Sanjay ji's D-27 (to Freedom and Sanjay)

[Guest guest]

Namaste Freedom and Sanjay ji,

 

> According to what Sanjay taught about the Bhamsa in the East Coast

> workshop:

> Planets in Kendra will give results easily, they are your strength,

what

> you get easily. Weaknesses are what you don't get easily or at all.

>

> There is more than just natural instincts in that statement.

 

Unfortunately, I cannot completely agree with Sanjay ji

here. Perhaps it is a limitation of my understanding or

thinking. Anyway, I will outline my thinking honestly.

 

I simply cannot agree with seeing in D-27 what one will

easily get and not get. To me, it is a misuse (overuse)

of the chart.

 

The existence at the sub-conscious level only decides

what one wants to get and what one feels like doing, in

terms of of instincts. It does not decide what one gets

or does not get.

 

Getting something or doing something is more of a

physical level thing. The appropriate chart would be D-3

(parivritti traya). D-27 is a 3rd level chart based on

the 3rd house and D-3 is a 1st level (physical) chart

based on the same 3rd house. How can I mix them up?

 

Take Sanjay ji's chart for example. He has Mercury in a

quadrant in D-27. Does it mean he can learn, communicate

and write well? To me, it does not. I would rather see

aptitude from navamsa and executionary skills from

parivritti traya dekkana. I don't want to mix up all the

charts and say they all show basically the same thing.

To me, Mercury being in a quadrant in Sanjay ji's D-27

means that his instincts support writing. His

sub-conscious mind wants to communicate and write.

 

It is a different matter that Mercury is in a quadrant

in navamsa and D-3 (parivritti traya) too. That is why

he has the writing ability (navamsa) and also ends up

writing a lot (D-3). Without these, D-27 would just

have shown a sub-conscious drive for writing and would

not have resulted in all these brilliant writings by

Sanjay ji. A planet in a quadrant in D-27 can show a

weakness/frustration sometimes, when D-3 and D-9 do

not support something in D-27. In the case of Sanjay

ji's Mercury, there is a symphony between the three

charts and hence his inherent drive, abilities and

physical opportunity all are working in great harmony!

 

Take my chart now. I have a strong Mars in Aries in

his moolatrikona in the 10th house in D-27. To me, it

does not show that I am a good soldier or easily win

wars. It merely shows that I have the instincts of a

soldier. I have the tendency in my public conduct to

fight. It is just a sub-conscious drive to fight. This

is actually not a strength but weakness, because you

can see that Mars is in 8th in navamsa and 11th in

D-3. So I am not much of a fighter, even though I have

those instincts. With this D-27, if navamsa and D-3

also had been conducive, I would've become a good cop

or a soldier.

 

However, the fire shown by Mars at the level of

sub-conscious drive, if harnessed well, can still be

useful. Planets in quadrants in D-27 show the

instincts that form one's sub-conscious drive. How

that drive manifests in physical abilities and

physical opportunity for execution depebnds on D-9

and D-3.

 

See that Mars is in 8th in my rasi and navamsa and he

is in 11th in D-3 in the intellectual sign Ge. The

8th and 11th houses are conducive to occult knowledge.

So, the fire inside can be used in those activities.

Interestingly, Dr. Raman and Swami Vivekananda also

had Mars in a quadrant in D-27 and in 8th and 11th

respectively in D-3. They used the fire inside in

spreading the occult knowledge.

 

One thing I have noticed consistently is that people

with benefics in 12th in D-27 have daana guna (the

tendency to give). Their first instinct is always to

" give " , whether they have something to give or not!

Whether they really give something or not depends on

other charts, but they want to give. The internal

(sub-conscious) drive to give is positive and strong.

 

For example, I have Mercury in own sign and Jupiter

together in the 12th house (Ge) in my D-27. I always

want to give and not take. Same thing holds with

Sanjay ji. In his D-27, the 12th house is Sg and

Jupiter occupies it. Going strictly by Parasara's

directive, this Jupiter is not moolatrikona Jupiter

(first one-third of Sg), but he is Jupiter in own

sign (last two-thirds of Sg). So he is even more

peaceful and auspicious in the matter of giving. So

the inherent tendency is to give and it's very strong.

 

Anyway, I will conclude here. I may write more on my

understanding of D-27 later. But my basic argument is

that it shows the sub-conscious drive inside a person

and what one actually achieves easily is dependent on

other charts. D-27 can be used to understand one's

psychology, one's instincts, inclinations and also

frustrations.

 

The three charts are very similar - D-27, D-9 and D-3.

I will associate three words with them - inclination,

ability and opportunity (respectively). When all the

three match (like in the case of Sanjay ji's Mercury),

it is a great blessing. The person is prolific in the

area shown by the planet.

 

I hope my views will find acceptance by the learned.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krsna

 

I agree interpretation, and I agree with the statements that the higher

harmonics work on the higher levels of consciousness, but they also work

on the physical plane. In Ayurveda, when someone has a problem walking,

we look at the physical and see is it from a wound or growth on the

foot. We look next to see if their circulation is causing problems. Then

into higher harmonics of whether nadis are blocked and prana is not

circulating, or nervous system has problems or karmic problem that makes

a leg....etc. The point is no matter what harmonic the cause may exist

at, the person still has pain walking (in the physical world).

 

Sanjay taught in Boston how to time a dog bite with Moola dasa in his

sastiamsa. He has Venus bhadakesh maranakaraka sthana conj Mars, and

aspected by Saturn and Rahu both by rasi and graha drishti. He was

bitten when he entered Venus Moola dasa.

 

Sanjay was able to see that I had no connection with my paternal

grandparents by seeing that Jupiter was Maranakaraka sthana in my D-45.

The connection to my grandparents is a physical experience, and they are

alive, but not in best relations with the family.

 

So no matter what the level of the harmonic we will see its affects on

the physical plane.

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pvr108 [pvr]

Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:51 AM

varahamihira

|Sri Varaha| Sanjay ji's D-27 (to Freedom and Sanjay)

 

Namaste Freedom and Sanjay ji,

 

> According to what Sanjay taught about the Bhamsa in the East Coast

> workshop:

> Planets in Kendra will give results easily, they are your strength,

what

> you get easily. Weaknesses are what you don't get easily or at all.

>

> There is more than just natural instincts in that statement.

 

Unfortunately, I cannot completely agree with Sanjay ji

here. Perhaps it is a limitation of my understanding or

thinking. Anyway, I will outline my thinking honestly.

 

I simply cannot agree with seeing in D-27 what one will

easily get and not get. To me, it is a misuse (overuse)

of the chart.

 

The existence at the sub-conscious level only decides

what one wants to get and what one feels like doing, in

terms of of instincts. It does not decide what one gets

or does not get.

 

Getting something or doing something is more of a

physical level thing. The appropriate chart would be D-3

(parivritti traya). D-27 is a 3rd level chart based on

the 3rd house and D-3 is a 1st level (physical) chart

based on the same 3rd house. How can I mix them up?

 

Take Sanjay ji's chart for example. He has Mercury in a

quadrant in D-27. Does it mean he can learn, communicate

and write well? To me, it does not. I would rather see

aptitude from navamsa and executionary skills from

parivritti traya dekkana. I don't want to mix up all the

charts and say they all show basically the same thing.

To me, Mercury being in a quadrant in Sanjay ji's D-27

means that his instincts support writing. His

sub-conscious mind wants to communicate and write.

 

It is a different matter that Mercury is in a quadrant

in navamsa and D-3 (parivritti traya) too. That is why

he has the writing ability (navamsa) and also ends up

writing a lot (D-3). Without these, D-27 would just

have shown a sub-conscious drive for writing and would

not have resulted in all these brilliant writings by

Sanjay ji. A planet in a quadrant in D-27 can show a

weakness/frustration sometimes, when D-3 and D-9 do

not support something in D-27. In the case of Sanjay

ji's Mercury, there is a symphony between the three

charts and hence his inherent drive, abilities and

physical opportunity all are working in great harmony!

 

Take my chart now. I have a strong Mars in Aries in

his moolatrikona in the 10th house in D-27. To me, it

does not show that I am a good soldier or easily win

wars. It merely shows that I have the instincts of a

soldier. I have the tendency in my public conduct to

fight. It is just a sub-conscious drive to fight. This

is actually not a strength but weakness, because you

can see that Mars is in 8th in navamsa and 11th in

D-3. So I am not much of a fighter, even though I have

those instincts. With this D-27, if navamsa and D-3

also had been conducive, I would've become a good cop

or a soldier.

 

However, the fire shown by Mars at the level of

sub-conscious drive, if harnessed well, can still be

useful. Planets in quadrants in D-27 show the

instincts that form one's sub-conscious drive. How

that drive manifests in physical abilities and

physical opportunity for execution depebnds on D-9

and D-3.

 

See that Mars is in 8th in my rasi and navamsa and he

is in 11th in D-3 in the intellectual sign Ge. The

8th and 11th houses are conducive to occult knowledge.

So, the fire inside can be used in those activities.

Interestingly, Dr. Raman and Swami Vivekananda also

had Mars in a quadrant in D-27 and in 8th and 11th

respectively in D-3. They used the fire inside in

spreading the occult knowledge.

 

One thing I have noticed consistently is that people

with benefics in 12th in D-27 have daana guna (the

tendency to give). Their first instinct is always to

" give " , whether they have something to give or not!

Whether they really give something or not depends on

other charts, but they want to give. The internal

(sub-conscious) drive to give is positive and strong.

 

For example, I have Mercury in own sign and Jupiter

together in the 12th house (Ge) in my D-27. I always

want to give and not take. Same thing holds with

Sanjay ji. In his D-27, the 12th house is Sg and

Jupiter occupies it. Going strictly by Parasara's

directive, this Jupiter is not moolatrikona Jupiter

(first one-third of Sg), but he is Jupiter in own

sign (last two-thirds of Sg). So he is even more

peaceful and auspicious in the matter of giving. So

the inherent tendency is to give and it's very strong.

 

Anyway, I will conclude here. I may write more on my

understanding of D-27 later. But my basic argument is

that it shows the sub-conscious drive inside a person

and what one actually achieves easily is dependent on

other charts. D-27 can be used to understand one's

psychology, one's instincts, inclinations and also

frustrations.

 

The three charts are very similar - D-27, D-9 and D-3.

I will associate three words with them - inclination,

ability and opportunity (respectively). When all the

three match (like in the case of Sanjay ji's Mercury),

it is a great blessing. The person is prolific in the

area shown by the planet.

 

I hope my views will find acceptance by the learned.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Freedom, Namaste.

 

I basically agree with what you wrote. Yes, existence at various

levels finally impacts the physical existence some way or the

other. I am only trying to say that we should be conscious of

the boundaries between various levels and the respective roles.

 

I believe, as I wrote earlier, that the physical existence is of

earthy nature, existence at the mental level is of watery nature,

existence at the sub-conscious level is of airy nature, existence

at the supra-conscious karmik level is of ethery nature and the

very existence as a separate soul is of fiery nature. Thus, the

five elements (of the subtle creation and not the gross material

creation) control our existence at various levels. [Note: This

is based on a vision I had while meditating on Dakshinamurthy.

It makes good sense too.]

 

The boundaries between physical, mental and sub-conscious levels

of existence should be understood carefully and used properly

when we analyze charts of the first 3 harmonics (1-36).

 

However, aakaasa tattva is all-permeating. It is unseen and

unfelt and yet the basis of everything. While the existence at

the physical, mental and sub-conscious levels is well-defined,

existence at the supra-conscious karmik level cannot be felt or

understood easily. Yet, it is all-permeating and is the basis of

existence at various levels. It controls everything. No wonder

Parasara said we can see everything (akhilam) from D-45 and D-60

charts! No wonder Sanjay used them to see physical matters.

 

Bottomline: You are right. Every charts has some impact or the

other on physical existence. But we need to make an effort to

understand the boundaries of various charts. For example, D-9,

parivritti D-3 and D-27 have all been suggested for seeing

abilities. We need to understand the difference between them.

That is what I tried to do in my previous 2-3 mails.

 

Bottomline 2: D-45 and D-60 (charts of the karmik) level are

always special. Let's not compare them with any other charts!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> I agree interpretation, and I agree with the statements that the

higher

> harmonics work on the higher levels of consciousness, but they also

work

> on the physical plane. In Ayurveda, when someone has a problem

walking,

> we look at the physical and see is it from a wound or growth on the

> foot. We look next to see if their circulation is causing problems.

Then

> into higher harmonics of whether nadis are blocked and prana is not

> circulating, or nervous system has problems or karmic problem that

makes

> a leg....etc. The point is no matter what harmonic the cause may

exist

> at, the person still has pain walking (in the physical world).

>

> Sanjay taught in Boston how to time a dog bite with Moola dasa in

his

> sastiamsa. He has Venus bhadakesh maranakaraka sthana conj Mars, and

> aspected by Saturn and Rahu both by rasi and graha drishti. He was

> bitten when he entered Venus Moola dasa.

>

> Sanjay was able to see that I had no connection with my paternal

> grandparents by seeing that Jupiter was Maranakaraka sthana in my D-

45.

> The connection to my grandparents is a physical experience, and

they are

> alive, but not in best relations with the family.

>

> So no matter what the level of the harmonic we will see its affects

on

> the physical plane.

>

> Namah Sivaya

[Guest guest]

Dear Sirs,

If I may express myself, I tend to agree with Freedom. Vargas could not

be looked at in isolation. Otherwise Parashara would not have said that

All general indications could be seen from Akshavedamsha and Shastiamsha..

Chandrashekhar.

 

Freedom wrote:

 

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> I agree interpretation, and I agree with the statements that the higher

> harmonics work on the higher levels of consciousness, but they also work

> on the physical plane. In Ayurveda, when someone has a problem walking,

> we look at the physical and see is it from a wound or growth on the

> foot. We look next to see if their circulation is causing problems. Then

> into higher harmonics of whether nadis are blocked and prana is not

> circulating, or nervous system has problems or karmic problem that makes

> a leg....etc. The point is no matter what harmonic the cause may exist

> at, the person still has pain walking (in the physical world).

>

> Sanjay taught in Boston how to time a dog bite with Moola dasa in his

> sastiamsa. He has Venus bhadakesh maranakaraka sthana conj Mars, and

> aspected by Saturn and Rahu both by rasi and graha drishti. He was

> bitten when he entered Venus Moola dasa.

>

> Sanjay was able to see that I had no connection with my paternal

> grandparents by seeing that Jupiter was Maranakaraka sthana in my D-45.

> The connection to my grandparents is a physical experience, and they are

> alive, but not in best relations with the family.

>

> So no matter what the level of the harmonic we will see its affects on

> the physical plane.

>

> Namah Sivaya

 

> pvr108 [pvr]

> Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:51 AM

> varahamihira

> |Sri Varaha| Sanjay ji's D-27 (to Freedom and Sanjay)

>

> Namaste Freedom and Sanjay ji,

>

> > According to what Sanjay taught about the Bhamsa in the East Coast

> > workshop:

> > Planets in Kendra will give results easily, they are your strength,

> what

> > you get easily. Weaknesses are what you don't get easily or at all.

> >

> > There is more than just natural instincts in that statement.

>

> Unfortunately, I cannot completely agree with Sanjay ji

> here. Perhaps it is a limitation of my understanding or

> thinking. Anyway, I will outline my thinking honestly.

>

> I simply cannot agree with seeing in D-27 what one will

> easily get and not get. To me, it is a misuse (overuse)

> of the chart.

>

> The existence at the sub-conscious level only decides

> what one wants to get and what one feels like doing, in

> terms of of instincts. It does not decide what one gets

> or does not get.

>

> Getting something or doing something is more of a

> physical level thing. The appropriate chart would be D-3

> (parivritti traya). D-27 is a 3rd level chart based on

> the 3rd house and D-3 is a 1st level (physical) chart

> based on the same 3rd house. How can I mix them up?

>

> Take Sanjay ji's chart for example. He has Mercury in a

> quadrant in D-27. Does it mean he can learn, communicate

> and write well? To me, it does not. I would rather see

> aptitude from navamsa and executionary skills from

> parivritti traya dekkana. I don't want to mix up all the

> charts and say they all show basically the same thing.

> To me, Mercury being in a quadrant in Sanjay ji's D-27

> means that his instincts support writing. His

> sub-conscious mind wants to communicate and write.

>

> It is a different matter that Mercury is in a quadrant

> in navamsa and D-3 (parivritti traya) too. That is why

> he has the writing ability (navamsa) and also ends up

> writing a lot (D-3). Without these, D-27 would just

> have shown a sub-conscious drive for writing and would

> not have resulted in all these brilliant writings by

> Sanjay ji. A planet in a quadrant in D-27 can show a

> weakness/frustration sometimes, when D-3 and D-9 do

> not support something in D-27. In the case of Sanjay

> ji's Mercury, there is a symphony between the three

> charts and hence his inherent drive, abilities and

> physical opportunity all are working in great harmony!

>

> Take my chart now. I have a strong Mars in Aries in

> his moolatrikona in the 10th house in D-27. To me, it

> does not show that I am a good soldier or easily win

> wars. It merely shows that I have the instincts of a

> soldier. I have the tendency in my public conduct to

> fight. It is just a sub-conscious drive to fight. This

> is actually not a strength but weakness, because you

> can see that Mars is in 8th in navamsa and 11th in

> D-3. So I am not much of a fighter, even though I have

> those instincts. With this D-27, if navamsa and D-3

> also had been conducive, I would've become a good cop

> or a soldier.

>

> However, the fire shown by Mars at the level of

> sub-conscious drive, if harnessed well, can still be

> useful. Planets in quadrants in D-27 show the

> instincts that form one's sub-conscious drive. How

> that drive manifests in physical abilities and

> physical opportunity for execution depebnds on D-9

> and D-3.

>

> See that Mars is in 8th in my rasi and navamsa and he

> is in 11th in D-3 in the intellectual sign Ge. The

> 8th and 11th houses are conducive to occult knowledge.

> So, the fire inside can be used in those activities.

> Interestingly, Dr. Raman and Swami Vivekananda also

> had Mars in a quadrant in D-27 and in 8th and 11th

> respectively in D-3. They used the fire inside in

> spreading the occult knowledge.

>

> One thing I have noticed consistently is that people

> with benefics in 12th in D-27 have daana guna (the

> tendency to give). Their first instinct is always to

> " give " , whether they have something to give or not!

> Whether they really give something or not depends on

> other charts, but they want to give. The internal

> (sub-conscious) drive to give is positive and strong.

>

> For example, I have Mercury in own sign and Jupiter

> together in the 12th house (Ge) in my D-27. I always

> want to give and not take. Same thing holds with

> Sanjay ji. In his D-27, the 12th house is Sg and

> Jupiter occupies it. Going strictly by Parasara's

> directive, this Jupiter is not moolatrikona Jupiter

> (first one-third of Sg), but he is Jupiter in own

> sign (last two-thirds of Sg). So he is even more

> peaceful and auspicious in the matter of giving. So

> the inherent tendency is to give and it's very strong.

>

> Anyway, I will conclude here. I may write more on my

> understanding of D-27 later. But my basic argument is

> that it shows the sub-conscious drive inside a person

> and what one actually achieves easily is dependent on

> other charts. D-27 can be used to understand one's

> psychology, one's instincts, inclinations and also

> frustrations.

>

> The three charts are very similar - D-27, D-9 and D-3.

> I will associate three words with them - inclination,

> ability and opportunity (respectively). When all the

> three match (like in the case of Sanjay ji's Mercury),

> it is a great blessing. The person is prolific in the

> area shown by the planet.

>

> I hope my views will find acceptance by the learned.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

>

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

>