Human Birth - and the number of rebirths: Closing it out

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Hari OM

 

Namaste Robert, Narasimha & Chandrasekhara,

 

Thank you for taking thr time to answer...one has to keep an open

mind yet filter out that which is not supported by the shastras.

 

Once Bhagavat Chetana is realized, we can then look back and count

the number of bodies along the way.

 

Regards,

Frank in San Diego

 

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Robert A. Koch " <rk@r...>

wrote:

> Dear Narasimha, Chandrasekhara, and Frank,

>

> I saw the thread on human births, and I agree that the statement

to the

> effect that the Atma takes only 9 human births -- 4 male, 4

female, and 1

> eunuch --- is indeed absurd. Consider the following shloka from

the

> Bhagavad-gita (7.19):

> bahunam janmanam ante

> jnanavan mam prapadyate

> vasudevah sarvam iti

> sa mahatma su-durlabhah

>

> " After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge

surrenders

> unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is.

Such a

> great soul is very rare. "

>

> So, presumably one surrenders to Vasudeva (Vishnu/Krishna) after

many, many

> births as a " Jnani " , or one who studies the Vedas to understand

the Supreme

> Truth. Just think of how many thousands, perhaps millions of

human births

> one has to take to come to the point of learning Vedic scripture,

what then

> to speak of becoming God-realized! So the idea that there are

only 9 human

> births is ridiculous, and, as Narasimha said, has no basis

whatsoever.

>

> Best wishes,

> Robert

>

> At 10:53 PM 3/21/04 +0000, you wrote:

> >Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

> >

> >I am not " more learned in shastras " , but my personal view is that

> >this assertion is baseless.

> >

> >I cannot imagine that whatever knowledge and wisdom I have was

> >developed by me in 8 or less previous births as a human being.

> >Similarly, I cannot imagine that I will be ready to not come back

as

> >a human being in another 8 or less births. I am very sure based on

> >my current level of evolution as a human being that I had many

many

> >births as a human beings. I am also sure that I will have many

more

> >before I do not need to be born as a human being again.

> >

> >This must be Mr. Subhakaran's own theory and it does not sound

right.

> >

> >May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> >Narasimha

> >

> > > Dear Frank,

> > > I ,too a wondering from where the author has said what has been

> >quoted

> > > by you. If this is to be accepted then the whole basis of

jyotish

> >would

> > > go haywire, since the implication would be that one's karma of

> >past life

> > > would not influence whether rebirth takes place or not. Perhaps

> >those

> > > more learned in shashtras would like to comment on this.

> > > My personal opinion is that there could not be any basis for

the

> > > statement. Had that been so 1/9th of world population would be

> >eunuchs,

> > > applying simple parameters.

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > fls999999999 wrote:

> > >

> > > > Mangalam Bhagawaan Vishnu

> > > > Mangalam Garuda Dhwaja

> > > > Mangalam Pundari Kaaksha

> > > > Mangalaaya Tanno Hari

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > > I have been reading a book by K.T. Shubhakaran on Nakshatras.

> > > > In his prolog he discusses the birth of humans and something

I

> >have

> > > > not read in any other lititure to date.

> > > > He mentions that human is reborn 9 times. Out of the 9 re-

> >births

> > > > 4 are male, 4 Female, and 1 is eunuch.

> > > > He does not give any footnote on where this data comes from

e.g.

> > > > Puranas,Shruti, etc.

> > > > Has anyone have information here? and if we an " see " what the

> >last

> > > > birth or next birth will be in terms of male, female, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Pranams,

> > > > Frank in San Diego

>

>

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