re: Dhi and Dhishakti (Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish)

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Dear Nitish and Sarajit, Namaste.

I would like to add my comments to this discussion.

 

Intellect is the working force, i.e. that which acts.

Intelligence, is the power of the intellect, i.e. that which the intellect acts upon.

Hence Intellect is the Dhi, and Intelligence is the Dhi-Shakti.

 

As the dhi and its shakti is purely based on awareness, they are at no fault either of them.. its the Mind which the Intellect will follow. Wherever the mind goes, the intellect WILL follow.

 

The pictural description comes from the Upanishads (katha if i remember correctly):

"The Chariot is the body, the charioteer is the dhi (not dhi-shakti), the reigns is the Mana and the master of the chariot is the Atma!"

Further an elaboration is given; "Just as if the reigns of a chariot are loose, the horses run out of control, the mind is weak leads one astray."

Hence the focus is to make the dhi stronger, and this is done by enhancing the Dhi-Shakti (intelligence). This way one can slowly train the mind through the intellect to become stronger on ones path.

 

As for who makes the mistake, this depends on the the trinity of the Soul, Mind and Intellect, and can be messured through the dasa. I.e. Ketu being headless in nature tends to enforce mistakes -

The Mahadasa of the Ketu will sure make one prone to mistakes, mainly due to the atma moving on moksha marga. This causes a 'Domino-effect' ensuring that the mind and intellect follow, in their own way. A non-spiritual person will react in more autistic tendencies, not seeking company and practicing seclussion.

 

The Antar Dasa of Ketu will make the native take spontaneous decissions, be easily agitated and constantly seek mental space for themselves, away from soceity. The Pratyantar Dasa could lead the person towards spiritual retreats and such, as this is happening on a conscious/manifested level.

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] Friday, January 02, 2004 4:45 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Nitish,Yes, I have no doubt that we are saying the same things but might bewith different words. You did a good job with defining the constructsbefore using them to express your ideas.In the game of the Soul and the mind, some gets dominant on ohe other atdifferent times. Both have their own say in the daily affairs of ourlife, our purpose and out final goal. Both understand the reality intheir own sense and one of them is true and one of them is false. I tendto believe that there is a third party, which takes sides either withthe soul or the Mind, which gives us the understanding of the state ofaffairs at that point of time. If it takes the side of the Mind, them weperceive the false reality whereas if takes the side of the soul, the weperceive the true reality. We might say that's our intellect.However, I am more inclined to take intelligence as the agent whichmakes us querry and gives the understanding of the things. It alwaystakes side of the Soul as it is aware of the True reality. However, Isay, if our understanding of True reality is not complete, then I wouldnot say that the intelligence is taking side of the Mind but, I wouldrather say that the intelligence is rather clouded by the Mind and it isunable to express its true nature. This eliminates the possibility ofany third party called the Intellect which would reconcile with Soul andMind and gives us the understanding of the current state of affairs, mayit be based on true reality or false reality.Whatever I said is however, based on my own understanding. :-)Best WishesSarajitNitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:35 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re:|Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitishDear Sarajit, Your understanding doesn't differ from mine but theexplanation does because you take a different meaningof three words: intellect, mind and Dhi. I will givemy definition of these three words: - Intellect is the instrument/faculty of questioningwithout identification and is born out of the puredualistic nature of consciousness at mooladhara chakra(mercury ruler). It is certainly diverted to whoeverit gets associated/identified with because it has noidentification of its own. Mind is the awareness of different sensoryactivities. It has no real identification of its ownand hence no nature whatsoever. Dhi is consciousness of self-sufficiency and isbeyond dualistic explanation. Note that nointellectual/dualisitic escape is intended. Using these definitions together I have followingreasoning: 1. Dhi can never make a mistake, by definition. 2. Mind is without identification, by definition,and its functionality (i.e. moving from one sensoryawareness to another) is often confused for itsexistence followed by its mistake. 3. Intellect can not make a mistake in itsfunctionality of pure questioning, by definition. Sothere is no question of first mistake anywhere in thefunctionality of the three elements. Why I said that intellect makes the first mistakeis because of the opinion that it is the only onewhich comes under complete control of ahamkara, whichis the principle of identification. And ahamkara, isagain a non-existing principle because it has noidentification of its own. Ahamkara, by definition and no-definition, is akinto identification of one object with another objectwhich in turn is identified as a third object and soon. Please note the gradual shift from intellect tointelligence (which I pick as Dhi) in your mail tounderstand the self-approval (a function of Dhi) ofyour line of reasoning. There could be a few mistakesin my own line of reasoning as well in a similarmanner, but I don't have time to sort them out at theinstant.regards,nitish--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:> > > > Sarajit Poddar> [sarajit] > Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:26 AM> 'varahamihira '> RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa> -to nitish> > || Jaya Jagannath ||> Dear Nitish,> > Intellect could be the crude translation of the dhi> shakti or the> ability to dicern between the right and the wrong,> the true and the> false. Thus, it is more related to the soul than the> mind.> > We know that we are made of the Soul and Mind,> besides the gross body.> Mind is the culprit which makes us belive something> which isn't. The> mind get the information from the senses and acts in> a way so as to> pacify them. The only one who can put the check on> the mind's activity> is the soul and it does it with the help of> intelligence. So when> intelligence overcomes the tendency of the mind to> go along with the> senses, the person is said to have controlled his> senses and ready to> understand things which are beyond perception of the> mortal senses. > > Hence its not the intelligence which makes the first> mistake, but it's> the mind which does.> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] > Friday, December 26, 2003 8:26 PM> varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa> -to nitish> > Dear freedom,> Thanks. You are very good at astrology. Extending> the karakamsa and ishta related set of rules, it is> easy to see that 12th from lagna lord of D-1 will> show> the intellectual bindings one has regarding himself,> and related deity. For an intellectual it is> important> to get rid of them as it is the intellect commits> the> first mistake (ketu) i.e. indistinction between> permanent and temporary. > Ofcourse, the momentum to continue with ones'> mistakes comes from attachments to objects of desire> that occurs in heart and is represented by AK.> Otherwise, an unattached intellectual can easily> discard all that is temporary from his intellectual> inquiry.> > regards,> nitish> > --- Freedom <freedom wrote:> > > > General rule:> > "With reference to the soul, we analyze the> > Karakamsa Lagna of the> > native. With reference to the intellect, we> analyze> > the Navamsa Lagna of> > the native"> > This is the primary thing to look at in the> navamsa.> > > > Abilities are in relation to intellect so we use> > navamsa lagna. Ista is> > in reference to the soul so we use Karakamsa. We> > don't need to be> > jeevamuktas to see the chart from the karakamsa.> The> > soul is always> > guiding, we all have souls. Thoughts arise in the> > mind from much deeper.> > The body is the chariot, Arjuna is the mind and> > Krsna is the soul.> > Worship of the ishta is allowing Krsna to guide.> You> > don't need to be> > jeevamukta to use the ista in the jeevamuktamsa,> you> > use the ista to get> > to jeevamuktamsa. The Ista mantra is the> invocation> > of the> > jeevamuktamsa. Notice also that the Ista mantras> > Sanjay recommended in> > the west coast conferences in 2002 are all> > dwadakshari (12 syllable), so> > they are activating the 12th house from karakamsa.> > > > You asked about 12th from D-1 Lagnesh in Navamsa,> > this is not generally> > used. The D-1 lagnesh is used in the Navamsa is> like> > any other planet.> > For example, in my chart Mercury is lagnesh. It is> > placed in Aquarius in> > my navamsa. Aquarius is my Rasi 9th house, so> > Mercury will have a strong> > effect on 9th house activities, my father is a> > businessman. Moon is in> > Leo in my navamsa, which is the 3rd house in my> > rasi, this means Moon> > will have a strong effect on the 3rd house, my> > younger brother works in> > the healing/medical profession. Notice that this> > technique effects the> > karakas.> > > > We can also use the signs to see how a planet is> > affecting our own life.> > My Mercury is in Virgo in the Rasi, and in> Aquarius> > in the Navamsa, this> > is 6 signs away. So I will get 6th house results> in> > the Mahadasa of> > Mercury. Moon is in Aries in Rasi and Leo in> > Navamsa, 5 signs away, so I> > will get 5th house results in Moon Mahadasa, (and> > let me tell you, I'm> > running Moon:).> > > > More important than 12th from D-1 lagnesh in D-9> is> > 12th house from the> > D-1 lagna in D-9 which is called Vyayamsa. This is> a> > general view point> > from lagnamsa.> > > > LAGNAMSA (D-1 lagna in Navamsa)> > The lagnamsa will show the direction of> > intelligence, what you prefer,> > and your choices, ie. Jupiter in daramsa will make> a> > person prefer an> > educated spouse, saturn in sukhamsa will make a> > person prefer or like> > old houses. > > > > We can analyze the lagnamsa with reference to the> > purva punya. A planet> > in the lagnamsa will have a strong stamp on a> > person, a planet in> > daramsa will have a strong influence on one's> > partner. What this stamp> > is must be seen from the D-60 (not D-9). > > > > The main house to see is the 2nd from the> lagnamsa.> > It will show the> > direction of your dhi relative to karmas (works> done> > in this world).> > Jaimini says that lagnamsa in the 11th house will> > lead a person to moksa> > (because 12th is 2nd). Lagnamsa in 10th makes a> > person always focused on> > gains, lagnamsa in 9th makes a person always> focused> > on work. We look at> > 2nd because it is 10th from the 5th.> > > > > > > > This is from Sanjay's lecture on Navamsa at the> 2003> > ACVA Conference in> > Sedona, Arizona. Tapes available from ACVA.> > > > 2.2 Rasi Tulya Navamsa (bhava-amsa)> > Rasi-tulya navamsa is also called Bhava sucaka> > navamsa and it's the> > navamsa chart as perceived from the Rasi lagna. If> > the native has Pisces> > Lagna, then we would see the position of the> planets> > in navamsa with> > reference to Pisces Lagna.> === message truncated ===Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it nowhttp://companion./|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

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Dear Visti, I thought intelligence is an expression of intellect, not the object..

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Anna-"Visti Larsen" Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:24:38 +0530|Sri Varaha| re: Dhi and Dhishakti (Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish)

 

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Dear Nitish and Sarajit, Namaste.

I would like to add my comments to this discussion.

 

Intellect is the working force, i.e. that which acts.

Intelligence, is the power of the intellect, i.e. that which the intellect acts upon.

Hence Intellect is the Dhi, and Intelligence is the Dhi-Shakti.

 

As the dhi and its shakti is purely based on awareness, they are at no fault either of them.. its the Mind which the Intellect will follow. Wherever the mind goes, the intellect WILL follow.

 

The pictural description comes from the Upanishads (katha if i remember correctly):

"The Chariot is the body, the charioteer is the dhi (not dhi-shakti), the reigns is the Mana and the master of the chariot is the Atma!"

Further an elaboration is given; "Just as if the reigns of a chariot are loose, the horses run out of control, the mind is weak leads one astray."

Hence the focus is to make the dhi stronger, and this is done by enhancing the Dhi-Shakti (intelligence). This way one can slowly train the mind through the intellect to become stronger on ones path.

 

As for who makes the mistake, this depends on the the trinity of the Soul, Mind and Intellect, and can be messured through the dasa. I.e. Ketu being headless in nature tends to enforce mistakes -

The Mahadasa of the Ketu will sure make one prone to mistakes, mainly due to the atma moving on moksha marga. This causes a 'Domino-effect' ensuring that the mind and intellect follow, in their own way. A non-spiritual person will react in more autistic tendencies, not seeking company and practicing seclussion.

 

The Antar Dasa of Ketu will make the native take spontaneous decissions, be easily agitated and constantly seek mental space for themselves, away from soceity. The Pratyantar Dasa could lead the person towards spiritual retreats and such, as this is happening on a conscious/manifested level.

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] Friday, January 02, 2004 4:45 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitish|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Nitish,Yes, I have no doubt that we are saying the same things but might bewith different words. You did a good job with defining the constructsbefore using them to express your ideas.In the game of the Soul and the mind, some gets dominant on ohe other atdifferent times. Both have their own say in the daily affairs of ourlife, our purpose and out final goal. Both understand the reality intheir own sense and one of them is true and one of them is false. I tendto believe that there is a third party, which takes sides either withthe soul or th

e Mind, which gives us the understanding of the state ofaffairs at that point of time. If it takes the side of the Mind, them weperceive the false reality whereas if takes the side of the soul, the weperceive the true reality. We might say that's our intellect.However, I am more inclined to take intelligence as the agent whichmakes us querry and gives the understanding of the things. It alwaystakes side of the Soul as it is aware of the True reality. However, Isay, if our understanding of True reality is not complete, then I wouldnot say that the intelligence is taking side of the Mind but, I wouldrather say that the intelligence is rather clouded by the Mind and it isunable to express its true nature. This eliminates the possibility ofany third party called the Intellect which would reconcile with Soul andMind and gives us the understanding of the current state of affairs, mayit be based on true reality or false realit

y.Whatever I said is however, based on my own understanding. :-)Best WishesSarajitNitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:35 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re:|Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa -to nitishDear Sarajit, Your understanding doesn't differ from mine but theexplanation does because you take a different meaningof three words: intellect, mind and Dhi. I will givemy definition of these three words: - Intellect is the instrument/faculty of questioningwithout identification and is born out of the puredualistic nature of consciousness at mooladhara chakra(mercury ruler). It is certainly diverted to whoeverit gets associated/identified with because it has noidentification of its own. Mind is the awareness of different sensoryactivities. It has no real

identification of its ownand hence no nature whatsoever. Dhi is consciousness of self-sufficiency and isbeyond dualistic explanation. Note that nointellectual/dualisitic escape is intended. Using these definitions together I have followingreasoning: 1. Dhi can never make a mistake, by definition. 2. Mind is without identification, by definition,and its functionality (i.e. moving from one sensoryawareness to another) is often confused for itsexistence followed by its mistake. 3. Intellect can not make a mistake in itsfunctionality of pure questioning, by definition. Sothere is no question of first mistake anywhere in thefunctionality of the three elements. Why I said that intellect makes the first mistakeis because of the opinion that it is the only onewhich comes under complete control of ahamkara, whichis the principle of ide

ntification. And ahamkara, isagain a non-existing principle because it has noidentification of its own. Ahamkara, by definition and no-definition, is akinto identification of one object with another objectwhich in turn is identified as a third object and soon. Please note the gradual shift from intellect tointelligence (which I pick as Dhi) in your mail tounderstand the self-approval (a function of Dhi) ofyour line of reasoning. There could be a few mistakesin my own line of reasoning as well in a similarmanner, but I don't have time to sort them out at theinstant.regards,nitish--- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:> > > > Sarajit Poddar> [sarajit] > Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:26 AM> 'varahamihira '> RE: |Sri

Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa> -to nitish> > || Jaya Jagannath ||> Dear Nitish,> > Intellect could be the crude translation of the dhi> shakti or the> ability to dicern between the right and the wrong,> the true and the> false. Thus, it is more related to the soul than the> mind.> > We know that we are made of the Soul and Mind,> besides the gross body.> Mind is the culprit which makes us belive something> which isn't. The> mind get the information from the senses and acts in> a way so as to> pacify them. The only one who can put the check on> the mind's activity> is the soul and it does it with the help of> intelligence. So when> intelligence overcomes the tendency of the mind to> go along with the> senses, the person is said to have controlled his> senses and ready to> understand t

hings which are beyond perception of the> mortal senses. > > Hence its not the intelligence which makes the first> mistake, but it's> the mind which does.> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] > Friday, December 26, 2003 8:26 PM> varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Jeevamuktamsa and lagnamsa> -to nitish> > Dear freedom,> Thanks. You are very good at astrology. Extending> the karakamsa and ishta related set of rules, it is> easy to see that 12th from lagna lord of D-1 will> show> the intellectual bindings one has regarding himself,> and related deity. For an intellectual it is> important> to get rid of them as it is the intellect commits> the> first mistake (ketu) i.e. indistinct

ion between> permanent and temporary. > Ofcourse, the momentum to continue with ones'> mistakes comes from attachments to objects of desire> that occurs in heart and is represented by AK.> Otherwise, an unattached intellectual can easily> discard all that is temporary from his intellectual> inquiry.> > regards,> nitish> > --- Freedom <freedom wrote:> > > > General rule:> > "With reference to the soul, we analyze the> > Karakamsa Lagna of the> > native. With reference to the intellect, we> analyze> > the Navamsa Lagna of> > the native"> > This is the primary thing to look at in the> navamsa.> > > > Abilities are in relation to intellect so we use> > navamsa lagna. Ista is> > in reference to the soul so we use Karakamsa. We> > don't need to be> > jeevamuktas to see the chart from the karakamsa.> The> > soul is always> > guiding, we all have souls. Thoughts arise in the> > mind from much deeper.> > The body is the chariot, Arjuna is the mind and> > Krsna is the soul.> > Worship of the ishta is allowing Krsna to guide.> You> > don't need to be> > jeevamukta to use the ista in the jeevamuktamsa,> you> > use the ista to get> > to jeevamuktamsa. The Ista mantra is the> invocation> > of the> > jeevamuktamsa. Notice also that the Ista mantras> > Sanjay recommended in> > the west coast conferences in 2002 are all> > dwadakshari (12 syllable), so> > they are activating the 12th house from karakamsa.> > > > You asked about 12th from D-1 Lagnesh in Navamsa,> > this is not generally> > used. The D-1 lagnesh is used in the Navamsa is> like> > any other planet.> > For example, in my chart Mercury is lagnesh. It is> > placed in Aquarius in> > my navamsa. Aquarius is my Rasi 9th house, so> > Mercury will have a strong> > effect on 9th house activities, my father is a> > businessman. Moon is in> > Leo in my navamsa, which is the 3rd house in my> > rasi, this means Moon> > will have a strong effect on the 3rd house, my> > younger brother works in> > the healing/medical profession. Notice that this> > technique effects the> > karakas.> > > > We can also use the signs to see how a planet is> > affecting our own life.> > My Mercury is in Virgo in the Rasi, and in> Aquarius> > in the Navamsa, this> > is 6 signs away. So I will ge

t 6th house results> in> > the Mahadasa of> > Mercury. Moon is in Aries in Rasi and Leo in> > Navamsa, 5 signs away, so I> > will get 5th house results in Moon Mahadasa, (and> > let me tell you, I'm> > running Moon:).> > > > More important than 12th from D-1 lagnesh in D-9> is> > 12th house from the> > D-1 lagna in D-9 which is called Vyayamsa. This is> a> > general view point> > from lagnamsa.> > > > LAGNAMSA (D-1 lagna in Navamsa)> > The lagnamsa will show the direction of> > intelligence, what you prefer,> > and your choices, ie. Jupiter in daramsa will make> a> > person prefer an> > educated spouse, saturn in sukhamsa will make a> > person prefer or like> > old houses. > > > > We can analyze the lagnamsa with referenc

e to the> > purva punya. A planet> > in the lagnamsa will have a strong stamp on a> > person, a planet in> > daramsa will have a strong influence on one's> > partner. What this stamp> > is must be seen from the D-60 (not D-9). > > > > The main house to see is the 2nd from the> lagnamsa.> > It will show the> > direction of your dhi relative to karmas (works> done> > in this world).> > Jaimini says that lagnamsa in the 11th house will> > lead a person to moksa> > (because 12th is 2nd). Lagnamsa in 10th makes a> > person always focused on> > gains, lagnamsa in 9th makes a person always> focused> > on work. We look at> > 2nd because it is 10th from the 5th.> > > > > > > > This is from Sanjay's lecture on Navamsa at the> 2003> &g

t; ACVA Conference in> > Sedona, Arizona. Tapes available from ACVA.> > > > 2.2 Rasi Tulya Navamsa (bhava-amsa)> > Rasi-tulya navamsa is also called Bhava sucaka> > navamsa and it's the> > navamsa chart as perceived from the Rasi lagna. If> > the native has Pisces> > Lagna, then we would see the position of the> planets> > in navamsa with> > reference to Pisces Lagna.> === message truncated ===Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it nowhttp://companion./|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira