Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna-"Sarajit Poddar" Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Freedom,I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good.What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakestposition of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even alittle bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there iscancellation of debilitation.Best WishesSarajitFreedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthanaHare Rama KrsnaFor Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas likeJuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha.For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum SahOthers can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules.Its important to keep in mind:1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for personborn in the day time.Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born inthe night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make onebrilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night)Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at nightMangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birththen short tempered and will be easily defeatedThose born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- maleficsare strongerMercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night becausehe is strong in both.2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical tothe lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahuconj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has lesspower to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example,neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results.Namah SivayaFreedomonlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Gurus and Jyotishas,How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana?For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used?How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana?If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great.thanks and regardsHari|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its result. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards /Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27 varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna - " Sarajit Poddar " Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800 RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Freedom, I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good. What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakest position of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even a little bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there is cancellation of debilitation. Best Wishes Sarajit Freedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Hare Rama Krsna For Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas like JuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha. For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum Sah Others can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules. Its important to keep in mind: 1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for person born in the day time. Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born in the night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make one brilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night) Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at night Mangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birth then short tempered and will be easily defeated Those born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- malefics are stronger Mercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night because he is strong in both. 2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical to the lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahu conj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has less power to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example, neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results. Namah Sivaya Freedom onlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Gurus and Jyotishas, How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana? For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used? How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana? If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great. thanks and regards Hari |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Dear Sarajit, I was affraid you'll say that... The best example that I know of is my own. The natural age of Mars (42-56) my "YK/Badhakesh/Debl/afflicted by Saturn, both in the 12th" is the worst period of my life (besides a hole of 3 good years) as far as career is concerned. Mars, which is also the AmK, is directly connected to Venus, who's lord of 10th in 10th. As this is exactly the opposite of what you wrote I wonder if we are not missing something here. Greetings/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Jay, I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its result. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna-"Sarajit Poddar" Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Freedom,I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good.What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakestposition of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even alittle bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there iscancellation of debilitation.Best WishesSarajitFreedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthanaHare Rama KrsnaFor Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas likeJuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha.For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum SahOthers can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules.Its important to keep in mind:1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for personborn in the day time.Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born inthe night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make onebrilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night)Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at nightMangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birththen short tempered and will be easily defeatedThose born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- maleficsare strongerMercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night becausehe is strong in both.2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical tothe lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahuconj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has lesspower to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example,neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results.Namah SivayaFreedomonlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Gurus and Jyotishas,How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana?For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used?How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana?If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great.thanks and regardsHari|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Probably I would have expected a similar answer from you. I wrote that even after I read the line u had emphasized. Please let me know how is the Saturn Dasa which started from 1998? Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 3:44 PM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, I was affraid you'll say that... The best example that I know of is my own. The natural age of Mars (42-56) my " YK/Badhakesh/Debl/afflicted by Saturn, both in the 12th " is the worst period of my life (besides a hole of 3 good years) as far as career is concerned. Mars, which is also the AmK, is directly connected to Venus, who's lord of 10th in 10th. As this is exactly the opposite of what you wrote I wonder if we are not missing something here. Greetings /Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its result. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards /Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27 varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna - " Sarajit Poddar " Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800 RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Freedom, I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good. What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakest position of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even a little bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there is cancellation of debilitation. Best Wishes Sarajit Freedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Hare Rama Krsna For Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas like JuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha. For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum Sah Others can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules. Its important to keep in mind: 1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for person born in the day time. Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born in the night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make one brilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night) Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at night Mangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birth then short tempered and will be easily defeated Those born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- malefics are stronger Mercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night because he is strong in both. 2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical to the lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahu conj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has less power to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example, neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results. Namah Sivaya Freedom onlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Gurus and Jyotishas, How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana? For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used? How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana? If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great. thanks and regards Hari |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Dear Sarajit, You sure made me burst in huge laughter ... how nice. Sat/Sat (1998-2001) was the 'jewel in the crown' as far as work (not career!) and income is concerned, and all abroad (fits perfectly). Sat/Mer (which I hope is just about to come to an end soon) is a total disaster (literally!) as far as the above is concerned. The light in this period is obviously ... Jyotish studies. Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 9:04 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Probably I would have expected a similar answer from you. I wrote that even after I read the line u had emphasized. Please let me know how is the Saturn Dasa which started from 1998? Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 3:44 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, I was affraid you'll say that... The best example that I know of is my own. The natural age of Mars (42-56) my "YK/Badhakesh/Debl/afflicted by Saturn, both in the 12th" is the worst period of my life (besides a hole of 3 good years) as far as career is concerned. Mars, which is also the AmK, is directly connected to Venus, who's lord of 10th in 10th. As this is exactly the opposite of what you wrote I wonder if we are not missing something here. Greetings/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Jay, I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its result. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna-"Sarajit Poddar" Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Freedom,I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good.What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakestposition of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even alittle bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there iscancellation of debilitation.Best WishesSarajitFreedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthanaHare Rama KrsnaFor Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas likeJuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha.For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum SahOthers can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules.Its important to keep in mind:1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for personborn in the day time.Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born inthe night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make onebrilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night)Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at nightMangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birththen short tempered and will be easily defeatedThose born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- maleficsare strongerMercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night becausehe is strong in both.2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical tothe lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahuconj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has lesspower to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example,neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results.Namah SivayaFreedomonlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Gurus and Jyotishas,How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana?For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used?How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana?If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great.thanks and regardsHari|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Thanks a lot for the good laugh J. It makes others happy too. What I said before, was a case in isolation. In your case, Saturn is the 6th and 7th lord and even then its dasa gave you a excellent result… why? This is because, it started giving the results of Yogakaraka, which it imbibed due to association with Mars. More than that, any planet well placed in the trines/ Kendra in the navamsa, the results are good. Now why Sat- Merc bombed. Merc. Is placed in a dusthana and shall give bad results. However, we got to know when. Whenever the weakness of Mercury shows up. The cause of Merc’s weakness is Saturn, being the karaka of the 8th. So when Saturn becomes the king, Mercury is helpless to protect itself. And if Merc suffers, which house suffers, the houses of which Merc is the lord and the karaka, 2nd, 11th, 4th & 10th. The houses, Saturn becomes the natural enemy of whose karaka, shall suffer the most and in this case its all. So you might have faced troubles in finances, property and career. However, Sat-Merc-Jup was the savior.. in the later half…. isn’t it. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 4:35 PM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, You sure made me burst in huge laughter ... how nice. Sat/Sat (1998-2001) was the 'jewel in the crown' as far as work (not career!) and income is concerned, and all abroad (fits perfectly). Sat/Mer (which I hope is just about to come to an end soon) is a total disaster (literally!) as far as the above is concerned. The light in this period is obviously ... Jyotish studies. Regards /Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 9:04 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Probably I would have expected a similar answer from you. I wrote that even after I read the line u had emphasized. Please let me know how is the Saturn Dasa which started from 1998? Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 3:44 PM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, I was affraid you'll say that... The best example that I know of is my own. The natural age of Mars (42-56) my " YK/Badhakesh/Debl/afflicted by Saturn, both in the 12th " is the worst period of my life (besides a hole of 3 good years) as far as career is concerned. Mars, which is also the AmK, is directly connected to Venus, who's lord of 10th in 10th. As this is exactly the opposite of what you wrote I wonder if we are not missing something here. Greetings /Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its result. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards /Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27 varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna - " Sarajit Poddar " Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800 RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Freedom, I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good. What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakest position of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even a little bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there is cancellation of debilitation. Best Wishes Sarajit Freedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Hare Rama Krsna For Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas like JuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha. For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum Sah Others can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules. Its important to keep in mind: 1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for person born in the day time. Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born in the night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make one brilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night) Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at night Mangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birth then short tempered and will be easily defeated Those born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- malefics are stronger Mercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night because he is strong in both. 2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical to the lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahu conj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has less power to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example, neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results. Namah Sivaya Freedom onlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Gurus and Jyotishas, How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana? For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used? How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana? If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great. thanks and regards Hari |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Dear Sarajit, Very well explained with the "results of" - couldn't agree with you more and hope others can learn from it too as it is easy to miss. Also mostly true about the second part (which I am naturally aware of) besides the points that property is not affected and that no savoir has shown up during Sat-Mer-Jup. A sort of a temporary/minor financial savoir has shown up at the beginning of Sat-Mer-Sat. Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 10:07 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Thanks a lot for the good laugh J. It makes others happy too. What I said before, was a case in isolation. In your case, Saturn is the 6th and 7th lord and even then its dasa gave you a excellent result… why? This is because, it started giving the results of Yogakaraka, which it imbibed due to association with Mars. More than that, any planet well placed in the trines/ Kendra in the navamsa, the results are good. Now why Sat- Merc bombed. Merc. Is placed in a dusthana and shall give bad results. However, we got to know when. Whenever the weakness of Mercury shows up. The cause of Merc’s weakness is Saturn, being the karaka of the 8th. So when Saturn becomes the king, Mercury is helpless to protect itself. And if Merc suffers, which house suffers, the houses of which Merc is the lord and the karaka, 2nd, 11th, 4th & 10th. The houses, Saturn becomes the natural enemy of whose karaka, shall suffer the most and in this case its all. So you might have faced troubles in finances, property and career. However, Sat-Merc-Jup was the savior.. in the later half…. isn’t it. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 4:35 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, You sure made me burst in huge laughter ... how nice. Sat/Sat (1998-2001) was the 'jewel in the crown' as far as work (not career!) and income is concerned, and all abroad (fits perfectly). Sat/Mer (which I hope is just about to come to an end soon) is a total disaster (literally!) as far as the above is concerned. The light in this period is obviously ... Jyotish studies. Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 9:04 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Probably I would have expected a similar answer from you. I wrote that even after I read the line u had emphasized. Please let me know how is the Saturn Dasa which started from 1998? Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 3:44 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, I was affraid you'll say that... The best example that I know of is my own. The natural age of Mars (42-56) my "YK/Badhakesh/Debl/afflicted by Saturn, both in the 12th" is the worst period of my life (besides a hole of 3 good years) as far as career is concerned. Mars, which is also the AmK, is directly connected to Venus, who's lord of 10th in 10th. As this is exactly the opposite of what you wrote I wonder if we are not missing something here. Greetings/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Jay, I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its result. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna-"Sarajit Poddar" Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Freedom,I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good.What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakestposition of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even alittle bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there iscancellation of debilitation.Best WishesSarajitFreedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthanaHare Rama KrsnaFor Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas likeJuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha.For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum SahOthers can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules.Its important to keep in mind:1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for personborn in the day time.Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born inthe night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make onebrilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night)Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at nightMangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birththen short tempered and will be easily defeatedThose born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- maleficsare strongerMercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night becausehe is strong in both.2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical tothe lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahuconj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has lesspower to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example,neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results.Namah SivayaFreedomonlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Gurus and Jyotishas,How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana?For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used?How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana?If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great.thanks and regardsHari|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Dear Sarajit, The rule that the planets in conjunction play each other roles, made you conclude that in Jay's case YK qualities will be expressed by Saturn, instead of Mars-OK- and it's not because YK is badhakesh, deb., - just because it conjuncts Saturn, right? I have Qs here: How close the conjunction should be, in order for this effect to take place? Will broad one /within the sign only, no close orb/do? Recently on VA List we had a NBRY question, where Ju was conjunct Ra- Native is experiencing very good Ju dasa- as per /Ju/ 'promise' though?So what effect from this conjunction is expected as per above rule? Would Rahu take over significations of Ju, and express it in its period, as per the rule? To which degree we can expect this to happen? Or is it 'total' exchange of roles? How can we know that in advance, if former is the case? /I would say there is more to this rule, at least per last NBRY example?/ Would other aspects have the same effects- like trine?As per my YK Mars in trine to Rahu, as per the rule, Rahu will express its role. What's left, if anything for Mars? Will Mars play the role of Rahu in AQ-in 8th? What would that be- in terms of manifestation. Lots of questions, I know. I thank you for answering! Best wishes, Anna-"Sarajit Poddar" Mon, 9 Feb 2004 17:07:13 +0800RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Thanks a lot for the good laugh J. It makes others happy too. What I said before, was a case in isolation. In your case, Saturn is the 6th and 7th lord and even then its dasa gave you a excellent result… why? This is because, it started giving the results of Yogakaraka, which it imbibed due to association with Mars. More than that, any planet well placed in the trines/ Kendra in the navamsa, the results are good. Now why Sat- Merc bombed. Merc. Is placed in a dusthana and shall give bad results. However, we got to know when. Whenever the weakness of Mercury shows up. The cause of Merc’s weakness is Saturn, being the karaka of the 8th. So when Saturn becomes the king, Mercury is helpless to protect itself. And if Merc suffers, which house suffers, the houses of which Merc is the lord and the karaka, 2nd, 11th, 4th & 10th. The houses, Saturn becomes the natural enemy of whose karaka, shall s uffer the most and in this case its all. So you might have faced troubles in finances, property and career. However, Sat-Merc-Jup was the savior.. in the later half…. isn’t it. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 4:35 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, You sure made me burst in huge laughter ... how nice. Sat/Sat (1998-2001) was the 'jewel in the crown' as far as work (not career!) and income is concerned, and all abroad (fits perfectly). Sat/Mer (which I hope is just about to come to an end soon) is a total disaster (literally!) as far as the above is concerned. The light in this period is obviously ... Jyotish studies. Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 9:04 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Jay, Probably I would have expected a similar answer from you. I wrote that even after I read the line u had emphasized. Please let me know how is the Saturn Dasa which started from 1998? Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 3:44 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mant ra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, I was affraid you'll say that... The best example that I know of is my own. The natural age of Mars (42-56) my "YK/Badhakesh/Debl/afflicted by Saturn, both in the 12th" is the worst period of my life (besides a hole of 3 good years) as far as career is concerned. Mars, which is also the AmK, is directly connected to Venus, who's lord of 10th in 10th. As this is exactly the opposite of what you wrote I wonder if we are not missing something here. Greetings/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 AM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Jay, I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its result. Best Wishes Sarajit J.Weiss [jayhw] Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit Dear Sarajit, That was one good explanation. Thanks. As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the archive) I reproduce it here: ------------- I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even 'eliminated'. Can you comment please ? ------------- Regards/Jay Weiss - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Swee, I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is that, as “houses” rather than “signs” are involved in the MKA of the planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. However the lord is very important to their strength and it can’t be ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper analysis, the karaka’s placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev’s chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objecti ve of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. That’s why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other’s head. Best Wishes Sarajit Swee Chan [swee] Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Sarajit, I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord’s dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in totality. (unquote) Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my understanding correct? Love, Swee swee www.brihaspati.net Sarajit Poddar [sarajit] 08 February 2004 10:27varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Anna, Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, however that’s not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. J Best Wishes Sarajit 108 ar [jyotish108] Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana Dear Sarajit, While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear to me, I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? Thanks. Warmest wishes, Anna-"Sarajit Poddar" Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Freedom,I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good.What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakestposition of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even alittle bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there iscancellation of debilitation.Best WishesSarajitFreedom [freedom] Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthanaHare Rama KrsnaFor Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas likeJuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha.For example a good one for Venus is Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum SahOthers can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules.Its important to keep in mind:1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for personborn in the day time.Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born inthe night. Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make onebrilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night)Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at nightMangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birththen short tempered and will be easily defeatedThose born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- maleficsare strongerMercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night becausehe is strong in both.2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical tothe lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahuconj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has lesspower to harm. 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example,neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results.Namah SivayaFreedomonlyhari [onlyhari] Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Gurus and Jyotishas,How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in maranasthana?For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific purpose be used?How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in maranasthana?If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that would be great.thanks and regardsHari|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2004 Report Share Posted February 9, 2004 Dear Sarajit, The rule that the planets in conjunction play each other roles, made you conclude that in Jay's case YK qualities will be expressed by Saturn, instead of Mars- and it's not because YK is badhakesh, deb., - just because it conjuncts Saturn, right? I have Qs here: How close the conjunction should be, in order for this effect to take place? Will broad one /within the sign only, no close orb/do? Recently on VA List we had a NBRY question, where Ju was conjunct Ra- Native is experiencing very good Ju dasa- as per 'promise': So what effect from this conjunction is expected as per above rule? Would Rahu take over significations of Ju, and express it in its period, as per the rule? To which degree we can expect this to happen? Or is it 'total' exchange of roles? How can we know that in advance, if former is the case? Would other aspects have the same effects- like trine? As per my YK Mars in trine to Rahu, as per the rule, Rahu will express its role. What's left, if anything for Mars? Will Mars play the role of Rahu in AQ-in 8th? What would that be- in terms of manifestation. Lots of questions, I know. I thank you for answering! Anna -- In varahamihira , " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit@s...> wrote: > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Jay, > > Thanks a lot for the good laugh :-). It makes others happy too. What I > said before, was a case in isolation. In your case, Saturn is the 6th > and 7th lord and even then its dasa gave you a excellent result. why? > This is because, it started giving the results of Yogakaraka, which it > imbibed due to association with Mars. More than that, any planet well > placed in the trines/ Kendra in the navamsa, the results are good. > > Now why Sat- Merc bombed. Merc. Is placed in a dusthana and shall give > bad results. However, we got to know when. Whenever the weakness of > Mercury shows up. The cause of Merc's weakness is Saturn, being the > karaka of the 8th. So when Saturn becomes the king, Mercury is helpless > to protect itself. And if Merc suffers, which house suffers, the houses > of which Merc is the lord and the karaka, 2nd, 11th, 4th & 10th. The > houses, Saturn becomes the natural enemy of whose karaka, shall suffer > the most and in this case its all. So you might have faced troubles in > finances, property and career. However, Sat-Merc-Jup was the savior.. in > the later half.. isn't it. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > J.Weiss [jayhw@t...] > Monday, February 09, 2004 4:35 PM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit > > Dear Sarajit, > You sure made me burst in huge laughter ... how nice. > Sat/Sat (1998-2001) was the 'jewel in the crown' as far as work (not > career!) and income is concerned, and all abroad (fits perfectly). > Sat/Mer (which I hope is just about to come to an end soon) is a total > disaster (literally!) as far as the above is concerned. > The light in this period is obviously ... Jyotish studies. > Regards > /Jay Weiss > - > Sarajit <sarajit@s...> Poddar > varahamihira > Monday, February 09, 2004 9:04 AM > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Jay, > > Probably I would have expected a similar answer from you. I wrote that > even after I read the line u had emphasized. Please let me know how is > the Saturn Dasa which started from 1998? > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > J.Weiss [jayhw@t...] > Monday, February 09, 2004 3:44 PM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit > > Dear Sarajit, > I was affraid you'll say that... > The best example that I know of is my own. > The natural age of Mars (42-56) my " YK/Badhakesh/Debl/afflicted by > Saturn, both in the 12th " is the worst period of my life (besides a hole > of 3 good years) as far as career is concerned. > Mars, which is also the AmK, is directly connected to Venus, who's lord > of 10th in 10th. > As this is exactly the opposite of what you wrote I wonder if we are not > missing something here. > Greetings > /Jay Weiss > - > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> > varahamihira > Monday, February 09, 2004 8:30 AM > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Jay, > > I might have missed out replying your mail. While badhakesh becomes > yogakaraka, the YK function doesnot drastically reduce. The badhakesh > tries producing the badha, as long as the person doenot learn to give > and propitiate/ do things shown by a particular placement of the > badhaka. Once the Badhakesh is propitiated/ ur obligations are > fulfilled, you can see the blooming of the yoga shown by the YK. Or > rather wait for the natural age of the YK planet to come and u see its > result. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > J.Weiss [jayhw@t...] > Monday, February 09, 2004 2:17 AM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana -> Sarajit > > Dear Sarajit, > > That was one good explanation. Thanks. > > As you did not reply to my question in a previous message (11351 in the > archive) I reproduce it here: > ------------- > I can confirm out of personal experience what you wrote as I have > badhakesh Mars (L9th) in the 12th/Cn. > However in such a case (and I assume there are many like me) Mars is not > only badkesh but also Yogakaraka (and in my case also debl.). > My experience suggest that YK function is drastically reduced or even > 'eliminated'. > Can you comment please ? > ------------- > Regards > /Jay Weiss > - > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> > varahamihira > Sunday, February 08, 2004 5:29 PM > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Swee, > > I have not disregarded the dispositor of the lagna lord. In fact all the > dispositor the rasi, Nakshatra and the navamsa dispositor have very high > say in the strength of the planet. However, what I tried to point out is > that, as " houses " rather than " signs " are involved in the MKA of the > planet, the karaka gain more importance than the lord of the sign. > However the lord is very important to their strength and it can't be > ignored. One more thing here, while judging the relative strength of a > planet, we consider the dispositor and not give much importance to the > strength of the karaka, where the lagna lord is placed. To do a proper > analysis, the karaka's placement is also to be judged. In Gurudev's > chart the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna and hence Sun gain a lot of > say in the matters of the Lagna. Sun shall determine, how the objective > of the Lagna lord be fulfilled, being the primary karaka of the Lagna. > > The dispositor of the Lagna lord doesnot behave like Sun, rather, the > lagna lord behaves like Sun. This is based on the principle that, the > lord of a house shall carry the influences of the karaka of the house to > wherever it is placed. So 2nd lord shall behave like Moon, 3rd like > Mars, 4th like Mars/Moon/Merc/Ven; 5th like Jup/ Sun etc. > > Saturn and Rahu are not the only one who controls the 3rd bhava. Any > bhava is controlled by at least two planets, the lord and the karaka. > That's why whenever a lord of a house is weak, the karaka comes to > rescue and vice versa. The lord of a sign protects the signs, whereas > the Karaka carry out the responsibilities/ significations of the house. > So you cannot ignore one and rest its responsibility on other's head. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > > > Swee Chan [swee@c...] > Sunday, February 08, 2004 8:06 PM > varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya > > Dear Sarajit, > > I cannot understand why you would disregard your lagna lord's > dispositor. Besides Jupiter in MKS, its dispositor is Saturn, indicating > sorrow. According to Sanjayji, (quote) the dispositor of the lagna lord > behaves/acts like the Sun. Therefore, your Saturn or Rahu controls all > matters concerning the Bhava, health, wealth and the personality in > totality. (unquote) > Hence rasi mantra for Aquarius can help you in this case. Is my > understanding correct? > > Love, > Swee > swee@b... > www.brihaspati.net <http://www.brihaspati.net/> > > > > Sarajit Poddar [sarajit@s...] > 08 February 2004 10:27 > varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Anna, > > Exaltation of the MKA planets reduces the blemish to a large extent, > however that's not all. We need to see all the source of the strengths > to see the manifestation of the Marana Avasta at a particular arena of > life. Exaltation and debilitation are only positional strengths and this > shows that MKA planet shall not adversely affect the status/ position of > the native. Please read my article on shadbala for interpretation of > other sources of strengths. What Freedom wrote in one mail about the day > and night strength is the kala bala and has to be interpreted little > differently. So the bottomline is that, we need to find out what are the > sources of strength of the MKA planet and those areas shall be spared. > > I am some more views on MKA planets, which I do not know whether > approved by Sanjayji. However, just for sharing and more deliberations > on the topic, I shall write it down. Like Debiltation, MKA is a source > of weakness to a planet. However the difference is that, while > debilitation has to do with different signs, MKA has to do with > different houses. As the strength of the dispositor becomes important in > the former case, I would tend to think that the strength of the karaka > becomes important to the Planets in the MKA. We know that if Saturn is > well placed in Kendra to lagna/ moon; exalted in the Navamsa, the > debilitation of Jupiter is cancelled. We see here that, although Saturn > is the cause of debilitation of Jupiter, it has the key to cancel the > debilitation too. Hence if Jup is deb, strengthening Saturn could be one > of the solution to cancel the debility of Jup. However, if Jupiter is in > MKA in the 3rd house, it shall be so, irrespective of the sign where it > is placed. However, as houses are involved here, karaka takes the > precedence compared to the dispositor of Jupiter and I would tend to > think that the strength of Karaka Mars is important to cancel such state > of MKA. Take my case, Jup in MKA, however, Mars the Karaka for 3rd, is > the AK and placed in the 9th and own Navamsa showing that, I (AK) shall > be able to cancel the avastha of Jupiter. Jup rules 1st and 4th and > hence my health (1st) and mother (4th) (also because karaka for mother > is deb in both rasi and Navamsa) shall suffer. But I realized that the > key to uplift both from the condition lies with me (Mars-AK). > > Please ponder on it. You might hit some better clues on judgement. :-) > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > 108 ar [jyotish108@c...] > Sunday, February 08, 2004 1:56 PM > varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana > > Dear Sarajit, > While what you wrote here- that debilitation further weakens the planet > in MKS, and is thus the worst condition- is perfectly logical and clear > to me, > I am wondering about potential sources of empowerment of a planet in > MKS- by extension it seems exaltation would do that-is that right? > Anything else- that can modify, improve this bad condition? > Thanks. > Warmest wishes, > Anna > > - > " Sarajit Poddar " > Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:23:30 +0800 > To: > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana > > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Freedom, > > I cannot agree with you on the last point that deb MKA planet is good. > What I remember from Gurudev's teaching that this is the most weakest > position of the planet and the houses ruled are not spared, even a > little bit. This is the most dangerous position, unless there is > cancellation of debilitation. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > Freedom [freedom@s...] > Monday, February 02, 2004 5:36 PM > varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana > > Hare Rama Krsna > > For Maranakaraka planets you need life rejuvenating mantras, bijas like > JuM. You can use t he various forms of Shiva accordingly to the graha. > For example a good one for Venus is > Aum Namah Sivaya Triambakaya Haum Jum Sah > Others can be calculated according to mantra shastra rules. > > Its important to keep in mind: > 1. Day strong planets in maranakarakasthana are not as bad for person > born in the day time. > Night strong planets maranakarakasthana are not bad if person is born in > the night. > Mars is bad in 7th in Rasi if born in daytime, but will make one > brilliant if born at night (malefics are strong at night) > Moon in 8th at night birth is good merely b/c person was born at night > Mangalik dosa will not show short temper if born at night, if day birth > then short tempered and will be easily defeated > > Those born in day-benefics are stronger person born at night- malefics > are stronger > > Mercury in 7th house maranakaraka is not that bad day or night because > he is strong in both. > > 2. Sometimes maranakarakastha na is good. If the planet is inimical to > the lagna it can be beneficial to the chart. For example, a Jupiter Rahu > conj can cause havoc, but when maranakarakasthana in the 3rd it has less > power to harm. > > 3. Debilitated maranakarakasthana planet is reversed. For example, > neecha Guru in the 3rd will give Jupiter's good results. > > Namah Sivaya > Freedom > onlyhari [onlyhari] > Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:57 PM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Mantra for planet in maranasthana > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Gurus and Jyotishas, > > How to deduce the specific mantra for strengthening of a planet in > maranasthana? > > For eg., if Sun is in 12th, should we prescribe a 12 akshara mantra? > How to derive this mantra? If Moon is in 8th, should a 8 akshara > mantra be prescribed? Can Jyotirlinga mantras for this specific > purpose be used? > > How to choose between prescription of mantra or gem for planet in > maranasthana? > > If somebody can explain with examples (and observed effects) that > would be great. > > thanks and regards > Hari > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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