smoking habit (to Visti)

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Dear Visti,

 

Thanks for the mail. I hope all of you are doing well at Puri.

 

> but the acquiring of cigarettes is a luxury. A

> person who sells/distributes cigarettes, may be visible from the D-

> 16. The weakness leading to smoking is seen from the D-30 chart. " .

 

If you say that D-16 only shows selling or distributing cigarettes,

I cannot agree at all.

 

D-16 is a chart at the mental level - the level of consciousness. It

shows the sense of comfort, happiness, sadness and pleasure that the

mind experiences in various matters.

 

If one smokes cigarettes, it may give one's mind a sense of pleasure

or happiness, albeit tamasik. That is clearly a D-16 thing.

 

Of course, there must be links with D-30 too, as it is a weakness,

but D-16 MUST show it too. Please look at the D-16 of some smokers.

 

Luxury is only one aspect of D-16. D-16 really is the chart of

mental happiness and sadness, satisfaction and dissatisfaction,

pleasure and pain. It is the chart that shows the direction of the

mind (manah gati). No wonder Parasara specially mentioned the

importance of D-60 and D-16 after mentioning the uses of all

divisions.

 

Regarding the amsas occupied by planets, I humbly suggest that more

research is needed. Looking at which amsa contains " many planets " as

Partha said is too simplisitc. The 4th lord being in Shiva's

shodasamsa, for example, is not the same as the 12th lord being in

Shiva's shodasamsa or the 8th lord being in Shiva's shodasamsa.

Especially, amsas occupied by various karakas of the division, I

find, are crucial.

 

We have to be able to understand the significance of the amsa

occupied by each planet (each house lord and each karaka). This

statement holds for all divisions and not just for shodasamsa.

 

I will be off the list for a while again.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> |Hare Rama Krishna|

> Dear Partha,

> The Mahadeva or Shiva-Shodasamsa shows a destructive attitude

towards

> luxuries. You learnt this in Hyderabad 2002. Such people will once

> they have attained a luxury, start complaining about how they

would

> be better off without the same luxury, and keep talking of

> replacements and etc. In a sense you could infer that this was a

> renunciate attitude, but it lasts until they have renounced tehe

> luxury in favor for a new one... which they again will complain

about.

>

> Smoking is a weakness, but the acquiring of cigarettes is a

luxury. A

> person who sells/distributes cigarettes, may be visible from the D-

> 16. The weakness leading to smoking is seen from the D-30 chart.

> Hope this helps.

> Best wishes, Visti.

>

> varahamihira , " pvr108 " <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > Pranaams Partha and Sanajay,

> >

> > Is this how we should use the amsas, i.e. look at which amsa

> > contains " many planets " and pronounce the result? Is it a matter

of

> > simple democracy between all planets?

> >

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had only one planet in Shiva's

> > shodasamsa. Should we say that he did not have an attitude

towards

> > renunciation because there were not " many planets " in Shiva's

amsa?

> >

> > Shouldn't the result of a planet being in Shiva's amsa or

Vishnu's

> > amsa etc depend on whether the planet is benefic or malefic,

what

> > houses it owns and what houses it occupies?

> >

> > Will Jupiter in Shiva's amsa protecting Moon give the same

result

> as

> > Rahu in Shiva's amsa afflicting Moon?

> >

> > All these are very fundamental issues that apply to other

> divisional

> > charts too.

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > > Dear Hari

> > >

> > > Good points.

> > > But this is from an old mail of Pt.Rath(From my memory

ofcourse,

> i

> > > dont store archives on my desktop), that Chaitanya had many

> > planets

> > > in Shiva Shodasamsa, showing an attitude of renunciation

towards

> > > Sukha.

> > > He has Jupiter afflicted by Rahu/ketu-if you can call it as an

> > > afflcition . Shodasamsa can show many things, that we cannot

> > > otherwise understand.

> > > In Swami Vivekanada's chart, there are five planets in 7th

house

> > in d-

> > > 16, viz saturn-venus-mars-rahu-ketu. What does it indicate.

> > >

> > > Jupiter is in 6th house in Shiva, and Moon is in 9th house in

> > shiva

> > > amsa, what can it indicate.

> > > Moon's affliction can be seen in rasi, dreshkana, bhamsa,

> > trimsamsa

> > > to see the kind of weaknesses such as smoking etc. Why

Shodasamsa?

> > > best wishes

> > > partha