Guest guest Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah || || Om Namah Shivaya || Dear Learned Members, Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense. Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these Nine Expressions?. Please give me your thoughts on this. Nine Basic Emotions. -------------------- Athbutham Wonder Beebhalsam Disgust Bhayaanakam Fear Haasyam Ridicule Karunam Pathos Rowdram Wrath Shaantham Peace Shringaaram Amour Veeram Valour Also The website http://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htm Give the following Information. According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak of Rasa as nine in number NavaRasa RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says: Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyam hanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhe bhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãntham param pãthunah Meaning: " He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita; In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow; In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; In Hasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazes upon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as he sees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us ! " Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Dear Sanjay, We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so can the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much so...I would like to know what other members think of this... Best regards, Sarbani sanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra || Om Gurave Namah || || Om Namah Shivaya || Dear Learned Members, Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense. Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these Nine Expressions?. Please give me your thoughts on this. Nine Basic Emotions. -------------------- Athbutham Wonder Beebhalsam Disgust Bhayaanakam Fear Haasyam Ridicule Karunam Pathos Rowdram Wrath Shaantham Peace Shringaaram Amour Veeram Valour Also The website http://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htm Give the following Information. According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak of Rasa as nine in number NavaRasa RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says: Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyam hanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhe bhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãntham param pãthunah Meaning: " He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita; In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow; In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; In Hasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazes upon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as he sees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us ! " Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Om Tat Sat |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Sarbani & Sanjay P, I was just wondering if these navarasas should be related to nakshatraamsa (D-27) as this is supposed to show our impulses. D-9 is more for bhagya and fortunes accruing to you out of the union with father and mother. Moreover as Sarbani pointed out, Moon is the overlord of the lunar mansions. regards HariSarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Sanjay,We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, isneither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so canthe soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very muchso...I would like to know what other members think of this...Best regards,Sarbanisanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra|| Om Gurave Namah |||| Om Namah Shivaya ||Dear Learned Members,Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense.Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these Nine Expressions?.Please give me your thoughts on this.Nine Basic Emotions.--------------------Athbutham WonderBeebhalsam DisgustBhayaanakam FearHaasyam RidiculeKarunam PathosRowdram WrathShaantham PeaceShringaaram AmourVeeram ValourAlso The websitehttp://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htmGive the following Information.According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak of Rasa as nine in numberNavaRasa RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says:Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyamhanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhebhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãnthamparam pãthunahMeaning:"He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita;In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow;In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; InHasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazesupon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as hesees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us !"Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranOm Tat Sat|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Dear Sanjay P., Sarbani et al., OK, but where does the Ekarasa fit in here then? Ekarasa is a pan-Indic Sahajiya mystical term that goes quite a ways back (much further than the largely misconstrued visionaries some conservatives reductively dub " imitationists " ...) Could there be a correlate in Jyotish considering that this word -- along with clusters of wordplay around the term _rasa_ generally relevant to the one taste -- is to be found everywhere in both kaavya and the visionary literature? I am sleepy and so am just musing. But rasa is a favorite topic for me. Abhinavagupta, of course, has a lot to say about rasa, the sthayibhavas, and related concerns. (Wonder if *he* wrote anything on jyotish...) I wrote a fairly speculative paper for my Skt. class in grad school on the kaavya of the Subhaas.itaratnakos.a and the role of rasa there. It is a love of mine I have not kindled in some time (which, like my crippled Sanskrit, will soon demand to be reborn.) Best, Jesse Abbot varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so can > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this... > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > sanjayp@s... [sanjayp@s...] > Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > || Om Namah Shivaya || > > Dear Learned Members, > Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a > human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is > the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, > The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense. > > Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these > Nine Expressions?. > > Please give me your thoughts on this. > > > Nine Basic Emotions. > -------------------- > Athbutham Wonder > Beebhalsam Disgust > Bhayaanakam Fear > Haasyam Ridicule > Karunam Pathos > Rowdram Wrath > Shaantham Peace > Shringaaram Amour > Veeram Valour > > Also The website > > http://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htm > > Give the following Information. > > According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted > till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak > of Rasa as nine in number > > NavaRasa > RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR > Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green > Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White > Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey > Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red > Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange > Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black > Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue > Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow > Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White > > > A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says: > > Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyam > hanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhe > bhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãntham > param pãthunah > > Meaning: > " He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita; > In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow; > In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; In > Hasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazes > upon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as he > sees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us ! " > > > > Warm Regards > > S. Prabhakaran > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Dear All, I am somehow, in this moment between waking and sleep, more partial to the earlier configuration of *eight* sthaayibhaava-s and corresponding *eight* rasa-s (into which such emotions are transmuted). This allows us to bring in the chara karakas, perhaps. I won't elaborate now, but then the Ekarasa - which I think is truly what you are getting at, is it not Sarbani? - might be none other than the ishta devata. This satisfies me. . . though I don't reckon I could " prove " it right now or anytime soon! Sincerely, Jesse In varahamihira , " Korengai " <jiabbot-lists@s...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay P., Sarbani et al., > > OK, but where does the Ekarasa fit in here then? > > Ekarasa is a pan-Indic Sahajiya mystical term that goes quite a ways > back (much further than the largely misconstrued visionaries some > conservatives reductively dub " imitationists " ...) Could there be a > correlate in Jyotish considering that this word -- along with > clusters of wordplay around the term _rasa_ generally relevant to > the one taste -- is to be found everywhere in both kaavya and the > visionary literature? > > I am sleepy and so am just musing. But rasa is a favorite topic for > me. Abhinavagupta, of course, has a lot to say about rasa, the > sthayibhavas, and related concerns. (Wonder if *he* wrote anything > on jyotish...) I wrote a fairly speculative paper for my Skt. class > in grad school on the kaavya of the Subhaas.itaratnakos.a and the > role of rasa there. It is a love of mine I have not kindled in some > time (which, like my crippled Sanskrit, will soon demand to be > reborn.) > > Best, > > Jesse Abbot > > varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so > can > > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very > much > > so...I would like to know what other members think of this... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > sanjayp@s... [sanjayp@s...] > > Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AM > > varahamihira > > |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > || Om Namah Shivaya || > > > > Dear Learned Members, > > Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a > > human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa > is > > the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and > Moon, > > The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes > sense. > > > > Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these > > Nine Expressions?. > > > > Please give me your thoughts on this. > > > > > > Nine Basic Emotions. > > -------------------- > > Athbutham Wonder > > Beebhalsam Disgust > > Bhayaanakam Fear > > Haasyam Ridicule > > Karunam Pathos > > Rowdram Wrath > > Shaantham Peace > > Shringaaram Amour > > Veeram Valour > > > > Also The website > > > > http://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htm > > > > Give the following Information. > > > > According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted > > till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to > speak > > of Rasa as nine in number > > > > NavaRasa > > RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR > > Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green > > Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White > > Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey > > Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red > > Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange > > Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black > > Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue > > Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow > > Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White > > > > > > A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says: > > > > Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyam > > hanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam > shuurppanakhãmukhe > > bhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane > sãntham > > param pãthunah > > > > Meaning: > > " He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with > Sita; > > In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th > crow; > > In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; > In > > Hasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he > gazes > > upon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta > as he > > sees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us ! " > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > S. Prabhakaran > > > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > http://www.varahamihira > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya|Dear Sanjay P Ji, I can not agree with the Dharmamsha or Navamsha with Nava rasas but these Nava Rasas can be attributed to 9 planetary characters. Adbhuta : Surya Karuna : Chandra, Veera : Kuja, Hasya : Budha, Shanta : Guru, Shringara : Shukra, Raudra : Shani, Bhayanaka : Rahu and Bhibhatsa : Ketu. Others may have their own opinions. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Sanjay,We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, isneither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so canthe soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very muchso...I would like to know what other members think of this...Best regards,Sarbanisanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra|| Om Gurave Namah |||| Om Namah Shivaya ||Dear Learned Members,Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense.Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these Nine Expressions?.Please give me your thoughts on this.Nine Basic Emotions.--------------------Athbutham WonderBeebhalsam DisgustBhayaanakam FearHaasyam RidiculeKarunam PathosRowdram WrathShaantham PeaceShringaaram AmourVeeram ValourAlso The websitehttp://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htmGive the following Information.According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak of Rasa as nine in numberNavaRasa RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says:Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyamhanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhebhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãnthamparam pãthunahMeaning:"He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita;In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow;In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; InHasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazesupon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as hesees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us !"Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranOm Tat Sat|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Sarbani, Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannot create the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the Sun rays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru different phases and highlights one them like a Prism. So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon. Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa and Sun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we have Saptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Om Tat Sat http://www.asitis.com/13/34.html yatha prakasayaty ekah krtsnam lokam imam ravih ksetram ksetri tatha krtsnam prakasayati bharata SYNONYMS yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole; lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; ksetri--the soul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- illuminates; bharata--O son of Bharata. TRANSLATION O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so does the living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire body by consciousness. varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so can > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this... > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah || Respected Ramadas ji, Yes, I did think about assigning the nine planets to nine rasas. But then latter I also wanted to know the corresponding Bhava's and the division. For example we have Mars as kaaraka for siblings and also 3rd bhava for siblings and then we have D3 for it particularly. So, I was attempting find the corresponding houses in Navamsa. I was trying to Limit it sequencially from 1 to 9 Because, I think in Jaimini Sutram or Crux of Vedic AStrology, Gurudev Sanjayji has mentioned a small dictum like if Mercury is in 10th house in Navamsa it's 'like' Saturn in Lagna of D9. The reason being after 9th house if there Planets placed. Then assign planets in weekday order. This is only after the 9th house. So I thought that 'First nine houses are special in Navamsa'. Thank you for valuable opinion, Hopefully, I have made my thought clear. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Om Tat Sat varahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > > ` nmae naray[ay, > om namo näräyaëäya| > Dear Sanjay P Ji, > I can not agree with the Dharmamsha or Navamsha with Nava rasas but these Nava Rasas can be attributed to 9 planetary characters. > Adbhuta : Surya > Karuna : Chandra, > Veera : Kuja, > Hasya : Budha, > Shanta : Guru, > Shringara : Shukra, > Raudra : Shani, > Bhayanaka : Rahu and > Bhibhatsa : Ketu. > Others may have their own opinions. > With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, > Ramadas Rao. > Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so can > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this... > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > sanjayp@s... [sanjayp@s...] > Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > || Om Namah Shivaya || > > Dear Learned Members, > Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a > human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is > the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, > The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense. > > Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these > Nine Expressions?. > > Please give me your thoughts on this. > > > Nine Basic Emotions. > -------------------- > Athbutham Wonder > Beebhalsam Disgust > Bhayaanakam Fear > Haasyam Ridicule > Karunam Pathos > Rowdram Wrath > Shaantham Peace > Shringaaram Amour > Veeram Valour > > Also The website > > http://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htm > > Give the following Information. > > According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted > till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak > of Rasa as nine in number > > NavaRasa > RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR > Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green > Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White > Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey > Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red > Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange > Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black > Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue > Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow > Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White > > > A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says: > > Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyam > hanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhe > bhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãntham > param pãthunah > > Meaning: > " He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita; > In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow; > In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; In > Hasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazes > upon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as he > sees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us ! " > > > > Warm Regards > > S. Prabhakaran > > Om Tat Sat > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya|Dear Sanjay P Ji, Thanks for your explanation but then how you will allot the Nava rasas in Navamsha ? With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.sanjayp wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Respected Ramadas ji,Yes, I did think about assigning the nine planets to nine rasas. But then latter I also wanted to know the corresponding Bhava's and the division.For example we have Mars as kaaraka for siblings and also 3rd bhava for siblings and then we have D3 for it particularly.So, I was attempting find the corresponding houses in Navamsa. I was trying to Limit it sequencially from 1 to 9 Because, I think in Jaimini Sutram or Crux of Vedic AStrology, Gurudev Sanjayji has mentioned a small dictum like if Mercury is in 10th house in Navamsa it's 'like' Saturn in Lagna of D9. The reason being after 9th house if there Planets placed. Then assign planets in weekday order. This is only after the 9th house.So I thought that 'First nine houses are special in Navamsa'.Thank you for valuable opinion,Hopefully, I have made my thought clear.Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranOm Tat Satvarahamihira , Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> > ` nmae naray[ay,> om namo näräyaëäya|> Dear Sanjay P Ji,> I can not agree with the Dharmamsha or Navamsha with Nava rasas but these Nava Rasas can be attributed to 9 planetary characters.> Adbhuta : Surya> Karuna : Chandra,> Veera : Kuja,> Hasya : Budha,> Shanta : Guru,> Shringara : Shukra,> Raudra : Shani,> Bhayanaka : Rahu and > Bhibhatsa : Ketu.> Others may have their own opinions.> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,> Ramadas Rao.> Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:> Dear Sanjay,> > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is> neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so can> the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much> so...I would like to know what other members think of this...> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> > > sanjayp@s... [sanjayp@s...] > Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AM> varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> || Om Namah Shivaya ||> > Dear Learned Members,> Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a > human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is > the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, > The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense.> > Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these > Nine Expressions?.> > Please give me your thoughts on this.> > > Nine Basic Emotions.> --------------------> Athbutham Wonder> Beebhalsam Disgust> Bhayaanakam Fear> Haasyam Ridicule> Karunam Pathos> Rowdram Wrath> Shaantham Peace> Shringaaram Amour> Veeram Valour> > Also The website> > http://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htm> > Give the following Information.> > According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted > till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak > of Rasa as nine in number> > NavaRasa > RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR > Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green > Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White > Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey > Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red > Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange > Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black > Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue > Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow > Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White > > > A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says:> > Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyam> hanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhe> bhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãntham> param pãthunah> > Meaning:> "He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita;> In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow;> In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; In> Hasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazes> upon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as he> sees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us !"> > > > Warm Regards> > S. Prabhakaran> > Om Tat Sat> > > > > |Om Tat Sat|> http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Dear Sarabani,Sanjay; One could associate them with the 9 planets who lord over the navamsha rasi, taking natural zodiac position. We would , obviously, have to take Rahu and Ketu ownership of Rasis. The rasas like Disgust and fear could be allotted to Saturn and Rahu as lord of Capricorn and Aquarius. However, this would be superfluous as the emotions are already attributed to Planets, and we would just be stating the obvious. Chandrashekhar. Sarbani Sarkar wrote: Dear Sanjay, We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so can the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much so...I would like to know what other members think of this... Best regards, Sarbani sanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:08 AM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra || Om Gurave Namah || || Om Namah Shivaya || Dear Learned Members, Prose and Poetry literature speaks of Nine basic emotions in a human. I was think maybe this is related to Navamsa?. As Navamsa is the result of Nakshatra chakra and Bhava Chakra also of Sun and Moon, The nine expressions as results of Soul/Mind interaction makes sense. Can the Bhavas from first to 9th in D9 be attempted to match these Nine Expressions?. Please give me your thoughts on this. Nine Basic Emotions. -------------------- Athbutham Wonder Beebhalsam Disgust Bhayaanakam Fear Haasyam Ridicule Karunam Pathos Rowdram Wrath Shaantham Peace Shringaaram Amour Veeram Valour Also The website http://www.nadanam.com/general/g_navarasa.htm Give the following Information. According to Bharata , there are 8 rasas and this was accepted till ,Uddhata ,the first commentator on Natya Shastra began to speak of Rasa as nine in number NavaRasa RASA STHAYI BHAVA MEANING COLOUR Shringar(Erotic) Rati Delight Pale Light Green Hasya (Humorous) Hasa Laughter White Karuna (Pathetic) Shoka Sorrow Grey Raudra (Terrible) Krodh Anger Red Veera (Heroic) Utsaha Heroism Pale Orange Bhayanaka (Fearful) Bhaya ) Fear Black Bibhatsa (Odious) Jugupsa Disgust Blue Adbhuta (Wonderous) Vismaya Wonder Yellow Shanta (Peaceful) Calm Peace White A shloka describing all the nine Rasas says: Shringãram kshithinandiniiviharane viiram dhanurbhanjane Kãrunyam hanumantham adbhutharasam sindhau girisdhãpane Hãsyam shuurppanakhãmukhe bhayamakhe biibhatsamanyãmukhe Raudram rãvanamarddane munijane sãntham param pãthunah Meaning: "He whose body is in the sentiment of Shringara as he moves with Sita; In Vira, as he breaks the mighty bow; In Karuna, as he protects th crow; In Adhbuta, as he looks at the bridge of stones across the ocean; In Hasya, as he watches Surpanakha; In Bhayanaka and Bibhatsa, as he gazes upon others, except Sita; In Raudra, as he kills Ravana; In Shanta as he sees the Sages; May, He, Lord Rama, protect us !" Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Om Tat Sat |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Dear Sanjay, The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it gets refracted, the individual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas have a particular colour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If that colour is strong in us, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be white or colourless is the most desirable, as it implies our aham is dissolved, and we are that much closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu AK are considered to be spiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and many spiritual personas like Srila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna Paramhansa have Rahu as AK. The jivatma is a spark of the Paramatma, that spark which created us, and in you Sanjay that spark has taken on the hue of red, as your AK is Mars. It is that spark that has caused you creation and brought you to this earth. The Moon represents the Mana; that is the playground of the 'aham', the hotbed of thoughts and emotions. The Moon rules emotions. Emotions and are all about jala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on the basis of equating 9 with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, can we see it from the Moon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I don't know... Best regards, Sarbani sanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Sarbani, Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannot create the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the Sun rays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru different phases and highlights one them like a Prism. So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon. Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa and Sun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we have Saptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Om Tat Sat http://www.asitis.com/13/34.html yatha prakasayaty ekah krtsnam lokam imam ravih ksetram ksetri tatha krtsnam prakasayati bharata SYNONYMS yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole; lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; ksetri--the soul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- illuminates; bharata--O son of Bharata. TRANSLATION O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so does the living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire body by consciousness. varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...so can > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this... > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Dear Sarbani, What colour do u assign to people with Sun AK - white or transparent? How do you judge that a person with Sun AK has a strong " aham " or not? regards, nitish --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it > gets refracted, the > individual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas > have a particular > colour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If > that colour is strong in > us, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be > white or colourless is > the most desirable, as it implies our aham is > dissolved, and we are that > much closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu > AK are considered to be > spiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and many > spiritual personas like > Srila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna Paramhansa have > Rahu as AK. The jivatma is > a spark of the Paramatma, that spark which created > us, and in you Sanjay > that spark has taken on the hue of red, as your AK > is Mars. It is that spark > that has caused you creation and brought you to this > earth. The Moon > represents the Mana; that is the playground of the > 'aham', the hotbed of > thoughts and emotions. The Moon rules emotions. > Emotions and are all about > jala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on > the basis of equating 9 > with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, > can we see it from the > Moon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I > don't know... > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > sanjayp > [sanjayp] > Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha > Chakra > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Sarbani, > Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not > mean that it cannot > create the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 > colours are in the Sun > rays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon > just passes thru different > phases and highlights one them like a Prism. > So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun > and moon. > Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where > both Nakshtramsa and > Sun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. > > Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and > we have > Saptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings. > > Warm Regards > S. Prabhakaran > Om Tat Sat > > http://www.asitis.com/13/34.html > > yatha prakasayaty ekah > krtsnam lokam imam ravih > ksetram ksetri tatha krtsnam > prakasayati bharata > > SYNONYMS > > yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; > krtsnam--the whole; > lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; > ksetram--this body; ksetri--the > soul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- > illuminates; bharata--O > son of Bharata. > TRANSLATION > > O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all > this universe, so does > the living entity, one within the body, illuminate > the entire body by > consciousness. > > > > > varahamihira , " Sarbani > Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any > emotion, colour, is > > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried > or flooded...so > can > > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The > Moon, yes...very much > > so...I would like to know what other members think > of this... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA Dear Sarbani ji, I may be wrong, But see here the nava rasas are to be seen with diffeent meaning. The rasa as per katapayadi vargas goes to the sixth houe or the sixth division. While the bhava as per katapayadi varga is assigned ninth house or nineth division. So here rasas are tobe seen as bhavas. The good interepration is given in the Bhakti Rasmatra Sindhu by Shri Srila Rupa Gpswami. Nava rasas are dealt in the Natya shastra. In jyotisha there are shad rasas which are also in the Ayurveda. But in case of creation parashara talks about sapta rasas. I think the learned persons like you and of course Sanjayji can throw some light on this vital aspect. Yours Dewavrat Buit Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Sanjay,The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it gets refracted, theindividual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas have a particularcolour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If that colour is strong inus, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be white or colourless isthe most desirable, as it implies our aham is dissolved, and we are thatmuch closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu AK are considered to bespiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and many spiritual personas likeSrila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna Paramhansa have Rahu as AK. The jivatma isa spark of the Paramatma, that spark which created us, and in you Sanjaythat spark has taken on the hue of red, as your AK is Mars. It is that sparkthat has caused you creation and brought you to this earth. The Moonrepresents the Mana; that is the playground of the 'aham', the hotbed ofthoughts and emotions. The Moon rules emotions. Emotions and are all aboutjala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on the basis of equating 9with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, can we see it from theMoon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I don't know...Best regards,Sarbani sanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sarbani,Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannotcreate the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the Sunrays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru differentphases and highlights one them like a Prism.So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon.Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa andSun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we haveSaptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings.Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranOm Tat Sathttp://www.asitis.com/13/34.htmlyatha prakasayaty ekahkrtsnam lokam imam ravihksetram ksetri tatha krtsnamprakasayati bharataSYNONYMS yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole;lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; ksetri--thesoul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- illuminates; bharata--Oson of Bharata. TRANSLATION O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so doesthe living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire body byconsciousness. --- In varahamihira , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>wrote:> Dear Sanjay,> > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...socan> the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this...> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 ::Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Devavrata The original rasas are shadrasa i.e. 6 rasa. The seventh ruled by Mercury is Misra or mixed. With best regards, Sanjay Rath Maling address: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India; Tel: 91.6752.226269; webpages: http://srath.com -------------------------------- dewavrat buit [dewavrat2000] Friday, February 20, 2004 4:45 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA Dear Sarbani ji, I may be wrong, But see here the nava rasas are to be seen with diffeent meaning. The rasa as per katapayadi vargas goes to the sixth houe or the sixth division. While the bhava as per katapayadi varga is assigned ninth house or nineth division. So here rasas are tobe seen as bhavas. The good interepration is given in the Bhakti Rasmatra Sindhu by Shri Srila Rupa Gpswami. Nava rasas are dealt in the Natya shastra. In jyotisha there are shad rasas which are also in the Ayurveda. But in case of creation parashara talks about sapta rasas. I think the learned persons like you and of course Sanjayji can throw some light on this vital aspect. Yours Dewavrat Buit Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Sanjay,The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it gets refracted, theindividual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas have a particularcolour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If that colour is strong inus, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be white or colourless isthe most desirable, as it implies our aham is dissolved, and we are thatmuch closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu AK are considered to bespiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and many spiritual personas likeSrila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna Paramhansa have Rahu as AK. The jivatma isa spark of the Paramatma, that spark which created us, and in you Sanjaythat spark has taken on the hue of red, as your AK is Mars. It is that sparkthat has caused you creation and brought you to this earth. The Moonrepresents the Mana; that is the playground of the 'aham', the hotbed ofthoughts and emotions. The Moon rules emotions. Emotions and are all aboutjala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on the basis of equating 9with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, can we see it from theMoon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I don't know...Best regards,Sarbani sanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sarbani,Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannotcreate the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the Sunrays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru differentphases and highlights one them like a Prism.So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon.Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa andSun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we haveSaptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings.Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranOm Tat Sathttp://www.asitis.com/13/34.htmlyatha prakasayaty ekahkrtsnam lokam imam ravihksetram ksetri tatha krtsnamprakasayati bharataSYNONYMS yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole;lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; ksetri--thesoul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- illuminates; bharata--Oson of Bharata. TRANSLATION O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so doesthe living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire body byconsciousness. varahamihira , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>wrote:> Dear Sanjay,> > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...socan> the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this...> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 ::Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Nitish Look for affliction to the sun..why do we look for people with Sun as AK having a strong aham? Because among the lights, the sun is the brightest and the people with the sun as AK bask intheir own glory as their own light is bright enough to delude them into this untruth. They fail to grasp the light of the paramatama. With best regards, Sanjay Rath Maling address: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India; Tel: 91.6752.226269; webpages: http://srath.com -------------------------------- Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] Friday, February 20, 2004 12:13 PM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra Dear Sarbani, What colour do u assign to people with Sun AK - white or transparent? How do you judge that a person with Sun AK has a strong " aham " or not? regards, nitish --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it gets refracted, the > individual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas have a particular > colour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If that colour is > strong in us, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be white or > colourless is the most desirable, as it implies our aham is dissolved, > and we are that much closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu > AK are considered to be spiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and > many spiritual personas like Srila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna > Paramhansa have Rahu as AK. The jivatma is a spark of the Paramatma, > that spark which created us, and in you Sanjay that spark has taken on > the hue of red, as your AK is Mars. It is that spark that has caused > you creation and brought you to this earth. The Moon represents the > Mana; that is the playground of the 'aham', the hotbed of thoughts and > emotions. The Moon rules emotions. > Emotions and are all about > jala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on the basis of > equating 9 with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, can we > see it from the Moon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I > don't know... > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > sanjayp > [sanjayp] > Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Sarbani, > Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannot > create the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the > Sun rays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru > different phases and highlights one them like a Prism. > So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon. > Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa and > Sun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. > > Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we have > Saptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings. > > Warm Regards > S. Prabhakaran > Om Tat Sat > > http://www.asitis.com/13/34.html > > yatha prakasayaty ekah > krtsnam lokam imam ravih > ksetram ksetri tatha krtsnam > prakasayati bharata > > SYNONYMS > > yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole; > lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; > ksetri--the soul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- > illuminates; bharata--O son of Bharata. > TRANSLATION > > O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so > does the living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire > body by consciousness. > > > > > varahamihira , " Sarbani > Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> > wrote: > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any > emotion, colour, is > > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried > or flooded...so > can > > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The > Moon, yes...very much > > so...I would like to know what other members think > of this... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2004 Report Share Posted February 21, 2004 Dear Devavrata, I am fully aware that Nava Rasas are a part of the Natya Shastras; but I have no clue as to how to see it from the horoscope. So I was trying to think along with Sanjay Prabhakaran. I think Navamsha is involved. I feel it is related to the Nakshatras; 9 padas make a bhava. Nakshatras rule the mind. So I would think along the lines of Moon, the Nakshatras, the tithis possibly? Best regards, Sarbani dewavrat buit [dewavrat2000] Friday, February 20, 2004 4:45 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA Dear Sarbani ji, I may be wrong, But see here the nava rasas are to be seen with diffeent meaning. The rasa as per katapayadi vargas goes to the sixth houe or the sixth division. While the bhava as per katapayadi varga is assigned ninth house or nineth division. So here rasas are tobe seen as bhavas. The good interepration is given in the Bhakti Rasmatra Sindhu by Shri Srila Rupa Gpswami. Nava rasas are dealt in the Natya shastra. In jyotisha there are shad rasas which are also in the Ayurveda. But in case of creation parashara talks about sapta rasas. I think the learned persons like you and of course Sanjayji can throw some light on this vital aspect. Yours Dewavrat Buit Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Sanjay,The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it gets refracted, theindividual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas have a particularcolour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If that colour is strong inus, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be white or colourless isthe most desirable, as it implies our aham is dissolved, and we are thatmuch closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu AK are considered to bespiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and many spiritual personas likeSrila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna Paramhansa have Rahu as AK. The jivatma isa spark of the Paramatma, that spark which created us, and in you Sanjaythat spark has taken on the hue of red, as your AK is Mars. It is that sparkthat has caused you creation and brought you to this earth. The Moonrepresents the Mana; that is the playground of the 'aham', the hotbed ofthoughts and emotions. The Moon rules emotions. Emotions and are all aboutjala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on the basis of equating 9with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, can we see it from theMoon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I don't know...Best regards,Sarbani sanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sarbani,Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannotcreate the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the Sunrays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru differentphases and highlights one them like a Prism.So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon.Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa andSun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we haveSaptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings.Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranOm Tat Sathttp://www.asitis.com/13/34.htmlyatha prakasayaty ekahkrtsnam lokam imam ravihksetram ksetri tatha krtsnamprakasayati bharataSYNONYMS yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole;lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; ksetri--thesoul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- illuminates; bharata--Oson of Bharata. TRANSLATION O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so doesthe living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire body byconsciousness. varahamihira , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>wrote:> Dear Sanjay,> > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...socan> the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this...> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA Dear Sarbaniji, You are correct. But please see the Nava Rasas are actually the secondary bhavas. The first sthayi bhavas are Five primary i.e. (1)Santa, (2) Dasya, (3)Sakhya, (4) Vatsalya, and (5) Madhura, and seven secondary, i.e. (6)Hasya, (7) Karuna, (8) Raudra, (9) Vira, (10) Bhayankara, (11)Vibhatsa, and (12) Adbhuta. So I think these rasas are actually in 12 numbers.. In natya shashtra Bharat muni has dealt in with the nava rasas only as the form of expressions. Now if we think the role of these rasas in creation I think the seven out of the above twelve plays an important role. I think the twelve Navamashas possibly rules these bhavas and probably if we apply it to the tithis it may go to the 12th part of the tithi i.e. jyotirlinga. I have applied it to some of the Adhana Charts where it fits very nicely. Going further these bhavas must have some relation to the Saptamasa also. As there are total 63 further sub bhavas. This is very interesting and will drfinitely need a good research to go further. The ancient texts and the divine knowledge of the persons like you and Sanjayji will definitely throw some light on these vital aspects. Thank you Yours Dewavrat BuitSarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Devavrata, I am fully aware that Nava Rasas are a part of the Natya Shastras; but I have no clue as to how to see it from the horoscope. So I was trying to think along with Sanjay Prabhakaran. I think Navamsha is involved. I feel it is related to the Nakshatras; 9 padas make a bhava. Nakshatras rule the mind. So I would think along the lines of Moon, the Nakshatras, the tithis possibly? Best regards, Sarbani dewavrat buit [dewavrat2000] Friday, February 20, 2004 4:45 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA Dear Sarbani ji, I may be wrong, But see here the nava rasas are to be seen with diffeent meaning. The rasa as per katapayadi vargas goes to the sixth houe or the sixth division. While the bhava as per katapayadi varga is assigned ninth house or nineth division. So here rasas are tobe seen as bhavas. The good interepration is given in the Bhakti Rasmatra Sindhu by Shri Srila Rupa Gpswami. Nava rasas are dealt in the Natya shastra. In jyotisha there are shad rasas which are also in the Ayurveda. But in case of creation parashara talks about sapta rasas. I think the learned persons like you and of course Sanjayji can throw some light on this vital aspect. Yours Dewavrat Buit Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Sanjay,The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it gets refracted, theindividual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas have a particularcolour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If that colour is strong inus, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be white or colourless isthe most desirable, as it implies our aham is dissolved, and we are thatmuch closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu AK are considered to bespiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and many spiritual personas likeSrila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna Paramhansa have Rahu as AK. The jivatma isa spark of the Paramatma, that spark which created us, and in you Sanjaythat spark has taken on the hue of red, as your AK is Mars. It is that sparkthat has caused you creation and brought you to this earth. The Moonrepresents the Mana; that is the playground of the 'aham', the hotbed ofthoughts and emotions. The Moon rules emotions. Emotions and are all aboutjala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on the basis of equating 9with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, can we see it from theMoon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I don't know...Best regards,Sarbani sanjayp [sanjayp] Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sarbani,Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannotcreate the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the Sunrays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru differentphases and highlights one them like a Prism.So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon.Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa andSun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we haveSaptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings.Warm RegardsS. PrabhakaranOm Tat Sathttp://www.asitis.com/13/34.htmlyatha prakasayaty ekahkrtsnam lokam imam ravihksetram ksetri tatha krtsnamprakasayati bharataSYNONYMS yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole;lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; ksetri--thesoul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- illuminates; bharata--Oson of Bharata. TRANSLATION O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so doesthe living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire body byconsciousness. --- In varahamihira , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>wrote:> Dear Sanjay,> > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any emotion, colour, is > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried or flooded...socan> the soul be associated with the navarasas? The Moon, yes...very much > so...I would like to know what other members think of this...> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 Dear Sanjayji Swami Vivekananda has sun as AK, didn't he grasp the light of paramatma? in one of your articles, you said Lord Krishna has sun as AK. regards partha varahamihira , <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > > ::Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: > Dear Nitish > Look for affliction to the sun..why do we look for people with Sun as AK > having a strong aham? Because among the lights, the sun is the brightest and > the people with the sun as AK bask intheir own glory as their own light is > bright enough to delude them into this untruth. They fail to grasp the light > of the paramatama. > With best regards, > Sanjay Rath > > Maling address: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India; Tel: > 91.6752.226269; webpages: http://srath.com > -------------------------------- > > > > Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] > Friday, February 20, 2004 12:13 PM > varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra > > Dear Sarbani, > What colour do u assign to people with Sun AK - white or transparent? How > do you judge that a person with Sun AK has a strong " aham " or not? > regards, > nitish > --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > The Sun is the sarvatma, the white light. When it gets refracted, the > > individual jivatmas are born. Each of these jivatmas have a particular > > colour, which is the colour of our Atma Karaka. If that colour is > > strong in us, it implies that we have a strong 'aham'. To be white or > > colourless is the most desirable, as it implies our aham is dissolved, > > and we are that much closer/one to God. That is why people with Rahu > > AK are considered to be spiritual, as black absorbs all colours, and > > many spiritual personas like Srila Prabhupada and Ramakrishna > > Paramhansa have Rahu as AK. The jivatma is a spark of the Paramatma, > > that spark which created us, and in you Sanjay that spark has taken on > > the hue of red, as your AK is Mars. It is that spark that has caused > > you creation and brought you to this earth. The Moon represents the > > Mana; that is the playground of the 'aham', the hotbed of thoughts and > > emotions. The Moon rules emotions. > > Emotions and are all about > > jala tatva. I understand you if you chose Navamsa on the basis of > > equating 9 with it, but not because of the Sun. For example, can we > > see it from the Moon in the Navamsha by examining the 9 planets? I > > don't know... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > sanjayp@s... > > [sanjayp@s...] > > Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:02 PM > > varahamihira > > Re: |Sri Varaha| Navarasa and the Bha Chakra > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Sarbani, > > Yes, The soul is indestructible. But that may not mean that it cannot > > create the Navarasa. What I mean is just like the 7 colours are in the > > Sun rays. All the emotions origin is in Sun, The moon just passes thru > > different phases and highlights one them like a Prism. > > So I was thinking a division which takes this Sun and moon. > > Interaction I thought Navamsa is such a one where both Nakshtramsa and > > Sun-Zodiac is taken in consideration. > > > > Something like the 7 Oceans and taste of Water and we have > > Saptamsa/D7 for creation of physical beings. > > > > Warm Regards > > S. Prabhakaran > > Om Tat Sat > > > > http://www.asitis.com/13/34.html > > > > yatha prakasayaty ekah > > krtsnam lokam imam ravih > > ksetram ksetri tatha krtsnam > > prakasayati bharata > > > > SYNONYMS > > > > yatha--as; prakasayati--illuminates; ekah--one; krtsnam--the whole; > > lokam--universe; imam--this; ravih--the sun; ksetram--this body; > > ksetri--the soul; tatha--similarly; krtsnam--all; prakasayati-- > > illuminates; bharata--O son of Bharata. > > TRANSLATION > > > > O son of Bharata, as the sun alone illuminates all this universe, so > > does the living entity, one within the body, illuminate the entire > > body by consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira , " Sarbani > > Sarkar " <sarbani@s...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > We have learned that the soul is devoid of any > > emotion, colour, is > > > neither born nor dies, it cannot be burned, dried > > or flooded...so > > can > > > the soul be associated with the navarasas? The > > Moon, yes...very much > > > so...I would like to know what other members think > > of this... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > http://www.varahamihira > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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