please note the gradual shift from intellect to

intelligence (which I pick as Dhi) in your mail to

understand the self-approval (a function of Dhi) of

your line of reasoning. There could be a few mistakes

in my own line of reasoning as well in a similar

manner, but I don't have time to sort them out at the

instant.

regards,

nitish

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:

>

>

>

> Sarajit Poddar

> [sarajit]

> Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:26 AM

> 'varahamihira '

> RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa

> -to nitish

>

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Nitish,

>

> Intellect could be the crude translation of the dhi

> shakti or the

> ability to dicern between the right and the wrong,

> the true and the

> false. Thus, it is more related to the soul than the

> mind.

>

> We know that we are made of the Soul and Mind,

> besides the gross body.

> Mind is the culprit which makes us belive something

> which isn't. The

> mind get the information from the senses and acts in

> a way so as to

> pacify them. The only one who can put the check on

> the mind's activity

> is the soul and it does it with the help of

> intelligence. So when

> intelligence overcomes the tendency of the mind to

> go along with the

> senses, the person is said to have controlled his

> senses and ready to

> understand things which are beyond perception of the

> mortal senses.

>

> Hence its not the intelligence which makes the first

> mistake, but it's

> the mind which does.

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

>

> Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99]

> Friday, December 26, 2003 8:26 PM

> varahamihira

> RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa

> -to nitish

>

> Dear freedom,

> Thanks. You are very good at astrology. Extending

> the karakamsa and ishta related set of rules, it is

> easy to see that 12th from lagna lord of D-1 will

> show

> the intellectual bindings one has regarding himself,

> and related deity. For an intellectual it is

> important

> to get rid of them as it is the intellect commits

> the

> first mistake (ketu) i.e. indistinction between

> permanent and temporary.

> Ofcourse, the momentum to continue with ones'

> mistakes comes from attachments to objects of desire

> that occurs in heart and is represented by AK.

> Otherwise, an unattached intellectual can easily

> discard all that is temporary from his intellectual

> inquiry.

>

> regards,

> nitish

>

> --- Freedom <freedom wrote:

> >

> > General rule:

> > " With reference to the soul, we analyze the

> > Karakamsa Lagna of the

> > native. With reference to the intellect, we

> analyze

> > the Navamsa Lagna of

> > the native "

> > This is the primary thing to look at in the

> navamsa.

> >

> > Abilities are in relation to intellect so we use

> > navamsa lagna. Ista is

> > in reference to the soul so we use Karakamsa. We

> > don't need to be

> > jeevamuktas to see the chart from the karakamsa.

> The

> > soul is always

> > guiding, we all have souls. Thoughts arise in the

> > mind from much deeper.

> > The body is the chariot, Arjuna is the mind and

> > Krsna is the soul.

> > Worship of the ishta is allowing Krsna to guide.

> You

> > don't need to be

> > jeevamukta to use the ista in the jeevamuktamsa,

> you

> > use the ista to get

> > to jeevamuktamsa. The Ista mantra is the

> invocation

> > of the

> > jeevamuktamsa. Notice also that the Ista mantras

> > Sanjay recommended in

> > the west coast conferences in 2002 are all

> > dwadakshari (12 syllable), so

> > they are activating the 12th house from karakamsa.

> >

> > You asked about 12th from D-1 Lagnesh in Navamsa,

> > this is not generally

> > used. The D-1 lagnesh is used in the Navamsa is

> like

> > any other planet.

> > For example, in my chart Mercury is lagnesh. It is

> > placed in Aquarius in

> > my navamsa. Aquarius is my Rasi 9th house, so

> > Mercury will have a strong

> > effect on 9th house activities, my father is a

> > businessman. Moon is in

> > Leo in my navamsa, which is the 3rd house in my

> > rasi, this means Moon

> > will have a strong effect on the 3rd house, my

> > younger brother works in

> > the healing/medical profession. Notice that this

> > technique effects the

> > karakas.

> >

> > We can also use the signs to see how a planet is

> > affecting our own life.

> > My Mercury is in Virgo in the Rasi, and in

> Aquarius

> > in the Navamsa, this

> > is 6 signs away. So I will get 6th house results

> in

> > the Mahadasa of

> > Mercury. Moon is in Aries in Rasi and Leo in

> > Navamsa, 5 signs away, so I

> > will get 5th house results in Moon Mahadasa, (and

> > let me tell you, I'm

> > running Moon:).

> >

> > More important than 12th from D-1 lagnesh in D-9

> is

> > 12th house from the

> > D-1 lagna in D-9 which is called Vyayamsa. This is

> a

> > general view point

> > from lagnamsa.

> >

> > LAGNAMSA (D-1 lagna in Navamsa)

> > The lagnamsa will show the direction of

> > intelligence, what you prefer,

> > and your choices, ie. Jupiter in daramsa will make

> a

> > person prefer an

> > educated spouse, saturn in sukhamsa will make a

> > person prefer or like

> > old houses.

> >

> > We can analyze the lagnamsa with reference to the

> > purva punya. A planet

> > in the lagnamsa will have a strong stamp on a

> > person, a planet in

> > daramsa will have a strong influence on one's

> > partner. What this stamp

> > is must be seen from the D-60 (not D-9).

> >

> > The main house to see is the 2nd from the

> lagnamsa.

> > It will show the

> > direction of your dhi relative to karmas (works

> done

> > in this world).

> > Jaimini says that lagnamsa in the 11th house will

> > lead a person to moksa

> > (because 12th is 2nd). Lagnamsa in 10th makes a

> > person always focused on

> > gains, lagnamsa in 9th makes a person always

> focused

> > on work. We look at

> > 2nd because it is 10th from the 5th.

> >

> >

> >

> > This is from Sanjay's lecture on Navamsa at the

> 2003

> > ACVA Conference in

> > Sedona, Arizona. Tapes available from ACVA.

> >

> > 2.2 Rasi Tulya Navamsa (bhava-amsa)

> > Rasi-tulya navamsa is also called Bhava sucaka

> > navamsa and it's the

> > navamsa chart as perceived from the Rasi lagna. If

> > the native has Pisces

> > Lagna, then we would see the position of the

> planets

> > in navamsa with

> > reference to Pisces Lagna.

>

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