Re:Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish

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Dear Sarajit,

Your understanding doesn't differ from mine but the

explanation does because you take a different meaning

of three words: intellect, mind and Dhi. I will give

my definition of these three words: -

 

Intellect is the instrument/faculty of questioning

without identification and is born out of the pure

dualistic nature of consciousness at mooladhara chakra

(mercury ruler). It is certainly diverted to whoever

it gets associated/identified with because it has no

identification of its own.

Mind is the awareness of different sensory

activities. It has no real identification of its own

and hence no nature whatsoever.

Dhi is consciousness of self-sufficiency and is

beyond dualistic explanation. Note that no

intellectual/dualisitic escape is intended.

 

Using these definitions together I have following

reasoning:

1. Dhi can never make a mistake, by definition.

2. Mind is without identification, by definition,

and its functionality (i.e. moving from one sensory

awareness to another) is often confused for its

existence followed by its mistake.

3. Intellect can not make a mistake in its

functionality of pure questioning, by definition. So

there is no question of first mistake anywhere in the

functionality of the three elements.

 

Why I said that intellect makes the first mistake

is because of the opinion that it is the only one

which comes under complete control of ahamkara, which

is the principle of identification. And ahamkara, is

again a non-existing principle because it has no

identification of its own.

 

Ahamkara, by definition and no-definition, is akin

to identification of one object with another object

which in turn is identified as a third object and so

on.

 

Please note the gradual shift from intellect to

intelligence (which I pick as Dhi) in your mail to

understand the self-approval (a function of Dhi) of

your line of reasoning. There could be a few mistakes

in my own line of reasoning as well in a similar

manner, but I don't have time to sort them out at the

instant.

regards,

nitish

--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:

>

>

>

> Sarajit Poddar

> [sarajit]

> Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:26 AM

> 'varahamihira '

> RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa

> -to nitish

>

> || Jaya Jagannath ||

> Dear Nitish,

>

> Intellect could be the crude translation of the dhi

> shakti or the

> ability to dicern between the right and the wrong,

> the true and the

> false. Thus, it is more related to the soul than the

> mind.

>

> We know that we are made of the Soul and Mind,

> besides the gross body.

> Mind is the culprit which makes us belive something

> which isn't. The

> mind get the information from the senses and acts in

> a way so as to

> pacify them. The only one who can put the check on

> the mind's activity

> is the soul and it does it with the help of

> intelligence. So when

> intelligence overcomes the tendency of the mind to

> go along with the

> senses, the person is said to have controlled his

> senses and ready to

> understand things which are beyond perception of the

> mortal senses.

>

> Hence its not the intelligence which makes the first

> mistake, but it's

> the mind which does.

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

>

> Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99]

> Friday, December 26, 2003 8:26 PM

> varahamihira

> RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa

> -to nitish

>

> Dear freedom,

> Thanks. You are very good at astrology. Extending

> the karakamsa and ishta related set of rules, it is

> easy to see that 12th from lagna lord of D-1 will

> show

> the intellectual bindings one has regarding himself,

> and related deity. For an intellectual it is

> important

> to get rid of them as it is the intellect commits

> the

> first mistake (ketu) i.e. indistinction between

> permanent and temporary.

> Ofcourse, the momentum to continue with ones'

> mistakes comes from attachments to objects of desire

> that occurs in heart and is represented by AK.

> Otherwise, an unattached intellectual can easily

> discard all that is temporary from his intellectual

> inquiry.

>

> regards,

> nitish

>

> --- Freedom <freedom wrote:

> >

> > General rule:

> > " With reference to the soul, we analyze the

> > Karakamsa Lagna of the

> > native. With reference to the intellect, we

> analyze

> > the Navamsa Lagna of

> > the native "

> > This is the primary thing to look at in the

> navamsa.

> >

> > Abilities are in relation to intellect so we use

> > navamsa lagna. Ista is

> > in reference to the soul so we use Karakamsa. We

> > don't need to be

> > jeevamuktas to see the chart from the karakamsa.

> The

> > soul is always

> > guiding, we all have souls. Thoughts arise in the

> > mind from much deeper.

> > The body is the chariot, Arjuna is the mind and

> > Krsna is the soul.

> > Worship of the ishta is allowing Krsna to guide.

> You

> > don't need to be

> > jeevamukta to use the ista in the jeevamuktamsa,

> you

> > use the ista to get

> > to jeevamuktamsa. The Ista mantra is the

> invocation

> > of the

> > jeevamuktamsa. Notice also that the Ista mantras

> > Sanjay recommended in

> > the west coast conferences in 2002 are all

> > dwadakshari (12 syllable), so

> > they are activating the 12th house from karakamsa.

> >

> > You asked about 12th from D-1 Lagnesh in Navamsa,

> > this is not generally

> > used. The D-1 lagnesh is used in the Navamsa is

> like

> > any other planet.

> > For example, in my chart Mercury is lagnesh. It is

> > placed in Aquarius in

> > my navamsa. Aquarius is my Rasi 9th house, so

> > Mercury will have a strong

> > effect on 9th house activities, my father is a

> > businessman. Moon is in

> > Leo in my navamsa, which is the 3rd house in my

> > rasi, this means Moon

> > will have a strong effect on the 3rd house, my

> > younger brother works in

> > the healing/medical profession. Notice that this

> > technique effects the

> > karakas.

> >

> > We can also use the signs to see how a planet is

> > affecting our own life.

> > My Mercury is in Virgo in the Rasi, and in

> Aquarius

> > in the Navamsa, this

> > is 6 signs away. So I will get 6th house results

> in

> > the Mahadasa of

> > Mercury. Moon is in Aries in Rasi and Leo in

> > Navamsa, 5 signs away, so I

> > will get 5th house results in Moon Mahadasa, (and

> > let me tell you, I'm

> > running Moon:).

> >

> > More important than 12th from D-1 lagnesh in D-9

> is

> > 12th house from the

> > D-1 lagna in D-9 which is called Vyayamsa. This is

> a

> > general view point

> > from lagnamsa.

> >

> > LAGNAMSA (D-1 lagna in Navamsa)

> > The lagnamsa will show the direction of

> > intelligence, what you prefer,

> > and your choices, ie. Jupiter in daramsa will make

> a

> > person prefer an

> > educated spouse, saturn in sukhamsa will make a

> > person prefer or like

> > old houses.

> >

> > We can analyze the lagnamsa with reference to the

> > purva punya. A planet

> > in the lagnamsa will have a strong stamp on a

> > person, a planet in

> > daramsa will have a strong influence on one's

> > partner. What this stamp

> > is must be seen from the D-60 (not D-9).

> >

> > The main house to see is the 2nd from the

> lagnamsa.

> > It will show the

> > direction of your dhi relative to karmas (works

> done

> > in this world).

> > Jaimini says that lagnamsa in the 11th house will

> > lead a person to moksa

> > (because 12th is 2nd). Lagnamsa in 10th makes a

> > person always focused on

> > gains, lagnamsa in 9th makes a person always

> focused

> > on work. We look at

> > 2nd because it is 10th from the 5th.

> >

> >

> >

> > This is from Sanjay's lecture on Navamsa at the

> 2003

> > ACVA Conference in

> > Sedona, Arizona. Tapes available from ACVA.

> >

> > 2.2 Rasi Tulya Navamsa (bhava-amsa)

> > Rasi-tulya navamsa is also called Bhava sucaka

> > navamsa and it's the

> > navamsa chart as perceived from the Rasi lagna. If

> > the native has Pisces

> > Lagna, then we would see the position of the

> planets

> > in navamsa with

> > reference to Pisces Lagna.

>

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