Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Dear Narasimha I guess you are going off lists, but whenever you have time kindly go through this for your valuable comments. I tend to agree with you regarding satisfaction/disatisfaction part, the mental attitude. Visti, i am afraid, the logic of selling goods through shodasamsa looks bit odd, but you raised a importatnt point and i will ponder on it., Narasimha, the Shodasamsa chakra shows one's attitude towards " sukha " . The initial discussion was on weaknesses, and thus looking at shodasamsa chakra to find out the " habits " of a person is a bit puzzling from a logical standpoint, It is well known, that cigarretes, alcohol and drugs are " habituated " indulgences, which result in several weaknesses. You had earlier talked about Nakshatramsa(d-27) showing our " instincts " , but the actual outcome may be seen from the navamsa and or Rasi chakra. you had quoted example of a lady who was instinctively aggressive, but when it came to actual/physical manifestaiton she was more controlled. So my point is the harmonics/divisionals in mental(d-12-d-24), and subconscious(d-27-and above) might show the attitudes/feelings/perceptions etc for a person rather than the actual habit/indulgence/behaviour itself. There might be a person who might have a favourable attitude towards a particular sensory object, but due to " circumstances " , " control " might refrain himself from indulging in the same. Thus shodasamsa chakra might show the feelings/perception at a mental level towards the various objects of " sukha " such as vehicles/tvs/computers/and all that is " visible " to the naked eye. For nothing Shankara said, that this body is a devil incarnation. best wishes partha varahamihira , " pvr108 " <pvr@c...> wrote: > Dear Visti, > > Thanks for the mail. I hope all of you are doing well at Puri. > > > but the acquiring of cigarettes is a luxury. A > > person who sells/distributes cigarettes, may be visible from the D- > > 16. The weakness leading to smoking is seen from the D-30 chart. " . > > If you say that D-16 only shows selling or distributing cigarettes, > I cannot agree at all. > > D-16 is a chart at the mental level - the level of consciousness. It > shows the sense of comfort, happiness, sadness and pleasure that the > mind experiences in various matters. > > If one smokes cigarettes, it may give one's mind a sense of pleasure > or happiness, albeit tamasik. That is clearly a D-16 thing. > > Of course, there must be links with D-30 too, as it is a weakness, > but D-16 MUST show it too. Please look at the D-16 of some smokers. > > Luxury is only one aspect of D-16. D-16 really is the chart of > mental happiness and sadness, satisfaction and dissatisfaction, > pleasure and pain. It is the chart that shows the direction of the > mind (manah gati). No wonder Parasara specially mentioned the > importance of D-60 and D-16 after mentioning the uses of all > divisions. > > Regarding the amsas occupied by planets, I humbly suggest that more > research is needed. Looking at which amsa contains " many planets " as > Partha said is too simplisitc. The 4th lord being in Shiva's > shodasamsa, for example, is not the same as the 12th lord being in > Shiva's shodasamsa or the 8th lord being in Shiva's shodasamsa. > Especially, amsas occupied by various karakas of the division, I > find, are crucial. > > We have to be able to understand the significance of the amsa > occupied by each planet (each house lord and each karaka). This > statement holds for all divisions and not just for shodasamsa. > > I will be off the list for a while again. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > Dear Partha, > > The Mahadeva or Shiva-Shodasamsa shows a destructive attitude > towards > > luxuries. You learnt this in Hyderabad 2002. Such people will once > > they have attained a luxury, start complaining about how they > would > > be better off without the same luxury, and keep talking of > > replacements and etc. In a sense you could infer that this was a > > renunciate attitude, but it lasts until they have renounced tehe > > luxury in favor for a new one... which they again will complain > about. > > > > Smoking is a weakness, but the acquiring of cigarettes is a > luxury. A > > person who sells/distributes cigarettes, may be visible from the D- > > 16. The weakness leading to smoking is seen from the D-30 chart. > > Hope this helps. > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > varahamihira , " pvr108 " <pvr@c...> wrote: > > > Pranaams Partha and Sanajay, > > > > > > Is this how we should use the amsas, i.e. look at which amsa > > > contains " many planets " and pronounce the result? Is it a matter > of > > > simple democracy between all planets? > > > > > > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati had only one planet in Shiva's > > > shodasamsa. Should we say that he did not have an attitude > towards > > > renunciation because there were not " many planets " in Shiva's > amsa? > > > > > > Shouldn't the result of a planet being in Shiva's amsa or > Vishnu's > > > amsa etc depend on whether the planet is benefic or malefic, > what > > > houses it owns and what houses it occupies? > > > > > > Will Jupiter in Shiva's amsa protecting Moon give the same > result > > as > > > Rahu in Shiva's amsa afflicting Moon? > > > > > > All these are very fundamental issues that apply to other > > divisional > > > charts too. > > > > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > Good points. > > > > But this is from an old mail of Pt.Rath(From my memory > ofcourse, > > i > > > > dont store archives on my desktop), that Chaitanya had many > > > planets > > > > in Shiva Shodasamsa, showing an attitude of renunciation > towards > > > > Sukha. > > > > He has Jupiter afflicted by Rahu/ketu-if you can call it as an > > > > afflcition . Shodasamsa can show many things, that we cannot > > > > otherwise understand. > > > > In Swami Vivekanada's chart, there are five planets in 7th > house > > > in d- > > > > 16, viz saturn-venus-mars-rahu-ketu. What does it indicate. > > > > > > > > Jupiter is in 6th house in Shiva, and Moon is in 9th house in > > > shiva > > > > amsa, what can it indicate. > > > > Moon's affliction can be seen in rasi, dreshkana, bhamsa, > > > trimsamsa > > > > to see the kind of weaknesses such as smoking etc. Why > Shodasamsa? > > > > best wishes > > > > partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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