Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

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Dear Prabhakar,

 

Point a is obvious, as charakaraka's are used with sign placement, houses

etc., and total zodiac longitude doesn't play a role in their

determination.

 

>b) When we consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules, we

>consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules for two or more planets

>with the same Degree.

 

I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at exactly

the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go for chara

karaka replacement, otherwise not.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotishi

http://www.radhadesh.com

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Dear Dhira krishna,

In that case the planets would be in Graha yuddha is it not? And who

would be the primary Atmakaraka needing to be replaced?

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

 

> Dear Prabhakar,

>

> Point a is obvious, as charakaraka's are used with sign placement, houses

> etc., and total zodiac longitude doesn't play a role in their

> determination.

>

> >b) When we consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules, we

> >consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules for two or more planets

> >with the same Degree.

>

> I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at exactly

> the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go for chara

> karaka replacement, otherwise not.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

> ------

> *

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|| Om Gurave Namah || Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

 

Namaste,

 

For Graha-yudha, the planets have to be in the same Rasi - but not so for Karaka replacement.

 

With best regards,

 

Shailesh

 

 

scchadha; scc

 

 

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varahamihira

Tuesday, March 30, 2004 00:59:37

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

Dear Dhira krishna,In that case the planets would be in Graha yuddha is it not? And who would be the primary Atmakaraka needing to be replaced?Regards,Chandrashekhar.Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:> Dear Prabhakar,>> Point a is obvious, as charakaraka's are used with sign placement, houses> etc., and total zodiac longitude doesn't play a role in their> determination.>> >b) When we consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules, we> >consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules for two or more planets> >with the same Degree.>> I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at exactly> the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go for chara> karaka replacement, otherwise not.>> Yours,> Dhira Krsna dasa,> Jyotishi> http://www.radhadesh.com>>> |Om Tat Sat|> http://www.varahamihira>>> ------> *

[Guest guest]

Dear Shailesh,

Perhaps I should have been more explicit.I was talking of a condition

where the two are in same Rasi. Even then they would get the status of

Atmakaraka is it not? Again when the two are in identical degrees

minutes, seconds and even milliseconds, how one decide which is the

primary Chara karaka? I do not think the sages have given any importance

to sign occupied for weighing the Atmakaraka position.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Shailesh C Chadha wrote:

 

> *|| Om Gurave Namah || Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || *

>

>

> Namaste,

>

> For Graha-yudha, the planets have to be in the same Rasi - but not so

> for Karaka replacement.

>

> With best regards,

>

> */Shailesh/*

> *//*

> */scchadha <scchadha; scc

> <scc/*

> */ /*

> */ /*

> /----/

>

> /**/ varahamihira

> <varahamihira >

> /*Date:*/ Tuesday, March 30, 2004 00:59:37

> /*To:*/ varahamihira <varahamihira >

> /*Subject:*/ Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

>

> Dear Dhira krishna,

> In that case the planets would be in Graha yuddha is it not? And who

> would be the primary Atmakaraka needing to be replaced?

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

>

> > Dear Prabhakar,

> >

> > Point a is obvious, as charakaraka's are used with sign placement,

> houses

> > etc., and total zodiac longitude doesn't play a role in their

> > determination.

> >

> > >b) When we consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules, we

> > >consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules for two or more planets

> > >with the same Degree.

> >

> > I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at exactly

> > the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go for

> chara

> > karaka replacement, otherwise not.

> >

> > Yours,

> > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > Jyotishi

> > http://www.radhadesh.com

> >

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> >

> > ------

> > *

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|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

 

 

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

 

Yes, I agree that you should have qualified your statement.

 

Because, Dhira Krishna ji's statement was more general; he mentioned "I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at exactly the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go for chara karaka replacement, otherwise not."

 

In such a case, if the two planets happen to be in same Rasi "as well", then the GRAHA YUDHA may occur, DEPENDING UPON THE PLANETS INVOLVED.

 

But again, let us not forget that - for a graha-yudha to occur - the two planets need not be on identical degree/ minutes/ seconds, etc.

 

On the other hand, as per the conditions described by Dhira Krishna ji, it will be a case of CO-KARAKAS.

 

If my understanding of the Karaka scheme is correct, both the plantes will jointly operate as CHARA-KARAKA and the next slot will fall vacant, which will be filled by the relevant NAISARGIK KARAKA. This is applicable for all chara-karakas, including the Atma Karaka.

 

With best regards,

 

 

 

 

Shailesh

 

 

scchadha; scc

 

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"Chandrashekhar" <boxdel

<varahamihira >

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:46 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

> Dear Shailesh,> Perhaps I should have been more explicit.I was talking of a condition > where the two are in same Rasi. Even then they would get the status of > Atmakaraka is it not? Again when the two are in identical degrees > minutes, seconds and even milliseconds, how one decide which is the > primary Chara karaka? I do not think the sages have given any importance > to sign occupied for weighing the Atmakaraka position.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Shailesh C Chadha wrote:> > > *|| Om Gurave Namah || Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || * > > > > > > Namaste,> > > > For Graha-yudha, the planets have to be in the same Rasi - but not so > > for Karaka replacement.> > > > With best regards,> > > > */Shailesh/*> > *//*> > */scchadha <scchadha; scc > > <scc/*> > */ /*> > */ /*> > /----/> > > > /**/ varahamihira > > <varahamihira >> > /*Date:*/ Tuesday, March 30, 2004 00:59:37> > /*To:*/ varahamihira <varahamihira >> > /*Subject:*/ Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts> > > > Dear Dhira krishna,> > In that case the planets would be in Graha yuddha is it not? And who> > would be the primary Atmakaraka needing to be replaced?> > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:> >> > > Dear Prabhakar,> > >> > > Point a is obvious, as charakaraka's are used with sign placement, > > houses> > > etc., and total zodiac longitude doesn't play a role in their> > > determination.> > >> > > >b) When we consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules, we> > > >consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules for two or more planets> > > >with the same Degree.> > >> > > I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at exactly> > > the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go for > > chara> > > karaka replacement, otherwise not.> > >> > > Yours,> > > Dhira Krsna dasa,> > > Jyotishi> > > http://www.radhadesh.com> > >> > >> > > |Om Tat Sat|> > > http://www.varahamihira> > >> > >> > > ------> > > *

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Shailesh,

 

Charakaraka replacement involves sthira karaka and not naisargika

karaka.

 

regards

Hari

 

varahamihira , " Shailesh " <scc@s...> wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

>

>

>

>

> > If my understanding of the Karaka scheme is correct, both the

plantes will jointly operate as CHARA-KARAKA and the next slot will

fall vacant, which will be filled by the relevant NAISARGIK KARAKA.

This is applicable for all chara-karakas, including the Atma Karaka.

>

>

>

> With best regards,

>

>

>

>

>

> Shailesh

> scchadha@h...; scc@s...

[Guest guest]

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

>

> Point a is obvious, as charakaraka's are used with sign placement,

houses

> etc., and total zodiac longitude doesn't play a role in their

> determination.

 

Why is sign placement important in the determination of charakarakas

and yet we are asked to determine the charakarakas independent of

the sign they are placed in?!! I can understand it if we are trying

to map the charakaraka to a particular house (from lagna) and relate

them to the people who will play some role in our lives.

 

 

> I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at

exactly

> the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go

for chara

> karaka replacement, otherwise not.

 

It would never end here, would it? We could go right upto the

femtosecond level and still be not sure if there is a charakaraka

replacement issue! Why degrees as the primary criteria?

 

regards

Hari

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Hari,

 

Chara Karaka replacement initially involves only chara karakas, however, in some cases the lower level karaka slot falls vacant and the Sthira Karaka replaces it.

For example, if the slot of Darakaraka falls vacant the strength of Venus is checked as Venus will now represent the spouse. If venus is weak, the charakaraka replacement could reduce the longevity of the spouse.This is seen in cases where there are more than one replacement.

 

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsanonlyhari <onlyhari wrote:

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Shailesh,Charakaraka replacement involves sthira karaka and not naisargika karaka.regardsHarivarahamihira , "Shailesh" <scc@s...> wrote:> || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||> > > > > > If my understanding of the Karaka scheme is correct, both the plantes will jointly operate as CHARA-KARAKA and the next slot will fall vacant, which will be filled by the relevant NAISARGIK KARAKA. This is applicable for all chara-karakas, including the Atma Karaka. > > > > With best regards,> > > > > > Shailesh > scchadha@h...; scc@s...|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

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Dear Shailesh,

Yes I agree with your contention. However the point remains as to which

Atmakaraka will be the primary one if one takes coinciding of Degrees,

Minutes up to milliseconds, and which will be the one to cause

replacement, as suggested by Dhira Krishna. I tend to go with your logic

that they merge and the slot left vacant would be occupied by Naisargika

Karaka. However there could be no replacement.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Shailesh wrote:

 

> *|| **Om** Gurave Namah :: **Om** Namo Naaraayanaaya ||*

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

>

>

>

> Yes, I agree that you should have qualified your statement.

>

>

>

> Because, Dhira Krishna ji's statement was more general; he mentioned

> " I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at

> exactly the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I

> go for chara karaka replacement, otherwise not. "

>

>

>

> In such a case, if the two planets happen to be in same Rasi * " as

> well* " , then the GRAHA YUDHA may occur, DEPENDING UPON THE PLANETS

> INVOLVED.

>

>

>

> But again, let us not forget that - for a graha-yudha to occur - the

> two planets need not be on identical degree/ minutes/ seconds, etc.

>

>

>

> On the other hand, as per the conditions described by Dhira Krishna

> ji, it will be a case of CO-KARAKAS.

>

>

>

> If my understanding of the Karaka scheme is correct, both the plantes

> will jointly operate as CHARA-KARAKA and the next slot will fall

> vacant, which will be filled by the relevant NAISARGIK KARAKA. This is

> applicable for all chara-karakas, including the Atma Karaka.

>

>

>

> With best regards,

>

>

>

>

>

> /Shailesh /

> */scchadha/* <scchadha*/;

> /**/scc/* <scc

>

> -

> " Chandrashekhar " <boxdel <boxdel>

> <varahamihira <varahamihira >>

> Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:46 AM

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

>

> > Dear Shailesh,

> > Perhaps I should have been more explicit.I was talking of a condition

> > where the two are in same Rasi. Even then they would get the status of

> > Atmakaraka is it not? Again when the two are in identical degrees

> > minutes, seconds and even milliseconds, how one decide which is the

> > primary Chara karaka? I do not think the sages have given any

> importance

> > to sign occupied for weighing the Atmakaraka position.

> > Regards,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Shailesh C Chadha wrote:

> >

> > > *|| Om Gurave Namah || Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || *

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > For Graha-yudha, the planets have to be in the same Rasi - but not so

> > > for Karaka replacement.

> > >

> > > With best regards,

> > >

> > > */Shailesh/*

> > > *//*

> > > */scchadha <*/scchadha

> <scchadha; scc <scc

> > > <scc/ <scc%3E/>*

> > > */ /*

> > > */ /*

> > > /----/

> > >

> > > /**/ varahamihira

> <varahamihira >

> > > <varahamihira >

> > > /*Date:*/ Tuesday, March 30, 2004 00:59:37

> > > /*To:*/ varahamihira

> <varahamihira >

> <varahamihira >

> > > /*Subject:*/ Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic

> doubts

> > >

> > > Dear Dhira krishna,

> > > In that case the planets would be in Graha yuddha is it not? And who

> > > would be the primary Atmakaraka needing to be replaced?

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Dhira Krsna BCS wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Prabhakar,

> > > >

> > > > Point a is obvious, as charakaraka's are used with sign placement,

> > > houses

> > > > etc., and total zodiac longitude doesn't play a role in their

> > > > determination.

> > > >

> > > > >b) When we consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules, we

> > > > >consider the Charakaraka Replacement rules for two or more planets

> > > > >with the same Degree.

> > > >

> > > > I use degrees, minutes and seconds. If two planets are really at

> exactly

> > > > the same degrees, minutes, seconds, even milliseconds, then I go

> for

> > > chara

> > > > karaka replacement, otherwise not.

> > > >

> > > > Yours,

> > > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > > Jyotishi

> > > > http://www.radhadesh.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > |Om Tat Sat|

> > > > http://www.varahamihira

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> ------

> > > > *

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|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

 

Dear Hari,

 

Thanks for correcting me. Sanjay ji's commentory in JUPS mentions " natural " ,

so I took it as " naisargika " .

 

But you are right - the Parasara in original saya " sthirakaraka " .

 

Regards,

 

Shailesh

 

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" onlyhari " <onlyhari

<varahamihira >

Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:08 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

 

 

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Shailesh,

>

> Charakaraka replacement involves sthira karaka and not naisargika

> karaka.

>

> regards

> Hari

>

> varahamihira , " Shailesh " <scc@s...> wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > If my understanding of the Karaka scheme is correct, both the

> plantes will jointly operate as CHARA-KARAKA and the next slot will

> fall vacant, which will be filled by the relevant NAISARGIK KARAKA.

> This is applicable for all chara-karakas, including the Atma Karaka.

> >

> >

> >

> > With best regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Shailesh

> > scchadha@h...; scc@s...

>

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>