Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Dear Partha, Unfortunately, I have no time for a debate. But please feel free to add other views. But this is just to clarify that I did not attribute addictions to Shiva. I attributed addictions to Saturn or Rahu afflicting Moon without Jupiter in a quadrant or trine from Moon in D-16. Moon or the afflicting planet being in Shiva's amsa, to me, shows a tamasik addiction of the mind. Brahma would've shown rajasik addictions. Smoking is a tamasik addiction. Music, movies etc would've been, for example, rajasik. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Narasimha and Hari > > There might be a few points in Narasimha's analysis that i would like > to debate upon. > > First of all Shiva was the one who drank poison for the world, so i > do not understand how Shiva can be attributed for this addiction. > Shodasamsa being in mental plane, can show the attitude of a person > towards " sukha " . There might be people like Chaitanya mahaprabhu who > view Sukha as " SHAVA/SHIVA " , Weaknesses/arishta can be better seen > from d-30,d-6 etc, d-16 is a harmonic for 4th house. > And isn't 4th the cure for illnesses, isnot the fourth lord in d- 30 > cure for the weaknesses, 4th being 11th from 6th can terminate > illnesses and bring rejuvenation. > best wishes > partha > > > varahamihira , Hari M <onlyhari> wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Namaste Narasimha, > > > > That was brilliant. I wanted to check your principles out > immediately on a chart and here is what I found: > > > > +--------------+ > > |Sun Mer | |AL |Moo SatR | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | A3 | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |HL | |Asc Mar | > > | | |GL Glk | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | Shodasamsa | | > > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Jup Rah | D-16 | | > > |Ket | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > |Mnd |Ven | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > | | | | | > > +--------------+ > > > > Moon is indeed in the shodasamsa ruled by Shiva and is conjoined > Saturn. Moreover they conjoin in Gemini (an airy sign) and also the > 2nd from AL showing some pleasure relating to the face. Finally, this > sign is aspected by Rahu indicating that the pleasure is difficult to > vanquish. The Dhishakti is in the grip of Rahu and Ketu (karaka for > smoke) and given a dose of agni tatva from Mars in Cn lagna. Jupiter > is also in the debilitation rasi and this indicates that the > personified intelligence may perceive smoking as a means to crank up > the brain activity... > > > > I am curious on one point: I took a look at the shodasamsa deity > ruling Sa and noticed the lord is Vishnu. What does this mean? Does > this mean that when the person smokes, his thoughts are mostly satvic? > > > > Forgive me for any mistakes... > > > > regards > > Hari > > pvr108 <pvr@c...> wrote: > > Namaste learned people, > > > > Here are a few comments based on my limited experience: > > > > It is my feeling that D-16 is an important chart in seeing any > > addictions. Addictions are basically things that give one the sense > > of pleasure. They being weaknesses, D-30 is also apt. > > > > Look for malefics afflicting Moon (mind) in D-16. If Moon or the > > afflicting malefic is in a shodasamsa ruled by Shiva, it can give > > inclination towards a tamasik pleasure. Moon should be afflicted by > > Saturn or Rahu. Jupiter (intelligence) should not be in an quadrant > > or trine from Moon or otherwise too weak to alleviate and help Moon. > > > > These are the criteria that I can think of. > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Pranaams Partha and Sanajay, Is this how we should use the amsas, i.e. look at which amsa contains " many planets " and pronounce the result? Is it a matter of simple democracy between all planets? Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had only one planet in Shiva's shodasamsa. Should we say that he did not have an attitude towards renunciation because there were not " many planets " in Shiva's amsa? Shouldn't the result of a planet being in Shiva's amsa or Vishnu's amsa etc depend on whether the planet is benefic or malefic, what houses it owns and what houses it occupies? Will Jupiter in Shiva's amsa protecting Moon give the same result as Rahu in Shiva's amsa afflicting Moon? All these are very fundamental issues that apply to other divisional charts too. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Hari > > Good points. > But this is from an old mail of Pt.Rath(From my memory ofcourse, i > dont store archives on my desktop), that Chaitanya had many planets > in Shiva Shodasamsa, showing an attitude of renunciation towards > Sukha. > He has Jupiter afflicted by Rahu/ketu-if you can call it as an > afflcition . Shodasamsa can show many things, that we cannot > otherwise understand. > In Swami Vivekanada's chart, there are five planets in 7th house in d- > 16, viz saturn-venus-mars-rahu-ketu. What does it indicate. > > Jupiter is in 6th house in Shiva, and Moon is in 9th house in shiva > amsa, what can it indicate. > Moon's affliction can be seen in rasi, dreshkana, bhamsa, trimsamsa > to see the kind of weaknesses such as smoking etc. Why Shodasamsa? > best wishes > partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Partha, The Mahadeva or Shiva-Shodasamsa shows a destructive attitude towards luxuries. You learnt this in Hyderabad 2002. Such people will once they have attained a luxury, start complaining about how they would be better off without the same luxury, and keep talking of replacements and etc. In a sense you could infer that this was a renunciate attitude, but it lasts until they have renounced tehe luxury in favor for a new one... which they again will complain about. Smoking is a weakness, but the acquiring of cigarettes is a luxury. A person who sells/distributes cigarettes, may be visible from the D- 16. The weakness leading to smoking is seen from the D-30 chart. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Visti. varahamihira , " pvr108 " <pvr@c...> wrote: > Pranaams Partha and Sanajay, > > Is this how we should use the amsas, i.e. look at which amsa > contains " many planets " and pronounce the result? Is it a matter of > simple democracy between all planets? > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had only one planet in Shiva's > shodasamsa. Should we say that he did not have an attitude towards > renunciation because there were not " many planets " in Shiva's amsa? > > Shouldn't the result of a planet being in Shiva's amsa or Vishnu's > amsa etc depend on whether the planet is benefic or malefic, what > houses it owns and what houses it occupies? > > Will Jupiter in Shiva's amsa protecting Moon give the same result as > Rahu in Shiva's amsa afflicting Moon? > > All these are very fundamental issues that apply to other divisional > charts too. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Dear Hari > > > > Good points. > > But this is from an old mail of Pt.Rath(From my memory ofcourse, i > > dont store archives on my desktop), that Chaitanya had many > planets > > in Shiva Shodasamsa, showing an attitude of renunciation towards > > Sukha. > > He has Jupiter afflicted by Rahu/ketu-if you can call it as an > > afflcition . Shodasamsa can show many things, that we cannot > > otherwise understand. > > In Swami Vivekanada's chart, there are five planets in 7th house > in d- > > 16, viz saturn-venus-mars-rahu-ketu. What does it indicate. > > > > Jupiter is in 6th house in Shiva, and Moon is in 9th house in > shiva > > amsa, what can it indicate. > > Moon's affliction can be seen in rasi, dreshkana, bhamsa, > trimsamsa > > to see the kind of weaknesses such as smoking etc. Why Shodasamsa? > > best wishes > > partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 ::Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya:: Dear Narasimha No, but that is the begining of the analysis. Just as we do for the shastyamsa where we see first where the planet it and get some insight and then go into the chart proper to see the details. Question is whether the man is satisfied or not and what are the resources he commands, what he uses is another thing. It is possible that a head of a big organisation will have a command over lots of resources, vehicles etc but he may not use all this personally. D16 is strange in a way and shows the extent to which you are mentally satisfied. so how would one judge this. With best regards, Sanjay Rath Maling address: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India; Tel: 91.6752.226269; webpages: http://srath.com -------------------------------- pvr108 [pvr] Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:43 PMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Re: smoking habit (to Partha) Pranaams Partha and Sanajay,Is this how we should use the amsas, i.e. look at which amsa contains "many planets" and pronounce the result? Is it a matter of simple democracy between all planets?Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had only one planet in Shiva's shodasamsa. Should we say that he did not have an attitude towards renunciation because there were not "many planets" in Shiva's amsa?Shouldn't the result of a planet being in Shiva's amsa or Vishnu's amsa etc depend on whether the planet is benefic or malefic, what houses it owns and what houses it occupies?Will Jupiter in Shiva's amsa protecting Moon give the same result as Rahu in Shiva's amsa afflicting Moon?All these are very fundamental issues that apply to other divisional charts too.May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha> Dear Hari> > Good points.> But this is from an old mail of Pt.Rath(From my memory ofcourse, i > dont store archives on my desktop), that Chaitanya had many planets > in Shiva Shodasamsa, showing an attitude of renunciation towards > Sukha.> He has Jupiter afflicted by Rahu/ketu-if you can call it as an > afflcition . Shodasamsa can show many things, that we cannot > otherwise understand.> In Swami Vivekanada's chart, there are five planets in 7th house in d-> 16, viz saturn-venus-mars-rahu-ketu. What does it indicate.> > Jupiter is in 6th house in Shiva, and Moon is in 9th house in shiva > amsa, what can it indicate.> Moon's affliction can be seen in rasi, dreshkana, bhamsa, trimsamsa > to see the kind of weaknesses such as smoking etc. Why Shodasamsa?> best wishes> partha|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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