Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

 

We have seen various astrological dilemmas in the past, some of which remain a future challenge.

If the surrogate mother issue confused you in the past, this one will blow your mind out as it is beyond anything known so far, breaking every rule in the book(s)!

 

Imagine that a woman's eggs are fertilized outside the womb. Nothing new about that, right ?

That was back in 1990.

As a result of this process 12 embryos were 'created' of which 4 were returned to the mothers womb, 2 were accepted, resulting in the birth of 2 healthy girls (now about 11 years old).

The other 8 embryos were FROZEN and stored in the hospital!

 

Two years ago the couple decided to have more children and the hospital defrosted 4 of the frozen embryos, which were placed in the mothers womb, three were accepted, one removed AND 2 developed normaly into a boy and a girl that were born about 9 month ago.

That is 12 years (!!!) AFTER 'creation'.

The doctors say that the now 9 month old twins develop normally.

 

The above true event happened in Jerusalem's (Israel) Hadasa hospital and the entire story appears in the February issue of "The Reproduction Journal" and I assume will be available on the net in a couple of month (http://www.reproduction-online.org/).

 

This event is a historical and as such it is in a complete opposition to any theory of a conception chart in relation with a birth chart.

 

Instead of writing tons of astrological and moral issues here I leave the rest to your vivid imagination.

 

What does any learned astrologer have to say about such a challenge ?

 

Blessings/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.comhttp://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm

 

 

 

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What does any learned astrologer have to say about such a challenge ?

-Humble, humble, humbler= is in order

-As is: Adjust, adjust..Simplify, simplify...procreation, astrology...No room for denial..

WOW! Life is getting more and more exciting!

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

Futuristic astrology 'ante portas'- Jay, I know you'll like this!

 

-"J.Weiss" Wed, 4 Feb 2004 06:47:16 +0100, ,|Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

Hi all,

 

We have seen various astrological dilemmas in the past, some of which remain a future challenge.

If the surrogate mother issue confused you in the past, this one will blow your mind out as it is beyond anything known so far, breaking every rule in the book(s)!

 

Imagine that a woman's eggs are fertilized outside the womb. Nothing new about that, right ?

That was back in 1990.

As a result of this process 12 embryos were 'created' of which 4 were returned to the mothers womb, 2 were accepted, resulting in the birth of 2 healthy girls (now about 11 years old).

The other 8 embryos were FROZEN and stored in the hospital!

 

Two years ago the couple decided to have more children and the hospital defrosted 4 of the frozen embryos, which were placed in the mothers womb, three were accepted, one removed AND 2 developed normaly into a boy and a girl that were born about 9 month ago.

That is 12 years (!!!) AFTER 'creation'.

The doctors say that the now 9 month old twins develop normally.

 

The above true event happened in Jerusalem's (Israel) Hadasa hospital and the entire story appears in the February issue of "The Reproduction Journal" and I assume will be available on the net in a couple of month (http://www.reproduction-online.org/).

 

This event is a historical and as such it is in a complete opposition to any theory of a conception chart in relation with a birth chart.

 

Instead of writing tons of astrological and moral issues here I leave the rest to your vivid imagination.

 

What does any learned astrologer have to say about such a challenge ?

 

Blessings/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com/http://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jay,

I have a question and a reasoning.

Why shouldn't conception chart give a clue to the

entire " freeze operation " of 12 years and subsequent

acceptance of the two embryos for birth resulting in a

normal birth?

It is still an operation which has been allowed by

the creator and laws of nature, and not something

against it. Astrology deals with time, and if you look

at it - the parents must have had a rememberance of

the frozen embryo for 12 years - so when jupiter

allows....rest can be found by looking at the charts

ofcourse!

regards,

nitish

--- " J.Weiss " <jayhw wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> We have seen various astrological dilemmas in the

> past, some of which remain a future challenge.

> If the surrogate mother issue confused you in the

> past, this one will blow your mind out as it is

> beyond anything known so far, breaking every rule in

> the book(s)!

>

> Imagine that a woman's eggs are fertilized outside

> the womb. Nothing new about that, right ?

> That was back in 1990.

> As a result of this process 12 embryos were

> 'created' of which 4 were returned to the mothers

> womb, 2 were accepted, resulting in the birth of 2

> healthy girls (now about 11 years old).

> The other 8 embryos were FROZEN and stored in the

> hospital!

>

> Two years ago the couple decided to have more

> children and the hospital defrosted 4 of the frozen

> embryos, which were placed in the mothers womb,

> three were accepted, one removed AND 2 developed

> normaly into a boy and a girl that were born about 9

> month ago.

> That is 12 years (!!!) AFTER 'creation'.

> The doctors say that the now 9 month old twins

> develop normally.

>

> The above true event happened in Jerusalem's

> (Israel) Hadasa hospital and the entire story

> appears in the February issue of " The Reproduction

> Journal " and I assume will be available on the net

> in a couple of month

> (http://www.reproduction-online.org/).

>

> This event is a historical and as such it is in a

> complete opposition to any theory of a conception

> chart in relation with a birth chart.

>

> Instead of writing tons of astrological and moral

> issues here I leave the rest to your vivid

> imagination.

>

> What does any learned astrologer have to say about

> such a challenge ?

>

> Blessings

> /Jay Weiss

> http://www.alvicomm.com

> http://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Nitish,

 

The whole point here is that human successfully interferes with a natural

process which is normally around 270 days.

This is (more or less) how Adhana lagna is found.

I am no expert in this kind of charts not their theory so I can only support

your " well in place " question.

 

It is not the freezing process only that is " twisting " the above but the

entire OLD question of " when does life begin and when does the soul enters " .

More complicated than such in my opinion.

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

-

" Nitish Arya " <yeeahoo_99

<varahamihira >

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:37 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

> Hi Jay,

> I have a question and a reasoning.

> Why shouldn't conception chart give a clue to the

> entire " freeze operation " of 12 years and subsequent

> acceptance of the two embryos for birth resulting in a

> normal birth?

> It is still an operation which has been allowed by

> the creator and laws of nature, and not something

> against it. Astrology deals with time, and if you look

> at it - the parents must have had a rememberance of

> the frozen embryo for 12 years - so when jupiter

> allows....rest can be found by looking at the charts

> ofcourse!

> regards,

> nitish

> --- " J.Weiss " <jayhw wrote:

> > Hi all,

> >

> > We have seen various astrological dilemmas in the

> > past, some of which remain a future challenge.

> > If the surrogate mother issue confused you in the

> > past, this one will blow your mind out as it is

> > beyond anything known so far, breaking every rule in

> > the book(s)!

> >

> > Imagine that a woman's eggs are fertilized outside

> > the womb. Nothing new about that, right ?

> > That was back in 1990.

> > As a result of this process 12 embryos were

> > 'created' of which 4 were returned to the mothers

> > womb, 2 were accepted, resulting in the birth of 2

> > healthy girls (now about 11 years old).

> > The other 8 embryos were FROZEN and stored in the

> > hospital!

> >

> > Two years ago the couple decided to have more

> > children and the hospital defrosted 4 of the frozen

> > embryos, which were placed in the mothers womb,

> > three were accepted, one removed AND 2 developed

> > normaly into a boy and a girl that were born about 9

> > month ago.

> > That is 12 years (!!!) AFTER 'creation'.

> > The doctors say that the now 9 month old twins

> > develop normally.

> >

> > The above true event happened in Jerusalem's

> > (Israel) Hadasa hospital and the entire story

> > appears in the February issue of " The Reproduction

> > Journal " and I assume will be available on the net

> > in a couple of month

> > (http://www.reproduction-online.org/).

> >

> > This event is a historical and as such it is in a

> > complete opposition to any theory of a conception

> > chart in relation with a birth chart.

> >

> > Instead of writing tons of astrological and moral

> > issues here I leave the rest to your vivid

> > imagination.

> >

> > What does any learned astrologer have to say about

> > such a challenge ?

> >

> > Blessings

> > /Jay Weiss

> > http://www.alvicomm.com

> > http://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

If you think that it is human intervention which is

" the basis " , then ofcourse it is. However, deeper

still, such an operation has been made possible only

because it is allowed by natural laws/biological laws

etc., which is the level of the creator Brahma.

Therefore, I tend to see it as an interference and

awareness of the interference rather than control over

the creative process/Prakriti - wherein a totally

dormant prakriti in a stone particle eventually

evolves to Brahm which is the ultimate being.

When life begins or ends is something I cannot

answer because atma is never born and never dies i.e.

always stays as an unbroken indefinite continuity/time

etc. Since Jeevaatma is taken as the cause of life in

a physical body, we should change your question to two

questions:

1. When does life manifest?

Always/never because it is a continuity. So it

just changes form.

2. When does it realize its own manifestation in at

least one known way?

In the evolution at the human level.

 

Asking these two questions to myself and accepting

these answers, I don't feel the need to ask when life

begins/ends. Ofcourse, you can go ahead with your

search in the theory of adhana and its foundations and

relation with birth chart.

Still, if you want to theorize, then it can as well

be understood that Jeevaatma will stay in the frozen

embryo till it gets a chance to manifest through womb

or release from the embryo by its most certain

destruction (i.e. disassociation from prakriti), which

however far, is certain just like a living/breathing

human body is incapable of holding an atma after the

relevant karma are over.

Please understand the requirement/importance of

ultimate destruction of anything that is created.

regards,

nitish

 

--- " J.Weiss " <jayhw wrote:

> Dear Nitish,

>

> The whole point here is that human successfully

> interferes with a natural

> process which is normally around 270 days.

> This is (more or less) how Adhana lagna is found.

> I am no expert in this kind of charts not their

> theory so I can only support

> your " well in place " question.

>

> It is not the freezing process only that is

> " twisting " the above but the

> entire OLD question of " when does life begin and

> when does the soul enters " .

> More complicated than such in my opinion.

> Regards

> /Jay Weiss

>

>

> -

> " Nitish Arya " <yeeahoo_99

> <varahamihira >

> Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:37 AM

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange

> beyond your wildest fantasy

>

>

> > Hi Jay,

> > I have a question and a reasoning.

> > Why shouldn't conception chart give a clue to

> the

> > entire " freeze operation " of 12 years and

> subsequent

> > acceptance of the two embryos for birth resulting

> in a

> > normal birth?

> > It is still an operation which has been

> allowed by

> > the creator and laws of nature, and not something

> > against it. Astrology deals with time, and if you

> look

> > at it - the parents must have had a rememberance

> of

> > the frozen embryo for 12 years - so when jupiter

> > allows....rest can be found by looking at the

> charts

> > ofcourse!

> > regards,

> > nitish

> > --- " J.Weiss " <jayhw wrote:

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > > We have seen various astrological dilemmas in

> the

> > > past, some of which remain a future challenge.

> > > If the surrogate mother issue confused you in

> the

> > > past, this one will blow your mind out as it is

> > > beyond anything known so far, breaking every

> rule in

> > > the book(s)!

> > >

> > > Imagine that a woman's eggs are fertilized

> outside

> > > the womb. Nothing new about that, right ?

> > > That was back in 1990.

> > > As a result of this process 12 embryos were

> > > 'created' of which 4 were returned to the

> mothers

> > > womb, 2 were accepted, resulting in the birth of

> 2

> > > healthy girls (now about 11 years old).

> > > The other 8 embryos were FROZEN and stored in

> the

> > > hospital!

> > >

> > > Two years ago the couple decided to have more

> > > children and the hospital defrosted 4 of the

> frozen

> > > embryos, which were placed in the mothers womb,

> > > three were accepted, one removed AND 2 developed

> > > normaly into a boy and a girl that were born

> about 9

> > > month ago.

> > > That is 12 years (!!!) AFTER 'creation'.

> > > The doctors say that the now 9 month old twins

> > > develop normally.

> > >

> > > The above true event happened in Jerusalem's

> > > (Israel) Hadasa hospital and the entire story

> > > appears in the February issue of " The

> Reproduction

> > > Journal " and I assume will be available on the

> net

> > > in a couple of month

> > > (http://www.reproduction-online.org/).

> > >

> > > This event is a historical and as such it is in

> a

> > > complete opposition to any theory of a

> conception

> > > chart in relation with a birth chart.

> > >

> > > Instead of writing tons of astrological and

> moral

> > > issues here I leave the rest to your vivid

> > > imagination.

> > >

> > > What does any learned astrologer have to say

> about

> > > such a challenge ?

> > >

> > > Blessings

> > > /Jay Weiss

> > > http://www.alvicomm.com

> > > http://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool.

> Try it!

> > http://webhosting./ps/sb/

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts

we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not change. The adhana will constitute

the time when the egg was fertilized before it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Swee,

 

Are you saying that it's OK to have a conception chart on a given date (let's say 15-May-1990) and a birth chart years later, let's say 21-June-2003, and that will be just as equivalent to a regular conception<->birth charts with ~270 "nature regulated" days pregnancy ?

 

Also, what happens with "circumstances of birth" ?

If you think deeper into the case I brought up, there are various serious issues of (among others) different timings (both by doctor(s) and later by the woman and maybe also doctors again) and selection of embryos (not done by nature).

Further, there are still 4 frozen embryos dating back to 1990 with unknown future.

 

There has to be more to "man playing God"...

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

-

Swee Chan

varahamihira

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:36 AM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jya Jagannatha

 

From the non emotional but astrological point of

view, may I suggest you read up on creation by Sanjayji

http://srath.com/lesson/creation_2.htm

 

 

Best regards,

 

Swee

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

 

 

J.Weiss

[jayhw]

04 February 2004 11:43

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha|

Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Dear Swee,

 

 

 

 

 

Are you saying that it's OK to have

a conception chart on a given date (let's say 15-May-1990) and a birth chart

years later, let's say 21-June-2003, and that will be just as

equivalent to a regular conception<->birth charts with ~270

" nature regulated " days pregnancy ?

 

 

 

 

 

Also, what happens with

" circumstances of birth " ?

 

 

If you think deeper into the case I

brought up, there are various serious issues of (among

others) different timings (both by doctor(s) and later by the woman

and maybe also doctors again) and selection of embryos (not done by nature).

 

 

Further, there are still 4 frozen

embryos dating back to 1990 with unknown future.

 

 

 

 

 

There has to be more to " man

playing God " ...

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

 

-

 

 

Swee Chan

 

 

varahamihira

 

 

 

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:36 AM

 

 

RE: |Sri

Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

 

 

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts

we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not

change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before

it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om

Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swee,

 

I did read dear Sanjay's article earlier and now again but can't see the connection.

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

-

Swee Chan

varahamihira

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:24 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Jya Jagannatha

 

From the non emotional but astrological point of view, may I suggest you read up on creation by Sanjayji

http://srath.com/lesson/creation_2.htm

 

 

Best regards,

 

Swee

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

J.Weiss [jayhw] 04 February 2004 11:43varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Dear Swee,

 

 

 

Are you saying that it's OK to have a conception chart on a given date (let's say 15-May-1990) and a birth chart years later, let's say 21-June-2003, and that will be just as equivalent to a regular conception<->birth charts with ~270 "nature regulated" days pregnancy ?

 

 

 

Also, what happens with "circumstances of birth" ?

 

If you think deeper into the case I brought up, there are various serious issues of (among others) different timings (both by doctor(s) and later by the woman and maybe also doctors again) and selection of embryos (not done by nature).

 

Further, there are still 4 frozen embryos dating back to 1990 with unknown future.

 

 

 

There has to be more to "man playing God"...

 

 

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

 

-

 

Swee Chan

 

varahamihira

 

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:36 AM

 

RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

 

Past merits:

desiring a son, he gets one

desiring an object, he gets it……….umpteen stories from

the puranas etc

 

Whilst there are others who have tried in so

many ways with the best doctors, the most holy of men etc.,

but are destined not to have.

 

get the gist? J

 

Best regards,

 

Swee

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

 

 

J.Weiss

[jayhw]

04 February 2004 14:06

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha|

Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Dear Swee,

 

 

 

 

 

I did read dear Sanjay's article

earlier and now again but can't see the connection.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

 

-

 

 

Swee Chan

 

 

varahamihira

 

 

 

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:24 PM

 

 

RE: |Sri

Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

 

 

Jya Jagannatha

 

From the non emotional but

astrological point of view, may I suggest you read up on creation by Sanjayji

http://srath.com/lesson/creation_2.htm

 

 

Best regards,

 

Swee

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

 

 

J.Weiss

[jayhw]

04 February 2004 11:43

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha|

Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Dear Swee,

 

 

 

 

 

Are you saying that it's OK to have

a conception chart on a given date (let's say 15-May-1990) and a birth chart

years later, let's say 21-June-2003, and that will be just as

equivalent to a regular conception<->birth charts with ~270

" nature regulated " days pregnancy ?

 

 

 

 

 

Also, what happens with

" circumstances of birth " ?

 

 

If you think deeper into the case I

brought up, there are various serious issues of (among

others) different timings (both by doctor(s) and later by the woman

and maybe also doctors again) and selection of embryos (not done by nature).

 

 

Further, there are still 4 frozen

embryos dating back to 1990 with unknown future.

 

 

 

 

 

There has to be more to " man

playing God " ...

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

 

-

 

 

Swee Chan

 

 

varahamihira

 

 

 

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:36 AM

 

 

RE: |Sri

Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

 

 

Jaya

Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts

we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not

change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before

it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Swee,

You are right. Besides, after reading Ramarayan's and Jay's comment-it's amazing: birth after four, or 20 years- doesn't matter, IT DID exist as foreseen possibility centuries ago-WOW! With the reverse order, we can 'foresee' scientific novelties in the future, as well, can't we?

Imagination goes wild, inevitably..

Regards,

Anna

-"Swee Chan" Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:36:32 +0200RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

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Hare Rama Krsna

This actually brings up the question of

the difference in the nisheka and the adhana. My thought is that the fertilization

of the egg was the nisheka. The adhana was when the egg was put in the womb.

Remember that the moment one has sex and the sperm enters verse when the growing

of the embryo. There are a few days difference. It would be nice to have some

charts to look at, the children’s chart and I’m sure there is

record of when the doctors did there work. The 12 year Jupiter cycle is definitely

interesting.

Namah Sivaya

 

 

J.Weiss

[jayhw]

Wednesday, February 04, 2004

11:17 AM

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|Sri Varaha| Astrological

challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Hi all,

 

 

 

 

 

We have seen various astrological dilemmas in the

past, some of which remain a future challenge.

 

 

If the surrogate mother issue confused you in the past,

this one will blow your mind out as it is beyond anything known so far,

breaking every rule in the book(s)!

 

 

 

 

 

Imagine that a woman's eggs are fertilized

outside the womb. Nothing new about that, right ?

 

 

That was back in 1990.

 

 

As a result of this process 12 embryos were 'created' of which 4

were returned to the mothers womb, 2 were accepted, resulting in the birth

of 2 healthy girls (now about 11 years old).

 

 

The other 8

embryos were FROZEN and stored in the hospital!

 

 

 

 

 

Two years ago the couple decided to have more children

and the hospital defrosted 4 of the frozen embryos, which were placed

in the mothers womb, three were accepted, one removed AND 2

developed normaly into a boy and a girl that were born about 9 month

ago.

 

 

That is 12 years (!!!) AFTER

'creation'.

 

 

The doctors say that the now 9 month old twins develop

normally.

 

 

 

 

 

The above true event happened in Jerusalem's

(Israel) Hadasa hospital and the entire story appears in the February

issue of " The Reproduction Journal " and I assume will be available on

the net in a couple of month (http://www.reproduction-online.org/).

 

 

 

 

 

 

This

event is a historical and as such it

is in a complete

opposition to any theory of a conception chart in relation with a birth

chart.

 

 

 

 

 

Instead

of writing tons of astrological and moral

issues here I leave the rest to your vivid imagination.

 

 

 

 

 

What does any learned astrologer have to say

about such a challenge ?

 

 

 

 

 

Blessings

/Jay Weiss

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http://www.alvicomm.com/privat.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Swee, Jay, all,

Lots of questions unaswered... On one hand, you are right Swee- adhana lagna concept doesn't change- but is that possible /except theorethically ? If egg was fertilized- let's say that's "initiation"

Than it's planted /20yrs later/ in 'mother's /or surrogate mother's????/ womb for 'susteinance'

'Normally' the two go together simultaneously- but not here!- Is adhana lagna decided 20 years in advance? For all fertilized eggs same Lagna? When in fact conception occurs?I am not getting this, really..Anna

-"108 ar" Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:19:09 -0500varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

Dear Swee,

You are right. Besides, after reading Ramarayan's and Jay's comment-it's amazing: birth after four, or 20 years- doesn't matter, IT DID exist as foreseen possibility centuries ago-WOW! With the reverse order, we can 'foresee' scientific novelties in the future, as well, can't we?

Imagination goes wild, inevitably..

Regards,

Anna

-"Swee Chan" Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:36:32 +0200RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

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::Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya::Dear Anna

adhana is derived from the word 'garhaadhana' where garbha means womb...

nisheka is another issue and its coitus.Best Regards,Sanjay RathSJC-Puri: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri -752001, India----------------------------OM TAT SAT---------------------------

- 108 ar

varahamihira

Friday, February 06, 2004 12:59 PM

Fw: RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

Dear Swee, Jay, all,

Lots of questions unaswered... On one hand, you are right Swee- adhana lagna concept doesn't change- but is that possible /except theorethically ? If egg was fertilized- let's say that's "initiation"

Than it's planted /20yrs later/ in 'mother's /or surrogate mother's????/ womb for 'susteinance'

'Normally' the two go together simultaneously- but not here!- Is adhana lagna decided 20 years in advance? For all fertilized eggs same Lagna? When in fact conception occurs?I am not getting this, really..Anna

-"108 ar" Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:19:09 -0500varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

Dear Swee,

You are right. Besides, after reading Ramarayan's and Jay's comment-it's amazing: birth after four, or 20 years- doesn't matter, IT DID exist as foreseen possibility centuries ago-WOW! With the reverse order, we can 'foresee' scientific novelties in the future, as well, can't we?

Imagination goes wild, inevitably..

Regards,

Anna

-"Swee Chan" Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:36:32 +0200RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

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[Guest guest]

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

"Dear Anna

adhana is derived from the word 'garhaadhana' where garbha means womb...

nisheka is another issue and its coitus.Best Regards,Sanjay Rath"

 

Thank you. Further dwelling on this would seem like 'splitting the hair', so I give up- maybe not the right time for understanding..

Regards,

Anna

 

 

- 108 ar

varahamihira

Friday, February 06, 2004 12:59 PM

Fw: RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

Dear Swee, Jay, all,

Lots of questions unaswered... On one hand, you are right Swee- adhana lagna concept doesn't change- but is that possible /except theorethically ? If egg was fertilized- let's say that's "initiation"

Than it's planted /20yrs later/ in 'mother's /or surrogate mother's????/ womb for 'susteinance'

'Normally' the two go together simultaneously- but not here!- Is adhana lagna decided 20 years in advance? For all fertilized eggs same Lagna? When in fact conception occurs?I am not getting this, really..Anna

-"108 ar" Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:19:09 -0500varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

Dear Swee,

You are right. Besides, after reading Ramarayan's and Jay's comment-it's amazing: birth after four, or 20 years- doesn't matter, IT DID exist as foreseen possibility centuries ago-WOW! With the reverse order, we can 'foresee' scientific novelties in the future, as well, can't we?

Imagination goes wild, inevitably..

Regards,

Anna

-"Swee Chan" Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:36:32 +0200RE: |Sri Varaha| Astrological challange beyond your wildest fantasy

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Anna,

 

/Adhnana lagna, conception chart... how many concepts we've used to use will become 'obsolete'?/

 

This concept does not change. The adhana will constitute the time when the egg was fertilized before it is put back into the womb.

 

Best wishes,

 

Swee

 

swee

www.brihaspati.net

 

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